I doubt PS3 could be any more unreliable than the lauch of the Xbox360, with units catching fire and such, and the MASSIVE failure rates.

People here have very short memories, and are sucked in by sensationlism journelism.

Lets face it, as soon as 1 single PS3 overheats, Ed Oswald will be here reporting about how PS3's have overheating problems.

This is completely off topic, but since this is the most recent article about the PS3 and I'm sure there are Xbox360 fans reading this article to laugh at Sony, I figured this is as good a place as any to post this. Anyway, to help dispell the concerns of those boasting the storage capacity of Bluray discs for games with big high-resolution textures that use up a huge chunk of storage, and whether or not 1 DVD9 disc will be enough to house games of the future, here's an article about "new" texture compression technologies, already being used in an upcoming Xbox live arcade game.

http://www.winbeta.org/c...php?id=4967&catid=1

I think this can end that debate.

nice find

Now watch Mark Gillespie pop up and say "but but but Sony..." and give some ridiculous reason why this new technology won't matter.

I had a nice idea when i was taking dump today ;p
Why cant they just replace the hdd with a hdd based mp3 player that can also act like a hard disk when connected to console.
Man i would love that.
They will be able to push their Walkman brand that way.
Sony Music store is there and PS3 will be there to download stuff.

sounds nice, doesn it? but i guess it would be too big for an mp3 player... or maybe not. 'if it worked', yeah, they could push the Walkman/All Data Storage/PS3 Drive far far. Would be very nice!!

I am not sure, but my 6th sense tells me that this is conspiracy...

I just hope that the dreaded Disc Read Error problem is solved. The lens on the PS2 sucks.

I don't think any of you who have commented here have really researched the difference between the Xbox 360 and Playstation 3.

Sony has three things going against them right now.
The first is of course the fact that Microsoft got a year's head start on the seventh generation of gaming consoles.
The second is the fact that Microsoft has a huge following from the Xbox, which means game developers are more likely to continue developing games for the Xbox 360.
The third is the fact that Sony lost a lot of people's respect with the Rootkit issue, as well as the ongoing battle with recalling Laptop batteries.

But still, have you really checked out the specs of the PS3? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_3

Both the Xbox 360 and the Wii are using PowerPC based processors, while the PS3 will use the Cell Broadband Engine processor. This will be the first time a gaming console use the Cell processor, which is of course the same branch of processors used in the world's fastest super computers.

Not to mention the fact that Linux will be pre-installed on the hard drive, and the platform for game development will be based on open source code.

Just look at all the licensed and sublicensed technology that the PS3 will include!

And of the three major 7th generation gaming consoles, the PS3 is the only one to use an nVidia graphics chipset, as opposed to ATI.

Of course you're gonna have hardcore ATI fans, just as there are hardcore nVidia fans.

Still, I don't think the PS3 will fail, in fact, I think over the next few years, the PS3 will make the XBox 360 seem like a 4th generation gaming console.

And the fact that PS1 and PS2 games will be able to be played on the PS3 without modification chips just means the user base has just quadrupled. I promise you more people own PS2s than Xboxs.

divine logic i agreed with your post mostly til you said more people own PS2's than xboxs. while that may be true that is only cause PS2 has more games and was on the market for a full year before the xbox was. And also most people didn't know if they could trust the Xbox to be a quality home console system at first. Sony's days at number 1 are numbered in the console market i think. I believe they will really start to lose market share the next round of consoles.

Thats all very well and good, but you seam to comment on everything else appart from what the article says.

point is it appears that the investors and financial analysts are worried about the Ps3's future to compete. This is down to the performance of the console. It also has worrying performance in regard to its memory access.

http://www.theinquirer.n...ault.aspx?article=32171

but conflicting opinions in this matter will only be answered when it is released and we get to see the games performance.

I think you have a pretty good point. I'm sure developers were also a little hesitant to focus too much on xbox, not knowing how well it would do or how serious MS really was.

Now its a different story since MS is very commited and devs are now seeing how well it works.

LOL, people are still digging that inaccurate article up..

The article was later discovered to be flawed in it's assumptions, as it was passed to this guy by someone he was chatting to on a plane...

Seems any old crackpot can post some tripe, and people will link to it believing it to be true.

Hmm something bad about Sony and Mark is nowhere to be found. But if there is something good posted about MS then Mark is right there tearing it down "the best he can". Anyway my prediction that I am throwing out right now is the failure rate for the PS3 will be higher than the 360 when it is all said and done. That is my prediction anyway.

not a sony fanatic, but I like some of their stuff :) (always feel you have to preface where you stand in these forums) ;p

I do think it's a matter of poor ventilation. Whether that's made worse by the displays is unknown. I've worked in electronic retail, and when we did these displays, they were prone to heat build up...big time. Especially if they had some neon.

Now of course, it could also be the compact design of these things, any of the 3 competitors. Sony did have issues with the old ps1/2 units and heat. But they managed to fix them.

I don't think heat issues will affect the PS3.

Yeah, it is poor ventilation. But as I stated in a comment down below, stores will (as they did/do with 360's) have consoles in kiosks with poor ventilation.

If the consoles can't go a week without failing, then its a problem. 360's have failed due to poor ventilation in kiosks, but not after 1 week. I think this problem may prove to be bigger than expected.

Meanwhile, PSM3 Mag got their hands on an actual PS3 and reports that it runs cool and quiet. Gee, maybe the PS3 problems at TGS had something to do with the units being on for 3 days, behind closed glass, with show floor lights shining on them?

http://www.psm3mag.com/p...y=ps3_power_up_pics_and

http://www.psm3mag.com/p...eets_psm3_the_aftermath

That's nice but you'll have to forgive me if I don't find the report from a biased Playstation magazine that a single console Sony sent to them worked fine for the short time they had it very comforting.

http://www.kotaku.com/as...09/powered_by_namco.jpg

And how do you think they'll run in stores kiosks??

Not to mention - what is the environment like that PSM3 Mag ran them in ?

Amen

PSWhat? PSWho?

All you need to know is that you will be buying a Nintendo Wii on Nov.19.

You know what this reminds me of? The Apple II. In this case the Playstation 2. They continued to have amazing sales for years, then Apple/Sony came out with the Apple III/PS3. They were very expensive, had overheating issues and didn't sell very well at all. Even after launch the Apple II continued to wipe the floor with the Apple III in sales. I think the same thing is going to happen to Sony. The PS2 is going to beat the PS3 in the end.

I AM NOT A MICROSOFT FAN BOY. My gut instinct is telling me that ps3 is gona fail. (any of you remember when the dreamcast came out it destroyed all other systems at the time, but that didnt mater it failed0 thats why i bought my 360, they basicly will have all the same games. GTA4 anyone. gtaVICE CITY was the reason i bought my ps2 over a xbox. ps2 also had better games and looked better at the time. but look what happend, XBOX kicks its ass. With a extra year in game development the 360 is just gona destory. if ps3 makes it more than 2 years i might buy one just for the few games that 360 wont have. I will deffenatly be buying the WII on launch day becase its gona kick a** and be alot of fun to play. but you can quote me on this PS3 is gona fail!

Sega basically killed the Dreamcast when they pulled out of the hardware business, it didn't exactly fail. It most likely would have remained behind the PS2 but it still could have done ok. In fact they are still making games for it to this day and in Japan they started selling them again.

I don't think the PS3 is going to fail, there are too many fanatics that will buy one no matter what. In my opinion it's not going to be the leading console anymore though, and I think they are going to lose a fortune on it when all is said and done. This could be the last Playstation if things don't start going better for them.

Dreamcast failed because it was losing 70-80% profit due to piracy. Their own fault though, basing the system off windows operating system, (it was easily cracked). No mod-chip was required to get games working.

Piracy was an issue, but I don't think it's what killed the Dreamcast. How many people even had CD burners back then, or high speed internet? The PS2 was a big problem because it could play DVDs and the Japanese ate it up. Sega was already in trouble financially because of all their past blunders with the Saturn and the whole Genesis addons fiasco. They lost lots of brand loyalty because of that. I think it was really a combination of lots of things. If the Dreamcast would have had the ability to play DVDs it probably would have beat the PS2 in Japan.

The Dreamcast was not based on Windows CE, it was just compatible with it. While it had the ability to run CE based games, almost none of them were written to use it. Instead they were written to run on the Dreamcast's native OS. The whole CE thing was pretty much a flop since it had limited capabilities and ran much slower than native Dreamcast code.

Actually, Dreamcast used GD-ROMS, right? Basically an "overburned" 99-minute CD-ROM that held up to 1 GB. If you had the burner to support it, you could even use 1 CD-ROM for the games, but the fact that it was possible made it very much exploited.

I personally do not know of any XBox games that have actually been burned by home users on their home PC, but some luckey users of Seaga Dreamcast have been able to copy the games to their computer's hard drive and burn them on Maxell 80 minute CD-Rs (only the games that would fit on one CD would work, but there were plenty of them!).

I'm not going to do extensive research just to prove you worng. As for "How many people even had CD burners back then" , I'll say I was one of them, burners were about $120-$150 and the time. As for "Piracy was an issue, but I don't think it's what killed the Dreamcast" , like I said, I'm not going to research this dead issue, but I remember going to my local swapmeet and seeing lines of kids eager to buy $15 dollar Dreamcast games.

Xbox games are easy, just use the ftp protocol to transfer the data from the xbox to the PC, then from the PC convert to iso, and voila. Homebrew Xbox games.

As for Dreamcast, i never got into that, they were always easily available on the net, if not at the swapmeet.

I never played dreamcast myself, but that sounds about right. One of my friends had nothing BUT burned CD's for his dreamcast. Saw him play them, too. Played them off of those 80 minute 16x certified Maxell data CD-R's. I remember it clearly because it honestly freaked me out at the time--he was my friend and I never figured he would be stealing games on Maxell CD-R's...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dreamcast

"Xbox games are easy, just use the ftp protocol to transfer the data from the xbox to the PC, then from the PC convert to iso, and voila. Homebrew Xbox games."

Yes but without the mod chip that allows the XBox to read "games" off of the standard DVD+/-R media, no Xbox could play them.

So poor sales had nothing to do with piracy? It's like your saying, people pirated the software, then ran to the store to buy originals.

Exactly why dreamcast failed, it was just TOO easy.

The poor sales were because of the PS2

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There are soft mods, you don't have to buy a chip. Just boot off a special disc.

You keep saying failed. Even if it was because of piracy, that would only make it extremely popular. It didn't fail, Sega stopped making them.

piracy does contribute to lower sales but that's never enough. Look at the film industry, people copy dvds like they were crack but companies still make money. Look at piracy like enropy. You cannot make a 100% efficient engine, just like you cannot make a product 100% pirateless.

Movies and video games are completely different. Your basically saying the movie industry should just pull out while they are ahead. Games on the other hand, well, I'd like to think that more people watch movies, than play video games. We can do without video games.

Hmm, what a contridiction... If it didnt fail, then why did they stop making such a 'quality' product?

As for piracy making it popular, I think not. People might rush out to get the console, but thats only good for Sega, while at the same time all game developers are losing money. Popularity here only refers to a lot of people having the system, but not that their paying for anything beyond that.

Soft mods are relatively new, besides they are crap and inconveniant. Mod chip hands down better.

They stopped making it because the company was near bankruptcy from all their idiotic blunders in the past. They couldn't afford it. Sony and Microsoft lose a fortune on their consoles, that does not mean the Playstation and Xbox are failures now does it. Sega couldn't afford to do it though, simple as that. As was mentioned before the demand for the console is so great in Japan that Sega actually had to start selling them again recently, and new games are still being made. Failure? I don't think so. Sega as a company failed.

I still dont see how a company that was near backrupcy decides, or rather, can afford to produce a new console... And I dont see where you get your information, but how do sony and xbox lose money on consoles? I know this was true when they were new, but I highly doubt thats the case anymore.

And I have yet to see someone go rush out to buy a dreamcast today.

I'm glad that financial analysts are now being trained to evaluate electronics hardware. I hope they can help AirBus get their super jumbo problems fixed next. After that, we need some financial analysts to help cure cancer.

I'm glad that financial analysts are now being trained to evaluate electronics hardware.

It doesn't take specialized training as an automobile mechanic to know when a car isn't running right, you don't need to be a software developer to know when an application is buggy and inadequate, why should you need special training to notice electronics hardware is not behaving reliably or even up to expectations?

Is Sony's new console so advanced people need to be trained to understand its greatness?

Glad I aint buying one.

There is only ONE winner in the console war hardware front. Anyone, anyone..... IBM

That's priceless. Too bad Sony was responsible for the set-up at the venue. Last I checked, trade shows didnt provide much and you were responsible for your own area. They have no one to blame but themselves.

Doesn't matter. PS3 will still smash the XBox and Wii.

SquareEnix more or less excluslivly supports the new plattform of Sony. Consoles don't sell Consolse, Games do.

Sony might do better, simply because it has such a large fanbase already and many of them are blindly loyal.

I don't see them winning on games alone - I think there will be a lot fewer exclusives this time around.

And what do you mean by "more or less". The either exclusively support Sony or not.

games may sell a console, but not if the console dosnt work ... then you just have some new drink costers

ps3 wont smash the 360 or wii... or vise versa they all will have their pros and cons

Square Enix is not exclusively supporting the PS3 and even if they were one publisher isn't going to make or break a console. The days of Playstation exclusivity is over. As for the PS3 smashing the xbox and wii that is a baseless fanboy prediciton with nothing to back it up.

More or less because less important games are still made for other systems like FF Crystal Cronicles for Game Cube.

But the flagships series like Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest will stay PS3 exclusive.

"But the flagships series like Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest will stay PS3 exclusive"

ahhh no.... final fantasy is on xbox 360

All Sony bashing aside, we haven't a real clue who will win. Most people assume that the trend in their geographical area determines it all. Yes, I think here in the states the PS3 will not be *AS* successful as the PS2 was, but in Japan? Europe? Asia? I haven't a clue, except that based on history, Japan will likely prefer the Wii and PS3 to the XBox 360...but then again I don't live there and I have no basis to say that either console will "bomb" or not.

Anyone here in Japan? What is the overall trend of people over there about the console wars? Are they becoming more skeptical of the PS3, or most have already made up their minds?

I agree, no one knows so making statements like "PS3 will still smash the XBox and Wii." is just fanboy nonsense. As for Japan from all I've read the Wii has stirred up a lot more interest there. Here is a recent poll also. No surprise for the first question due to the shortages, but I find the second one interesting.

1. Which next gen console will, in your opinion, sell better during Christmas?

88% - Wii
11% - PS3

2. With all hardware considered, which console do you expect to sell best after Christmas?

60.7% - Nintendo DS
32.8% - Wii
3.3% - PS2
1.6% - PS3
1.6% - Xbox 360

http://www.kotaku.com/ga...ii-wins-xmas-204395.php

An article on TGS: http://www.timesonline.c...,,25689-2371220,00.html

That is indeed interesting...really? The Nintendo DS will sell more? That's very interesting.

Only FF11 which is a exception to the franchise (being a MMORPG).

And you know this because...?

Aren't all of the most popular games MMORPGs now anyways? Seriously--if they put the WoW expansion first on the 360, that would cause huge digression from the PS3, or vice versa...

just like all the retards on beatnews forms always sticking to one side of the story and don't care about the other. now after getting that off my chest, make me wonder how much longer sony can stay in buisiness with all these disasters and bad press hopfully it will die down for them soon

Anti-sony here, but I'm sure they will fix a few glitches here and there. However, it seems they will have equal problems with their console at launch compared to 360. They better get more staff in their Tech Support department

I would think many units that will be on sale next month would be manufactured already, no?

And I expect more problems - between the heat (which seems worse than 360) and bluray - they are in for a lot of calls.

Think your right, and I think its too late in the game to re-manufacture faulty units. Hmm, will be interesting. Think I'll wait atleast a month before I buy a PS3. Just to see what problems they have.

Always a good idea with any new release like this. Plus - they'll be extremely hard to find at release.

Well I waited about 6 months before I bought a 360, but still I got some glitches... I got the notorious 0102 error >:[

"Hmm, will be interesting. Think I'll wait atleast a month before I buy a PS3. Just to see what problems they have."

I thought you said earlier you were anti-sony...?

Im anti propaganda, like "Sony will Smash the 360." I don't start yapping my mouth off like some fanboy. Doesn't mean I'm not interested in playing Grand Turismo HD. I wont touch blu-ray for movies though, that IMO will bomb.

the lil kiosks are about as ventilated as much as alot of home entertainment centers, 360 also had heat issues, both have alot of power in a small plastic box without enough consideration for cooling... what do they expect.

Well, it was a matter of time that Sony's devices started to fail. I've been working in a computer shop for years, and I see how the quality of Sony's devices is lowering year after year.
And if the problem of PS3 was heat problem, I wanna see what happens when a 14 year old boy plays whith his PS3 for hours and hours...

Will catch on fire?

lol

Im no fanboy, but I do work with electronics, their is some merit to sony's claim. I know they run those systems all day long, and an insulated kiosk could cause over-heating. But then you have to wonder why they were setup that way, only makes sense to test the system before they hit up a major event.

Sure, there are bound to be some heat issue, but you'd think it wouldn't be as widespread as it seemed to be.

From what I recall, most conferences like that are kept pretty cool - so unless the cases were completely sealed, they should have run better than it appears they did.

And in comparison to 360's, yes they've had heat issues, but how many store kiosks failed within the first few days? I know I've seen a number that have failed, but it was months after release.

If Sony's PS3's can't last a few days, then they are in serious trouble.

Your right. I know E3 is usualy well below 70 degree temp, almost to the point you need a sweater. And I haven't hear of any 360 kiosk having problems.

Plus, store kiosks will probably be worse.

I think the most concerning thing is that we all know 360 has had heat issues and it seems PS3 is even more susceptible. That's going to cause a lot of issues for Sony.

Would be even worst if trying to run blu-ray movies, since the disk drive is always running.

The XBox360 has heat issues, but there are no reports of PS3 having the same problems, they run cool and quiet.

The Cell TDP is much lower than the CPU used in the Xbox360.

Where do you get your "couple of days" from.

As novemeber looms, XBox360 owners seem to be getting VERY desperate...

I wonder what $ony defines as a "normal" home setting.

Only time will tell if this is going to be a bigger problem, but it doesn't sound good.

No! Listen...I dislike Sony these days myself, but geez! Don't use that retarded $ in their name. It isn't funny for Microsoft, and it isn't funny for Sony either.

Yeah, seriously. ALL companies are in business to make profits, that is the sole reason for their existance. So putting a dollar sign in their name is just stupid.

I couldn't agree more - I did it simply because so many anti-Microsoft people always do it and it can go for other companies as well. Thought they might like to see how it looks that way.

mark gilespie...... where r u??????
As much as i hate u, but to be honest this forum wouldn't be the same without you... :)

lol... its a conspericy by microsoft !!!!