Even the good old Windows 95 went on sale on the same date... Is there a connection between August 24th and Microsoft?

"Is there a connection between August 24th and Microsoft?"

Bill Gates stole August 24th from Steve Jobs, who stole it from Xerox.

Good one :)

Holy crap... I missed some mighty fine entertainment today, it seems. :)

Only the best of the best here, my friend. ;)

Microsoft is only in this to nurture more Microsoft users in the future and continue to secure their monopoly over true competition and innovation. It's all they have left.

Microsoft does NOT have a monopoly, they never did, Apple has always existed. Just because can develop a better OS is not the fault of Microsoft.

* Better defined by the Market, of course you Anti-MS zealots no nothing about the free-market since you leave dictatorships.

** Blow it out your blow all you flamers.

What ???

LOL!! WHAT????

It is a fact that Vista requires more to run the same games as XP does.

Really?

Why does my system get better performance while using Vista then when it did when I ran Windows XP if this is the case?

No idea. It's your system so why don't you tell us..?

Maybe because you see what you want to believe.

Lots of people seeing that then, since SP1.

http://www.informationwe...75&_requestid=40936

Showing a link to a "performance test" with a BETA of SP1 installed...yea, that's credible.

Then show me one that refute this.

http://futuremark.yougam.../showthread.php?t=72298
http://www.extremetech.c...2/0,2845,2302499,00.asp

These are just the first two links in google from a "vists sp1 vs XP performance" search.

The second link show this: "3DMark06 was extremely close all around, with XP edging Vista out by a hair."

And that's just one benchmark test. Go back and read the whole thing. Plus it was only applying to gaming.

The first one is just a post in a forum. Anybody can post anything in a forum.

Nice try.

Yea...and the rest of the tests have Vista edging XP...nice try taking a single test where XP got favored.

I also like how you disqualify a forum and all the rest of the benchmarks because they applied to gaming, but think your link with a Beta install of SP1 claiming XP "trounced" Vista is credible.

Anyway, go to this site:

www.google.com

and in the little box where you can type something, enter this:

"Vista SP1 performance vs XP" and do some reading. I'm not going to bother posting every single link...I'm sure you can figure out how to use tha internets.

Yeah, um...dude?

SP1 of Vista went *out* of Beta several months ago.

You need to get out from under that rock more often.

So the $100 laptop now costs $200? I see.

No... the $188 laptop now costs $200. :)

bill gates continue his goal to put Personnal Computer everywhere in the world

:( yet another great disappointment.

lets give craptops to all the kids in Nigeria.

that way the starving kids can learn early on how to be successful spammers and scammers and hunters of the great white american morons whose bellies are filled with milk and honey and MONEY.

Yes, but at least it's low-fat milk.

lol awful yet so true!

I dont know, dont some people still drink that disgusting whole milk? lol

I think this is good news. Has someone started flaming MS yet for charging 3 bux per licence? NO?!!

XP is for uneducated retarded broke chumps. Mainly Dell customers from what I gather as they are the dumbest of dumb for falling into thier hype.

Vista is better in every way. It's a fact.

"Vista is better in every way. It's a fact." Except usage of resources...

Why don't you tell us what you really think? You don't have to mince words here.

Technically speaking, it makes better use of the resources it has, so your statement is incorrect.

Yes I realize you meant to say something regarding its larger size and minimum requirement when measured by ram and disk space usage, though it doesn't really make a noticeable impact if your computer was made in the last 18 months and not purchased at walmart.

Care to clarify how Vista is better? I'm an MCP on Windows platforms, and have yet to see a REAL advantage for using Vista, although I do have Vista both at work and at home.

"Technically speaking, it makes better use of the resources it has, so your statement is incorrect."

But at the same time, it gives bloatware a whole new meaning, with all those unnecessary processes crowding up the system. So, the better management of resources is overshadowed by the unnecessary things - perhaps not for us who know what we're doing and can shut them down - but certainly for Mr. Joe Average.

I'm not Anti-MS, but seriously, I think they have not gone the right path with Vista.

*laughing*

Oh noes! Vista uses resources!

You'd think, anyone remotely knowledgeable about PCs would realize that using available resources is a *good* thing.

Vista: 80% RAM usage when idle. This is a good thing. It has loaded the most commonly used parts of the OS/software into RAM to speed up the system.

XP: less than 40% RAM usage when idle. RAM that could be used to preload apps or 5the core OS components is sitting, unused and wasted.

Yeah... Resource usage sucks.

Amen. I've been running Linux distros for the last four months - I've tried around twenty in all. I mostly like Linux. However, the only thing that disappoints me about it is that compared to Vista, it's slower than hell on my hardware. Yes, I realize it makes the most of legacy hardware...but with an Opteron 175 dual core, and two gigs of RAM, it's not especially responsive. In comparison, Vista is an absolute animal. As you cited, I am GLAD Vista uses available resources...that's why I bought them. Linux barely takes advantage of the capabilities of most of my hardware, including my 7800GS. Granted, Linux is positively stable - never been in a freeze up that couldn't be rectified by hitting Ctrl-Alt-Backspace and logging back in. For those of you who think Vista is bloated, a recent base install of Debian Lenny occupies 25 gigs on my harddrive.

I guess that's why Vista is being used by almost no corporations. In fact, many of them have switched back to XP after trying Vista.

In my years of using computers I've tried just about any OS you'd care to name including: BeOS, FreeBSD, and even Caldera's EDesktop. I have never used anything remotely as bad as Vista.

Have you ever heard the adage; "He who thinks he knows all, is a fool, and knows nothing"?

Add Hollywood to the long list of morons i have seen on here.

In case of ultra cheap computers it might not be better.

But it does have support of future and current technology such as 64-bit, DirectX10, 11 etc.

Im not saying that its leaps and bounds better, but atleast its working now and its slowly getting software and driver support.. on a new computer I would definitley choose vista over xp.

A sign of a good OS is one that can do the same things with less. In other words efficiency. Vista uses more because it was intentionally designed to as a consumer product. Good for business, bad for the customer.

It is a fact that Vista requires more to run the same games as XP does.

A sign of a good OS is one that can do the same things with less. In other words efficiency.

Sure, if you want to be stuck doing the same things. (or break functionality and thus compatibility)

However, if you want new features, new functionality, and a more powerful OS, you're going to need more powerful hardware.

It is a fact that Vista requires more to run the same games as XP does.

*yawn* ...and will be able to *do* more with that added usage once DX10 games actually start *using* DX10 (Not this lame "crysis" DX10 BS).

Vista uses more because it was intentionally designed to as a consumer product. Good for business, bad for the customer.

Making no sense again, I see. Did you even try to parse those two sentences?

I guess that's why Vista is being used by almost no corporations. In fact, many of them have switched back to XP after trying Vista.

Care to back that up? Intel is already starting to phase it in, many corps are testing SP1 even now.

In my years of using computers I've tried just about any OS you'd care to name including: BeOS, FreeBSD, and even Caldera's EDesktop. I have never used anything remotely as bad as Vista.

Been there, done that. What is so "bad" about Vista?

Have you ever heard the adage; "He who thinks he knows all, is a fool, and knows nothing"?

Yep. But then, if I knew all, or even claimed to, why would I waste my time with the likes of you?

Ever heard the old adage "It is better to remain silent and thought the fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt"? ;)

XP does support 64-bit. And the support of DX10, 11, and the likes is not due to some particular feature it needs that only Vista has. It is simply out of MS's choice not to include it in legacy OSes. Certainly, as time goes by, the gap will widen, but not due to some clear advantage that Vista has. That's my point.

"Oh noes!"

nice

"Have you ever heard the adage; "He who thinks he knows all, is a fool, and knows nothing"? "

Refering to yourself?

Where are your sources?

So disable them.

I believe they have gone on the right path but have struggled.

I wouldn't suggest anyone go about disabling services. They tend to quickly find out just how needed those "services no-one needs" are...

I am running Vista 32bit (yeuch!) on a Dell 630 laptop at work. It boots *faster* than XP on my Dell desktop (Optiplex GX520). No services disabled, no tweaking (other than Glary utilities and Defraggler).

It's gotten to the point I'd rather dock the lappy and turn it on than use the desktop lately. Now ain't that the exact opposite of what most of these dolts are claiming?

Vista ain't perfect. No argument there. The entire upgrade SKU was a mistake, and MSFT blew it by lowballing requirements.

But these lame-ass claims of it being slower than XP on decent (read: high-end) hardware? Bogus since SP1.

In an effort to discuss something other than Vista, I hope the laptop really does help education especially in the US. Does this mean Apple computers in schools will start to fade?

"Does this mean Apple computers in schools will start to fade?"

I'm not trying to be funny, but I honestly didn't know they were that popular in schools to begin with.

That sounds like a comment from a really smart guy...

What does an MCP have to do with anything? In reality it doesn't mean much.

Uuugh! uuugh! uuugh! uuugh!

You should be happy with the DSL Linux dist then. Go for it!

"I guess that's why Vista is being used by almost no corporations. In fact, many of them have switched back to XP after trying Vista."

On the contrary most enterprises are slowly but steadily rolling out Vista. There often are legacy apps causing trouble, which result in another few weeks delay here and there. The thing is - this is not a top priority for business. No successful organization will interrupt business to deploy Vista but over time it will happen steadily and unstoppably.

"But these lame-ass claims of it being slower than XP on decent (read: high-end) hardware? Bogus since SP1."

I'd say high end was when Vista was released. Now anything should cut it. Heck I even see reviews of the latest cheapo netbooks with 1.6GHz Atom where the testers are surprised how well Vista runs...

To be honest, I haven't tested post SP1 Vista on anything lower than dual-core, 2GB.

It is running on my D630 laptop, which uses shared RAM for an Intel GPU and it does seem to be running quote well. (Blows my GX520 desktop running XP out of the water)

The funny thing is MCP is the easiest certificate to get...you have to pass ONE test. yea...that makes you an expert in all things windows. :)

Alright, who's letting cavemen online?

Think again.

Most major enterprises have already stated that they will never implement Vista. By the time it start to make sense to upgrade, Windows 7 will be out.

It simply means I'm not a newbie who cannot explore the whole of Windows resources, that's all. So when I say I don't see any advantages, it's not because I don't know the OSes.

Resorting to ad hominem so soon? How sad...

Unless you plan on using that RAM for your applications.

Questions we should be asking is:
A) Do we really want that much of the system preloaded into RAM?
B) Do such resources really have to use that much RAM when other OSes do the same with less?
C) Do we even NEED all that's being loaded into RAM?

I think that was pjafrombbay's point...

...and last but not least: Does the resource manager mange the resources to use available ones as required at any point in time.. or does it reserve them for who the heck might know what comes next?

*sigh*

Ah.

You've confused trolls with cavemen.

Common mistake, I suppose. They do look a lot alike in pictures. ;)

Gah!

Unless you plan on using that RAM for your applications.

Please...

Vista will release RAM used for cache/system core when needed by applications.

A) Do we really want that much of the system preloaded into RAM?

Do you really want your system to be quick and responsive? Or perhaps we should just do away with RAM completely and run everything directly from a swapfile...?

B) Do such resources really have to use that much RAM when other OSes do the same with less?

Do the same?? *laughing* That's amusing. Really.

C) Do we even NEED all that's being loaded into RAM?

Do you want your current programs to continue to function? They *depend* on the services and libraries you'd apparently want to do away with.

Does the resource manager mange the resources to use available ones as required at any point in time

Vista releases RAM used for caching when needed by applications. XP did the same, but Vista can utilize more of the available resources while still giving the applications what they need to run.

Gonna back that BS up?

Of course not!

*laughing*

You guys crack me up...

My limited point of view purely comes from what I see happening at my clients - some of which happen to be very large organizations - what related projects and betas they have running and requirements I am getting from business. They will be rolling out Vista in due time, it's not even a question asked.

Anyway, this is my personal impression. Where are those public statements?

Whatever I present to you, your mind is already made and you wouldn't buge. So I'm not going to waste my time.

Just search the net a bit. GM and Intel made big announcement just a few weeks ago.

When you really put down the number on a sheet of paper, there is no way to justify the work and the expense for a company of any size.

*YAWN*

Every time.

Ask a troll to back his BS up and what do you get? "He won't waste his time"....

You folks really need some new material.

*laughing*

Just search the net a bit.

Or just betanews?

GM and Intel made big announcement just a few weeks ago.


Intel's announcement was that they were in the process of deploying Vista, genius.

Intel corporate communications manager Bill Calder told BetaNews. "We are testing and deploying Windows Vista in certain departments. Intel IT is constantly refreshing employee desktops and laptops and there are a number of factors considered before choosing the type of software for the computer."

Nice try, sparky.

http://www.theinquirer.n...06/23/intel-dumps-vista

http://bits.blogs.nytime...dex.html?ref=technology

Na na na na na

http://www.theinquirer.n...06/23/intel-dumps-vista

http://bits.blogs.nytime...dex.html?ref=technology

Alright, the weekend is over...

You really have to re-acquaint yourself with sarcasm to make it through the rest of the week on BN ;-)

The Intel story was outed as sensationalist BS by ppl who don't understand how large organizations work. I don't have that much time to research other BS (spending all on BN.. ;-)

It's called cost of doing business and what most open sourcers here don't realize is that while it may hurt them to spend the equivalent of 4 PS3 games on an MSFT OS, this cost is negligible in relation to profits - at least in my case.

The title of the article is: "Intel isn't saying 'no' or 'yes' to Vista completely"

Re-read it. http://www.betanews.com/...a_completely/1214499814

Nice try yourself.

So let's get this right.

...So ALL of the those folks who used XP are the "dumbest of the dumb"!

So what is this idiot? An MS fanboy or Windows hater?

In any case, we know that he is an idiot!LOL!

*LAUGHING*

Dude, both of those articles predate the BN article, wherein they state specifically that they have not, in fact, decided to not use Vista and are, in fact, in the process of deploying it in several departments.

Care to try again?

Na na na na na

Pure comic genius. Too bad the articles are all dated prior to the BN article, and are thus superseded by it.

Now that you're done congratulating yourself on a job horribly done...

Find me an article that is dated *after* the betanews article to support your lame-ass claims.

Until then, the BN article holds. It is the most current and Intel specifically refutes the claims of the older articles by stating they have already begun deployment in several departments.

Or better yet...get a clue. :)

Let me repost the relevant portion, dimwit:

"We are testing and deploying Windows Vista in certain departments.
emphasis added

That's a quote from Intel.

After the dated articles you posted links to.

Mmmkay?

I'm tryin'.

Really.

At least, according to the wife. ;)

No need to. You just continue to ignore what doesn't fit your pre-conceived notions.

Vista reminds me of what a person at this site once said of Norton Utilities: "It is doing many things to your computer, some of which you probably don't want done".

There's a business adage that applies: Another day, another pissing contest".

I'm currently running Vista Ultimate. I'm waiting for some ESET software to arrive so I can switch back to XP.

I've spent more time in suicide watch than you have on your PC. My brother's only child took his own life. I say this to put things in perspective, which you seem to have lost. Is it really important what OS I run on my system?

No need to.

Right. Of course. *you* should never have to provide *valid* and *current* sources for your ridiculous statements. Instead, we should all just ignore you.

You just continue to ignore what doesn't fit your pre-conceived notions.

Riiight.

Outdated articles and some anonymous troll on the internet should be my only source of "notions".

Typical.

Troll makes some asinine claim he has no intention of backing up. When pressed, he trots out old articles that have since been found to be *false*. When pressed further, well...it's that "preconceived notion"/"not going to waste my time" BS all over again.

I'd say to keep trying, but you've pretty much made it clear you have no clue what you are talking about.

If you had followed how the whole story evolved, you would understand the first story is the right one. You can clearly see in the story on BN that Intel is skating and trying to be non-committal either way. Reason been that after the first story was published (and that was the right one), they caught a lot of flack from MS. Even if they have kind of back track a bit, you can really see they did it with no big enthusiasm.

*laughing*

Dude, I couldn't care *less* what OS you use. Really. it's the lame a** generalized statements and opinions posted as *fact* that I'm arguing.

I don't care about you or anything you do so long as you aren't posting BS *you cannot support*. I'd ignore you completely if you kept it to personal opinion instead of BS like, "no corporations are using it" or "they're switching back to XP", or "I've never seen anything as *bad* as vista".

You have no way to back up the first two statements and the third is purely *your* opinion.

You not liking it doesn't make it bad, it just doesn't suit your tastes.

THAT is fine. THAT I don't have a problem with. THAT I would completely ignore. Saying it's "bad" just because you don't like it is about as dumb as it gets. My 4 year-old knows better than that.

I've spent more time in suicide watch than you have on your PC. My brother's only child took his own life.

Sucks to be you, don't it? I just spent the last two weekends at funerals for close relatives. Let's compare notes on our lives sorrows some other time though, eh?

You can clearly see in the story on BN that Intel is skating and trying to be non-committal either way.

That's it, you're an idiot. How in any interpretation is this even *remotely* non-committal???

"We are testing and deploying Windows Vista in certain departments.

Enough. You have no clue. You keep stating BS about pre-concieved notions and wasting time... I can only assume, after being presented time and again with *facts*, that you are speaking from personal experience....that you repeat even now.

Troll somewhere else.

Pretty please?

I can just imagine you foaming at the mouth while writing this.

Take a couple of Xanax and comeback tomorrow.

Hmmm...

How about, "No".

You are entirely too entertaining.

...and I can just imagine you drooling while your padded-cell-mate types your incoherent ramblings. :)

You done trying to sell your BS as fact? Good deal.

Turns out it was an Orangutan. All that chest thumping is indeed very confusing. Must be those ancient instincts getting to me...

You know... You totally hijacked my thread there.

Someone is entirely too familiar with psychoactive drugs.

Assuming that what Xanax is. Google.

Why yes it is. Why do you suggest an expensive brand name of a drug with a long expired patent?

Do you work for Upjohn?

Its bad enough that this site is saturated with shills for Sony, Microsoft, Intell, AMD, Toshiba, IBM, lately even Ubuntu. Now must we have drug company fanboys as well? Shame on you for bringing in a new class of corporate minions. Fie upon you. Take your pernicious chemicals to Another Forum.

May I suggest Captain Trips excellent site
www.trippintothe60s.com

I am sure there they will be far more interested in your vast experience with various form of brain candy.

Ok, I stand corrected.

So PC_Tool, go take 2 tablets of generic alprazolam (or any other kind of generic benzodiazepine, commonly called tranquilizer) and come back tomorrow.

That does not mean that you know anything about an OS.

Oh wait you don't see any advantages we better stop using it. Your opinion is just that.

Heh..

It looked like fun. Couldn't resist.

Gonna have to stick with the "No" there, sparky.

Very nice lol.

The last time I saw an apple computer in a school was way way back in my elementary school like 15 years ago.

I do believe my high school had a few though for this keyboarding class.

Lets make it even longer! :P

This has got to be one of the longest threads on here.

I think we've seen longer in the xbox/PS3 or Bloray threads, but it's gotta be close.

It's also nearly as pointless.

But that's never stopped anyone here. :)

Same here... Apple IIe. That was 20 years ago in high school.

It certainly is. lol

Why is it when Microsoft does something ultruistic they get slammed? Yes they are an Evil Corporation (tm) but frankly this is not a "Microsoft Project" this is a project that predates them. What they are trying to do is help bring countries and communities that barely have the resources to teach their children to read the tools to give them a brighter future and yet the wittiest comment that people are coming up with is how Geek Squad will need to fix the computers or how Microsoft is trying to shackle them with broken software. Frankly if more corporations and people actually DID something for charity and to help children in need we'd have a better world. So instead of your griping and moaning get off back sides, crawl out of your subteranian hobbit holes and do something good! Join Big Brothers or Scouts or something, help these children. It's more then just Sally Strothers giving food to children with bloated bellies and flies crawling over them.

Very Commonperson indeed,
Altruism, and MSFT is an oxymoron buddy!
Have a look at the original concept, MSFT did not want to know about it, there was no tax relief hence support for the original cocept was non extant. To such an extent they instituted obstructions wherever possible, yet when Stevie B (otherwise known as Jesus), and Billy G (aka GOD), realized that the project generated an impetus that may have left their OS effectively unknown in an emerging market, took 'em about 20 seconds to revise their strategies.
With regard to your last 2 sentences, give me a break pal, to preclude the prorogation of humans that may not agree with your other God, you guys are only interested in killin' off all strains of genetic material, the one exception being George's mates in the oil trade.
Ya know if the real Jesus was alive today, you guys woulda vilified on Fox News, written blogs disparaging his humanitarian gestures, then encouraged the dude with the biggest GUN to do a right proper crucifixion in front of SOCUS, if only to prove the infallibility of the righteousness.
You dudes make me sick, ya kill & maim at whim, and cheer with glee, it makes you hard and wet, yet ya no knowledge of life outside your little realms.

You dudes make me sick, ya kill & maim at whim, and cheer with glee, it makes you hard and wet, yet ya no knowledge of life outside your little realms.

Yeah, dude...You're in the wrong part of tha net.

Go back to posting gnaa trolls on Slashdot.

It's terrible the things that happen to minds when they come too near many a religion. Any religion can dangerous but especially computer religions. Even The Amiga could be a mind bending and even damaging experience despite its oh so friendly name. The religion of Fox News is a stunning destroyer of gray matter and it appears that it to may be involved here.

Unfortunately Brain Damage Suite is so far gone its impossible ascertain the original source of the terrible affliction that has caused so much grievous harm. Perhaps we should take up a collection for him. Start a new non-profit organization to repair the nearly incomprehensible destructive effects of this terrible plague.

Never mind

lol

I have a friend who is among many who are teaching new computer users in the Middle East how to use their computers. He's an ex HP employee and is doing this on a voluntary basis.He is currently in Kuwait. He has also worked in Lebanon and Afghanistan. There are still noble people in the world.

"But OLPC had work to do as well, including boosting the memory and making hardware adjustments"

Unfortunately this sounds like a MS things to do, thank goodness it doesn't have to cope with Vista yet.

"With XP on the XO, students can learn the basics and become familiar with Windows and Office, which will help them later in life."

Haha, somebody help these kids if they think that there isn't more to life than MS Office... It's an insult really.

"There are plans to release a dual-boot version of the XO, with both Linux and Windows"

Now this has to be a joke. I bet some of these kids are struggling to find their next meal and we come along and ask them whether they would like to boot Linux or Windows... Not to mention if something goes wrong you can simply pick up the phone and call the local tech man.

...students can learn the basics and become familiar with Windows and Office, which will help them later in life...

Chuckling. Yes, I'm sure young kids in developing countries will benefit from doing power point presentations in MS Office.

Not mentioned in the article, as there are approximately zero viruses for Sugar, and tens of thousands for XP, which antivirus and antimalware programs will be running on the "new, improved" XO, and how much of a decrease in battery life there is.

And how will these students do their monthly Windows updates? I'm guessing developing countries will have broadband for these children. What will keep these machines from becoming part of already huge botnets?

Just one point to clarify... If these machines are unsuitable to receive MSFT updates, how do they make sense as botnet nodes..?

Wow, this is just sad, disgusting and stupid. The majority of computer users still use XP, a dinosaur OS that is nearly 7 years old!!! Microshaft has done nothing but hold back innovation, keeping people in the dark ages of computing.

Thankfully people are starting to see the light at the end of the tunnel and switching to Macs at record numbers. With Apple the world will never be stuck on an ancient OS for 7 years. Mac OS X Snow Leopard 10.6 will be here in 2010. Snow Leopard will offer no new features yet it will be far more advanced than Windblows 7, a.k.a., Vista 2nd edition.

not only you showed how much narrow minded you are, jumping straight into idiocy...

..but you also had to SO far from context as to jump to topics as Vista vs Snow Leopard, intend to make us swallow Apple fanboyism, and use ranting jargon...

Perhaps you're not familiar with the history of the Mac OS before OS X... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS_history

Haha. Best reply yet.

I have to assume that you were attempting to show that Apple could offer a viable alternative to the options already available for the OLPC effort. Since when did anyone expect a low-cost version of Mac OS X to become available for developing 3rd-world countries?

"Mac OS X Snow Leopard 10.6 will be here in 2010."

You mean Mac OS X 10.5 Second Edition? Your double standards are comical.

LOL you just made a fool of yourself.

So 10.6 will be about as different from 10.5 as WIn7 will be from Vista...

...and this is your argument of why XP on the OLPC XO is a bad idea?

Are you even *capable* of rational thought?

He definitely isn't. If he doesn't get paid by Apple for all the crap he's splurting he's an idiot (besides proving that in every post) but if Apple pay him that would make them idiots (which they aren't based on recent success...)

This is good news. Teach these people skills that will better translate to the business world.

Yes, because Linux engineers make so much less than Windows engineers.

*snicker*

I don't think users of the Linux XO laptop are going to be modding their kernel :)

you never know hah

Who the F gives an F about engineers? Business doesn't exist for the purpose of engineers you ... (actually I am trying to restrain myself this week. You almost got me.)

Awww, it's too bad business wouldn't exist without engineers.

great :(

new unknowledgiable and inexperienced users who can't defend themselves from spammers and infections.

what i would like to know is that when the laptops become craptops in the middle of brazil or africa, who is going to pay for the geek squad to come out and service them?

These computers are designed for such an environment. They have fewer moving parts and are more rugged than a consumer type PC.

Which naturally helps defend them against spam and viruses...

yeah.. this sounds like the old... My c64 is better than your atari 800xl

for the guapo says

Well, it was.

;-)

i think microsoft is just trying to branch out yet again into territory they dont understand and dont belong in. how is a brazillian whos never used a computer before supposed to know what to do when he/she gets a blue screen, or a virtual memory error, or gods forbid, windows wants to update?
as to the whole more rugged than consumer pc's... the hard drive doesnt have to move for windows to fail. all it takes is windows deciding that it is tired and needs to take a nap.
nuff said

My Apple ][+ was better than either.

I remember trying to copy a floppy on the Commadore. 20 minutes, 8 disc swaps and commands that were sufficiently arcane that a hole in the continuum should have opened. Apple less than 5 minutes, around a minute if you had two drives. Yes it was less to copy, nowhere near that much less.

Pfft. Fool.

It was the Amiga 500.

Sounds like someone never tried Fast Hack'em. :)

Well, it was the most popular single model of computer ever sold in history. Commodore ruled the roost... undeniable fact. :)

Heh, true. :)

With the C64 bridgeboard because the 64 rocked.

heh

(I loved my ami too)

woot!

Fast Hack'em, Renegade, Maverick, or any of the 20 great copy utilities.

You both suck... I never managed to get an Amiga 500 when it was available. Now, I have to rely on WinUAE to "re"-live what I should have experienced first-hand 20 years ago. :)

The Commodore 128D (which I still have and care for) was the last computer I purchased before I got my first Intel-based PC ten years later.

Sounds like we're both relatively the same age. Those were good times. Long live the '80s. :)

E-Bay :-D

Oh believe me, I look often. On the rare occasion that I find one, I manage to lose out on the auction. Oh well...

As far as rocking goes, I beg to differ. Not trying to mock you, but IMO the Atari 1040 St rocked the music world by providing a low cost sequencer to struggling musicians who could not afford an expensive elitist Mac.

Two midi ports on the side made it possible to hook sequencing keyboards and samplers to the computer and simultaneously play and multitrack many instruments using Cubase software, which really was a gigantic leap forward for many musicians.

As a side note Atari at one time was owned by Hasbro.

True, but nothing revolutionized the electronic music industry like the SID (MOS 6581, and to a somewhat lesser extent, the MOS 8580). The SID sound is truly legendary.

Sounds, not sounded. The 6581 is still in use today.

http://www.sidstation.com/

http://www.ucapps.de/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HardSID

http://www.hypersynth.com/hypersid.html

:-D

That said, I liked the Atari ST myself but it wasn't an Amiga heh.

You learn something new every day. I'll have to check that out.

It uses a cut down version of XP and after 7 years XP is very stable in comparison. My mom has an Eee PC and any OS problem can be fixed by simply pressing F8 key on bootup which restores the OS' image file to factory default. These sort of systems probably have the same feature as well.

A number of years ago I had seen an almost complete Amiga 500 system for $10 at a used clothing store. It was missing the power adapter.

I had a full Commodore 128 system right after I had a Tandy CoCo 3 system. It was after the C128 that I got my first PC an Epson XT system.

Oh, those utils were fun. :) My C128 had a fast load cartridge and two floppy drives.

Oh, don't I know it. I bought an unpopulated HardSID Quattro over a year ago. I'm still missing a SID for the 4th slot (temporarily using two 8580s and a 6581 from my C64 and two C128s, and looking for a 6582... or better yet, another 6581). Together with ACID64 and the High Voltage SID Collection, it's nostalgic bliss. Thinking of getting the new HardSID 4U model with the VSTi plugin to use with FL Studio. :)

By the way, here's another link:

http://www.slayradio.org/home.php

Oh, and about that MIDIbox SID DIY project... cool as hell, but I still couldn't help but weep openly after seeing what they did to that breadbox. :(

Never wanted to either. It was my mother's Commodore. I had an Apple that had an operating system instead of a collection of obscurely labeled quirks. Still the Commode was vastly superior to Radio Shack's Trash 80 which had oxidizing connectors and a keyboard that needed a hack to stop the keys from repeating by accident.

Of course later she got a PC. I spent at least an hour trying to figure out how to to get a file listing.

Apple - a PC before I Be Mediocre called there collection of parts a PC = list

PC - that is not the only PC = dir

First day with a computer is always an adventure in jargon. I had typed 'list' so many times I didn't even think the letters. It just flowed out of my fingers. So dir was kind of hard to find in the 500 or so page book I had to look in.

Heh... fair enough. :)

I never been reading the articles here before.
But i sure have never seen so stupid replies ever in my life to this article.
Here we talk about a low cost laptop that barely runs dos i guess and you guys get upset how stupid MS is that they want to run "old" XP on it.
I have to ask, who is stupid here ??
MS trying to build an OS that runs on this very slow computer or..
You guys that think they should run VISTA on it instead HAHAHAHA
Thats really the best answer i seen how to make a low cost computer run an OS with yet good performance!!
You guys should be running MS instead of the people that work there, then microsoft would have lasted 20 days and been no more.

And the ones that dont understand why Office and such are good for their future have never been on an office or any place that at all where they use computers on daily bases.

I really have to check some other articles here, im sure im gonna have a good time reading about how you guys solves problems and your comments on other programs/hardwares.

You get 10/10 points for really good entertainment!

You should let your friend install windows and find the right drivers for your computer instead of you doing it, seems like you dont know what you are doing.

Please feel free to check out the other articles. While you're at it, try to learn how to properly reply with a relevant response to someone's post. By all means, don't be afraid to put it at the top of the list. We won't laugh at you, we promise.

Thank you for contributing to the entertainment.

For it is said.. all computers... even OSX.. fail in comparison to the t/s 1000. 2048 bytes of ram... 1/3 of that reserved for the video screen.. chicklet keyboard.. still one of the smallest computers ever made..

Now.. bow b4 el guapo... for he is... the guapo

The _hardware_ is more rugged, but the software will be as fragile as ever. Just think, a million-strong OLPC botnet. I can smell the v1@gr@ spam now.

Microsoft is only in this to nurture more Microsoft users in the future and continue to secure their monopoly over true competition and innovation. It's all they have left.

I don't promise not to laugh.

"I really have to check some other articles here, im sure im gonna have a good time reading about how you guys solves problems and your comments on other programs/hardwares."

Talk about silly posts.

The only problems that most people on this site attempt to solve is that there are people with vile and despicable opinions that in no way reflect the opinions of the person commenting on the previous person(if that made any sense at all I have failed miserably in obfuscating my point).

Myself, I attempt to solve this by not only occasionally acknowledging the actual article (no not this time) but mostly by picking on the most inept posters, as shooting fish in a barrel inflates my overweening ego. So as the poster with the MOST EGO here I do hereby declare your handle "uberman" null and void and a violation of my ego. Do something about it forthwith. Unterflunky will do nicely.

Sure i can post a response o to the people that i talked about in my reply.
But that would be very many of the same post and would mess up this very non offtopic post field and kinda ruin the idea to have this "comment on article" totally.

But keep on, continue your comment thats are very close to the subject of the article.

Well i cant promise that!

Hello friend with the nice NAZI name.

"I really have to check some other articles here, im sure im gonna have a good time reading about how you guys solves problems and your comments on other programs/hardwares."

That's precisely the point of this place. We've all been here building up this great content purely for the entertainment of superior humans like you.

For the guapo does not know why people prefer XP and OSX over a timex sincalir 1000 w/ a 16k ram pack. The T/S 1000 was and will always be the zenith of computing! Now.. bow 2 the guapo.

Dear WE. el.guapo:

Because all modern PC users are addicted to either Freecell or Minesweeper. Please port them to your chicletts powered machine, sell the machine and watch the people flock to your doorstep.