I don't know why the cheerleader pitdingo believes we think its the end of the world that MS is number two in the console race. I don't care how they rank as long as they all stay in business and provide enough competition to keep prices down. I don't own any machine at the moment since I'm to busy to enjoy them right now, but i'm glad the competion exists and so should everyone else.

Giving away games isn't a good sign I'd think, especially after halo3 was released. They must not have sold the number of consoles they thought they would from this game, or they are in pain for all the returns.

I won't bother with the wii because every time I went to buy it it was sold out.
I won't get an XBOX360 because MS obviously has some hardware issues they need to figure out.
I won't buy anything sony ever again because they lost my trust forever with the DRM/spyware fiasco in their CD's.
Stickin' with PC's, I guess.

Did anyone mention Halo 3 has sold 5 million copies? Has any PS3 game ever come close?

I would be surprised to find out that all games combined for the PS3 have sold close to 5 million copies.

No but the PS2 sold over 120 million of consoles alone. The PS2 even outsold the xbox360 for the first year in the U.S.! A full 4 years after it was released!

The PS3 has not even sold that many consoles yet.

We're in next gen. now, please try to keep up.

The 360 will dominsate the PS3 this holiday, there is no Sony hype at all and only a select few actually like this POS.

Oh and pitdingo Steve Dave, the in-game advertising is a different post, you human colostomy.

"The 360 will dominsate the PS3 this holiday"

wow, that will be a challenge. PS3 has nothing this year. Once GT5 comes out, it will pick up some steam. You can't do that game on the 360...too weak.

How long until the XBox 720? The 360 is a failure, like the the XBox before it. M$ will soon abandon it and rush to get a head start on the next generation. LOL. even with a year+ head start, the Wii has sold more consoles. LMAO!!!

Good luck finding a Wii this holiday. I got mine. ;)

Err, actually Xbox 360 is still leading the Wii and PS3 in total sales state-side.

Please, put down the crack-pipe and remove the Sony pole from your ass.

"The 360 is a failure"

It's selling better than the PS3 by far. I wouldn't call that a failure.

Every Wal-Mart around here has plenty of Wii's. Best buy get's them every Wednesday morning. It's really not that hard. Try finding a decent PS3 game this holiday.

MS doesn't need a 720, all of the original 360 owners have already bought Elites and Pro's to replace their bricked consoles.

You don't understand what a harcore 360 owner is all about, they will buy 3 of them, I know people who already had two go bad and bought a third.

I have a Pro and an Elite, both new gen and no heat, no noise, no problems. The older ones are all crap, we can agree on that at least.

But you will rarely find a PS3 owner buying another one to replace thier DOA after the one year warranty is up.

The MS crowd just doesn't care about problem consoles, they just keep buying them.

When you can get people to buy multiple consoles, it's hardly a failure. We already know Sony drones will buy multiple PS's and PS2's, they have had a s***load go bad.

Contrary to what you learn in the USA, there is much more to the world than the USA. The Wii _dominates_ the 360 in world wide sales; it has the largest installed base.

The PS3 is no where in sight. Sorry your choice of consoles is #2 and falling far behind the Wii. The better console wins.

I got my Wii for the holidays. Good luck finding yours.

right. maybe in Kentucky.

In the civilized world, there are no Wii's to be found. I was in GameStop yesterday and the phone rang three times with people asking if they had Wii's. "Sorry sold out"

They had a ton of 360's and PS3's with dust on them on the shelf. They guy said they sold a few 360's with Halo 3, but now they are barely selling any again. And that was only after, what, a week?

You do bring up a good point...the install base for the M$ 360 is inflated as people buy several consoles due to all the problems and lacking/incomplete feature sets when the first consoles shipped. This is bad for M$ as it means lost software revenue. You might have three 360's but you are not buying three Halo 3's.

"The Wii _dominates_ the 360 in world wide sales; it has the largest installed base."

I am happy for them. Nintendo deserves their turn in the spotlight again. They deserve to reap the rewards and benefits that come with being truly innovative. Kudos!

It didn't take long for the troll to fall back to his normal MS sucks and the 720 crap. We all know the Wii is doing well so move along. Did you ever notice that the games for the Wii are not very deep?

If you love your Wii so much go play with it. Make sure your mom doesn't catch you.

"Did you ever notice that the games for the 360 are not very deep?"

Yeah, i did notice that and so did a lot of other people as evidenced by the sales of the Wii.

yeah but the 360 has the highest attach rate and that is the reason the 360 is the hiqhest priority for most developers.

They are great if you can't play real games. Most of the games are way to easy. i guess that is why you like so much. And I said that the Wii games are not very deep. They are about as shallow as they come.

Don't get me wrong I like the Wii but for more fun detailed challanging games I use the 360 or PC. I know I am a drone for preferring the 360 or PC. I actually use Windows on my PC and don't belly ache about it all day.

Not only do you not know what you are talking about more often than not you can't even quote right.

this is not something for you to brag on because Nintendo should adjusted to the market by now. they could have sold even more consoles if they met the demand. they will lose customer because of this. kids don't want promises they want a gift on Dec 25th. it mostly a kiddy game.

sure. the xbox has been out for over a year longer than the Wii. The attach rate for the Wii is going up daily and soon will pass the 360.

wishful thinking at best.

Guess what the rate is also going up daily for the 360. Bet you never thought of that. I have not bought a new game for the Wii in over six months but hav ebought about ten for the 360. I guess you will respond to me being an Bbot, MS employee, fanboy or something else stupid like that. I amy actaully buy a SP3 game this week as well. I don't car for the large ibrary of kids games for the Wii.

Nice way to butcher a quote moron...

The man said Wii, not 360.

We are talking about Chicago, not rural Middle America. I can run out right now and buy a dozen if i wanted to.

Yep, here in Kentucky, too.

Note to gamers:

Today, Microsoft announces free games (good ones I might add) with console!

Today, Sony announces annoying "IN-GAME" advertising with console! WTF?

Thanks Microsoft!

NO thanks Sony!

M$ already beat them to the in-game advertising.

http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9784685-7.html

But i would not expect the M$ drones to remember that.

Signs of desperation from M$...with Halo 3 out, there is nothing else for the holidays. Now they are giving away games (crappy games btw) to help move consoles.

Nintendo is number one, even after M$ had over a year head start, continues to sell at a pace to eclipse the PS2 (top selling console of all time), and still has two AAA titles coming out for the holidays.

Good luck finding a Wii for the holidays. M$ XBox 360's and PS3's will be piled high in the stores though, since no one wants them.

"Signs of desperation from M$...with Halo 3 out,"

Okay..... So that must mean that since Metroid Prime 3 is out it's a sign of desperation! Games are supposed to be released on a 'gaming' machine.

Don't get me wrong though, I own both the Nintendo Wii and Xbox 360 and they're both fun. You should get a 360 and try out Bioshock. It's pretty fun along with Halo 3 (and other games which I don't have time to list right now).

Oh, and please don't use M$. All three systems are out to make money, not just Microsoft.

did you read the full sentence? Now that Halo 3 is out, there is nothing else good coming out for the holidays. Sales spiked and now are in free fall.

The Wii continues to sell out everywhere and they still have two AAA titles coming, and possible a third in the Mario and Sonic at the Olympics.

No 360 for me. Halo 3 is the same old same old. Consoles suck for FPS...no mouse and keyboard.

Hellgate, Mythos, and Team Fortress will keep me busy. I can't wait to wtfpwn console players in TF. Of course they will gimp the PC players to make it fair to the console players.

Or we could start saying P$3 and $ONY.

"Sales spiked and now are in free fall"

Really??? Last I heard...sales are solid, more then doubled since pre-halo 3...unless you're the only one on this planet to see zero-hour sales data??

"I can't wait to wtfpwn"

Thanks...I always knew you were no more then 12...but at least now there's some proof.

"Sonic at the Olympics"

Wow...I don't know what could match that!!! /sarcasm Hate to break it to you, but high sales or not the Wii is starting to look more and more like a machine directed more at the kiddies and non gamers. Obviously for Nintendo this is not a bad thing because it is a pretty large market. But not too good for a hardcore gamer machine. You will never have your Call of Duty 4, Gears of War, etc. on the Wii. At least not with decent graphics.

"there is nothing else for the holidays."

You have heard of Mass Effect, right? From the same people that made KOTOR and Neverwinter Nights.

"Now that Halo 3 is out, there is nothing else good coming out for the holidays."

How's that mean they're desperate? Even though that's an opinion that 'there is nothing else good coming out for the holidays' doesn't mean they're desperate.

who cares about graphics besides teenage fanboi's?

Personally i am interested in gameplay. Is it fun? The Wii offers boatloads of fun. More fun than the XBox 360 and PS3...look at the sales numbers.

No one seems to be complaining about the graphics in Metroid. Real gamers care about gameplay. Fanboi's care about graphics.

Dave lives in a very small world and refuses to believe that the 360 has many good games and much more coming.

why else would they be giving away software? Software is how they make money.

M$ (Sony or Nintendo) are not going to give away games or have a price cut for no reason. Nintendo has not had a pricecut because they are still selling every console they can make.

Sony is "cutting" prices and introducing new SKU's as they can not sell consoles. M$ is doing the same. Neither company can touch Nintendo right now and they are desperately trying to figure it out.

If Nintendo can continue this pace and expand on it through the holidays...both M$ and Sony will never catch them in this generation. And there is no reason to think Nintendo is not going to continue this pace.

Developers are going to devote more and more resources to the Wii as that is the biggest installed base. More games == even more sales == even bigger problems for both M$ and Sony.

what are you talking about the orange box (half-life) comes out tomorrow.

I think you better go back and look up the definition of fanboy, because you are a RAVING one. Nintendo fanboys are some of the worst because they're like little kids prattling on and calling people names nonstop. Just STFU.

I agree with most of your points except for this:
"M$ (Sony or Nintendo) are not going to give away games"

Sony is giving away Motorsport with there 80gb model.

Even though you made some good points, that still doesn't mean releasing Halo 3 means Microsoft (look no $) released it in desperation.

"More fun than the XBox 360"

You don't even own one. How do you know if it's fun or not. You have to actually try it and play some games. Not just watch friends play or play for a few seconds at EB Games.

"M$ (Sony or Nintendo) are not going to give away games or have a price cut for no reason. Nintendo has not had a pricecut because they are still selling every console they can make."

You commented on the lack of a price cut with the Wii (which I agree with), but noticed that you conveniently left out the fact that (to the best of my knowledge) every Wii console since launch comes with a bundled game.

Dont buy that 360 yet... The new 65nm chips are going in first Q of '08.

While I'm sure your right, is overheating still a problem?

they are shipping now with the 65nm falcon CPU on the halo edition

last i heard that was just an assumption and not a solid fact. i'm in the market for a 360 so if someone could point authoritatively to a site that confirms this is in fact true, that would be cool.

It is a fact. They have posted various pics with the different CPUs and results from power consuption, and the results are consistant with a reduction in the chip size.

It's a shame it looks like the Halo edition looks.

It's fugly.

/would have purchased one otherwise

If you have it wrapped in a blanket. Overheating is not a problem when the Xbox 360 is properly placed.

Exactly, even with the models released at launch.

It's the people who foolishly place it on the carpet, against a wall, or behind closed doors inside a heat-coffin in their entertainment center who feel they have a case against Microsoft when they wonder why it's overheating. It's the people who move the unit from horizontal to vertical position (or vice versa) while the disc is spinning who are potentially at risk of ending up with scratched media.

I have little sympathy for those who cannot follow simple instructions.

Go ahead and Blame the user when every other console seems to be fine.

Sorry, but I prefer to pull from personal experience, and the only problem that I have seen personally with any Xbox 360 is a RRoD from a game update, not a hardware failure.

I believe the failure rate percentages are as high as everyone else says they are, I'm just saying that I have seen no physical proof of it personally. That's all.

If I or my coworker have had no issues with overheating on a console purchased on launch day, what else should I be expected to believe?

Wrong put your PS2 on the carpet and it will be gone.

I asked the question because I've had to return 2 360's for hardware failures. I'm on my 3rd now, its brand new and I to the best of my knowledge a proper heat sink has been added.

For the record...did you place your previous two consoles "in a heat coffin" in your entertainment center or in a corner surrounded by carpet when they died?

What doess "fugly" mean exactly :D ?

Honestly, I meant no disrespect, and I did not mean to imply any misuse of the console on your part. I can only speculate based on what I have personally witnessed, or have been told by others who have had their consoles since launch day or shortly after.

I know that it was determined that the scratched media problem indeed stemmed from a design problem with the DVD-ROM drive, but when left in either the horizontal or vertical position while the disc is spinning (which the manual states), there was no risk of scratching.

The same results from placing just about any laptop on the carpet.

With great power comes great responsibility. :)

Not with the new ones, I know the older ones were ovens and very noisy.

No, actually I barely even used them, I played them like once every month. Then I get the rings :'(. It's ok, fast service, and I'm sure its not a problem now.

P.S Both boxes were hacked :-D

LOL

Yep, that'll do it, too. :)

I wonder how long it will be before the EU fines them for bundling games now?

I was thinking the same thing...

Don't be silly.

It's nothing like the same thing.

Games have been bundled with systems since the days of the Atari 2600. It's not even remotely comparable to bundling their own software into Windows. Why would they sue, who is it hurting?

He was being sarcastic. I think.

I've not yet bought a 360 - should I do it with this package, or wait for the Arcade? Note that I'm not a hard-core gamer. What do you think?

I would recommend going with this package. Even if you are not a hardcore gamer, the hard drive gives you a lot more flexibility (movies, etc). If you are not interested in the bundled games, I'm sure you could resell them on eBay and recover $50 or so which would cut into the price difference.

get neither; your best bet would be to get a Wii for the best entertainment value.

This package is by far the best offer. I would highly recommend this package compared to the others. :)

Don't you feel like crying once you get over how cool motion-control is and realize that most of the games for the Wii are really quite poor? Doesn't it make you wish you had a real video-game console? Or do you just use your PC to play the real games?

If you're a kid, we already know you can't be more than 15 years old.

Good point. Thanks.

...or if you were old enough, get a woman.

I guarantee Steve will be here in no time spinning this positive news into an act of desperation by MS...

I can already guess what he's going to say. 1) The games being bundled suck, and 2) that Metacrtic.com is a Microsoft biased fan site/was paid off by Microsoft to rate them so high.

Steve is already here posting as pitdingo and fernz.