i'm getting the following error after the setup files have loaded and the system has rebooted to start installing.

"setup cannot load the keyboard layout file KBDUS.DLL, setup cannot continue"
so i tried to canada one. no luck, any ideas?

okay...you illegally download and try to install a warez copy of a beta operating system and you want SUPPORT FOR IT?! are you ****ing stupid or what?

if you're having problems..wait for the release version and go buy it -- if it doesn't work..call tech supp.

stupid? hardly. either you work for ms or can't get a copy of whistler. other people in the "scene" help each other out if they have problems. in this case, i downloaded the newer 2410 and that seemed to solve my problem.

Can someone tell me where there are some good warez sites? Ones that don't have 10 pages of porno to one page of software????

Thanks!

Just curious, has anyone been able to get ANY AntiVirus program to run on Whistler. I have tried Norton and McAfee with no success. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.

I currently have win2k running on my system and I was wondering if it is possible to run whistler along side it without any problems?

Thanks.

I'm doing the same thing. I have Windows 2000 on one partition and Whistler on the other. It works fine and I haven't had any problems with it.

I actually have win2K pro and whystler on my computer and I don't have anytrouble.
you juste have to install whistler in another partition

This Build is by far the best, I have a Athlon T-bird 750@900 w/128mb PC133 cas2 SDRAM, and this is the first build it runs fast on, I mean completely smooth. ok, alot of people want to know whats so special about whistler, why they should switch from win2k.

Well 1st It can run windows 95, and NT4 Programs, or at least it will before it goes final :)

2nd, isn't the first reason enough? Seriously though, If you have a network, you will love the ability to logon to any computer from any other.

3rd, The GUI. Not just the skining, which runs very well. but many features, such as:
Grouping of similar items on taskbar
New improved ability to lock the taskbar (IE6 bars too).
many minot visual improvements

4th new options, optimizations, and customizability. Such as "optimize memory for system cache" any many misc custimizabiltys.

I haven't seen one compelling argument as to why I NEED Whistler. I am seeing reasons to why I shouldn't upgrade (more "anti-privacy" BS from MS)... Who needs IE6 anyway? Are websites going to load any faster? Will it use less memory? I'm satisfied with W2K for the time being.

well if your a warez dude like 99.99% of all people running whistler now, you upgrade because it costs nothing :)

I would hope that my time is worth more than beta-testing MS software for free

your not testing for them if you disable bug reporting (which is enabled by default)

Warez? Where are some warez sites? I did a search, but 90% is porno..lol.
Help!

Has anyone play Quake 3 , Elite Force Voyager , American McGee's Alice in Whistler 2410

How well do they run in Whistler 2410??
How Fast of Is the FPS in Whistler 2410??

Frames Per Second |||

Thats the heading of an email sended to me from a friend talking about the new Microsoft Whistler 2410. The thing is that this OS becomes an anti-piracy software...well I thinks thats fine "hip hip hurray for MS! What they're are not saying is that this new "Whistler" sends your private information (all what's inside your HD) to MS servers!!! And I think this is not funny. For me its a violation of our privacy.
I'm posting this message just to share with you the email I get today and for all of you who got the beta verify if this is true or just a kid story.

I hope your friends are using high strength fiahing line because they have really reeled in a big one. Ask yourself this, does anyone really give a rats a** what's on YOUR hard drive? Are there systems that can analyze the amount of information culled from hundreds of thousands of hard drives containing on average of 10-20GB each? Where do people come up wth stories like this? My recommendation, get new friends.

Hi I think that is should go open-source like mandrake Linux 7.2
SO what do you think after all the peoples Opinings do mater to Microsoft Don't they .Look at all the progress like is making the newest kernel 2.4 is out and it has more than one shell and is more stable than windows 98 etc..
I mean People do not want to pay for Beta Software but they do what to stay up todate with software
the web site for mandrake is www.linux-mandrake.com and you can download an image of it and write it too a CD-ROM RW etc..

The ONLY PROBLEM LINUX HAS IS THAT WINMODEMS DO NOT WORK UNDER LINUX JUST BECAUSE THEY USE WINDOWS ONLY SOFTWARE WHICH IS NOT COOL FOR ANYONE WHICH HAS WINMODEM and has to keep Windows 98 etc.. on there system just to go online and then to download linux etc.. stuff and copy it from the windows hard drive to the linux hard drive just and it makes playing Quake 3 etc .. games on the net in Linux inpossible .THE games will run great in linux but what do does that do YOU if YOU have to BE in Windows to go online and I will not even talk about the fact to if you use MSN Connect and think you are going to even find a Linux Version of that and will have to edit a LOT of things to get that to work in Linux but on the bright side of things least Linux does not EAT memory like Windows and does not have the BLUE SCREEN OF DEATH A LOT and has less BUGS than Windows and will they ever give Windows 98 patches to remove the dos code from there computers to make windows run faster ?? I no that they did it in Whistler version BUT AGAIN WHO WHATS TO PAY FOR PATCHES OR UPGRADES THAT SHOULD OF BEEN IN WINDOWS IN THE FIRST PLACE

IF WINDOWS WAS OPEN-SOURCE THEN THESE THINGS MAY NOT BE AS BAD AS THEY ARE

First, have you EVER heard of a period(.)?

Second, there are a couple alternatives to Windows98, you have to keep in mind that Win98 is not at all the latest OS, you have WinMe (which, if your hardware is supported, it runs perfectly), and Win2k (which is even better than WinMe for what I do, but it's not exactly geared towards the consumer), and then now, we are testing Whistler, which is just phenominal.

You Linux idiots suck.

That's all there is to it.

ok,come on, whats so special about whistler thats its phenomenal ?
why has it a c:\windows folder ? thats crap. this causes a lot of difficulties with win2k drivers.
what about the antipiracy-thing ? this is a clear offensive against
all the users who pay for their software.
beside of all the "nice stuff" ,its nothing more than an upgrade
with no real innovations......

Where can i download this program ?? Answer please !!!!

Please e-mail me the adress phakki@hotmail.com

become a beta tester and MS will let you in on all the download site secrets...

Where can i download this program ?? Answer please !!!!

i just hope whistler will be as stable as win2000

Yup, it is. The good thing is that games have improved performance over win2k, but the stability is the same.

*SIGH*.. still doesn't work with Promise RAID cards. During installation it gives you some sort of FAT error and just aborts. I really thought this would have been fixed in the new beta but it isn't. Funny that Windows 2K doesn't have this problem and they share the same driver. Oh well.. maybe in Beta 2.

I wish that MS includes a new feature for IE. I've written them several times before and never seen this feature implemented.
I usually have several explorer windows open and view different pages. However, with other apps open, my taskbar quickly gets cluttered and I have to sift through to get the window I want. I would like to see a "minimize" button for each page you view. This way, you can have one IE open, but you can have several web pages open at the same time. It would be a matter of minimizing or maximizing, etc. Sort of like in photoshop. You can have multiple photos open and switch between any photo you like. You do not need to open 4 different photoshops for example.

You should take a look at Opera. It does what you want.

They have put in taskbar grouping, so when your taskbar gets cluttered, it starts grouping similar instances of the same program, from which point, when you click on the item on the taskbar, it gives you a vertical list of all the pages.

MDI windows for IE?

are you insane?

one URL: www.NetCaptor.com

so basically you want a program that tabs pages in IE? go to download.com and search for one, ive seen them there.

For those people trying to get the latest beta from Whistler and own the Asus A7V motherboard... BEWARE!!!

Any PS2 connected devices will fail to work in Whistler 2410 with this motherboard. My keyboard which is also from MS and works fine in other OSes would not work and its impossible to register and logon with Whistler w/o a keyboard. So beware!!!

Yeah, but you can enable them manually...

Just go into Device Manager, right click on the keyboard, hit update driver, tell it that you want to install yer own driver, and then just use the default thing there, and hit yes on the dialog that comes up.

Yes, but that only works when upgrading from Windows 2000 with auto login enabled. With out auto login you can't even login without a password...

I have a similar problem, I get to logon screen and I cant type the password, on my msi k7t-pro2 I think I found the problem though, I have 2 hardware devices on the same IRQ as my keyboard, IRQ9, I dont have drivers for them so I cant change there IRQ yet.

Well... with Personal, there is no password by default for the user, you have to actually go in and specify one... so, that works.

You can also fix this by disabling the USB Legacy Support in your BIOS.

I found a way to get the keyboard to work on startup, without messing with drivers. while 2410 is loading, repeatedly tap the num lock on and off, even if it doesnt light don't stop! you will find that once your in windows the light goes on and off agien and the keyboard works. yes its annoying, but it works. - good for first bootup.

when is it gunna be out

Here are some screen shots of internet explorer 6.0 new features and such i took these myself :)
http://dcemulation.emuunlim.com/whistler/

I was looking at your Windows "Whistler" ss'. Anyhow, I noticed in one of your shots, it says "Microsoft Windows 2000 Advance Server"?
What is that? And IE6 looks primo - I love IE over Netscape by far

The copy I had was called Whistler Advanced Server Additon dont ask me why. But I guess I lived with it :)

REQUEST!!

Please post/email some URL's for latest beta's!! Or email SRoTC@Hotmail.Com to discuss trades (ie. U give site 4 whistler &
i give u site for (to be discussed-apps,games,pron,mp3,etc))

Could someone please let me know where I can get a working copy of Whistler Beta....Don't care what version it is.....Any links would be great....Cheers Aide.

Join the Microsoft Whistler beta team.

This is all over warez sites how could you not find it?:P Anyways its not worth the look or the download It is dog slow, at least it was for me. I ran it on 4 diff machines and it sucked on all of them. It looked promising but just too slow to be worthy for me. Just my two cents.

runs plenty fast on my p3 733 w/ 256 megs of pc133

Excuse me but what the hell does your computer have to do with everyone else?

I for 1 dont want a NDA broke here but, all I can say is it is an awsome OS I only had 1 problem with it and it was a network printer. Whistler is 1 if not the fastest MS Operating System I have ever worked on. and I am running some hard core apps on it. Can't wait til Final.

Has anybody tried this build 2410?
What are these "advanced security" features ??

I haven't seen any "advanced security" features, at least, if I did, I didn't notice it.... but they are probably there, even then, I would not be able to discuss what they are.

the only security features i've noticed are if you go into network connections and right click your internet connection, click the advanced tab and check secure my internet connection. other than that. i noticed this build boots faster but runs slower once in windows? beta 1 ran great. i only wish the compatibility mode emulation was more advanced. for example, when trying to run a windows 95 program (using windows 95 compatibility mode for that program alone) that accesses the cd-rom drive, it doesn't know how to in whistler. i have gotten some programs that should have no reason not to run on whistler, run on whistler. like, they would not do anything when you double clicked the executable (as if you hadn't at all). at least with the emulation enabled, the programs start and give some error. to see what i mean, http://boards.psxemu.com...p;TID=357&SID=16385

Might be the new anti-piracy system that this site mentions:

http://www.wininformant.com/display.asp?ID=3043

Re: Join the Whistler Beta TEAM!

how?

Ehh.. boots faster ?

My Windows 2000 Server boots faster than whistler!

If you have all the crappy effects on in Whistler it suckz processor like crazy!

It actually runs better on my dual Celeron 523 Mhz than it does on my Athlon 1gigahz

Guess it needs 1 processor for all the crappy effects and 1 for the rest..

Btw. was the first things i turned of!

Become a member of No-nags. For 30 bucks you get a lifetime membership AND access to M$ beta releases. We like it.

can't wait for the official beta 2 to come out!!!

I'm interested in the NoNags thing. I looked at their site and it doesn't mention access to MS betas specifically. Is there anything on their site that verifies that? I would be willing to join merely for the access to the betas if they are truely availably. Thanks!

the same way you apply for any other Microsoft beta test. Send a blank e-mail to betareq@microsoft.com, then follow the instructions.

i would like a beta versoin of Whistler for tesqting

If your Win2k Server boots faster than Whistler, then there is something seriously wrong with your Whistler....

For me, with Active Directory, Win2k Server boots up in about 10mins, Whistler takes about 45secs.

Another thing, build 2410 certainly isn't dog slow for me, it runs VERY well... maybe you need to think for a second, and put more RAM in it, keep in mind that it has tons of debug code, and stuff just isn't tweaked yet.

well its there, I have saved the page where its shown but its only found in the members section, there is apparently NO mention of it in the literature you can read before you sign up and pay your cash.

here is the HTML for it...and I assure you, I don't have a clue how to do HTML hehehehe

NONAGS

hope this eases your mind.

oh well, I tried.

Wouldn't We All :(

If your Win2k Server is taking 10 minutes to boot up then there is something SERIOUSLY wrong it. And I mean SERIOUSLY.

Yes, Windows 2000 Server generally boots faster than Whistler... Don't kid yourself.

Windows NT/2000 Server: The illusion of security and stability.

My Netware 5.0 server at home, a P200-MMX, 160MB, 30Gig volume, boots within 1.5 minutes. (Including NDS, Tobit Faxware, DHCP-services, DNS-services, etc etc etc, and only taking 22mb for the whole OS and services in memory, the other 140mb is file-cache. Eat that M$!)

You really want to do a Beta OS?

It was once said by someone that the Beta's of M$, are better called Alpha's.

Most (not all) of the MS test-releases have confirmed this statement.

actually, they MAY be the built-in firewalling program, but that's not new to build 2410.

Uhhh... have you ever actually USED Win2k Server, and not as a stand-alone type thing? I use it, and when you using Active Directory, it takes a long time for it to boot (ok, so it's not ten minutes, but it's a lot longer than Whistler, in general, I haven't run Whistler Server)

The security and stability part certainly isn't an illusion. Of course Netware 5 is so much smaller... Netware 5 also came out quite a bit before Win2k, as well as Win2k has a lot of hidden features, which are basically being pulled out in Whistler, along with a bunch of other things added.

Oh BS, I use the beta OS's for my everyday stuff. it works great.

thx d00d

even better yet, NO NAGS has build 2410 pro up for downloading to all members!

*giggles* and watches linux boot in 30 seconds

i can confirm that this site has the build if you pay the money. this is crazy. call me a wimp, but i will avoid d/l whistler from this site in fear that they can provide my information via a court order if ms sought the information in much the same way that metalica obtained users of napster.

...And for the extra money you spent on Netware 5.0 (assuming you didn't pirate it) you could've upgraded the processor and RAM, and had an overall faster system running Windows 2000 Server.

Ya i'm using Whistler Beta 1 Build 2296

It's relatively stable, considering it's a beta

i put alotta apps on it and have all the fancy stuff on it and i have a 500mhz p3

it's not bad i'm just waiting for official beta 2

Its the 3rd whistler beta i try the 1st wouldnt even install, the 2nd wouldnt run, but this time the 2410 work great. I just have one thing to say its to freakin user-friendly =)

Can you still apply?

I got ahold of the Whistler Personal Preview Edition. It has been pretty good so far. I would have to commend Microsoft on this one.
But I am still stuck on Linux.

Good try.

What's the deal with the NoNags offer? Are they in some sort of deal with Microsoft? There would be no point paying that money if it's an unauthorised copy that refuses to work after 30 days (because of the new copy protection system).

the "advanced security features" are simply to *attempt* prevent piracy. and without further delay, here's how to disable the advanced features:

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WHISTLER 2410 CRACKS by shinebox
Courtesy of #winwhistler and Uncle Bill

DISCLAIMER: Nothing is guaranteed to work and if you choose to do this, it is at your own behest.

Here's some stuff you need to know before running Whistler 2410 Pro:

1)Before beginning your install, make *sure* you are not
connected to the network. Unplug your CAT5 from your Nic card, and
wait until you are done.

2)DO NOT use dynamic update when Install asks you if you want to do
this.

3)Once you have finished your install and boot Whistler for the first
time, you will go through a registration-type screen.
One of the steps asks you to set up your internet connection.

* Select your network connection
* Click NEXT
* You will have a choice to click next or to Skip. CLICK NEXT.
this will cause the wizard to crash. Click OK.

4) Click Start-Run- and in the dialog box type this EXACTLY:

regsvr32.exe -u regwizc.dll

You will see a confirmation window appear. Close it

5) Open Regedit by doing Start-Run-regedit

6) Under HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\WindowsNT\CurrentVersion
change RegDone value to 1

7) Open Internet Explorer. Open the Tools-Internet Options dialogb box.
Change the default Home Page to something OTHER
than what is there, just NOT Microsoft or MSN. Click APPLY and OK.

8) Reboot your system. Before Windows starts up, plug your network
connection back in.

You should be good to go. Whistler 2410 Pro will run cleanly as far as I can tell
for quite some time.

taken from: http://www.milnephotogra...oo/whistler_cracks.html

it's pretty damn easy to get around the new anti-piracy s***

Ofcourse you can use the beta os's everyday. That's not what I'm talking about.
I'm talking about this : Win95-Osr1 Beta was slow/buggy. Osr2-Beta, better but still crappy. Win98 Beta (coded : memphis), one hell of a crap. Windows NT 5.0 (pre Win2K) beta's, one big pile of crap.

THAT's what i'm saying. Ok, I have to admit, the beta of MS-DOS 5 runned very well and the early versions of MS-OS/2 runned also nice, for that time.