Just a visualization of the current trend - http://www.milliondollar...upload/30735_footer.jpg (Firefox Eats IE)

http://www.milliondollarhosting.net

Worthless. I don't see any "added value" here at all. So they're bundling existing things together which are easy to get already. Why not "try" to offer something new or of greater value? I don't see this doing anyone good but Mozilla. Real sucks. Google doesn't need help, they're already doing fine. Even Mozilla is holding their own. I see this as an attempt for Real to re-establish their fading name. If you survey teens about media the number that recognize or use Real is shrinking by the day.

I don't think RealNetworks are the global leaders.

I though Mozilla was good

"Mozilla is very pleased to partner with global leaders like Google and Real to distribute our award-winning Firefox Web browser,"

Google yes but realplayer. Mr. Baker have you look at the ratings this player gets.I think this dude is asleep at the wheel.

Mitchell Baker is a woman, and in terms of adoption, Real IS a leader. No, I don't know why people still use their player, but they do.

Mozilla and Google disappoint me. They thought letting themselves be promoted by bloated, spyware-ridden software was a GOOD idea!?

RealPlayer sucks, but at least Firefox will get more exposure because of it.

On another note, I think Firefox needs to change their default theme too. You want to wow people when they open it, not make them have to download another theme (they won't know that that's possible until later). That first impression is a big one.

lmao...

Plain-jane *is* the new eye-candy.

Sheesh...

You're in luck. A "visual refresh" is scheduled to be included with 2.0.

Really.

I use the Minifox Flat theme and my monitor has 1280x1024 resolution. You wouldn't *believe* how much content fits on one screen now :)

And that's exactly how I like it.

1680x1050, man.

It's the only way to live.

Yeah... I wish my poor college student budget could afford that big of a monitor. Not quite.

Is it really possible that the public school system is now so bad that no one can read? It says nothing about Real Player being bundled with FireFox. It says

Quote:

"Google Toolbar and Mozilla Firefox browser would be bundled with Real's RealPlayer software." and

"When installing RealPlayer, users would now also be given an option to install both pieces of software during the process."

From Real Network's Web Site

Quote:

"When users install RealPlayer, they will be given the option also to install either the Google Toolbar or Firefox. The Google Toolbar is a very popular addition to a Web browser that allows consumers to quickly conduct a Web search. Firefox has become a very popular Web browser that simplifies how consumers browse the Web and delivers pop-up blocking, tabbed browsing and enhanced Web security. All of these world-class products are free.

The Google Toolbar and Mozilla Firefox will soon be available options for customers of RealPlayer, Rhapsody music service and RealArcade games."

Where in there does it say Real Player would be bundled with FireFox?

I believe the note was edited. :/
I clearly remember reading that Firefox would include Real Player, but that might be my silly mind playing games on me. :P

Nah...just your knee jerking before your brain engaged.

Time to switch browser if they think they will make me even download RealCrap.

Real is bundling Firefox.

Firefox is not bundling Real.

Are they really bundling Real software with Firefox downloads? I find that hard to believe, and the Forbes story (which is the only other source I can find, besides the Slashdot summary on that article--Mozilla hasn't put anything on their site yet), Real is offering Firefox downloads to people who download Real, but Mozilla is NOT bundling any Real software with Firefox.

Same with Google: Real will offer them as downloads with their software, but the article made NO mention of Google bunding Real with theirs.

See: http://www.forbes.com/20...lla_cx_lh_0802real.html

"Are they really bundling Real software with Firefox downloads?"

Read again. Real is bundling Firefox. Firefox is not bundling Real.

Funny, I could have SWORN that's what this article said when I read it, hence my skepticism and pointing to other articles that said otherwise.

Maybe I was just confused by the comments here.

Google and ZillaLand in bed with Real.

These are indeed the EndTimes (assuming I believed in that nonsense)...

EDIT: oops, didn't mean to reply to this comment.

Am I the only one who read the part where it said that the browser and tool bar would be bundled with Real Player? It says nothing about Firefox not continuing to be a separate download and stand alone browser.

Quote:

"When installing RealPlayer, users would now also be given an option to install both pieces of software during the process."

Read? Before commenting? No way!

Yes. But the association remains.

Associating your products with sleeze is *never* a good thing. (Unless you're in the porn industry)

I hope Mozilla has the option durin install to not install anything RealPlayer, if not then it's time for me at least to switch browsers. Opera maybe ?

RealPlayer, Kazaa, AOL, holy crap Google just keep signing more and more loans to the devil. RealPlayer remains one of the worst companies and worst media players ever devised in the history of software.

Between Google's mission to put an ad on every square pixel of my monitor and Mozilla's Apple/Religious cheerleading of itself, these two are really stinking up the joint.

What he said man

There is no bias here Desides, there is honest disdain for Real Products. I have had nothing but issues when I have used their services or products in the past. There is no reason to think that thier invasive ways will help any consumer. I have been moving slowly but surely away from Firefox and over to Opera and honestly this will just accelerate that process. Thank god there is choice and I will freely exercise mine to use other products and services that don't support or utilize Real products. They truly are that much of a turn off.

There IS a bias; the disdain for Real is preventing people from recognizing the exposure Firefox will get from this deal. This is a good thing, regardless of whether or not it's due to Real. Any similar distribution deal is a good thing.

No question that Firefox will get more exposure, but will it be good exposure or bad exposure? Would it be a good thing for Firefox to be distributed by drug dealers? Remember that the audience are people who are unfamiliar with Firefox and would presumably have a hard time downloading and installing it seperately. I wouldn't be surprised if many of these people mistakenly perceive that Firefox is part of Real Player. Therefore, if Real Player makes a bad impression, it will take Firefox down with it.

Oh, come on--you're likening Real to a drug dealer?! Real makes a truly horrible player, yes--but it's not nearly on the level of a drug dealer.

The casual user doesn't share our hatred of Real. They'll just notice the new browser and give it a whirl, perhaps even like it.

I have to say that I *shared* many people's dislike of Real after the days when I used to run Real player under Win98SE. But I recall a big backlash against them and they seem to have cleaned their act up.

Admittedly I run Real Player on Linux now, but it's a small, clean-cut media player... is it still a different story under Windows then?

If not, then what's the problem? I see no spyware, adware, etc. associated with the program now...

"Would it be a good thing for Firefox to be distributed by drug dealers?"

Would those be the same ones who sold you the crack you smoked before posting that ridiculous comment?

You gotta understand that many BetaNews readers haven't actually used anything but a keyboard on a computer for at least 5 years.

Having your product associated with software who's reputation is among the *lowest* on the net?

Yeah... that's a good thing, right?

It's a sell-out. To expand their distribution, they've made a faustian bargain with Real.

This is *not* a good thing.

Exactly. I hope this isn't the first step toward a dark future for Google and Mozilla.

I, for one, *have* tried Real player within the past few months.

The program loads about 4 or 5 different windows just to do one thing, and their stupid message center is always running. Not to mention all the indiscreet information it transmits back to RealNetworks about your computer and usage.

Let us hope that mozilla's CEO "baker" will read our comments here and see the very bad mistake he has made.

Except that Real's software is still used by a great number of people who really don't think twice about it. Offering Firefox in a Real installer will be a boost to its adoption rate.

I seriously read these comments and see a bunch of children whining about Firefox catching cooties.

You gotta learn how to use a mouse. That stuff is all optional (like it is in other media programs) and can all be turned off.

And I found those options. The point is, they're all enabled by default, and I don't want the hassle of configuring those options on *every* installation.

...like it is in other media programs...

VLC is a simple, no fuss media player that does EXACTLY what media players were designed for; nothing more. That's why I don't even bother with RealPlayer.

Disappointing is all I have to say about this "partnership".

And the anti-Real b****ing begins. Nevermind that none of you people will download Firefox that way, nevermind that this is a net plus for Mozilla, just let your biases cloud your judgment.

This is why no one important pays attention to people on the interent.

Posted by someone who thinks they are "important".

Would that be you?

No, it would be me, but that is besides the point.

Jealous?

Hahaha, what a terrible move!

Real player is not only resource abusing, bloated POS, it is also bundled with spyware. As far as i can see this can only be harmful for two great programs like firefox and google toolbar.

Yeah, in my opinion real player alternative is better.

But i think it is great deal for Mozilla Fundation.

I just lost some respect for Mozilla. RealNetworks? Come on, after MSFT's WGA, it may the most widely distributed spyware around.

People stilling use Real player?!?!?!? Please do yourself a favor and d/l k-lite.

You beat me to it.

Sorry - K-Lite wasn't written for Linux. I know I'm *supposed* to hate Real, but on my system it's a nice little program that does no harm and only runs on the files I tell it too...

When this was announced on Slashdot, the bile vented was unbeliavable. Is it still bundling adware with the Windows version or something? If not, these guys should really grow up as it was so long ago now - about 7 years now, I think?

Venting bile is pretty much the main purpose of slashdot, isn't it?

Unless you're browsing at +5 threshold, yes. ;)

It's called VLC

videolan.org

VLC is the best, man. :-)

Heck yeah.

If your threshold is +5, you may as well just not read the comments altogether.