The initial word is that WUSP2 will validate the OS hardware hash to the "Last Activated" hardware hash...no match...you get deactivated. Also as long as IE7 stays beta which will be tennatively included in the new WU the status must stay BETA.

What happened? Somebody manage to update with a cracked Windows key? ;o)

Hahahaha

WHY THE SECRECY ? WHY A BETA RELEASE ? IS MICROSOFT SO UNSURE OF THEIR PRODUCTS THAT NOT ONLY DO THEY FEEL CONSTRAINED TO RELEASE A BETA VERSION, BUT, LATER WE MUST DEAL WITH VARIOUS SERVICE PACKS? WE ARE NOT SPEAKING OF A FLEDGING START-UP COMPANY, BUT A MATURE, FORTUNE 500, CONGLOMERATE .WHAT IS THEIR AGENDA ? TO INVADE CHINA AND STOP PIRATED COPIES OF VISTA ? SHOULD THE CIA INVESTIGATE, BEFORE YOU ARE CONFRONTED WITH A 9/11 VERSION OF COMPUTER TERRORISM ? YOU AMERICANS ARE SO GULLIBLE.

W....
T....
F....??

I just thought you were anti-american when it came to the music industry...now I understand it greatly transcends such limits. You are wholly and completely fanatic about it.

And as all fanatics should be duly ignored...

+++ATH
[NO CARRIER]

Excellent use of caps.

Edit: Bonus for 80's-ish Hayes command set usage

^H^H^H8.5

9.5

80's.

Still gotta be my favorite decade...

*sigh*

You need to stop shouting and say something sensible.

No I'm not American either.

BETA releases serve everyone. Microsoft can use the wealth of knowledge and experience of people who DON'T work for them and the consumer gets a decent product at the end of it.

If you're a wearing a penguin T-s***, don't bother replying, as that argument has been done millions of times before.

heh, I'm thinking about re-writing my betanews comment checker in .NET.

Maybe I'll do that this week.

Oh! gimmie, gimmie.

:P

Seriously, throw it up on some file-server somewhere and post it.

I'll just put it in the file forum like I did the old one I wrote a few years ago.

I posted my new handy dandy wallpaper changer in the fileforum that I cooked up in VB .NET which hopefully will post soon.

Old one still in there?

Whats up with the Caps moron?
You kill me MS is damned if they do, damned if they don't.

Why test you say? If you have to ask you don't deserve an answer WOW!

Yeah, dunno if it works anymore. Look for betanews comment grabber, it was for Linux / Unix though.

You see that button on your keyboard that says "Caps Lock"? Yeah, press it. It'll make you seem like less of a loser.

LMAO....

Stories in the screenshot are *very* telling...

"New York Celebrates XP"
"Photo Gallery: XP Launch Event"

Wow...

Yeah, get a new one up for windows, man. You got one +5 rating in the bag already.

;)

You sir, are an agenda-consumed fanatical moron.

(This comment will get a negative score in 3... 2...)

You don't have money to pay for Windows? Is that what this is all about? You're about to be locked out of the site?

Hmm... am I the only one who always sees 0 for everyone's score?

But you're right, this guy is a trolling idiot.

Better an Italian moron than an ugly American. And I believed you were the only american (read citizen of the U.S.A ) with a sense of humour. Obviously you are another anal retentive american .

va' fanculo stronzo di un americano

what are you a canadian ? you servile running dog of the americans

Don't turn this around on me, bigot.

You're the one declaring war on the U.S. on every story that has NOTHING to do with international relations.

Take your political debate elsewhere. It doesn't belong here.

"Please keep your responses appropriate and on topic."

bigot? another term i do not understand coming from a country that eradicated their indians and blacks , so don't preach. insofar as my remarks on beta news .they won't stop,unless i am forced top do so. I will continue to read this website and continue to post my opinions.Don't like it ? Screw off

And maybe one day when you grow up you will have a clue I did not realize Italy had such stupid people, but you proved us wrong!

big·ot
n.

One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.

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I didn't say stop commenting. I said "Take your political debate elsewhere." If you actually have something to contribute, by all means, I think you should comment, but I haven't seen that happen yet...

Good idea. You realize you can't logically prove your point, so you resort to name-calling.

Yeah, that'll work.

"coming from a country that eradicated their indians and blacks"

Really? France eradicated their indians and blacks?

We got that lovely word from the french, thankyouverymuch.

As far as preaching, since I, nor wincement I would hazard to guess, had anything to do with the above mentioned atrocities, using that as an argument is absurd. You mention it, I assume, only to engender an emotional response from others. A common crutch for those unable to respond intelligently. (Or civilly)

Feel free to comment. It's always nice to hear other points of view...even from those lacking in basic reasoning skills.

I however, will not be reading them.

How To Piss People Off:

1. Use all caps
2. USE ALL CAPS

This is not a chat room. Using caps on is acceptable in 2005, it was not in 1985. Welcome to the twenty first century. Insofar as being a bigot, according to wincement, at least my comments have elicited some response, which is more than i can say regarding some of the puerile inanities voiced by some of the readers of betanews. my anti- microsoft opinions are personal.they stem from a dislike of american conglomerates. every european feels deeply this resentment. anyhow this will be my last comment on this site.but i will continue to read itsince it is an invaluable source of information and it does improve my english skills.

"every european feels deeply this resentment."

No. I know a lot of Europeans that can be sensible. Don't try to speak for your entire continent. I don't pretend to speak for all of America, the U.S., or even Florida for that matter.

"every european feels deeply this resentment."

Don't speak for other people--you haven't met every single European, nor do you know everyone's opinion.

EDIT: Oops, didn't read wincement's comment :)

hahaha... I find it funny that we both used the *exact* same quote.

Oh, yeah! We DO have money to pay for Windows .... We just don't want to .... LOL

... Nor do we need to ;) ....

"Bashato me culo."

And the Rome based Catholic Churh is responsiblr for the Crusades and the Spanish Inquisition. That is called mass murder directed from ITALY...

"Using caps on is acceptable in 2005"

Only in your private little world. Learn some social skills and come back later.

Well, looks like we have a new troll. Maybe he'll even say something clever somewhere along the way. Of course, since he can't seem to put words together into sentences, we may never know.

troll

The Crusades were started by the Muslims, not the Catholic Church. However, the Church was not just a bystander.

http://update.microsoft....6/default.aspx?ln=en-us

I wonder if MS will make it a public beta like WU 5.

How about "install downloaded updates and restart"? How about telling you BEFORE installing if the update would require a reboot? How about it NEVER auto-rebooting on you at 3am by default when you have important programs opened up? How about it TELLING YOU what programs (browser? OE?) you can close prior to installation so it WON'T REQUIRE reboot? Huh? ;)

How about not being stupid enough to leave important apps running overnight or rescheduling auto-updates for a better time?

Leaving an application open without saving data before leaving is a bad idea without WU even. What about a posible brownout? I personally have had problems with night cleaning crews blowing breakers or pluging vacumn cleaners into the wrong outlet surging out a few computers in the process.

As for the requiring a reboot, it does sugest that you close any open applications before running it, so if you have something open that its trying to update, thats on you.

Also, it wouldn't be too hard for you to actually configure this to match what you want instead of leaving the defaults set. When you first install XP or 2003 it asks you, and also on the first visit to the website it gives you the options to set this up.

This is not for me - this is a request for the masses. I've personally seen multiple people getting hurt by MS's default (or recommended) setting of auto-install at 3am.

I'm informed enough to know NOT to allow Updates to be automatically installed - but rather only automatically downloaded. I still think it is inappropriate for Windows to restart a computer forcefully regardless of your settings. The fact that a harddrive can DIE any SECOND does not mean I can allow MS to format my drive at random times, now does it? Similarly, even if something is a bad idea (leaving windows open in middle of something) it doesn't mean you have to "stick it" to the users who do it. Some may actually have APCs and had to run in a hurry - who knows.

"I still think it is inappropriate for Windows to restart a computer forcefully regardless of your settings."

I still think it is inappropriate for users to be left with the responsibility to patch their own computers. You know they don't do it.

Problems with computers shutting off in the middle?

That's what UPSs were made for, don't change your patch settings instead spend $30 on a UPS.

There are many good reasons why someone may leave a program running in the middle of the night. I can think of a few off the top of my head, such as video conversion that runs all night, maybe data processing that you don't want to run while users are on the system, Nightly backup's that you don't want interupted. As stated, this is for those people that don't know enough to change the default settings.

Mmm....Opera and Firefox compatibility?

One can dream. =p

it works perfectly with firefox + the 'ie tab' extension :))

ietab.mozdev.org

I am dreaming :P

Through, it's possible through netscape compatible plugins (Opera and Firefox can use them :P)

Should I have explicitly stated I wanted support *within* windows update for Firefox and Opera?

Really? I didn't know that. Got any links you want to share? =)

http://windizupdate.com/

Windows Update for Non MSIE Browsers.

Cuhraaaazy.

Did a scan, no new updates =(

I wish I had some updates to install now lol.

Thanks for the link.

Does anyone know if the MS is going to start including SQL 2000 & 2005 updates on this site?

probably not. Those are updated via MSDN, if they start including a bunch of applications it would overload the update site. Its not meant for every MS app, just the everyday apps. SQL is a programming tool and not a highly used product by the general populace.

Okay...

SQL Server is database software that is used by about 80% of the all companies in the world. It's not a programming tool. Anyways, MS originally said that SQL would be included on the Microsoft update site, but didn't release it with the beta or when they went live. All that is working right now is Windows, Office and Exchange server as far as I can tell. Anyone else have a clue?

Dude, I know what SQL is. Its a PROGRAMMING tool. ITs an IT function. Its a backend server, I am a SQL / Access Admin, I know what it is, I don't need a lesson in what YOU think it should be called. Its for programmers, and its utilized to perform functions that support programs, its a backend tool.

And its difficult to include a tool that requires updates, when going from SP3 to SP4 in SQL 2000 could affect hundreds and thousands of apps. An automatic update could conceivable break other applications that require interaction with SQL desktop and server, so I highly doubt MS would automatically provide such an update for a tool that could be easily crippled.

That would become a serious issue for those 80% users worldwide, if all of a sudden the consultants started running a different version of the database than what was originally deployed. It happened to our company and several of our clients already, because people upgraded to the new SP, beyond what was intended.

And why is SQL included with a developers platform and even by MS definition "Close integration with Microsoft Visual Studio, the Microsoft Office System, and a suite of new development tools, including the Business Intelligence Development Studio, sets SQL Server 2005 apart" its part of a developers suite.

Developers / Programmers, they are similar terms.

SQL Server is a database platform. Visual Studio is a programming tool.

Updating to the latest SQL service pack and patch level is critical in the prevention of worms like SQL Slammer. That's what the dev stage prod model was developed for, 0-day patch dev & stage then when tested, patch production.

It's irresponsible to not patch SQL Server just as it would be to not patch Windows.

Just because Visual Studio integrates with SQL server, that doesn't make SQL server a development tool.

Calling SQL a programming tool, while not entirely inaccurate, sounds pretty odd (yeah I'm an MS SQL DBA, got certified about 4 years ago...)

Microsoft has been offering SQL Server updates on Microsoft Update (which is what this article is about, not Windows Update, lest there be any confusion) for approx 6 or 8 months now, not including the beta period...

http://www.microsoft.com...evaluation/compare.mspx

Yes, originally they said they wanted to offer updates for all their applications.

You are incorrect.

Dude, apparently, you DO need a lesson, because you're posting nonsense.

SQL is a database server application. It serves no other purpose than storing data until adeveloper programming tool such as Visual Studio or Web Development tool is used to manipulate that data.

Furthermore, it is not at all difficult to include sp's via updates... after all Service Pack 1 for Server 2003 and Service Pack 2 for XP are provided.

I think rijp's right. SQL Server 2000 SP4 cannot be automated because of the additional checks it does. If you have a null password it won't install without switches. There's no way to push that out and have a validated SP4 install where the password isn't null: it REQUIRES user input.

Perhaps SQL 2005 will allow this, as it also by default requires a certain level of security to be installed, but it's fragile: You don't roll out SP's to databases automatically like you might an OS or application. It's far too risky to data loss.

Goodness, this is old news,

I have updated SQL Server with Microsoft Update myself:

If you look at this site you'll notice that this is a feature of Microsoft Update and has been for about 6 months!

"Microsoft Update"

"Windows 2000+, Exchange 2000+, SQL Server 2000+, Office XP+ with expanding support
"

http://www.microsoft.com...evaluation/compare.mspx

We don't need to speculate anymore. This was announced a long time ago, ran through the beta process, officially noted on Microsoft's website, and used by me, myself and I.

SQL itself is a programing language, used to control MySQL, MSSQL, or other SQL servers.

yes, SQL itself is a programming language. TSQL specifically when used against MS SQL Server.

Most MySQL apps aren't broken during an upgrade, so I dunno why MSSQL would be.

They don't unless you are using null passwords, I believe that was changed at least for SA in a service pack which would have broken badly written applications..

I don't recall if that was SQL 7 or SQL 2000 though, it's been a long time.

Really...all three of you? Simultaneously, or in succession?

Did it hurt?

SQL is designed for a specific, limited purpose — querying data contained in a relational database. As such, it is a set-based, declarative computer language rather than an imperative language such as C or BASIC which, being programming languages, are designed to solve a much broader set of problems. Language extensions such as PL/SQL are designed to address this by turning SQL into a full-fledged programming language while maintaining the advantages of SQL. Another approach is to allow programming language code to be embedded in and interact with the database. For example, Oracle and others include Java in the database, while PostgreSQL allows functions to be written in a wide variety of languages, including Perl, Tcl, and C.

One joke about SQL is that "SQL is neither structured, nor is it limited to queries, nor is it a language." This is founded on the notion that pure SQL is not a classic programming language since it is not Turing-complete. On the other hand, however, it is a programming language because it has a grammar, syntax, and programmatic purpose and intent. The joke recalls Voltaire's remark that the Holy Roman Empire was "neither holy, nor Roman, nor an empire."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sql

simultaneously of course, I only use tri-core AMD 96-bit CPU's

;-)

But did it *hurt*?

If it didn't, you didn't do it right.

Theres a tool involved here, but not SQL....

Anyways, since I can write a document in Word to go along with my application i wrote, is it a programming tool also? What about notepad, since I wrote HTML code in it?

Also, many applications will start coming with SQL2k5 lite, and Dell and other companies ship machines with it installed to monitor configuration and other stuff, so having it on WU would be a good idea. SQL2k5 just reciently went RTM so it may be a while before we see the fixes show up on it, but Exchange 2k3 already has them on the site.

Since the syntax of TSQL is not changing from a minor revision, unless it is to fix a security hole, this shouldn't be an issue. Anyways, in a corporate environment there should be other ways then letting the servers go to the site and update themselves. SMS or WSUS are just two examples of this.

Perhaps he did the initial procedure right thereby circumventing future pain! :)

"Dude, I know what SQL is. Its a PROGRAMMING tool."

Is it not a DATABASE tool?

Uh-oh...put your foot in your mouth again.