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Wow. Someone throw this in a social-studies book. I'd love to hear some lively debate about how a article concerning SP3 and Vista deteriorated into a flamewar between France and the USA.

We need more mods. Seriously. This is ridiculous. Some poor sucker is gonna click this link looking for goodies on SP3 and be treated to racial epithets and vulgarity that'd make RockStar developers blush.

It bears repeating:

We need more mods.

Bullsh*t Harvard-speak. Take a gander at MS's dispicable actions in the past and their financial worth as a whole at this moment in time. Triple digit billions. Triple digit. *Triple*. Once one can grasp this, they will understand that it negates and makes little more then useless everything you've just mentioned. No offense to you of course.

These "golden-rules" or large projects don't apply to MS, or rather they don't HAVE to. MS is a company that is constantly liquidating their assets in the name of more golden eggs. Only difference with MS is that once they don't find any golden eggs after killing their goose, they steal eggs from other peoples gooses.

Why would you wait until after release of the new operating system to send out the fixes to the current operating system? We all know the answer. If you truly fix the current system to the best of your ability fewer,if any, people will feel the need to spend big dollars on the new system. It's not about doing what is right and ethical. It's all about profit. "

This is one of the most myopic replies I've seen in recent memory. Even more so, it's amusing for its obvious "rah rah fight the power" schtick.

It's blatantly obvious that you've never worked on a large project, let alone a large software project.

Let me spell it out for you:

In order to get a huge project out the door, you set a stake in the ground in terms of deliverables and meet it as best you can. Some things will be lapsed in the interests of getting the project finished on schedule and under budget. Usually (as in this case), the project will meet the vast majority of the established goals and achieve the requisite high quality level. Furthermore, if *another* large project is also underway, resources may be reallocated to that one, resulting in a re-prioritization of deliverables.

What you're seeing here is the result of such a process in action and ALL large initiatives undergo this.

I do hope this educates you.

Errr WinFX?? Don't you mean WinFS?

No. He means WinFX:

http://msdn.microsoft.com/winfx/

Hmmm he DOES mean WinFX. lol

Why would you wait until after release of the new operating system to send out the fixes to the current operating system? We all know the answer. If you truly fix the current system to the best of your ability fewer,if any, people will feel the need to spend big dollars on the new system. It's not about doing what is right and ethical. It's all about profit.

Apple is a hardware company and won't shut down their Apple stores due to lack of sales by licensing their OS. Live with it.

I think the same people that sook over the fact windows has holes in it are the ones that sook again for there being fixes (service packs) for these holes.

grow up!!

Any fix is a good fix, period!

"Any fix is a good fix, period! "

Rubbish.

If a fix breaks functionality, saps performance or otherwise has deleterious effects, it is most definitely NOT a good fix. MS, like many another company, has had their share of these types of fixes.

XP can be nearly 100% secure without updates. Get A few free tools and your good to go... Avast Antivirus, Zone Alarm, MS Antispyware, Spybot S&D, Ad-aware. Why dosn't everyone use them? Because thats a hell of a lot of cpu! I have an athlon 64 3500+ and that severel cuts down on performance. Service Packs barely do anything. No matter how many holes are patched the user still has admin privilages so simply visiting a website can give you a virus. I personally am using Suse 9.3 and Like it very much. I havent had to do maintenance in over a month!

@ always being logged on as administrator:

Check out DropMyRights:
http://msdn.microsoft.co...html/secure11152004.asp

SP1 with the updates and works perfectly with norton system works 2005, webroot spy sweeper, msn toolbar and of course sygate personal firewall pro. oh and ad-aware. with all that, pc is still quite secure. dont see a reason to update sp2 or even sp3 to be honest. sp2 gave me some probs before. solution? add/remove programs and sorted out.
quite happy here although using suse 9.3 on another hard disk is also good, cant complain.
in case ya dont know, MS Antispyware beta1 is from the former GIANT AntiSpyware program, which to be honest, aint good... to use some low resources ones... although u might need to pay for some, however there are always nice and usefull freeware...

Yeah. I've never paid a cent for security software. There's more than enough freeware solutions if you know where to look, and they work great.

As for still only using SP1, not a good idea imo. That means you're vulnerable to a lot of known exploits. Security software can only do so much when there's exploits in your OS.

Ugh...

Windows XP has limited user accounts. Create one and use it.

Keep fast-user switching enabled and switch to the admin account when you need to do some admin functions.

As for installing programs, or playing games that require admin? Right-click and use the "RunAs" command (the Windows version of "su").

Problem solved. Sorry, Wincement, just cannot see using a 3rd party applet to do something Windows can already do better.

Rubbish. I use Avast! and Spybot. Zero CPU hit and that's on an Athlon XP 2600+. As to Linux, I'd rather not pay the tax:

- minimal driver support compared to Windows
- apps that are poor cousins compared to Windows apps (the "designed by geeks for geeks" schtick)
- no user friendliness / ease of use in comparison

And before you say "try it before you comment", my comments are based on the latest distros - they simply can't cut it in ConsumerLand.

This forum is better than primetime TV!
I get comedy, drama, action and history in just a matter of a few minutes of reading. I've had my fix so I'm going to bed.

and what the heck does any of these posts have to do with another update from microsoft? we can't even complain about microsoft for crying out loud. Another update from them is like saying 'oh look ford made a new truck' *yawn* incomprehensible, i swear.

SP3 TO BE FOLLOWED BY SP4 AND VISTA IS NOT ON THE SHELVES YET.HOW MANY SERVICE PACKS WILL BE NEEDED TO FIX THAT MONSTER.BUY APPLE.THEY DEVELOPED THE GUI. AND THEY ARE STABLE.INSOFAR AS THE FRENCH THEY GAVE US LOUSIANA FOR A PITTANCE. BETA NEWS MERELY REPORTS THE NEWS, IT DOES NOT EDITORIAZE. IF YOU DO NOT LIKE IT GO SOMEWHERE ELSE

Did you even read the post? What is it with the caps? Are you blind, stupid, or is your keyboard broken?

Wow, you must be a complete moron. EVERY software has regular updates, it doesn't mean its inferior. ITs called "progress". They include enhancements, bug fixes, and security holes, which MOSTLY comes from other software that integrates with Windows, which MS does not prohibit. Apple, on the other hand, does NOT allow open source code integrated with their OS, hence no Shareware programmers, hence no 3rd party apps written, hence, very little software written for the Apple (in comparison to Linux and Windows), thus VERY SMALL MARKET.

A SP is normal, if a company does NOT keep up with bugs and updates, then they will get run over by other companies. So don't go spouting that an SP is bad. As long as Shareware programmers are allowed to make changes to the OS, MS will have to keep making changes to the OS to keep up with the support.

Damned if they do, damned if they don't.

And its "editorialize". BTW, is your CAPS key broken? Or do you not understand how to use proper case and punctuation?

Idiot. Apple didn't invent the GUI - they STOLE it from Xerox.

DONT WRITE IN CAPITALS YOU NEANDERTHAL. MAYBY YOU WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THE LETTERS RED ASWELL, JUST TO TIC PPL OFF EVEN MORE.

Apple didn't develope the GUI. They ripped it off from Xerox Parc. As far as stability goes, Apple has a penchant for building overpriced trendy machiones that often have rather serious quirks in their design (the titanium notebook comes immediately to mind). let's just say that there's a reason they're niche and will remain that way.

Betanews also has an unnerving tendency these days to behave like the National Inquir..., er, The Regist..., er, Slashd... - all sites I have long since equated with Jerry Springer.

Wow, never seen so much xenophobia on BetaNews. Is this narrow-mindedness possibly related to the fact that less than 20% of Americans even have a passport?

Oh yeah.....

....and you're drunk.

Are you making this stat up? You are saying that 80% of America is made up of Foreigners.. I think you should check that. Maybe is you that is inbred. And what is with the Xenophobia? You are the one complaining, maybe you have a social phobia.

Actually, I reckon 80% is about 19% too low. THe only Americans who aren't foreigners are the native Indians. You DO know the history of your own country? Basically a load of god botherers were kicked out of England. They went over to America and proceeded to slaughter anyone who wasn't a christian in a good old Crusades stylee.

Ok stop. This is not cool. Where the hell are the mods?

"Basically a load of god botherers were kicked out of England. They went over to America and proceeded to slaughter anyone who wasn't a christian in a good old Crusades stylee."

Pretty accurate, albeit colorful decription. You forgot to add that it still continues today.

They only mod folks down who rip on BN for posting articles that have nothing to do with "beta".

*shrug*

No worries, mate. I'm still working on that post-filter script for greasemonkey. Shouldn't be too much longer.

"Foul language and personal attacks will not be tolerated."

What kind of website is this?

Where war-mongerey is tolerated and hate can be preached openly and publicly as long as nothing personal is involved.

SEE BELOW

war-mongerey?

Dude......it's a software website where people comment. REEEELAAAAAAAXX, in the grand scheme of things this doesn't matter at all.

Go eat some tree bark.

HAHAHAHA..!! Nice!

That's right. Freedom of speech at its best, buddy boy. If some unknown made up religious sect and burn books or decree they are the true followers or worship crazy objects from outer space, I think I can basically express whatever opinion I wish, as long as I don't physically threaten you.

If you don't read the article, say something stupid, or make up information that just flat isn't true, I will challenge you, whenever I see fit. You are free to recant. If you can't stand the heat, well, you can always feel free to watch some tv.

What is being lost in all of the below is the fact that they are going to release it AFTER Vista comes out, which it appears will not be until late 2006 or 2007.......so we will continue to get a patchwork of updates and fixes as they dribble out from Microspud until then. This is purely a marketing ploy to get people to buy the new OS, nothing more.

Ummm...You think?

(insert sarcasm)

I agree, bad business move Microsoft.

(close sarcasm)

Umm.. no. When 2000 came out, inevitably there were programs being written to support XP while it was still in beta. So those programs were optimized to take advantage of the new features. The new features cannot be backwards compatible in a product, UNLESS, it is patched. So XP is out now, Vista is in beta, and there is a new file system coming out.

So XP apps written now will be compatible with Vista, but they can't very well write a program for a product that isn't released yet. Therefore, a Patch is inevitable for XP so Vista Apps and code can be included and they don't drop XP people all together. Since 2000 is no longer officially supported by Microsoft, XP/2003 is their offical OS. Vista is the next stage of progression in the ever changing world of computing. 64-bit, new devices, better memory, so on and so forth.

So its not a ploy as you so inadequately put it, its strategy. They are giving us their plan. SP2 for XP is good. There will be NO major updates for XP, since Vista is on the horizon.

Lest you forget NT had SP6. 2000 had SP5. XP is still only at SP2. I think that speaks volumes for how good Microsoft has been to listen to the developers and with Vista, they will be releasing monthly updates, rather than quarterly, so they can get more frequent input.

Until then, hardware and software hasn't even been finalized for the 64-bit platform yet, even with XP 64-bit. That is simply a recompile to support the 64-bit environment, but its not optimized for it. How many 64-bit games have you seen? Yeah, none.

So yes we will continue to get updates. So quit whining about it. That's why there is "autoupdate".

Microsoft Better Not Break Windows Xp Like They Did With Sp2.

the whole point of SP2 was to make SP3 look like it actually fixed something

rofl

In fairness, SP2 didn't actually break XP...

...It just broke everything that runs on XP

Reminds me of NT4 where you could never trust a SP with an even number. SP2 was particularly bad.

To be fair, though. XP SP2 didn't cause me any grief. I'm pretty happy with XP except for wireless networking, which is still insanely frunstrating on a lot of machines. Oh, and Explorer. Explorer has been around for 10 years, and it is still one of the buggiest pieces of code that ever touched a Pentium processor. Explorer usually locks up on me within an hour of a clean installation of Windows... and I usually have to nuke the process at least once a day.

You need to check and or replace your ram or clean your CPU fan.

OK wireless is HARDWARE, not software. Its a NIC like Ethernet. And its changing also, 802.11a, b, g, n...

And if Explorer is locking up, that sounds like a BIOS issue. What everyone overlooks and continues to ignore, is the HCL. Hardware compatibility list. If every piece of hardware on your machine is on that list, then you should not have problems. If you introduce even a small device, like a USB hub which is NOT on the list, all bets are off.

I would be willing to bet, 99.99% of people that read this forum do NOT check their machines against that list, and you are using drivers which were NOT tested or certified by Microsoft to work. So unexpected drivers leads to unexepected code, which leads to unexpected results, which is probably why Explorer freezes.

Want SP3? get something better, get Mac OS X

There's always at least one.

Amen :)

I'll buy Mac OS X (Intel version when available) when Apple wakes up and starts licensing the Intel Mac OS X. The folks at Apple are morons for refusing to license their OS. They might actually give MS a run for their money if Mac OS X didn't require special hardware.

Hmmm correct me if I am wrong, but hasn't MAC released at lease 4 SP's in the past several months? OSX 10 just came out a few months ago and it's at least on 10.4.

BINGO! A man with some knowledge..

No *YOU* get a MAC. If you want it, I like my Windows. Mine works fine. Oh, and don't complain when you don't have games, utilies, and shareware to use..

So when are you going to get your MAC? Then maybe you will quit whining about using something you don't like. ITs not like they are holding a gun to your head.. Feel Free to make the switch to the Mac or Linux. Don't let the doorknob hit you on the way out . . .

I would say that was accurate.. I lost count of all the security flaws.. but every one seems to forget that..

Why does everyone compare their operating systems based on security flaws? Every single piece of software on the planet has one or several security flaws. They're only exposed when the sad, pathetic losers who should get out more sit for hours at a computer trying to exploit them.

If you like MacOS, great! Get a Mac. You like Windows? Fine, run Windows. Just stop telling everyone who opts for the other system that you're better than them because of it.

Wake up dude! The first release of Mac OS X was release on March 24, 2001! FOUR YEARS AGO!

Get the facts straight. And I wouldn't call 10.1, 10.2, 10.3, 10.4 service packs. They included alot more then security fixes in those releases.

You need to learn to read.

EDIT: "And I wouldn't call 10.1, 10.2, 10.3, 10.4 service packs. They included alot more then security fixes in those releases."

XP was the same and it's only had two servicepacks and they had more than just security patches.

Oh really? Name a "feature" in SP1 and SP2 for XP that is not related to security... hotfixes, firewall, security center are all related to security.

Mac OS X as had Dashboard,Expose,Spotlight,Safari just to name a few...

I will only name one seeign how you named a bunch yourself. Mediaplayer oh heck here is a second one for the hell of it, Movie maker 2. You named a lot of features yourself. As for the point here is that OSX 10 have had four and Windows XP only 2 so far. Call it whatever you want, but facts are facts no matter what YOU want to call them.

Then by your account Windows is up to 6 versions now. Windows 2000 was [Version 5.0.2195] with 4 service packs that followed and then Windows XP was [Version 5.1.2600] with 2 service packs going on 3.

There hasn't been a major revision of NT code since 2000.. five years! That's 1 year older then OS X.

And the thing I've mentioned are not "features" they are security related and should have been there in the first place. The only thing you've mentioned are updates to EXISTING software. Nothing new.

Get the FACTS right dude.

Ok if you want to look at it like that then I have no idea of how many versions of MAC there has been. I do know that there are a hell of a lot more than Windows. You should just stop while you are a head, you are making yourself look pretty bad every time you post stupid crap like that. I and so does the reast of the world feel that new programs even if that have some "security related" parts are still features. You are startign to sould like a broken record stuck on the first line that can't get past to real song. You have no idea what you are talking about and really should just stop. I know several others that are laughing at how you are talking nonsense. Lets ask this: How is one OS that is v 10.4 not a version change? WHat you are saying is just stupid.

BTW you need to look up the the word "feature". As for what you feel should be there is just your opinion not a fact!

God you're an idiot. You sound like a 4 year old. There should be an age limit for posting on these forums.

See in the big world. Grown ups sometimes work on coding software. In a development cycle there are MAJOR releases, MINOR releases and patch fixes. Going from NT 4.0 to NT 5.0 (Windows 2000) is considered a MAJOR release. Going from NT 5.0 to NT 5.1 is a MINOR release... can you look at the pretty numbers and see why? The number after 5.1 ... like 2600 (for 5.1.2600) is a BUILT number.

So NT 5 as had 6 service packs from version 5.0 to 5.1 and no MAJOR release since 2000.

If you need more "education" let me know. I'll be glad to fill you in. I'll send you the bill in the mail.

Gawd you are f*ing stupid. LMAO LMMFAO You have NO idea what you are even talking about. NONE

Ahahaha! This just confirmed your age... I say 4 ... MAYBE 5.. Ahahaha!!

Gold I tell you. Pure comedy GOLD!

Do you work in TV? I mean really you are funny and the whole world is laughing at how stupid you really are or was that what you wanted? Do you do standup?

No... I don't work IN a TV. See.. once you grow up and start to understand how things work in the real world, you'll realize that the shows you watch on a television are not actually LIVING IN the television.

You kids today. You crack me up. But geez it's scary how your IQ is so low.

Damn you are stupid. I didn't say A TV I said IN TV. TV = Television. You just keep showing how truly stupid you are. I am trying to be nice by telling you to stop while you are might have some respect from someone someplace. Keep in mind that your opinions are not fact nor will an opinion ever be a fact. Facts can be proven and opinions can only be backed up with facts.

EDIT: http://www.tfd.com/features You still need to look this up, because you had no idea what you were saying.

- Captain Kirk, we seem to have detected some signs of semi-intelligent life.. what should we do?

- Well Chekov, it'll be another billion years before you can communicate with it.. Let alone have an INTELLIGENT reponse in the thread. Let's move on to something else.

PS. Get a hint.

You need to learn to read:

"Name a "feature" in SP1 and SP2 for XP that is not related to security"

n00b.

And you still need to read. I listed a few.

Well this is very interesting. So once I upgrade to Vista on my computer, it'll be interested to see what SP3 brings to all of my other systems. I must be a geeky geek though cause service packs somewhat excite me. :P

Yeah, me too, but that's also why I have more than one computer ... gotta have that extra one to test everything out on in case of an implosion. I've always got to test the next great patch, or OS for that matter. I think it's had just about every flavor of Linux on it as well. Have yet to try the Mac OS on it, though...

lol same here. I even tried putting Mac for Intel on it, but almost none of my hardware was supported =(

Um.. Go Back works great....

A bit more from ZDNet UK
http://news.zdnet.co.uk/...9020396,39224418,00.htm

Not even gonna bother.

My XP boxes have been running fine. Don't need anymore stinking updates.

Certainly not a service pack.

well don't be cursing at microsoft if your computer gets hit by another blaster like virus

If i do install it i'll most likely be cursing them because they broke something again.

Yean it will patch 98 holes and create 198 more, in true microsoft fashion. :)-

Of course a Frenchman leaked that info...*Whistle*

Wut r u trying to say? huh, got something against them just come out and say it!

I am not alone when I say I hate the French.

Damn u F****g people, what the hell is wrog with u, what just cause we din't go to war wit u? Wut the **** does it matter. Alot of countries dint go, u don't see anyon getting pissed at them. I dont agree with wut the states are doing, but the difference it i aint telling anyone i hate them and all the crap. i really don't care, do wut u want to do, but dont drag others with u!

good lord man, use the king's english.

I'm from a long line of Texans, not like George Bush. My grandfather was a sharecropper during the Great Depression. I guess that makes me pretty American. And I like the French!

Paris is a great city and I've enjoyed my trips there. The food is great, wine good and women sexy. So I have no problem like others in this country who get upset about the French.

What amuses me is that the French did go to war with America, albeit in an indirect way. You see, all the major defense contractors (Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman, Boeing Military, etc.) who build all the fine weapons of mass destruction that this country produces use a software package known as CATIA to create the designs.

And where is CATIA developed, you might ask? Why at La Defense in Paris. Thanks Dassaault Systemes!

You pissed off the Frenchie! Oh, and screw XP as soon as Vista comes out. I want my pretty effects!

Damn straight. Napoleon lives on, in software!

lol. I'm with Maxwolf on this one. And it's not because France didn't fight. It's because your beloved Jacques Chirac had deals going with Saddam (military arms for oil, etc.).

After the U.S. has saved France's butt in every war over the past 200 years... that was not cool.

And now this has gotten COMPLETELY off topic.

Thank you!!! See he knows wut im talking about
Now, back to the software chat.

I hereby christen Service Pack 3 as Freedom Pack 3!

Buck Fush

200 years? Hahaha. Go back to History class.

Lets all get our history straight. The US sold arms in the form of guns ammo, and even helped funnel in the Poison gasses used against the Kurds. Not surprisingly Cheney and Rumsfeld Were both path of the operation under Reagan and Bush Senior. "An eight-year-old Senate report confirms that disease-producing and poisonous materials were exported, under U.S. government license, to Iraq from 1985 to 1988 during the Iran-Iraq war" Beyond that the US owes France. If it wasnt for France we would still be part of England. Does everyone remember the Revolutionary War....

This iss the funniest forrum i have ever seen! i never thought it could get this off topic, i think i speak for all of us when i say "WOW" (i bet u someone is gonna reply saying "nope")

I have to wave the BS flag here... You obviously are another victim of rumor and innuendo, set for by the crappy media we have here. The arms issue is correct but not the Poison Gas issue.

As for the French in the Revolutionary War, that’s was only to keep the Brits off their backs because they were next and they didn’t really help all that much as it was.

But they did try so I’ll give them that.

Wow... They make a Great Cad system. Hey they make a Great Wine too! That’s almost a good enough reason to forgive them helping Sadam and his cronies steal so billions of dollars from everyone. give me a break. A lot of countries have great food, sexy woman and better programmers. Besides the fact that without the companies building all those fine Weapons of Mass Destruction, you could just as well Kiss your Texan Butt good bye...

another history lesson.
March, 1986. The United States with Great Britain block all Security Council resolutions condemning Iraq's use of chemical weapons, and on March 21 the US becomes the only country refusing to sign a Security Council statement condemning Iraq's use of these weapons. [10]

May, 1986. The US Department of Commerce licenses 70 biological exports to Iraq between May of 1985 and 1989, including at least 21 batches of lethal strains of anthrax. [3]

May, 1986. US Department of Commerce approves shipment of weapons grade botulin poison to Iraq. [7]

March, 1987. President Reagan bows to the findings of the Tower Commission admitting the sale of arms to Iran in exchange for hostages. Oliver North uses the profits from the sale to fund an illegal war in Nicaragua. [17]

Late 1987. The Iraqi Air Force begins using chemical agents against Kurdish resistance forces in northern Iraq. [1]

February, 1988. Saddam Hussein begins the "Anfal" campaign against the Kurds of northern Iraq. The Iraq regime used chemical weapons against the Kurds killing over 100,000 civilians and destroying over 1,200 Kurdish villages. [8]

April, 1988. US Department of Commerce approves shipment of chemicals used in manufacture of mustard gas.

Fools everywhere in this world.

Haven't you learned anything in your lives?

There is the people and there is the people's government. So whom do you hate? Do you even know any Frenchman?

You're just one of those millions of foolish guys who are building their "sight" of the world off of second hand information in the "media" and think and feel what they want you to think and feel.

Go on and hate and hate and detest and hate.

What a nice world you are creating with your hate and unqualified "opinions".

Merci beaucoup, Messieurs. Peut-etre la vie va changer votres visions du guerre qui sont trop finistres qu'on pourrait sourire.

O yeah - what a BIG LAUGH HATE INVOKES, isn't it...

Bah - one day you'll have to pay for all this in a currency you won't be able to change.

Fools everywhere in this world.

Haven't you learned anything in your lives?

There is the people and there is the people's government. So whom do you hate? Do you even know any Frenchman?

You're just one of those millions of foolish guys who are building their "sight" of the world off of second hand information in the "media" and think and feel what they want you to think and feel.

Go on and hate and hate and detest and hate.

What a nice world you are creating with your hate and unqualified "opinions".

Merci beaucoup, Messieurs. Peut-etre la vie va changer votres visions du guerre qui sont trop finistres qu'on pourrait sourire.

O yeah - what a BIG LAUGH HATE INVOKES, isn't it...

Bah - one day you'll have to pay for all this in a currency you won't be able to change.

A lot of this is true! So where do hypocrites now get off, trying to convince the world, that Saddam Hussein never had WMDs. You have detailed his purchase and uses of them...

so does this history lesson come with SP3?! i think not. So keep it out of these forums. How friggen off topic can you get?!

I can hardly wait 'til it comes out :-)

Hypocrites like...

Colin Powell, February 2001: "[Saddam] has not developed any significant capability with respect to weapons of mass destruction. He is unable to project conventional power against his neighbors. So in effect, our policies have strengthened the security of the neighbors of Iraq."

Condoleeza Rice, July 2001: "We are able to keep his arms from him. His military forces have not been rebuilt."

http://www.thememoryhole.org/war/powell-no-wmd.htm

Not that much. The French only defended the States against the greatest naval force in the world at the time.

Also, who do you think was next in line if the Nazis had taken over Europe and the Japanese over Asia?

I fully support what tipsyboy has written. I would add that I stopped writing in these supposed forums weeks ago (this comment being an exception!) due to the amount of personal abuse and off topic comments. The topic here is supposedly about SP3 so where does all this hatred and personal attacks come from?. It seems to me that if someone listed a program which was the greatest the world had ever seen and the authors paid $1000 to everyone who used it, there would still be complaints, personal attacks and narrow minded cretins who would condemn it.
Why cant they just stay on topic and make remarks which the rest of us would find constructive and useful? I suppose that would be too much to expect.

Damn that was funny.. Freedom Fries and Freedom Vanilla Ice Cream for everyone!

F&*K the French. Viva la get the f&%K out of my way you showerless, overbearing, chauvinist pigs!

And for the record, Napoleon pocketed ALL the proceeds from the lousiana purchase. He hated the French as well..

It matters, because they whined about what we were doing, when all they did was drink their wine and raped their women. That's what. The French SUCK! They are lazy and they bathe like once a week..

Great role models there.

So what, lets keep it going...

Who gives a s*** if you support it? you are as ignorant as he is. Yeah, way to make a statement there. Why don't you move there? They could probably use another janitor in the Eiffel Tower...

OMG! People are blind deaf dumb and lazy. WMD's do exist, for some reason people feel the need to support a terrorist.. Talk about confused loyalties..

Well Saddam HAS NOT, but HIS allies DID. In order to cover the statement better, he should have said "Iraq does not possess the capability with respect to WMD's...". But they sidestepped that..

So what, Saddam is in prison, and he will be there until they drag his turbin rat infested corpse a** out with the trash on patriots day.

You are preaching to the choir.. Tell this to frenchie.. He is not getting it.

Wait for what? Give me one feature that SP3 will fix or enhance? Huh? Oh, you can't so shut up.

Why wait for something you know ZERO about.

So let me get this straight, you were an eye witness? I didn't think so, so your statement is hearsay. Therefore it is striken from the record.

They tried what? Running? Hiding? Pleading for mercy? Making better wine? Abuse women?

"Do or do not, there is no try" - Yoda

Are you ****ing kidding me? They defended nothing. Their aid in the Revolutionary war was pointless.

And as far as the Nazis, its only sad they didn't succeed in taking over France. At least the Germans had a plan.

"I'm from a long line of Texans, not like George Bush. My grandfather was a sharecropper during the Great Depression. I guess that makes me pretty American. And I like the French!"

- No that makes your family slave traders... You would like the french, they are ignorant just like you.

"Paris is a great city and I've enjoyed my trips there. The food is great, wine good and women sexy. So I have no problem like others in this country who get upset about the French."

- Good planes leaving daily. Non-Stop. I am sure you can get your cropduster to the closest airport and enjoy a nice french cuisine on the way to your new home....

"And where is CATIA developed, you might ask? Why at La Defense in Paris. Thanks Dassaault Systemes! "

- That's because the french make great endentured servants.. just like the old days!

The kings english was beta, Americans release the final product.

Read the English 101, the use of proper case is a good tool to have, you should try it sometime. Did the king teach you that too?

Unfortunately your post only confirms everything that he and I said.
Your parents must be very proud! I am sure you must be well liked and respected in your community.
Be sure to bring your children up the same. Ensure that their command of the English language is as poor as your own.

Another of your pathetic, ill informed comments. The Nazis did succeed in taking over France.

"It's because your beloved Jacques Chirac had deals going with Saddam (military arms for oil, etc.)."

And the CIA trained and funded Al-Qaeda when the Russians invaded Afghanistan. Oh and the US also funded Iraq as well in the Iran/Iraq war.

" The kings english was beta, Americans release the final product."

ROFLMAO. Actually American English uses OLD spellings of British English. So actually America is once again using a product several generations behind - a bit like your cars.

You're way off topic and way outta line.

Racism has no place. Anywhere.

You have a signed purchase order do you?

Amazing, when no other country could find any proof.

...which gets us back to the inescapable fact that 911 was fifty years of American foreign policy finally coming home to roost.

Pity the country hasn't gotten a clue yet and is still practicing the same BS on the world scene. Then they wonder why they're alone....

SP3 will probably contain the WinFX platform, and WinFS file system. Since they said both would be available for XP.

I have betas of both on my XP system now, so that's quite likely.

I REALLY hope so. That would be reason no. 1 to install it. =))))

Vista Beta, or WinFX/FS?

Well since he said he has them on his XP machine, it would be hard to have Vista on it.

good stuff..i seriously love MS OS's.. lol

I like them also. however I just installed Ubuntu 5.1 on my laptop, god that OS is sexy. True desktop contention seems very very close...

YES!!! Ubuntu is a great OS. I use Kubuntu - sweet stuff.

it';s good to hear that there creating a SP3 pack, i think it's great when they decide to do a service pack, as it gives the developers a great chance at really sorting all the components out in XP, and also introduce features that they should of done before but either never had the time or money, or more to the point never had the no how,

which leads me on to my next point really, a lot of people seem to under estimate the great tasks at programming this OS,

like people wanting certain features in there OS, and think that the security is a joke, well i have to say that with the popularity around XP and the amount of people out there all experienced at there hacking abilities trying to get one over on MS i'm not suprised that security seems to be a joke in XP, but i couldn't agree more, some of the features that have come out in XP (although late) still deserves a lot of credit, ecspecially to the programmers, this stuff is not easy, and the code that they have to deal with is very hard to program, as most of there code is pure assembly it takes a long time for turn around security patches to come out.

my other point i wanted to raise is,do we need the next operating system at the moment, or further to the point what is the next generation OS going to bring to us that XP can't do now, as XP has only just reached (the world has only just reached) the 64 bit stage, and although the cpu companies and MS has a good understanding of the 64 bit world, nearly all software developers have not caught up yet, and more important game developers as i am sure that once they work out how, 64 bit programming will greatly enhance the AI side of things in these games, as AI calculations put a missive strain on even the most advance CPU's avalible,

i just think that the next OS is going to need so much to run it, ecspecially in the graphics department, and i feel that the next OS won't have the same speed benefit that XP braught us. (unless you have a dual cpu or multi cpu)

and just to finish of, some people think that upgrading xp is pointless, to you people you have not got a clue, by fixing and tuning, and updating a product, helps developers come up with new revolution ideas for there next incarnations, as i'm sure a lot of you know that by fixing one thing can sometimes give ideas, and those ideas would of never have come unless that part was fixed first, so i say keep the SP packs coming MS, as there benefitting you too.#

Registered singing off.

I Really like Kubuntu, but I had several problems with Ubuntu 5.4. I still like it however.

Yeah yeah, been there done that, still waiting..

Let me see, OS/2, NextOS, BeOS, and so many others have tried and failed. After all the hate surrounding Windows, its a miracle its still around after 26 years in development and managed to fend off pretend companies.

They know what you don't. An OS goes way deeper than just code. Pick up a book about how to create your own operating system, and you will see how much it takes to actually make an OS. Its a lot more difficult than supporting a few drivers.. and releasing service packs.