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Look at how gawd21 makes an a** of himself by claiming that Opera was an "ad/spyware company". When he claimed that, he misled people into thinking that:

1. Opera was spyware
2. Opera Software's business model was ads

He was wrong on both accounts.

1. Opera never was or had spyware
2. Opera Software is a browser company, not an ad company

OMFG can't you freaking read you stupid little child. I even broke it down into terms that a child could understand, yet you still don't have a clue.

This whole tread reminds me of the King of the Hill that was just on about where Dale wouldn't listen to his dad trying to tell him that he was gay, all he wanted to hear was that there was something that he didn't like about his dad. So he thought of the worse thing and took that and ran with it. Thinking that his dad worked for the GOV.

For all of those that had to try and fight with me about the "ad/spyware" crap, just do a Google search and see how many Millions put adware in the same category as spyware, thus the name ad/spyware and I will even break that down for you. "adware" with the "/" meaning and or "spyware". This should clear things up a bit. I don't feel that I should have had to do this, but I guess I did. Let me say one more thing. Stop taking things so personal when someone says something that you don't like about a company that you don't own, run, or anything else, other than offer a product that you use.

You can't get away from the fact that you called Opera a spyware company. You could have written "adware company", although that would have been wrong too.

Opera's business models isn't ads. It's selling software.

You are just a ****ing moron. Learn to freaking read!

Dude, just because millions do it doesn't make it right.

Just sayin'

Adware and spyware are entirely different beasts. Adware is there by permission and generally does no harm, Spyware infests, destroys privacy and system stability.

Lumping the two of them together is wrong no matter how many people are doing it.

Relax, man. Just say you dislike companies that support their software with ads. There ain't nothing wrong with that.

This whole topic is based on a misunderstanding and a lot of over-emotional folks who need to find something better to do.

We all know Opera was at one point supported by ads. Some of us agree with there (here), and some of us don't (above). Let's leave it at that and talk about how Opera is *now*, eh? Who gives a rats-ass what it was a year ago?

Their model was getting a product out there and to be recognized as a respectable browser so that they could enter the embedded market as they now have.

One of the ways this was accomplished was through ad-supported development of said browser.

That made the Opera Browser "Adware", and by extension, the Opera Co. and Adware supported company.

But who really gives a sh1t? They don't do it anymore, no one was ever *forced* to use it, and it didn't harm the systems of those who did.

Can we really shut up about this now? Please?

That is what I was trying to do with that post. I was breaking it all down in to the basics, so that a small child would be able to understand it. I do honestly believe that my 5 year old son understands the difference of saying spyware and ad/spyware. People are just to fast to try and kill someone when they are the ones that are reading in to something more than what is there as well as not reading everything. Is it my fault that people want to only read part of something and not the whole thing and then get pissed about what little they did read? Also this is an English based forum and the rules of English should apply as with my use of the / in place of saying the two words "and" and "or". I know it's not perfect English, but even your children know what it means. If I made the statement; He owes you an arm/leg for payment. What would you think I said? That he owed you both an arm and a leg? Could understood that way. How's this one; I may have just won a cash/prize from this company and I have to send in my ticket to see what I won. Doesn't that sound like and "and or" to you?

My point is that people need to read what is written and not add mental notes to it while reading it. It does change things. Also, stop getting so upset when people don't feel the same about a company/product that you do.

EDIT: Not saying that you PC_Tools did, I was being rhetorical.

what's the point of your post? it's not offering any comments on opera...

Opera entered the embedded market many years ago, probably before they released Opera with ads. Remember, Opera 4 and before didn't have ads.

You would have to read the whole thread to understand.

Getting rid of falsehoods:
- Opera WAS ad supported, not adware. Adware like ISTBar and others are considered malware.

"What I am talking about is that Kazaa did the same thing"...
Kazaa infected a users computer with loads of well know spyware. There is no comparison between Opera and Kazaa. Opera was never considered malware by any reliable malware site.

- Opera is not bloated. It is smaller than IE or FF.

- Opera's UI can be easily adjusted to look anyway you want.

Ad supported = adware DUH!!! As for it being like Kazaa, yes it was, in fact that it was adware supported!

Comparing Kazaa to Opera says it all. Kazaa, 123 Messenger, 180 Solutions, 180SearchAssistant, Bonzi, and Gator install difficult to remove
programs without the users knowledge.

If you wish to compare Opera to CoolWebSearch and the Sober virus too, be my guest.

Ok, So being force fed ads isn't harmful to you and is welcome? OK, well enjoy your confused and controlled life.

Have you ever heard the old saying,"Evil company corrupts good habits"? In this case it is saying that the more you see something the more likely you are to trust it no matter how bad it truly is. AKA Adware. However Opera is no longer adware so you are safe from this software, but from your comments you will be another mass buyer of trash you will never ever use.

Gee, thanks for judging my entire life.
It tells us more about you than anything.

Opera was never unsafe to begin with, so you are being deceptive, dishonest and misleading with your comments.

Opera showed ads, but it did not come bundled with adware/spyware.

Also, adware isn't necessarily spyware. If it only has ads and does not spy on the user, it is not spyware, and not malware.

You are just a ****ing moron. Learn to freaking read!

This whole tread reminds me of the King of the Hill that was just on about where Dale wouldn't listen to his dad trying to tell him that he was gay, all he wanted to hear was that there was something that he didn't like about his dad. So he thought of the worse thing and took that and ran with it. Thinking that his dad worked for the GOV.

For all of those that had to try and fight with me about the "ad/spyware" crap, just do a Google search and see how many Millions put adware in the same category as spyware, thus the name ad/spyware and I will even break that down for you. "adware" with the "/" meaning and or "spyware". This should clear things up a bit. I don't feel that I should have had to do this, but I guess I did. Let me say one more thing. Stop taking things so personal when someone says something that you don't like about a company that you don't own, run, or anything else, other than offer a product that you use.

I like opera, I like firefox, I don't like IE. I use firefox more than Opera because Opera renders a LOT of pages incorrectly. Those of you in opera look at the heading of the betanews site. Its all unaligned. Many other sites do similar things as well. Opera has a sweet UI, firefox has a simple UI. That is 100"% my opinion you may think differently. Some people say opera is faster than firefox. I say it is depending on the site. If the site has pictures firefox blows opera away. If not, opera blows firefox away. Someone said firefox is bloated. Please tell me your not serious. Opera is so much more bloated than firefox. Firefox is the bare minimum you need. I like both browsers. Happy to hear IE isnt going to be used in planes.

"Opera is so much more bloated than firefox."

How is Opera more bloated?

Opera is a smaller download, uses less memory, and is faster. And the UI is very simple and hides "everything" until you actually start using it. You won't even notice features until you start using them.

How exactly is Opera bloated?

wow, you seriously have no idea what Opera is, if that is your opinion.

I am using Opera right now. The header to BetaNews is fine. It runs much faster then FF, and it is far less bloated. I can open 10 tabs and still use under 10MB of ram, while with FF, opening 10 tabs uses ~60MB+. They both ship with the BARE mininum for a browser, so that statement is completely invalid. And Opera even beats out FF on pictures, because once its loaded, it is loaded from the cache unless specified. FF loads the picture EVERY TIME. The only things I do agree with you on is that both browsers are good, and that IE isnt going to be used on planes.

This is bugging the sh*t out of me. Firefox may load a second or two slower, but it loads more pages and it also has extensions. Opera has little to nothing and doesn't even load 80% of the code. So yeah it loads faster. As I have said several times, when it supports extensions then I will use it. Also when it gets to where it correctly loads as many pages as FF or IE then you can say what is better and what is not. Yes Opera it loads faster, it loads less.

I have never had a single issue with it not loading anything, except a quick edit button on vBulletin

You are one in a million.

Fantastic. Now I can enjoy terrible airline food AND a terrible broswer UI. Curses.

YEAH, TERRIBLE! SHOULDA BEEN FIREFOX LOLZORS!!!!111

FIRE FOX ROOLSZZZSS!!!!! **** THIS OPERA s*** ****!1!!!!

OPERAS TERRIBLE BROSWER UI IS TERRIBLE!!!!! TRUST ME I KNOW!!!!

[sarcasm] Like Firefox's UI is sooo perfect :P [/sarcasm]

Great! Maybe I would enjoy a flight than... ;)

I think such posts (gawd21) should be deleted by the editors. They are not relevant to the subject and are false (Opera is now Freeware).

Dude you are a retard. Your post isn't on the topic and yes mine was, it said, "Who new that an ad/spyware company would make it this far". Talking about Opera and your talks about how you can't read.

Who new that an ad/spyware company would make it this far and still so many numbers stick up for them. Let the flames fly.
Before you go on and on about the ad/spyware... Opera was support by it and you know that, unless you paid for it. What I am talking about is that Kazaa did the same thing and you all cried about it, but let Oprea go. Hmmm. Hyp hyp hypocrites.

I have never heard about any spyware bundled with Opera. Maybe you know. If so, write something less vague.

I bought my first Opera browser when in v.3.60. I paid approx. 30 $. Next came adware versions. I bought my license for Opera 7.10. Now I use the free version because I have no choice :-).

BTW, I also use Opera Mini for mobiles http://opera.com/products/mobile/operamini Works great.

There is a huge difference between advertising-funded applications and spyware.

Adware simply means it has advertising in it, which is perfectly acceptable as you are receiving the program for free. Kazaa had spyware, which ran hidden software in the background, caused pop-up ads, changed the default homepage and hijacked Web searches.

The two aren't even in the same ballpark. You see ads while browsing the Web and watching TV every day.

Moderators, please score this troll down. Opera's strength has always been as a business selling embedding browsers and writing small-footprint, slick, browser bundles.

I have been using Opera on and off since version 3.6 on BeOS - it's had ads until recently, but now it's ad-free.

Every browser that uses third party cookies becomes spyware! Next you have the ungodly ads. If I wanted more ads I would watch TV.

Yeah, so it's ad free NOW, but it wasn't. So who is the troll?

I do not ask about the price, because it is obvious.
I ask you to show all the spyware you suggested above. You clearly wrote "spyware company". So where is the spyware? Be precise, please!

So any browser you do not wish to take the time to disable 3rd party cookies on, you call spyware?

You, sir, are an idiot.

LOLZ!!!! SPYWARE YEAH OPERA SUXXORS SPYWARE!!!!

CUZ OPERA LIKE SPIES ON YOU AND STUFF AND I KNOW CUZ I USE FIRE FOX TEH BEST BROSWER IN THE PLANET NO IN THE UNIVERSE!!!!!!

AND U KNOW THOSE TV ADS THEY ARE SPYWAREING ON YOU TOO!!! WHEN YOU WATCH TV THE ADS SPY ON YOU AND LIKE SEE YOU NEKKID AND s***!!!! SERIOUS!!!!!1

I refuse to respond to this obvious troll!

Oops, I did...

Ok, since I'm already typing this:

Opera is not a spyware company, and the software has never contained spyware. Of course, Firefox fanboys are eager to lie about Opera in any way they can because they know that Firefox is nothing but an Opera ripoff (most of Firefox's best features were ripped straight from Opera), and this infuriates them no end.

Next thing you know the Firefox fanboy rumor on the street will be that the Opera people eat babies. Anything to put down Opera eh, gawd21? You can't get it in any other way, so you resort to lies.

WHBT.

Read more about people likw gawd21 in the first part of this page:

http://www.techbuilder.o...Id=164301762&pgno=4

Sorry, but this is nonsense. Opera's ads were never spyware in the first place.

So Opera beats Firefox, hands down. Get over it. Don't be a sore loser. Accept the fact that Firefox sucks compared to Opera, stop spewing out lies about Opera, and spend your time reporting Firefox bugs instead to make it better.

You are simply not making sense, as none of this is relevant to your claim that Opera is spyware, which was of course a lie anyway.

Don't worry, Firefox might be able to catch up with where Opera is today in a decade or so. If it can get rid of the bloat, that is...

Can any of you retards read? I have not edited that post. YOU NEED to go back and read it again. Ever damn one of you trolls. I put it in a category of AD/spyware where AD software goes. Stop acting like little children that had their favorite toy taken away and read it again retards.

Can't gawd21 understand? Adware is NOT the same as Spyware! Besides Opera is now freeware..and has been for almost a month and a half, so what the cobblers you talking about?

Seeing how I never said anything bad about Opera and you are the one acting like a "fan boy" and not me, I think that you really should grow up. Where did I state anything about Opera being inferior to anything else or where I said anything about Firefox? I clearly stated that It was amazing that an AD/spyware company made it that far. As anyone with even an IQ of 70 can tell you that ADware goes in the Ad/SPYware category. So flame me and show the world that you can not read are incorrect.

yokozuna You state that I, as you put it, "You clearly wrote "spyware company".". Where did you get this. Look back and see none of my posts have the word edit in them and none say what you put in quotes either.

Read my first post where I used the key word "WAS" and as you still prove that you can't read. I just stated that adware goes in the same category as ad/spyware. Are you that freaking stupid?

"Who new that an ad/spyware company would make it this far and still so many numbers stick up for them."

You do know what the difference between adware and spyware right? Adware is usually software that contains advertisements.. usually intergrated into the user interface, spyware is much more sinister, its programs that run in the background, which can monitor anything from browsing habits to grabbing your passwords and personal data. By the way the advertisements that were within Opera's User Interface would'nt harm the PC anyway, it doesnt use dreaded IE's trident engine to display it. And by the way all browsers allow use of 3rd party cookies and have the option to disable them. So we should call all internet browsers spyware? Idiot.

No it's just that your IQ is 69 or less.

Dude are you still trying to prove that you are right when you're so lost? I mean, come on. Do you even know what a "category" is? Have you gotten out of the 4th grade, yet? When you learn to read then come back and try again. I don't think God could explain it to you.

"By gawd21

posted Nov 1, 2005 - 10:38 AM

Who new that an ad/spyware company..."

So? Where's the spyware? Or are you just going to insult the folks asking you to *gasp* back up your claim.

Simple question, but you seem determined not to respond with anything more than childish insults.

Spyware: Programs surreptitiously installed on your system to track web-usage, display targeted ads, open ad-windows, send info back to home base.

Adware: Any program using ads as a source of revenue whether said program is free of charge or not.

So, you mistakenly claimed Opera had spyware, and meant to just claim it had adware...which we all knew, right?

In the future, just use the term "malware", instead of specifying, as it does not lead to these lame-ass flamewars.

I really expected more form you PC Tool. Do you need me to explain what a "category" is?

I really expected more form you PC Tool. Do you need me to explain what a "category" is?

edited above post to be more clear. re-read. I believe malware is the term you were looking for.

No. Do I need to explain it to you?

Adware serves a specific function.

Spyware serves a specific funtion.

Neither are categories.

Both are included in the catagory of malware. Is that the term you were looking for?

OK, just to settle this; Yes, malware. On a side note, It was called ad/spyware long before the word "malware" was invented.

AD/spyware?

lmao..

You mean malware, the catagory used to describe such things as virii, spyware, trojans, and such.

And no, adware was not originally in that catagory as it doesn't traditionally harm your system, but for arguments sake, since most folks have a great dislike for it, it's been lumped in there so many times it may as well be.

I don't think anyone would argue with you that it contained adware...it's how they paid for it's development and to get it some market-share.

The big issue most folks have with your comment is that it contained the word "spyware", and no matter how you use it, it references malware and that is incorrect. Opera has never contained malware.

I really want to stop this, trust me...but...

adware isn't *really* malware as it doesn't harm your system. It's just been lumped in with that bunch so many times people assume it is.

Had you just said adware, no-one would have argued, and may well have responded with,

"Duh."

since it was obvious to anyone who used it while it contained said adware.

Anyway, enough. Just say "malware" or "adware" from now on and we'll nopt have to go through this again.

That is fine. I do wonder when the "/" stopped meaning and or when used as such.

EDIT: I posted clarification up several posts.

This is bugging the sh*t out of me. Firefox may load a second or two slower, but it loads more pages and it also has extensions. Opera has little to nothing and doesn't even load 80% of the code. So yeah it loads faster. As I have said several times, when it supports extensions then I will use it. Also when it gets to where it correctly loads as many pages as FF or IE then you can say what is better and what is not. Yes Opera it loads faster, it loads less.

"I clearly stated that It was amazing that an AD/spyware company made it that far."

See, now you are being dishonest again.

You just said so yourself: You claimed that Opera was spyware, which it wasn't. Opera never spied on its users.

Opera is a browser company, not an "ad/spyware company". It never was an "ad/spyware company". Ads are not and were not Opera's business model. They sell software, not ads.

"Ad/spyware" is not a software category. You are just trying to save face after making a fool of yourself by claiming that Opera was spyware.

Everyone else knows that you said "ad/spyware company", and that was deceptive, dishonest and misleading, and claiming that Opera contained spyware.

You are just a ****ing moron. Learn to freaking read!