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Microsoft posts videos of users who liked Vista after thinking it was new OS

By Jacqueline Emigh, BetaNews

July 28, 2008, 5:52 PM

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9:00am ET July 29, 2008 - The videos are now live on the Mojave Experiment Web site.


Microsoft has posted actual videos from its "Mojave Experiment," an effort to dispel negative stereotypes about Vista by making Windows users think they were running a newer operating system that was actually Vista.

While not referring to Mojave by name, Microsoft first talked about the project publicly during a meeting with financial analysts last week, when Bill Veghte, a senior VP, mentioned an experiment done by Microsoft among PC users who "have a negative perception relative to" Vista.

"They're not using it, but they are predisposed to think about it in a negative way," according to Veghte, who heads up Microsoft's Online Services & Windows Business Group.

Veghte said the subjects in the experiment consisted of a focus group chosen through a phone survey based on random dialing. He then rolled video showing how users who'd voiced anti-Vista leanings in the survey -- but were then duped into thinking they were looking at a new OS codenamed Mojave -- liked what they saw, even though they were actually viewing Vista.

In practically the same breath, Veghte mentioned another survey done by Microsoft, this one conducted among existing Vista users. "We have 89 percent satisfied or very satisfied, and 83 percent of those customers would recommend it to friends, family, et cetera. That is a very good result when you compare and contrast the satisfaction levels on other products," he contended at the meeting.

When early reports about Mojave emerged online late last week, BetaNews contacted Microsoft to find out more about the two surveys discussed at the analyst meeting, and whether their relationship -- if any -- to one another.

As it turns out, Mojave and Microsoft's "Vista satisfaction" survey are not related -- not directly, anyway.

"The source of the [Vista satisfaction] survey was Penn Schoen and Berland Associates, which is a different company than Microsoft is working with on Mojave," a Microsoft spokesperson told BetaNews today.

Mojave, on the other hand, was aimed at getting a better understanding of "the reactions of customers to Windows Vista, when they were not aware that they were using Windows Vista," she said.

"The people we tested were were a collection of Mac, Linux, and Windows users who have not made the switch yet to Windows Vista," BetaNews was told. "We look forward to showing them on July 29."

BetaNews asked Microsoft whether the Mojave videos will be released in Microsoft ads. "We intend to use these videos as part of some upcoming Windows Vista marketing treatments. You can expect to continue to see ongoing product marketing efforts around Windows that communicates its value to our customers," the spokesperson maintained.

Early Monday evening, prior to the posting of the anticipated Mojave videos, a teaser site established over the past few days spilled a few other details about Mojave.

The Mojave Experiment took place over "three days in San Francisco, July, 2008," according to postings on the site.

"Subjects get a live 10-minute demo of "'the next Microsoft operating system - codenamed Mojave - but it's actually Windows Vista," the teaser site proclaimed.

More than 120 computer users viewed the "Mojave" demo, presented on an HP Pavilion DV 2000 with 2GB of RAM.

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By jmac8520

edited Aug 31, 2008 - 1:32 AM

some of you are really sad. I have been around computers for my whole life I have seen the release of 3.1 98 98se me 2000 xp and vista. I have two computers one with 2000 pro which is a file and media server and vista ultimate x64. had the vista from original release. has amd x2 5000. and two gigs of ram. upgraded to x64 about six months ago. out of all the releases vista has had the least amount of probs xp just released another sp to fix issues. and for the person that said vista is a mac rip you might want to thank bill gates for your wonderful 2000 dollar mac. if it wasn't for him you wouldn't have in case you have forgoten or your just to ignorant in what you teach bill gates put over 300 mil into apple and mac when they hadno prophet share and were ging under. not only that but actually wrote a large portion of the mac os. and for the uac features for people that have used macs should know macs do the same thing only to ask you for a password not just a ok. pc might not be for you but macs aren't for everyone some people don't have pocketbook for it and me personally do not find the value in it. and just wait once macs become more popular which they will they will have the same problems when people start writing virus' for them which it already is happening. real quick if you tried running xp on your original 98 or me machine how would it run. it wouldn't. all new ms os' required system upgrades with the exception of maybe 2000. vista already far less problems then xp had in its first three years. if you don't like pcs that's fine and those of us who use them know the drill and know what to expect or at leaste we should and those who mouth the mojave experiment it is no different then the pc mac commercials influencing those who haven't used either I work on computers for a living and use both all the time.. I just feel windows have more to offer for me. I do a lot of work from the command line and honestly don't want to spend the time to relearn all that I have from the start of time

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By Juba_PornBorn

edited Aug 5, 2008 - 10:58 AM

Ok. I have to comps 1 with xp another with vista. I had xp for what? 8 years or something? Well in the XP machines I never had to format it because of a malfunction on it OS. On the other hand in the Vista machine I had hundreds of freezed OS and 1 format due to unrecoverable errors in just 6 months of using it. Am I being unlucky or is it that this product is not safe for use yet? Lately is kinda working ok with the latest updates althought it is a resource hog with no apparent major diferences apart from the problems it gave me.

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By virtualbry

posted Jul 31, 2008 - 10:18 PM

It is fun to watch Microsoft, Mac and Linux fanboys duke it out...

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By alanpalmer

posted Jul 31, 2008 - 2:30 PM

I use Vista at home and XP at work. Of the two I prefer Vista. At first, until I got Vista working they way I wanted it, instead of the way M$ wanted it, I preferred XP, but now Vista runs far better than XP ever did.

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By TomR

edited Jul 31, 2008 - 12:17 PM

It matters not, Vista is crap. Much the same as that other failure Windows ME.
Seems to be a theme here:
Windows 98 (excellent, stable) went to ME (crap)
Windows XP (excellent, stable) went to Vista (crap.)
Bag the endless, irritating pop-ups and overhead eating Vista and wait until MS comes up with the next great leap.

Tom

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By maxpowerxp

edited Aug 1, 2008 - 1:30 AM

I cannot imagine a universe where Windows 98 could be considered stable, or excellent.

I've not had a single problem with Vista x64 in 7 months, much less a slew of popups.

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By spyboy

posted Jul 31, 2008 - 7:54 PM

Is that the same release model R.E.M. has with their albums?

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By templarâ„¢

posted Jul 31, 2008 - 11:53 AM

People should take this in the same light as Apple's "Mac vs PC" TV ads. They exaggerate stuff to make something look better than it's supposed to be.

But in all fairness, Vista really doesn't suck that much. I still prefer XP because it's faster and less strict on stuff but Vista isn't as bad as some people claim it to be.

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By internetworld7

edited Jul 30, 2008 - 11:11 PM

"MacDailyNews Take: It's sad, and telling, that Microsoft has stooped to using the least tech knowledgeable people, Windows XP and earlier users, to fool. This is like taking people who've lived all their lives in tar paper shacks to a trailer park filled with double-wides and asking them "Gee, isn't this great?" Without, of course, ever showing them, or even mentioning, the beautiful mansions on the other side of town. Where the Mac users live.

And, by the way, these tech illiterates were shown a "demo" of Vista. Not let loose with the thing, not allowed to touch things on their own or, God forbid, try to install it and use it on their own PC. "Mojave Experiment?" "Rigged Experiment" is more like it.

So, Microsoft is going to try a $500 million ad campaign designed to convince to their long-suffering XP and earlier sufferers who've never used Mac OS X* (or else they'd be totally unimpressed with Vista disguised as "Mojave") that even though 10,000 reviewers ran Windows Vista through extensive reviews and found it generally to be a derivative, bloated, hardware-taxing, incompatible, falsely-advertised, overpriced pile of crap that they were wrong. Everybody was wrong: the majority of corporate IT people who will not upgrade to Windows Vista, the Windows-centric and Windows-dependent reviewers, the Windows "power users," everybody. Because Microsoft thinks they're smarter than you and smarter than everybody. And you and everyone else made exactly the wrong choice by buying those iPods and now those iPhones and for even thinking about - much less actually - dumping Microsoft's magnificent Windows for Macs in droves.

Bottom line: Microsoft is planning on spending $500 million to tell each person on the planet 50 times per week, "You're just an ignorant fool and you're stupid for not liking Windows Vista."

Just try to keep them out of the Apple Stores, Microsoft, or your ruse is doomed.

* Microsoft's Windows Vista rehab site does state that 22% of those duped were "Apple OS" users at one time or another, we assume - which, we guess, means: Apple DOS users back in the 1980s! Nice try, Microsoft, you weasels."

Below is an absolute must read for you Vista fanboys who think Microshaft is on the right track with this rigged "experiment"

http://wilshipley.com/bl...nt-bad-science-bad.html

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By bigmac

posted Jul 31, 2008 - 8:45 AM

"You're just an ignorant fool and you're stupid for not liking Windows Vista."

Is that any different from you for telling everyone just because you have a computer and Internet connection that...
"You're just an ignorant fool and you're stupid for liking Windows Vista."

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By SlapShot

posted Jul 31, 2008 - 6:09 AM

the only thing that's sad is you

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By aux602

posted Jul 30, 2008 - 9:10 PM

these people get brainwashed or something??

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By internetworld7

posted Jul 30, 2008 - 11:14 PM

Of course they're brainwashed, they're XP and Winblows 2000 users! Why do you think M$ chose this pathetic group of losers.

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By terminalx

posted Jul 31, 2008 - 10:26 AM

Ah...one of these days you will learn the joy of reading...

FTA:

"The people we tested were were a collection of Mac, Linux, and Windows users who have not made the switch yet to Windows Vista," BetaNews was told. "We look forward to showing them on July 29

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By paradigmslost

posted Jul 30, 2008 - 5:29 PM

I am not a fan of M$, but with the largest installed userbase, you have to use their stuff. When vista first came out, had so many issues and then SP1. At the end of the day, for the average user XP is more mature, and supported, easier to support. Where Vista does get a thumbs up from me is when you use the 64bit platform. XP 64bit still sucks, has as many issues as Vista 32bit, but because M$ was trying to make Vista backward compatible, the 64bit version is mostly compatible with a lot of stuff that won't run on XP 64bit. It has its place and the 64bit server 2008 also follows suit.

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By Hollywood__

edited Jul 30, 2008 - 5:06 PM

A year and half of no anti-virus programs with Vista and do you know what a professional deep scan found?

46 cookies.

Can't say the same for XP, which allows anything and everything to change key settings and program features with no warning what so ever.

XP simply blows and you all need to wake up.

By the way, my brother in laws tower is sitting in my basement with a lovely Bonjour trojan that hides all the drive icons and changes your settings so you cant even open your display settings or device manager.

Yes, XP is wonderful. Dumb asses.

p.s. I'm no big fan of Microsoft, I just know something is better when you get screwed with trojans and viruses over and over and with Vista, you don't.

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By gawd21

posted Jul 30, 2008 - 6:51 PM

Well, hmmmmmm. I know a person that we will call a friend; yesterday I had him install a virus scanner for the first time on his 1.5 year old install of Vista Home Premium, 34 viruses in the IE cache alone. Yeah Vista is so much better.

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By Hollywood__

posted Jul 30, 2008 - 11:33 PM

Your freind needs to stop opening attachments and visiting porn sites.

The "viruses" were probably cookies anyways.

He also needs to turn on that feature that lets you decide whether to install those trojans or not. I'm sure he or she turned it off as it's such a nag to get warned of impending doom.

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By internetworld7

edited Jul 30, 2008 - 6:25 PM

And to think, you could have experienced what it was like to have an OS that is not plagued by malware but WITHOUT the bloat and memory hogging LONG before Vista a.k.a. The Mac Rip came along.

Yet you have the nerve to call XP users "Dumb asses" O_o ???

I think you should be kicked in yours while you take a long look in the mirror...

Dumb Ass.

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By Hollywood__

posted Jul 30, 2008 - 11:38 PM

Microsoft knows that 97% of the general population has an IQ less than 100 and can easily be swayed like the dumb a** sheep they are.

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By foxfyre

posted Jul 31, 2008 - 1:48 AM

Such a sad pathetic little fanboy.

First he thinks that BluRay is taking the world by storm, as it hopes, by years end, to surge to 3.6% (12% of the 30% who have HD capable sets according to his figures).
Surge indeed!

And now he touts Vista as the greates OS in history by denouncing evey other release MS has created and by denouncing Windows users - all of who before 2007 were using a MS OS that only "dumb@sses" would use!

So not we learn that MS understands the less than 100 IQ audience and marketplace.

Well, that answers a lot of questions.

Not only do we learn from a Windows fanboy that the the vast majority of Windows users are dumb@sses (as Vista's sales figures suck), but that MS cater to the less than 100 IQ.

Its nice to know that MS products are aimed at the less than 100 IQ crowd, of which you obviously belong - even if the high end of that range is simply wishful thinking on your part.

But it also provides quite a bit of insight as to why so many, after being abused by Windows 3.1, 95, 98, ME, NT, 2000, and XP are not looking seriously ar Linux and OSX.

Obviously this is where the group with IQs above 100 are going.

Enjoy your overprices BR movies, fanboy.

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By preinterpost

posted Jul 31, 2008 - 9:35 AM

Speaking like the true Muppet you are.

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By Hollywood__

posted Jul 30, 2008 - 11:34 PM

Are you some pathetic Mac fanboy? None of the software I use to make a living will work on a Mac, unless Windows is installed.

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By elitegangsta

posted Jul 31, 2008 - 9:36 AM

Bashing people's posts on BetaNews is hardly a career. You obviously didn't know all operating systems have internet access availability. Go flame on some gay pride site or something and stop bashing good technology. Mac, PCs, what have you, they're all tools of the trade.

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By elitegangsta

posted Jul 30, 2008 - 1:59 PM

Huh, Microsoft deceiving people... never would have guessed. Seems that really is the way to get people to like your products.

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By Captain555

posted Jul 30, 2008 - 4:12 PM

Wonder how many people went: "Just like Vista and I hate it", before they where able to find enough people to put that commercial together.

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By cranbers

posted Jul 30, 2008 - 6:14 PM

lmao!

Notice how they specifically found people who never used vista before. Because all know, in about 30 seconds people could of figured it out if they had.

Vista is much improved and the first year of release was a nightmare. Even vista 64 bit is ready for prime time, I have been using it for a few months now for everything and I have had no issues. The driver situtation really has improved 100 percent.

Of course my experience is with 4gb of ram. Choke Vista with 1GB and you are going ot be hurting.

My advice, don't upgrade to vista, if you buy oem machines, hp, dell etc get it with the new computer.

Vista gained its reputation from its initial release, its tough to regain that. Just like a crap company with poor customer service, you can improve it, but the damage has already been done. Better come out with Vista 2.0 and call it that code name for real.

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By Alpha258

edited Jul 30, 2008 - 12:20 PM

>>Windows vista works great and it has a lot a good features.

Pretty GUI effects and better security than XP are two. Name all the other good features then.

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By mjm01010101

posted Jul 30, 2008 - 12:51 PM

Performance information and Tools-->Advanced Tools is worth every single penny of the upgrade.

Too bad the most common issue is driver related.

My biggest gripe with Vista isn't the OS, it is the drivers for the OS. They really suck compared to the maturity of XP drivers. And yeah I've seen a wide range of drivers issues from many manufacturers.

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By Captain555

posted Jul 30, 2008 - 4:10 PM

mjm01010101 said: "Performance information and Tools-->Advanced Tools is worth every single penny of the upgrade."

All those tools are available in freeware and work fine in XP.

So far, I haven't found one single reason, good enough for me to spend $300 on Vista.

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By mjm01010101

posted Jul 30, 2008 - 8:08 PM

XP doesn't have a performance diagnostic or even tell you on the fly what is wrong with performance. I know of no freeware that can reliably analyze performance of a system and tell you exactly the cause of slowdown. Please enlighten, as I do use quite a bit of XP still.

XP's perfmon is crap compared to the revised one in Vista.

The system Health report is incredibly more detailed than any provided by a freeware tool or XP's own tools.

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By Captain555

edited Jul 31, 2008 - 9:44 AM

mjm01010101 said: "Please enlighten, as I do use quite a bit of XP still."

I found many right here on Betanews over the year.

But another great place is Sysinternals, which now reside on a technet section of the Microsoft website. All the tools from Mark Russinovich are there. There are so many, you have to go and try them.

And to help even more, buy Mark's book: "Windows internals". It's the best way to understand how to use his tools.

It apply mostly to Windows XP but lots of it still apply to Vista.

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By gawd21

posted Jul 30, 2008 - 3:20 PM

I don't know if Nvidia will ever create a good driver again. Even the latest drivers for XP are crap; so I don't believe that its just Vista. Creative has never done a good job on their drivers.

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By marctos

posted Jul 30, 2008 - 11:21 AM

I Still remember when XP cames alive that a lot a people says, oh no, stay with win98, its better, XP crashes, XP takes a lot of memory, etc, etc.
Nowadays these people says the same about vista, and That "bad" XP becomes a "good" XP? Weird!
Windows vista works great and it has a lot a good features.

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By thartist

edited Jul 30, 2008 - 4:12 PM

7 years have passed. 7 years mature XP is now. 7 years of hardware advancements. 7 years it's been in the hands of the world. Do you understand now?

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By dingomutt

posted Jul 30, 2008 - 6:39 PM

So in 7 years Vista will be great and the next OS will be crap?

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By Rafel

edited Jul 30, 2008 - 11:07 AM

Since i switched to ubuntu, and Wiindows XP only for my old and great games(NFS IV, NFS V, Flat Out II, Warcraft III, Toca II, Worms world party) i have no problems,hehe.I don't like new games and i'm teacher, i don't need design or video edit programs,hehehe.
I'm not Win hater, but i like very much ubuntu.
I don't need a top end system, i don't want expend a lot of money every year.
I've got more important things to expend my money, and i haven't got a mammy owns to me a new computer :D.
My two PC's(both with P4 3.0MHZ and 2Gb Ram) run fresh and perfect.
If you want visual effects, Linux distro's.

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By terminalx

posted Jul 30, 2008 - 10:56 AM

Hopefully, you are not an English teacher, good god man that was a painful read. hehe

:::Checks topic:::

Hm, look at that it doesn't say Ubuntu in it whatsoever but here you are rambling on and on about it...hehe

I love my kitchenaid toaster it butters my bagels better then any other toaster, hehe

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By Rafel

posted Jul 30, 2008 - 11:22 AM

Not i'm not English teacher, i'm not english native speaker and i speak english very bad.
i owned a laptop 5 months ago(1500€) with Vista, after two months i downgraded to XP because Vista(even with SP1) was a s***.
I hate Vista, and i work with Vista everyday because in my job there are computers with it.
But don't worry, every new Windows system will have a lot of visual effects for "children" and noobs, sidebars, glass efects and a lot of more stupid staff, but with the worst performance.
But you are lucky, although a Mac or Linux have got more performance, even with wors hardware, the greater part of PC's users will own M$ OS because they only listen to music, chat with friends and play games.

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By terminalx

posted Jul 30, 2008 - 1:28 PM

I don't even know where to start...

n00b? really?

Here's a nice tidbit of info for you, running Vista on a apple computer (which is using everyday pc parts but are better quality) actually runs faster then OSX... I know its shocking...

So basically running Vista on a machine designed for it it runs perfectly fine, on hardware not designed, not so much.

Yeah, sounds like you know what you are talking about oh and you use M$ - nice...

Yeah and Linux, OSX has "children" effects as well but don't let that not keep you from making some kind of point about god only knows what...

LOL @ worse hardware Leopard does not play very nice on old hardware but you know keep dreaming

Compiz Fusion also does not play nice on old hardware either but again keep on keeping on...

Alot of PC users also use their pcs for video editing, graphing, and music production too

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By Alpha258

edited Jul 30, 2008 - 7:59 AM

Vista is an ok OS but I still think that XP was better. I hate Vista because it requires so much hardware and yet the performance is just a step above XP.

I find it surprizing that Linux can beat Vista by miles on the same hardware and even on much worse hardware.I ask myself why would I want Vista and I can't come up with any compelling reasons to get it.

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By Rafel

edited Jul 30, 2008 - 11:42 AM

I've got no reasons to get it.

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By terminalx

posted Jul 30, 2008 - 1:39 PM

So you comment on you use it all the time at work and used it on a laptop which you spent 2 months with & now you say there's no reason to get it?

Which is it?

You used it and did not like it or you never have used it because it doesn't offer anything FOR YOU?

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By Pegusis2

posted Jul 30, 2008 - 6:26 AM

Well speaking for myself, I love my Vista. Absolutely no issues with my Vista Ultimate. I'd have to guess that the folks who are not enjoying it are folks who are new to the computer world and have no idea how to use an O/S in the first place. All I am hearing are cry babies going off at MS as usual... probably folks who are nubies to computers and have no idea what a mouse is.

Did some of you whinners want some cheese to go with that?

If you are finding the new O/S too much for your 1992 486 SX, perhaps it's time to upgrade to a newer system, perhaps even a Pentium model of some sort... hint - a Dual Core with at least 2 Gigs of Ram. It's so funny to read the whinners cry for computer help in not so many words.

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By uberfly

posted Jul 30, 2008 - 1:39 AM

I wish MS would just say, "we've heard your concerns and we're hard at work addressing them in the next OS". Instead we get this circus mirror crap shoved at us.

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By terminalx

edited Jul 30, 2008 - 11:01 AM

They are proving a point that Vista is not as bad as everyone makes it out to be and they have stated that Windows 7 will optimize the codebase that was used for Vista and should make for a better experience...

Which I would assume would show up in a second service pack for Vista to make Vista run even smoother.

It runs great on new hardware but old hardware not so much so if you are not planning on buying a newer computer anytime soon, wait for win 7

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By preinterpost

posted Jul 30, 2008 - 7:10 AM

Isn't that precisely what they said about Win7 so far?
Additionally they just seem to be as sick and tired of the Vista whining and misinformation as the rest of us.

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By uberfly

posted Jul 30, 2008 - 6:53 PM

misinformation?

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By foxfyre

posted Jul 30, 2008 - 2:02 AM

Now...now...remember where you are!

That would come dangerously close to making sense...

...and we should all realize that that violates the laws of the universe.

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By foxfyre

edited Jul 29, 2008 - 8:38 PM

I wonder if those MS videos are as convincing as the Video Professor testimonials!

I know as I have all of the Video Professor DVDs! And if Vista is half as good as they are, I can buy the Video Professor Vista DVD too!

Its nice to see MS learning from the best!

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By nate

posted Jul 29, 2008 - 9:28 PM

Do you have the eBay ones? Are you rich yet?

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By foxfyre

posted Jul 30, 2008 - 2:00 AM

Independently wealthy!
Thanks for asking!

...How else would I have the time to frequent this site like so many other IT industry experts whose expertise is predicated upon their owning a rad gaming rig while living at home with their parents?

;-)

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By preinterpost

posted Jul 30, 2008 - 12:10 PM

"Independently wealthy!"

Such as your mum raised your pocked money by 5 bucks a month for washing her car?

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By foxfyre

edited Jul 31, 2008 - 3:10 AM

Only a Euro socialist too ashamed to allow the mention of his genocidal hetitage would interpret the word "independently: to imply dependence on someone else. But old habits die hard for someone who cannot function without the state playing mommy to him.

But at least his analogies are consistent, for you see, to his mind, he is dependent both upon the government and woman who nurtured him as he refers to all as "mum".

After all, what can provide greater independence to a genocidal socialist than to have the state as mommy?

Now, if you can just get a grip on the meaning of the term "independently".

Say "hi" to the Jews, Roma and Arabs as you proudly drive by their pogroms as you celebrate your accomplishments and refuse to acknowledgment the overwhelming successes of the Euro genocides...and be thankful that you have the benefit of the seized Jewish gold to fund your state initiatives.

And just think, maybe you can build a new amusement park in Srebrenitsa. Especially now that you needed worry about houses and civilians getting in the way.

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By preinterpost

posted Jul 31, 2008 - 9:46 AM

Foxy the Muppet at it again.

To make this clear. Neither me nor anyone else with a life has time to read more than the 1st sentence of your pamphlets. Anything else is lost.

Now about that sentence - If you dumb**** knew about my heritage, had any clue besides knowing how to talk out of your a** and any integrity you would be very very ashamed of these infantile insults. Do you realize that this heritage you ****head insult is shared by Jews, Roma and Arabs? But since you are so proud of your nations achievements? How about booking your next holiday in Vietnam to burn a couple more children or blow up a couple of weddings in Iraq.

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By pfg

edited Jul 29, 2008 - 8:32 PM

The so called "Mojave Experiment" is a good example of social engineering. Although it's interesting for social sciences studies, still it's ridiculous and bearish. I think (M)Someone is very anxious... They believe that there was a bad marketing policy for the product and they try to prove this statement with the "Mojave (we have a big stock of vista to get rid of) experiment". I want to believe that someone told the "subjects-in-the-experiment":

- Heloooooo, the demo wasn't even interactive!!

So what the heck, is there any conspiracy behind the vista failure? Of course not, but we have to be fair. Vista has a unique advantage among all the other operating systems. It truly encourages you to try another OS!

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By Floodland

posted Jul 31, 2008 - 12:56 PM

Right on the spot...
Nobody though it? Much discussion without noting something as simple as pfg pointed?

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By GhoS

posted Jul 29, 2008 - 6:00 PM

I think a lot of commenters are dissing this they have been around pc's awhile and visit a tech oriented site like Betanews.
What they are forgetting is that most people don't know the difference between IE and Firefox, they use Outlook Express because it came with the PC not because its the best and they use Windows Media Player again because it came with the OS. These same people MS used in the experiment usually have a buttload of icons on the desktop as they have no idea how to use favorites/bookmarks or how to organize their start menu.
So I think its completely plausible to be "fooled" here since many people go by hype and so if they hear Vista is bad, they agree with it, even though they haven't used it.
I use Vista and it works beautifully, though admit Linux works better but its not for the average user yet.

Also someone commented that sheeple buy ipods and I totally agree. Sheeple buy it because everyone else has one, well I don't and I don't miss it. I have far more freedom with my Meizu than the closed off ipod.

But it all boils down to that MS did a poor job marketing Vista and those who didn't care for it did a better job spreading the word.

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By ingram091

posted Jul 29, 2008 - 6:22 PM

Point exactly. The average computer end user would not know the difference anyway. I'm 100% sure if they did the EXACT same thing with Windows XP MCE SP3 and had all the 3rd party upgrades installed as I and many others do, they would get the EXACT same reaction. Hell even it they did it with Linux with it configured properly, and had all the software installed for it.

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By internetworld7

posted Jul 29, 2008 - 6:00 PM

Nice try Microshaft but we all know your OS is a Mac rip and IT'S STILL INCREDIBLY SLOW AND BLOATED! No amount of lame videos will change that REALITY.

Heres all you need to know:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=vHK8Irb3P5E

http://youtube.com/watch?v=MDNuq94Zg_8

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By preinterpost

posted Jul 30, 2008 - 7:15 AM

Ok, fine, it's a rip (whatever you say...). MSFT just took it and made it better.

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By gawd21

edited Jul 30, 2008 - 3:27 PM

OMG that was so funny. There was only one feature that was even useful in the "Why Leopard is Better Than Vista" and the faggot in the other was retarded, picking out only a few minor crappy features. Like Linux has a Menu bar so it must be stolen from Microsoft. I hate retarded people like you. Yes, I don't care to much for Vista, and I don't feel that it has or will do much for the computing world, but I am not going to make crap up like in those videos, to bash it.

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By Stormprobe

posted Jul 29, 2008 - 9:29 PM

Vista may be bad, but the Mac OS is worse.

And those Mac commercials, OMG, they are aimed at imbeciles and the Mac people eat it up like candy. rofl

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By internetworld7

posted Jul 29, 2008 - 9:27 PM

Careful with using the word "faggot". There are several of them here, like PC_Tool, termanlx, cesscam66, fewt and Program86 that will take great offense to that.

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By fewt

posted Jul 29, 2008 - 11:02 PM

Wow, really? you mean all these men met your mom too?

I guess none of us stuck around long enough to tell you that your mom scaring us gay was actually just a joke. I mean, I shiver and get chills over the very thought of the memory of seeing her naked, but well I guess if you are with that many men..

Sorry, I really honestly thought you knew we weren't serious about that.

Damn, I'll be more careful, didn't realize you were so sensitive.

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By cescam66

edited Jul 30, 2008 - 10:13 PM

yeah dude i met his mom.... GROSS!

but hey if he's calling us all "faggots" then he must be a faggot =]

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By preinterpost

posted Jul 30, 2008 - 7:18 AM

hehe

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By terminalx

posted Jul 29, 2008 - 10:13 PM

So, we have resorted to being 7 again, I cannot for the life of me figure out why you troll message boards on a product you have no clue about and blindly worship another that you don't even use.

I guess starting "fights" on message boards is your brand of humor.

You contribute NOTHING to this forum, not a single thing have you ever said is coherent nor does it have any truth, you are a troll plain and simple using pathetic insults as well.

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By Kompressor

posted Jul 29, 2008 - 4:07 PM

Haha, look at the people in those videos. A bunch of old AOL farts that hardly ever use computers.

Where are the vids of the young people that know computers? Oh, they are the ones that hated Vista.

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By thartist

posted Jul 30, 2008 - 4:21 PM

LOOOOOOOOOL!!!!! :D That was very funny and pretty much says it all!

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By Ethelred

posted Jul 29, 2008 - 10:09 PM

"Where are the vids of the young people that know computers?"

The ones that keep infecting their parents PCs by using Limewire? Those young ones?

Sorry but the expectations for a tech savvy youth have been much overstated. Yes there are more computer geeks amongst those under 30 but its just not up to expectations. Or even the claims of some readers of BetaNews.

Vista a bit of a disapointment. Even to MS from reading between the lines. However it isn't the ME level botch many here claim. Most of that is coming from people that never even used ME. That don't remember the problems with XP. Vista was bound to have more than XP though because of the attempt to end the bad habits of users and programmers that had everyone an administrator.

Tech savvy people are still fairly rare. Some even like Vista. Some still use Windows 2000. Its partly a matter of taste.

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By fewt

posted Jul 29, 2008 - 3:36 PM

Hmm, lets take customers that already don't like our product, lie and deceive them to think that it's a different product and then see if they like it.

At least they come clean at the end.

All this advertising does is admit that Vista has really really bad mindshare, and show that Microsoft isn't against using deception in it's spin. It doesn't really solve anything.

Unfortunately.

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By terminalx

posted Jul 29, 2008 - 3:59 PM

FTA

"The people we tested were were a collection of Mac, Linux, and Windows users who have not made the switch yet to Windows Vista," BetaNews was told. "We look forward to showing them on July 29"

It sounds like its people who only heard about Vista, I could be wrong but thats the impression I get, so they aren't deceiving really. As I previously stated I'd call it more of a social experiment to show how someone's comments affect how someone else who has not seen the product before would follow blinding with the small pack of naysayers.

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By fewt

posted Jul 29, 2008 - 4:03 PM

So, it proves that sheeple are sheeple?

;-)

haha

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By terminalx

posted Jul 29, 2008 - 4:35 PM

see IPOD to further prove that sheeple are sheeple :D

Not saying its a bad device (I own two but because it syncs up with my car)

If it didn't I wouldn't bother with it.

But mp3 player is synomous with ipod

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By gawd21

posted Jul 29, 2008 - 4:33 PM

"sheeple" I love the name!

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By AntiochMedia

posted Jul 29, 2008 - 3:27 PM

Microsoft should be careful. These ads could easily work against them if Apple chooses to make a mock ad.

I think that Microsoft would be more wise to plan a refresh of Vista including a UI refresh and a catchy name like 'Vista: Reloaded' and make sure to increase the wow factor while addressing issues, rolling in the security updates, and including more built-in value software -- meaning, something comparable to iLife.

They could even rename Vista as someone else here mentioned. Lord knows that AT&T/Cingular and other companies conduct rebrandings regularly for one reason or other - it gives them an opportunity to drop the baggage that their name may have established and re-enter the marketplace stronger.

For a large company such as Microsoft, I do not understand why such an initiative would be difficult. It's similar to the precident that Apple sets in its release cycles. Apple doesn't rebuild OSX from scratch with each release - and Microsoft doesn't need to either.

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By internetworld7

posted Jul 29, 2008 - 6:05 PM

It doesn't matter what Microshaft decides to call it, at the end of the day it is still a slow, sluggish, bloated Mac rip. O_o

Why not experience the real thing and get a Mac? Nothing compares with the Mac experience.

http://www.apple.com/edu...profiles/wisconsinvideo/

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By bobthegoat2001

posted Jul 29, 2008 - 11:55 PM

Spend more money to not be able to play my games. Sure! O_o

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By cescam66

posted Jul 29, 2008 - 8:31 PM

Mac rip? HA HA if it was a rip then it wouldnt have the "NT" kernel pendejo de mierda

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By periklo

posted Jul 29, 2008 - 3:26 PM

It is really cool, they have some really neat videos, and I saw a taleban and a rastafarian.
Really cool.

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By nlevitas

edited Jul 29, 2008 - 3:18 PM

This is not about Vista bashing. I use XP. I would prefer to shift to a new more secure interface with shorter "getting used to" period. Vista takes a couple of more steps or an OK to warning than an XP or Mac. Sometimes, even while typing, an unusual disk dump freezes the computers for a second or two. Everything opens slower on Vista. On network relations, even with SP1, unless you use Windows 2008 Server, copying moving files are slower. We were expecting some compatibility issues, newer hardware requirements. What we were not expecting are slower responses and the most annoying interface even with a new hardware. Intel, as a company is skipping this generation of Windows. I experienced all OS. XP, Vista, Mac, Redhat. I play with VMWare. I personally use XP but if I would change, I would change to a MAC. It is responsive even with that eyecandy interface. Leaner code. Everything is snappy. I do most tasks going through less steps than Vista. Reality check guys. Instead of these experiments, they need leaner code. They should spend their resources on that. Admit it. Vista sucked big time, we made a mistake like ME. Windows 7.0 will be faster and leaner. But no, spends oodles of money on a sinking ship. Tell everybody that Vista's kernel will not change and will be a basis for Windows 7. An that will be on 2009-2010.

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By internetworld7

posted Jul 29, 2008 - 6:09 PM

"... but if I would change, I would change to a MAC."

Smart man (or woman). Follow your hearts TRUE desire. Don't live in miserable self denial like most here. You can never go wrong with a Mac. ^__^

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By Fidelio

posted Jul 29, 2008 - 4:51 PM

"I would prefer to shift to a new more secure interface"

Man, that's what Vista is compared with XP...

Awesome.

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By terminalx

posted Jul 29, 2008 - 3:28 PM

LOL!

"This is not about Vista bashing"

Then you proceed to go on and bash it. Awesome

You only get an ok warning when you changing something that could affect the system, basic tasks do not require this. The average user will hardly see it.

I will concede it was slower at first but since sp1 it moves just as fast as XP with copying (including over a network)

You would change to a media access control? as I am sure you aware capitalizing it means a MAC address and not Apple.

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By internetworld7

posted Jul 29, 2008 - 6:15 PM

Stop hating and congratulate this man for being FAR more intelligent than you and wanting a Mac.

You truly are a token M$ fanboy loser.

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By terminalx

posted Jul 29, 2008 - 8:28 PM

Hi meet reality, reality meet troll..

Hi internetworld7!

Yeah, you need to learn how to READ as there is nothing even pertaining to a fanboy.

I pulled FACTS, not made up results pulled from thin air and as we have discussed you don't probably use either as no one is that moronic...

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By terminalx

posted Jul 29, 2008 - 3:00 PM

The point that the MS bashers are missing (I know I am surprised as you are) Is they are going by on the people who "heard" about Vista but probably never touched it.

In a way you could say MS is conducting their own social experiment to show how word of mouth and inaccuracies can hinder a product.

FTA:

The people we tested were were a collection of Mac, Linux, and Windows users who have not made the switch yet to Windows Vista," BetaNews was told. "We look forward to showing them on July 29

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By ingram091

posted Jul 29, 2008 - 2:46 PM

decide for yourself? Yea SUCKER!!! Thanks for your money!!! The decide for yourself mentality is exactly what MS wants. It means you went out and got it and now guess what? you can't return it.

Sorry but they need to do this with some people that actually KNOW more about a computer then how to turn it on and get their email.

Like I said before Vista is Fine for NEW equipment in 64 bit. Otherwise don't bother wasting your time and money trying to get your 2005-2007 32 bit Pent4 or dual Xeon machines running it.

Vista should have been for 64bit only and Bingo all the problems disappear... Why? Cause gee wiz its all new equipment which Vista was specifically DESIGNED to be used on.

As to the other BS that MS tried pulling pre SP1, Well they figured out people do not like processes calling home all the time eating up resources, and they did significant tweaks to the DRM infrastructure, and activation crippling system to prevent the outbreak of problems that happened last year. So while it Still happens, it is not as resource bloating as it was prior.

And the driver issue, well MS just basically figures wait long enough and everything thats not compatible is legacy anyway so why should it matter to them. Force you to go out and get new equipment JUST for Vista. Thats what they want, thats what the industry wants. the only person that does not want that is the consumer. But they do not matter anyway. Oh look here is another pretty picture to distract you.

Oh I also find it interesting they are displaying a PicLens screen for the videos implying THAT is a defualt feature from MICROSOFT. When in reality that patent is CoolIris, and can run on even windows 2000.

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By BarneyR

posted Jul 29, 2008 - 5:20 PM

"Like I said before Vista is Fine for NEW equipment in 64 bit. Otherwise don't bother wasting your time and money trying to get your 2005-2007 32 bit Pent4 or dual Xeon machines running it.

Vista should have been for 64bit only"

Absolutely clueless.

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By terminalx

posted Jul 29, 2008 - 3:20 PM

I have no clue about this DRM you speak of...

Vista has built in SUPPORT for it, it does not DRM any of the files nor does it prevent you from putting illegal software or music on your pc since day 1 it has functioned this way.

The calling home feature is something the user would agree to the experience program I believe is what its called, you don't have to say yes...

The driver issue is on MS and the manufacturer,by your logi we should complain to Apple why I can't use such and such.

We should also complain to Linux why such and such does not work either.

You complain to the manufacturer of the device its not like they haven't had time.

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