I'm seeing much persons are using the new version of Mozilla Firefox and have a good opinion about this new Browser. there're persons that haven't the same opinion. Well We could be agree about a point. IE and MFireFox aren't perfect 100%. but between both. What Browser is more secure? What Browser is vulnerable to Spywares and Popup? What Browser need to fix problems with holes of security? It is Clear that IE would lose this battle of Browsers. I've been using IE during much time. I've spent my time fixing my OS and trying to feel me more secure when I was using IE. But after I installed and used the new version of Mozilla Firefox I asked myself : Why I should use IE if with this new browser I won't worry about the problems of the past? without no doubt Mozilla Firefox won.

While Microsoft is caring their businesses. I'm taking off their Browser.

I switched to Mozilla Firefox because I had a lot of problems with spyware and popup ads in Internet Explorer. I am also concerned about security and when I was hearing all those reports about security holes in IE I decided to switch. And this was one of my best decisions. Firefox is fast, secure and has a lot of features I would now miss a lot in other browsers. It is also great that it is almost immidiately available in my mother language too. Oh and it is very nice to have the same browser also available in Linux too. Thanks to Mozilla team and all others that are bringing us this awsome browser for free.

I have used MOZILLA and then FIREFOX when it first came out and I must say that each upgrade has increased performance and stability.
Unlike I.E it doesn’t corrupt your computer with annoying pop-ups and spy ware.
Some say that "some" sites don't load with FIREFOX, well that’s because those are Microsoft’s sites which have been especially made not to work with FIREFOX/NETSCAPE.
Apart from that, FIREFOX looks better, is fully customizable and each and every webpage looks and feels better.

In conclusion: Comparing I.E to FIREFOX is like comparing a Hyundai to a Rolce Royce.

I think it's fair to say that yes, it may be true, IE is faster to load on startup. Other than that well that's it. What’s happening with IE 7.0 anyway? I mean, since Microsoft won the browser battle against Netscape back in 1998 there hasn’t been any significant changes to IE. Don’t get me wrong though, I do believe IE 6 is a great browser but now there’s a new contender in the ring! Its name is Firefox and it’s bringing cold sweat to Microsoft! I myself been using Firefox since “v0.whatever” and it’s a very nice alternative and got better and better over time too. Now it’s equal, if not surpassing, IE in terms of performance (page load) and compatibility. As for your Security questions well it’s obvious that it’s currently much more secure to browse the web using Firefox.

So, do yourself a favor, join the revolution, just shut up and put with the little bugs here and there and promote Mozilla Firefox! It’s time to grab some market share and fight the system, shall we?!!

You say "It's Obvious it's more secure than IE.", it's not obvious at all, there have been plenty of Firefox security flaws discovered recently, and this is before hackers have even started to target it. It's still got the growing up period to go through. It may be that it simply falls apart due to so many security exploits discovered. Who knows???

You just have to keep in mind that when their were numerous security flaws in firefox, firefox was still in beta, unlike IE which, since being a complete product, had, and continues to have security flaws.

It's really too early to judge FF in concerns with security. Now that it's out of beta, is when the real test begins, since FF would now be considered, in a way, a "completed" project.

I did say CURRENTLY it's more secure to use Firefox ;-)

Now its time to uninstall IE.
Firefox kicks azz! Thanks for all developers help creating firefox!

I'm getting tired reading how fast and stable is Firefox. Unfortunately my own experience isn't that good...

After installed 1.0 i've tweaked its settings to max, and used it in parallel with IE6 (WinXP-sp2). Using stopwatch, i couldn't find a single website that renders faster in FF than with IE6. Besides that, many sites could not even render correctly with Firefox.

Things i liked are tabs and other minor ergonomic features. BTW i hate extensions, don't want experimental buggy and unstable code in my setups.

Your test is not really a good indication of firefox's rendering speed. The rendering speed of a browser is best tested using a local file, since the speed of page display is also largely affected by the Internet traffic. You can try a CSS heavy page and see how well IE fares.

On my computer, IE freezes whenever it encounters a graphics/CSS heavy page. While my computer is quite old, firefox seems to fare much better with those kinds of sites.

For page compatibility, firefox seems to render almost all websites well. This is even true for Microsoft sites. Download Firefox (www.getfirefox.com) and go to hotmail.com or even microsoft.com. Note that MSN pages often send different versions of its page for different browsers to make it appear that a browser cannot render their pages well (and that had once sparkled the Opera controversy)

For extensions, they are not expirimental codes (almost all of them are coded with javascript, an interpreted language! So they really can't cause browser crash). TBE (Tabbed browsing extension) is an exception and is noted for its instability. But that extension is no longer required in firefox 1.0. Another thing to note about extensions is that you don't want to install more than you need, since they can cause firefox's context menu to become bloated.

An unconvincing effort at best, and its own developers admit its replete with bugs. Yet it still garbles many pages and that folks, is just unacceptable. I'm sticking with NetCaptor.

I have been using FireFox/Bird/Phoenix right from 0.6 upwards, and would like to state that I have no speed problems with it whatsoever - of course, I have not installed flash, shockwave or any such "extras" for the browser, and i browse with sound/videos/animations disabled for the most part.

Mozilla was *slowed down drastically* when I put SP2 on the net machine, though. Did anyone have similiar effects?

Edit: Installing 1.0RC and a general cleaning of the system removed the speed trouble

Firefox garbles those pages because the web pages are written to IE standards which are NOT industry standards for HTML. When the web page masters for those sites get their heads out their butts and write the proper code you wont have that problem. It is an indication of your ignorance of how HTML works to even make such a statement.

While IE may start quicker (mainly because it is part of the OS!) & load/render pages faster, FF is faster to navigate for many users. I am physically disabled, an although I can use a trackball, I absolutely LOVE the "find as you type" feature in Mozilla/FF! I use it with the "linksonly" option and it often saves me the hassle and stress of getting my chin down to my trackball and trying to watch the mouse cursor as I move it.

Well perhaps Internet explorer is faster than firefox on a base install... but given long enough, internet explorer gets slowed down. It seems now every other piece of software you download off the internet is loaded with spyware or malware, or some "enhancement" that messes with your IE. Security essentially goes to FF simply because it's not built into the OS. That's the joy of using firefox. It's always at it's peak because the amount of malware and spyware for firefox is essentially minimized.

Also "speed" comes in multiple flavors. Sure, IE might be able to load pages faster(I wanna know who sits and complains about a page loading in less than an eigth of a second longer), but with the cleaner interface of FF and the built in tabbed browser, I can get stuff done faster on FF, than I would on IE. The key, for me, is a clean smooth interface. FF is just easier on the eyes for me, which helps me get work done faster.

And last but not least... I also run a linux workstation. It's great sometimes to see a common face among operating systems that is comfortable to work with.

There's my two cents....

Also, on another note. I'm also aware there is great software to remove malware, spyware etc and essentially "fix" IE.... but... when you think about it, I would rather have a browser that doesn't get "broke" in the first place...

That's not my experience, but some people have reported it being slow. I'm as mystified by this as others are, and that discussion is best taken to the Mozillazine forums where people are earnestly seeking solutions to problems like this.

The tweak network settings extension ( http://www.bitstorm.org/extensions/ ) does speed it up. It would be wrong to judge Firefox (or any other browser) merely on the speed it takes to handle a piece of Javascript designed to show how good or bad Opera / Safari / Internet Explorer / your favourite browser / your most despised browser is.

Meanwhile, I'm still waiting for Internet Explorer to support CSS2 properly (position:fixed, for example). A quick Google will reveal just how bad IE's CSS support is.

Well my problem is, Firefox still isn't ready for prime time. I have to use Avantbrowser. For one thing, I don't see an option to open new windows as a tab.. like netscape. Also, I was on fantasysports.yahoo.com, try pulling up stat tracker.. it will give an error, no supported java. What's up with that?

And I use roboform, if I click a link to login, even though I have it set to open a new window, Firefox treats it like current window. And external links open a completely separate Firefox Browser.. I really don't like that.

So I am sticking with Avantbrowser. Firefox also STILL does not support google toolbar or yahoo companion bar. I am a member of gamespot, scrolling is weird, the pictures on the page (using my middle mouse button) scroll independent of the page.... All of this, its still a ways from replacing any of my browsers.

Its fast and its great.. But its still has some very prominent bugs. And those are the ones I found from last night alone...

I just reinstalled Windows XP, installed Firefox as my only browser.. once I found out those things.. I knew I couldn't give up explorer. If they manage to fix those, I may try again, but Everyone is so dead set on not using Microsoft products, you miss the shortcomings.. but I don't...

Hey, just letting you know that if you have the extension "all in one gestures" you can go into it's options... make, or edit current mouse gestures.. AND you can set lets say "UP" for instance to open a tab either in the foreground, or as a new window. I know you are talking about clicking on a link and its doin that, I can't think right now, but there is a way you can edit that also.. links to open in foreground, or as a new window.. and such. I know if you hold the middle mouse button and left click the link it will open it in a forground tab.

I use Roboform also, and if I'm understanding you right, you are saying that when you open one of your Login sites or whatever that it changes the current page that you are on, and you don't like that.. is that right?? If so, this is what I do, I have the mouse gesture "move mouse UP" to open a new tab in forground and then choose which login I want from the roboform toolbar. that way it will open in the new tab.. If I have misunderstood you, I'm sorry.. just trying to help.

Who cares if CSS2 is not supported by IE? Until IE adopts it, no web designer will use it, as IE has the lions share of the browser market. It may be a sad fact, but that's the reality, and Micro$oft know that.

Try TabbrowserPreferences 0.9.95 from http://www.pryan.org/moz...site/TheOneKEA/tabprefs/

Also note that not only will IE slow down, your fresh windows XP will slow down considerably as well with the loads of spywares on your computer.

Middle clicking (or mouse wheel clicking) on anything (bookmarks, menus, home button etc.) will open them in a tab. ctrl cliking does the same thing. url2newtab and TBP (tabbed browsing prefs) are two extensions that will allow you to open tabs with left clicking.

Not sure about the " faster, more secure alternative to Microsoft's Internet Explorer" comment.

My tests on my P4 system, Firefox is considerably slower than IE, as for "More Secure", we only have Mozilla Foundations word on that, as Firefox has no real track record, it's still a small-scale browser. Only time will really tell if it auctually IS more secure.

True, It loads a little slower then IE but as for security, It does stop alot of Spyware that IE becomes victim to. In my opinion, it is one of the better alternatives to IE.

anyone that says this

"Firefox is considerably slower than IE"

obviously uses IE more than firefox. take your head out of your butt and start using FF more than IE, then you will see that it loads faster out of the two.

It really depends on what you are running. IE in it's XPSP2 incarnation is pretty good against spyware, and rouge ActiveX controls. Microsoft done some great work with XPSP2 (they needed to do), if we compare this with Firefox, I say from a security standpoint, XPSP2's I.E is pretty secure and has a track record, Firefox also seems to be pretty secure, but it's still a new baby.

If you are comparing Firefox with a IE found on earlier OSes, then Firefox is a good choice. Most of IE's problems are down to the lax default security settings. If you disable ActiveX and raise the browser security levels, IE can also be secure...

It's fact, there are plenty of benchmarks to prove it, Firefox on most systems is both slower and app loading and also slower at page rendering that IE, and I believe there is even a Bugzilla bug logged to recognise this fact.

Try it for yourself...

http://www.24fun.com/dow...er/benchjs/benchjs.html

Use the MOOX optimized builds, people, they're there for the taking ;) ( http://www.moox.ws/tech/mozilla/ )

Are the MOOX ones firefox 1.0 FINAL and not PR???

But it's still half-assed for blocking popups, I find. Even with the pop-up blocking the unwanted pop-ups, I'm always getting popups if I use IE. I've seen one or two popups when using Firefox, and that was because I had changed a setting.

Edit: Oh, and the Adblock extension you can get for Firefox is AMAZING. You can snip out practically any add, flash, etc, quickly and easily. No external program or nothing, and if you click on the adblock button, it'll pop-up a list of all ad-blockable things (so far, all IFrames that I've ever seen have been adds, so it makes it easy to remove a lot!)

I occasionally go check out the other IE browsers, but I always come back to FireFox because of not having pop-ups, or adds. Makes browsing the net so much more pleasant.

Edit edit: And yes, for starting up the browser, FireFox is slower, but it's well worth the little wait. It only takes a second for me. And browsing actual sites, Firefox seems faster for the most part, except for some odd & badly designed webpages.

http://www.moox.ws/tech/mozilla/releasebuilds.htm

Yes they are.

Make sure you check http://www.moox.ws/tech/mozilla/ to see what proccessers are support by which 'M'

By default, XPSP2's popup blocker is not set to maximum strengh (to maintain a degree of compatability), you can increase it's effictiveness to 100% by going into Tools, Internet Settings, Privacy.

However doing this, will break some sites, as will any 100% popup blocker

Yes, the moox builds are 1.0 Final release builds, they are simply optimized for particular cpu architectures. Also, many of you commented on Firefox being slow. That all depends on what exactly you are testing. If you're testing large tables loading, then yes, firefox is slower than IE but in other things its quite a bit faster. Another thing is, have any of you even bothered to defragment your harddrive? Most of the time it speeds up firefox quite noticeably. There are also various tweaks that can be performed but they are too complicated and numerous to post here. For me, firefox is faster than IE in most things but not all.

IE is considerably slower than firefox on my ancient AMD K6-500 64mb machine.