Gah...

No support for NVIDIA RAID still.

I was hoping the "wubi" bit would do an end-run around that issue. No such luck.

Hate having to manually reparition, boot to the live disc, download dmraid, yadda-yadda-yadda...

Any word from you fanboys as to when the Linux crowd is going to stop calling integrated RAID "FakeRAID" and start actually supporting it? It's not like it's going to go away any time soon...

(FWIW, Vista had no issues with it whatsoever, though XP hated it with a passion until I slipstreamed the text-mode driver into it. I have to admit the Ubuntu method is preferred to slipstreaming, IMO.)

I'm a fan of Linux RAID, I'll take it any day over FakeRAID (Any RAID that offloads parity calculation to the CPU and not it's CPU is FakeRAID in my book).

You can get dmraid working with NVidia MediaShield, but Linux's SWRaid will probably outperform it.

Most Linux users that want RAID (that's not hardware offloaded) will use MD, it's the best non hardware RAID implementation I've ever seen.

You lost me completely. ;)

My system has NVidia, and I'm dual-booting Vista.

AFAIK, dmraid is really my only option.

You have NVidia media shield, that's the NVidia MCP controller.

dmraid, it's OK but Linux SWRAID is better.

Disclaimer: I have a MediaShield RAID, and it doesn't perform as well as Linux SWRAID IMHO.

I wish they'd let Ubuntu run in a microsoft virtual pc environment ... i dont know if its linux or MS thats not allowing this, because my vista runs flawlessly and it'd be cool to have ubuntu running on it as well.

Try VirtualBox. It works fore me, and its free as open source. Its available at http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads.

Excellent VM proggy.

Hope Sun doesn't ruin it.

Had problems with vista, but this is a nice idea. I run Ubuntu on 2 of my machines and I love it. This is not "new" though. Wubi has been around for a while.

Surprised they didn't link to Wubi, since that's pretty much what the article is about.

For the google-impaired:
http://wubi-installer.org/

(Yes, El Dingo and sjc001...PC_Tool is providing links to Linux. Amazingly, it's not something I haven't done before.)

I want to check this out on my Win laptop (ideally without the usual fuss when trying desktop Linux). So I gather the ISO download from the BN link includes the Wubi emulator? What is your link about?

Heron has it built in. Once you insert the CD in a Windows OS you'll have the option of installing it like a program. It's basically wubi wrapped inside the install.

Fair warning to all. This doesn't seem to work well if you're using ahci enabled controllers and running Vista. IE: Most new laptops and new systems if you so choose (to use your sata 300 features like native command queuing, etc.). Seems to install as per usual but then flips out when you reboot from within the ubuntu install - doesn't find the installation you did 2 minutes ago. I don't know if this is a VISTA issue or an AHCI issue, but since I'm running both - it's either 1 of them or both. Tried to install on my laptop and the same thing happened.

Downloading Wubi (the link I posted) will start the install from your desktop. (you can get other things done while it's installing)

You can also download the ISO (Betanews link) and use the wubi installation to accomplish the same thing (it will install from the CD instead of downloading an "image", some say the "image" is faster, I would agree).

Too bad Canonical and Automatix parted ways. That was a sweet add-on and made it much more powerful and easy to use.

If they so badly wants to showoff Ubuntu on windows, why dont they just use coLinux, i use that on my windows machine to test other linux distros without having to reboot.. www.colinux.org if any wanna check it out.

that is pretty cool.

Interesting but maybe not suitable yet on systems you need to rely upon. From the top of the readme:

"WARNING:

Although Cooperative Linux may be actually useful on some setups
(e.g, stable setups), it is still meant for testing purposes only.
This means that running it may crash the host (Windows or Linux system)."

It's pretty easy to see why coLinux isn't on the Ubuntu 8.04 install.

From the CoLinux website:
"Next release candidate and recent kernel 2.6.22.18 is available from snapshot page."

From my Hardy OS:
$ uname -a
Linux htpc 2.6.24-16-generic #1 SMP Thu Apr 10 12:47:45 UTC 2008 x86_64 GNU/Linux

It's a little behind the kernel race.

yah, that is pretty cool.

"it installs Ubuntu onto a disk image that emulates a hard drive."

I'm not sure I understand the advantage over running Linux in, say, VirtualBox.
Can we share files between Windows and Linux? E.g. if I write/save a Python script in Windows, can I access and run it directly in Ubuntu?

It installs almost exactly like you would normally, except that you don't need to worry about partitions or hard drives, since it installs into a virtual hard drive. The advantages are obvious...the disadvantage is that if your hard drive file gets damaged for some reason - whoops, there went your OS.

I saw the wubi option on the 7.10 installation disk :P... but I've never tried it

I had the Last Beta of Ubuntu installed on my Vista laptop using Wubi. It worked flawlessly. Wonderful way to provide a way for people to use Linux without having to redo partitions. I am downloading the final release of Kubuntu and will try it with Wubi tomorrow.

8.04 is a BOON to Linux beginners.

GOOD FOR IT!!!

Also apparently English beginners. ;)

Actually he is speaking REAL english. Boon is a word and good for it is a common statement. Stop making us Americans look bad.

Well you could have atleast said that in better English. That was a terribly worded.

I migrated my desktops and laptops over the weekend, this is a ground breaking release. Printing, Wine, the updates to Gnome (gvfs, tomboy, date time applet), and the new compiz effects are nice.

EDIT: This is pretty cool.
http://www.ubuntu.com/pr...hatisubuntu/804features/

do you have to have a decent graphics card? or just the default one?

I have Intel I945s, ATI Xpress 200s, and NVidia 6200s.

None of them are considered "good" but they all work really well with Compiz.

Yeah... just try a 945 on vista aero... heh heh heh...

I use an intel 915 with ALL Compiz-Fusion effects on in PClinuxOS, and it still runs perfectly.

We could try to raise you 50 dollars to get a good video card :) How ever you look at it, Aero is slick. Or at least the being able to toggle having you desktop use the features of more powerful Video cards. I am upset with MS locking it down though, image if people could create their own (without the hack).

FF 3b5?

Half the extensions don't even work on that yet...

Meh... At least Google ported Picasa2 to Linux so that I can run that natively now. ;)

That and now that Evo is said to be working with Exchange, I might actually have to have another go at it.

Why? The cards that we have work just fine.

If I wanted to play games, I'd be running Vista or XP on a gaming rig. :-D

That said, I get all of the glitz you get with Aero with my cheap old cards.

Yeah, that is the suck but it leaves the door open to FF3 when it's released.

Heh..

It's connected to the net. Door was wide open regardless. :p

Gotta be bragging rights, but still...I'd never install FF 3.5 as a primary browser. It's good, but it's still beta.

I agree. This is in the press release and I couldn't believe my eyes how unprofessional those guys still are. This unfortunately makes the release immediately marked as a hack. How is this ever supposed to end up on the corporate desktop !!??

"Latest and Greatest Applications
Ubuntu 8.04 LTS raises the bar on the Linux desktop experience. It includes the latest, stable version of many core products, and in that spirit is the first distribution to bring Mozilla Firefox 3 (Beta 5) to millions of users. "

It's an LTS, that means it's a major revision freeze. Having FF Beta in the release allows them to move to it without violating their policies of it being an LTS.

I think that the Windows approach here is better, to release it then offer it as an update, but I'm not a Canonical employee.

Maybe it's my Macintosh days, but I like eye candy, and card games that come with this are butt ugly. Windows 3.1 days. But yes on a high end rig now with Vista. Once the new Xbox comes out, i'll most likely drop PC gaming.

That's what I'm trying to say.

We get the same eye candy that you get on high-end cards on low end cards.

;-D

Not really though. It's almost there but it's not the same. I have seen the "knock-offs" Even then if it is so good, make it the standard.

You just need to apt-get install compizconfig-settings-manager and tweak the extended configuration settings.

OK pretty cool - I have to play with it more.

This is great, but the installer's mirror takes forever .... or is just me?

It's release day, there are probably millions of users trying to get to it.

yep... but if you use bittorrent is a lot faster...I downloaded it this morning and only take me 3 hours with a 600kbps adsl.

Go to "ftp://mirrors.kernel.org". I've yet to find a faster FTP or web site.

Installed nice - no problems. But really the OS is kinda slow, games are butt ugly, and most of the free programs also run under Windows, including Vista. But - it was nice to have both and it did work and if you have use Linux it's a good flavor to use.

Ubuntu Linux 8.04 runs faster than Windows 3.1 does on an Intel Core 2 or AMD Athlon 64 processor.

It starts up and shuts down faster. But on the same PC (I have test PC at work - note tested with a clean install), on a restart, first thing, open OpenCalc. Time it. It took the same time to open on XP and Ubuntu. Vista was about the same. Then close it, and then reopen it. In Windows, a blink of an eye (cache). Don't get me wrong, I like Ubuntu. But 1 - get rid of the crap like the 80's versions of games. I would rather have a clean install of things that might be used as well as the best of the best (such as OpenOffice). But this review was more on this version - it worked. I was impressed.

I went this route a few days ago myself. Installed it on Vista SP1 w/o any problems. All seems to be working fine so far.

I did it as well the other day. Went without a hitch.

Dual Boot was nice.

Screen resolution stunk though, so I didn't keep it.

What graphics card?

The default screen resolution in Windows is exactly the same? (1024x768 IIRC, although I think Ubuntu actually detected my native resolution. I forget,)

I did it. It works fine. I like the dual boot to Ubuntu and XP.