Look, I am by far not an M$ hater...one of you posers who wouldnt use an M$ product just because it is made by Microsoft. Firefox is hands down the best browser on the market...It is sleek, clean, fast, DOES NOT SUPPORT ACTIVEX (But there is a pulgin if for some reason you actually would want that support). It conforms to "standards", which tho annoying...is a way to finally get these shotty web developers (myself included) to conform to some sort of standard. Firefox supports a multitude of convenient plugins and its just NICE, IE is old..buggy..and UGLY anymore. I used to be an IE fanboy after netscape went to hell after the AOL s*** but Firefox is an excellent browser. Use it for a week and you will never look back. Also, Uproar.com does not fully work with Sun Java and Launch.com will not work with any Mozilla browsers...so if you are a user of these...Please email the webmasters and let them know they are losing out on a growing poulation of non IE users. For now you can download the "Open Link In IE" plugin for firefox...I find it very handy in those types of situations.

I am not yet tested this version. but as my experience with Mozilla, I found that the worst things in Mozilla is the download manager.
I cannot believe they release that kind of download manager, and till now the conditions still same.
is that a download manager or unfinished code ?

So is this Firefox that much more advanced than other browsers . Thought controlled browsing capable of Mach 6 ..

And when is Gant gonna steal it.

i hope smart update is smarter than netscape 6 or 7's smart update... components and patches are smart... replacing the whole stupid install isn't.

Hello!
I just want to let the readers know i like Firefox. It is the best web browser. Everybody should use it.

One note to users of IE: if you load a page in Firefox and it does not display correctly as in IE, then you should know that the author of the page you just loaded does not know how to make web sites. Firefox will definately display any page that is made according to the web standards.

If it happends that you don't like the Firefox interface, get a new theme.

i've said it before, i'll say it again. if the quirks mode of the browser doesnt render things like IE, then the browser wont gain acceptance. IE has an overwhelming monopoly on its browser space because it's there all the time. The majority of the pages out there are coded to look swell in IE, not to we standards. considering the balance of power i'd say IE is the standard for other browsers to reach at least in alternate rendering modes. Mozilla 1.6 is the closest thing i've seen so far in terms of compatibility to this. firebird .7 wasn't, but i'll give 0.8 a try just to try the new "features" and fixes.

mozilla also needs to create aliases for functions that work in IE that are compatible to functions that work in mozilla for things like XML handling to take some of the burdon off users (downloading times) and programmers.

IE doesn't force any sort of standards and that is a PROBLEM more than it is good. IE will still render CSS even though there are small syntactical errors. Is that good? Well, your CSS will work in IE, but it will not load in any other browser that uses W3C standards. Teaching web programmers/designers bad technique is NOT good.

that comment had nothing to do with anything. they're making it easier for the programmer. more browsers should.

after reviewing firefox, i'm fairly impressed thus far. It actually makes me want to see what's coming up in terms of changes for .9 and even the 1.0 release. it wouldnt take much more than the mentioned suggestions above to convert me over completely.

"they're making it easier for the programmer."

Are you kidding? The "programmers" need to learn their jobs.

Sigh...

Why do I waste my breath?

NULLedge, i just posted my opinion about Firefox - clearly the best browser.

I do not want to see half of the ENTIRE planet becoming "programmers" that do not know to make something good. Programming should be learned only by those who are capable of coding something good, otherwise go to a construction company and become the best worker.

I do not care if IE is used by 90% of the market - we can ALL force Microsoft to make a better browser if we all start moving to Mozilla 1.6, Opera, Firefox, etc.

For me, Mozilla was the browser of my choice until now. I moved to Firefox ONLY because i do not need the composer and the mail client in the same package :). Mozilla does not disappoint me.

IE should at least work with web sites that use valid HTML and CSS. As i noticed, it has some problems with valid sites.

By the way, i also do not like i cannot use PNG files in my web sites. Why? Because only IE does not display them properly (transparency problems).

Thank you.

i wasnt attacking firefox, or defending IE. I was stating facts. Don't get your panties twisted. Having a forgiving browser makes for more compatibility over larger variety of sites. If the browser can't conform to rendering a site simply because it's using IE friendly code, it's not really browsing, it's just getting by. To say that all programmers have to be errorless is rediculous. Having a standard to work from is great but there will always be something one does differently than another. Considering IE 6 is a 4 year old browser and FireFox and Mozilla are just now becoming acceptable to the average Joe, I'd say it deserves a little more understanding than you're dishing it out. Besides, if you're thinking more than 5% of the users are going to switch to a mozilla browser within 2 years, you're dreaming. The likely scenario is when MS ships their new OS with their new browser people will enjoy some new gimick and turn a blind eye to the more standards complaint and up and coming mozilla builds. reality's a b****.

I never knew that you consider the CSS stuff is programming...

Replied in the wrong place.

If it doesn't look good in all browsers than it's broken code. Don't blame the browser for unclosed tags, or poorly written web code. IE may well have 90% of the market, but that doesn't mean it's ok to be sloppy. :-P hehe

I agree with both NULLedge and fewt. As a web programmer, it is nice to be able to mock up a simple interface for demonstration purposes. Currently, the only browser I can do that with is IE, because when I'm experimenting, I dont want to take the time to worry about closing every tag (including img, br, hr, etc...) After that is done, however, I revamp my code to W3C HTML3-Final standards, because that is the only version of HTML to gain relative universal support, so far. When I use HTML3 compatible syntax, javascript, and CSS, my applications look almost the same on every browser. Every time I have used HTML4, they look fine on the gecko engine, but looked like crap in IE, because IE renders HTML4 more strictly (if you use the !DOCTYPE declaration, of course).
The breakdown is this. The IE engine is used by more than 90% of the people in the world. The gecko engine, i would estimate, to be around 7-8%. Other engines take up the remaining 2-3%. Clearly, if you want your web applications to function and look the best to the most people, you write it for IE.
Don't forget, fewt, that not all versions of HTML require all tags to be closed.

"Don't forget, fewt, that not all versions of HTML require all tags to be closed."

That doesn't mean they shouldn't still be closed. ;-)

I do not know who of you know how to make websites .... but IE has proprietary code!

Some stuff you just cannot render on other browsers because it is proprietary.

Anybody using IE is unknowing or plain stupid. [period]
Firebird/Firefox Rocks
Mozilla Rules
MAC OSX Rules

SCO SUCKS
M$ SUCKS

Hey guys, give NULLedge a break.
He's merely making a comment, not bashing Firefox.
and some of the stuff he said is pretty true.