LOL gotta love the US goverment. yet another merger goes threw and still Sirius and XM merger still in Limbo. There is by far corruption in the ranks!!!!!!!

Google is getting worse than Microsoft or Apple ever thought of being, but everyone LOVES them. I don't get it.

Google is getting worse than Microsoft or Apple ever thought of being

At what? Fending off FUD spewing trolls?

Can you give any examples?

Well aside from the article you just read about buying up companies and firing off the staff there is their horrible privacy policies, their whining to the EU and getting the instant search feature crippled in Vista, crying foul about one company buying another and then doing the same things themselves, etc.

They basically have a search monopoly and are buying up everything else in sight, but for some reason that's ok. Any other company does that and people scream. So many have this idea that Google are a bunch of saints, but they aren't. They are just another company out to make profits and they'll screw anyone over they can to get them.

That's a reasonable and well thought out reply. I wasn't trolling there though, I seriously think Google gets away with stuff no other company would because they're looked upon like some great charity organization.

Such as....?

(I'll keep giving you chances, don't feel pressured or anything)

Well aside from the article you just read about buying up companies and firing off the staff

"may be reductions in headcount"

I wouldn't exactly call that firing off the staff. You wouldn't be calling the game before the play is made, would you?

there is their horrible privacy policies

The same one's your ISP has. And your Phone company. And your Cell company. ...and probably the company you work for? Yeah, those suck....

their whining to the EU and getting the instant search feature crippled in Vista

I agree, that was BS.

crying foul about one company buying another and then doing the same things themselves

Stockholder issues. Nothing personal.

They basically have a search monopoly

Show me the numbers. I doubt they have even the Eu's lax definition of a monopoly (39.7%), certainly not the US's definition (~75%).

So many have this idea that Google are a bunch of saints, but they aren't.

What have they DONE?????

They are just another company out to make profits and they'll screw anyone over they can to get them.

WHO did they SCREW?

there is their horrible privacy policies

The same one's your ISP has. And your Phone company. And your Cell company. ...and probably the company you work for? Yeah, those suck....


Wow, your ISP keeps records of every search term you have ever entered? Your phone company records all of your conversations? Wow that does suck, I'd switch if I were you.

Show me the numbers. I doubt they have even the Eu's lax definition of a monopoly (39.7%), certainly not the US's definition (~75%).

Oh come on with the number games. Everyone uses Google, it's actually a verb now for searching on the internet. Can any other search engine honestly compete with them? Yahoo might be able to hold up a little but basically Google is the Microsoft of search engines.

WHO did they SCREW?

I said they would, and they will. Just like any other company. As I said they are just trying to make a profit like all the others and if they have a chance to step on someone and get away with it to get a bit more power or money they will.

Wow, your ISP keeps records of every search term you have ever entered? Your phone company records all of your conversations? Wow that does suck, I'd switch if I were you.

Your ISP has logs. They don't purge them, just as google does not purge theirs. Same for the phone companies. Try again, spanky.

Oh come on with the number games. Everyone uses Google,

If you are going to call them a monopoly and use that as an excuse to bash them, you'd damned well better be ready to back it up with actual numbers. Otherwise, you're just running your mouth off about stuff you know nothing about. Don't call "monopoly" unless you know it.

I said they would, and they will.

Wanna sell me that Crystal Ball? Wanna show me what past actions of theirs might indicate such a penchant?

So...

you called them a monopoly, but you can't back that up.

You said they aren't saints, but you can't put a finger on anything in particular that might actually explain such an accusation.

and...

You said they'd screw over anyone they could get to...and again failed to provide any possible means of justification for such a statement.

So you're apparently full of it.

Hate to break it to you, but Big™ does not equal Evil™ just because you say so.

Your ISP has logs. They don't purge them, just as google does not purge theirs. Same for the phone companies. Try again, spanky.

Your ISP doesn't keep a record of every term you search for Spanky. Just the IP address and time stamp of sites you visit. Also they do purge them on a regular basis, Google does not.

I never said they were evil either. I said they aren't saints like all the little Google fanboys believe they are. You're apparently one of them so I'm not going to waste any more time . You haven't disproven one thing I've said anyway.

Your ISP doesn't keep a record of every term you search for Spanky. Just the IP address and time stamp of sites you visit.

LMAO...

Nice to know there's a line, at least.

*shakes head*

Also they do purge them on a regular basis, Google does not.

Not going to back that up, are ya? Didn't think so.

o arguing with a Google Fanboy though.

All I am asking you for is proof or at least some inkling of a basis in "reality" for the accusations you have made.

That makes me a fanboy???

What's ironic is that you have none.

Doesn't that make you a troll?

I mean, come on, you're bashing them, accusing them, and you've got *nothing* to back it up except, "Well, they will...trust me".

That's BS and you know it....trust me.

Doesn't that make you a troll?

Right, anything you don't agree with makes the other person a troll.

I'm in total agreement with your statement. People need to understand that their privacy went south a long time ago. It's strange they'd think their protection packages are impregnable when there are so many articles stating that antiviruses, antispyware, and firewalls just can't keep up with the bad guys. Perfect privacy and security are for those living in a dream world.

Most google applications for home users are free and are advertising supported,

Because they dont charge the end user consumers are happy, because big business is getting their advertising delivered in the most popular web 2.0 applications they are happy, and because Google are making cash money on every page view / impression they are happy.

The only loosers are company's like Microsoft who are for the first time in 20 years trying to catch up to a competitor (instead of buying them out (E.g. Visio) or pushing them out of the market (e.g. Netscape) )

and Yahoo who had the search engine market wrapped up before google showed up.

First time ever I have agreed 100% with the PC_Tool

altho as far as the vista search issue goes, you need to take the good with the bad, Google is responsible for Microsoft not being able to open links with IE when IE is not your default browser

*laughing*

Agree with what???

Baseless accusations not a *single* person here can back up with *any* evidence?

Yeah, you got me.

*shakes head*

I cannot believe *you* of all people cannot see the total lack of logic behind your accusations.

9h0s7:
The point there was that Google, UNLIKE everyone else is becoming and actually being a monopoly WHILE pretending to be not "evil" (as its slogan goes). But in reality google has become such a monstrosity, that ANY sector it enters firms are dead afraid of it, because it throws a ton of money, hires best people and well, that's it. And LIKE other monopolies it's trying to diversify into everything, phones, radio, newspapers, magazines, medicine etc. And nobody can't do a thing about, since its billion empire. And why are they the best in business? Of course because they know EVERYTHING (that does not mean 100%, but rather a huge amount) about us AND trying to get more, by offering us google apps, google calendar, making medical sites, etc. I mean, think about this, google gathers more and more information on everyone DAY BY DAY.

The problem is that google doesn't understand that a good business has to LET other businesses live/exist too, and not kill them off by simply throwing more money and conquesting business sectors.

But the thing that pisses me the most about it, is still the fact that it continues doing what it does while saying that's it's trying to be good. I mean, it provides email service, and shows ads based on the content of my letter. And even though I know this is done by a machine and not a person, it's still an invasion of my privacy. It's GTalk does not delete logs, even if I want them deleted. And I can go on and on about things like this. Google invades our privacy, while at the same time claiming it's decent and honest. I mean, cmon, its ONLY about money. Is and always be. But if it would not claim that its not, the privacy issues would be easier to accept.

Google - take it easy and let other firms LIVE too. The good thing tho, is that search engine is something that people can switch from in a second. Amen to that.

P.S. Ohh, and did I mention that they are afraid of competition? The day MS made their offer for Yahoo! google complained that it was anti-competitive. And that coming from a company with 60%+ share in almost EVERY market. I mean, they are buying up whatever they can/want, but nooooo, everyone else should just sit back and watch them dominate.

In other worlds Google is becoming Walmart.

And even though I know this is done by a machine and not a person, it's still an invasion of my privacy.

What an interesting definition of privacy you must have...

I always thought of it as, "No-one else sees it", which is pretty much covered.

It's GTalk does not delete logs, even if I want them deleted.

Guess what? Neither does your hard drive.

Ever tried *permanently* deleting something? Takes forever. If your PC (or Google) permanently deleted everything, instead of marking it "safe to be written over", everything we do would take exponentially longer than it does now.

Google invades our privacy,

Only by your pretty skewed definition. They do not spy, or release any data without permission.

Google - take it easy and let other firms LIVE too.

Yeah...stop killing MSN...and Yahoo...and Jeeves...and Ask . Oh,wait...

They *aren't*.

Who, exactly, *have* they put out of business?

Onetime, I thought Google was the Gentleman player in the search world, today I think otherwise.

Fast becomming a Monopoly, a thing they accused Micr$oft of being..

"..they accused Micr$oft of being."
and MS accuses Google of being. What's your point? Google is out to make money and make it a house hold name, which it already is. It seems like Google still has its eyes on its main business.. searching. While MS and yahoo home pages are filled with ads and useless celeb gossip googles home page has one thing on it.. search

According the the US, a monopoly, by itself, ain't a bad thing.

According to the EU, anyone with over 39.7% of the market is a monopoly, and must play by different rules (such as being forced to release trade-secrets) that the US would only seek to apply to those monopolies convicted of Anti-trust violations.

According the EU, I am sure Google qualifies in one way or another, as does Apple, I am sure in the iPod arena.

I am sure many other companies can...and will...be named that also fit that bill.

PC_Tool, just give it up man. I am surprised that you are defending google tooth and nail with such fevor. If this does not reek of fanboyism, than what does? I really hope you have shares with them at least.

I agree with a valid point that Google complained rather hypocratically about the Yahoo + Microsoft deal and goes ahead and does a simliar acquisition itself.

I also think that the EU is unfairly biased against Microsoft, from following the hefty fines imposed unto them. At least treat them the same so that they can compete in the business world as equals.

PS I admire Google's approach to business; hire the best people in the field and spend lots of money building products that outperform others and dominate the market. Kinda like Microsoft ... only more ruthless.

"While MS and yahoo home pages are filled with ads and useless celeb gossip googles home page has one thing on it.. search"

If you want to make a comparison like that at least do it fairly. Compair each companies 'search' engine homepage and you will find they all contain only one thing...search

What have I done to defend Google other than ...

...ask you idiots accusing them of being evil to show some actual evidence of it.

...which none of you can seem to do.

Get a grip people.