So let me get this straight- They said they wont make a decision on the 80 gig model until current inventory is sold out?? LOL... good luck with that one Sony.

It's happening quicker than you might think. Have a walk by your local BestBuy, and tell the truth, they are selling like hot cakes...

Perhaps people have heard, that GTA IV won't fit onto 1 DVD for the 360. LOL!!

"Yet more rumors circling certain E3 parties suggested that Rockstar is having trouble squeezing the giant game onto one Xbox 360 disk."

http://www.gamesradar.co...eId=2006030811812750059

WHAT!?!?!? You mean I might actually have to get up of my fat a** to change DVD's some 20+ hours into a game!

I'm off to the store now to get a PS3. Screw MS and their crappy 360!

Ok, sarcasm aside.. does it really matter that GTA IV won't fit on a single disc? I hardly think it does.

In fact, I am pretty close to buying a PS3 and I'd still probably get GTA on the 360 as I will all the other games that are made for both consoles.

EDIT - And for the record, the comment hardly indicates that there will definetely be 2 discs for 360 version. Plus I'd hardly say the PS3 is selling like hotcakes - improved maybe, but that's probably it and only because people think the $100 drop is not here to stay. That's namely the reason I am going to get one.

Oh my God you're on the pathetic kick my disk holds more than yours again. Give it up already. Maybe all the pad files on the PS3 version that are needed to stream the data fast enough won't fit on a DVD who cares. Multi disks are no big deal. Your point is stupid at most. Are you running out of original nonesense pig-pen, opps linus.

Lets hope you don't drive beween islands too often in the game, as this is where the disk swapping is likely to be..

You know the 2xBD drive is faster than the 360's 12x drive right? The 360 is CAV, the BD is CLV, the 360 is only 8x on DVD9.

If you did, you wouldn't be making yourself look an idiot by claiming it's slower.

Multi disks suck. Imgine driving a large open map like GTA, going onto a bridge, and having to get up and swap the disc.. That sucks.

Yeah ok what ever you say. That's why there is data multiple times on Blo-ray since its so fast. Your stats mean nothing since you prove to full of BS

Now here is an awesome deal.

http://www.dvdtown.com/n...s-99-hd-dvd-player/4597

You know that $99 deal is only open to people at the show, and it's $200 a ticket!!!

Bargain, NOT.

How about this for data duplication on the 360 too...

http://videogames.yahoo....oblivion/preview-503978

"Bethesda's Pete Hines also commented that recent reports of data duplication on the PS3 Oblivion disc have been exaggerated, and this technique isn't different from the similar strategy that was employed in the creation of the Xbox 360 game last year. "

Your Microsoft funded FUD is starting to fall apart badly, last week you claimed that MetalGearSolid4 was coming to the 360 (false), and that there were no reliability issues with the 360.

"You know that $99 deal is only open to people at the show, and it's $200 a ticket!!!"

That still makes it cheaper than a Blo-job, oops, I mean blu-ray.

"Lets hope you don't drive beween islands too often in the game, as this is where the disk swapping is likely to be.."

You just got it all figured out don't you. It is very unlikely it will be on 2 disc. If it does they will integrate it in a very seamless way where you wont haft to be swapping out disc constantly.

It has not been completely ruled out that mgs4 is not coming to xbox360.

If sales don't pick up for the ps3 you really think konami will stay loyal to Sony, keep dreaming.

You lie again I said that it may come to the 360. I said that Unreal is coming after you said it was an exclusive one the blo-ray equiped POS

You like to put words in peoples mouths

"You like to put words in peoples mouths"

Ofcourse he does. If he doesn't then he looks like the idiot. Oh wait...

"Multi disks suck. Imgine driving a large open map like GTA, going onto a bridge, and having to get up and swap the disc.. That sucks."

Nice try there, Sherlock, because we know they would split the game RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE of the action. Each time I read your posts, they get more and more pathetic and transparent.

MGS4 is a confirmed PS3 exclusive regardless. Any 360 owner that thinks otherwise is dreaming.

Unreal Tournement is not coming to 360 until mid 2008, and then without mods (no user content on XBL), the PS3 version can share mods between the PC version.

Haze is not coming to 360, not Killzone, nor Warhawk, nor Drakes Fortune, Not R&C TOD, no Crysis, No LittleBigPlanet, No FF XIII

Many of these are not coming to 360 for technical reasons, lack of drive DVD space, no Cell BBE. MGS is already on a 50GB Blu-Ray disk. Do you really think it come to 360 on 5x DVD's?

I notice with interest, you skip over his point about the data duplication on the 360 version also.

At this time I do not have the time to find the links to prove him wrong. I actually have a job and a family. He has been proven so many times it is actually pointless. I already proved him wrong with my Unreal point so why make him look like a total fool!

That is about the gayest statement that you have made. Every system has its share of excellent exclusive titles. I bet the POS3 won't get Mario anytime soon or Halo3. You say that Halo is avergae at best fine I think that metal gear is stupid. If you don't like the exclusives does it really matter. I would rather have a system that has games that I enjoy. So far I find the POS3 to be a major disappointment.

Aer you getting Bioshock, Mass Effect and others? The reviews have said Warhawk was less then exciting, not to mention it is online only. At least that is what I've been seen so far. I'll pass on the titles you mentioned.

You think you have it all figured out. Like I have said before game code is not the space waster it is motion video that frankly I could care less about. Plus I do not plan on buying the game on either system since the violence is excessive and unneeded.

Yet more lies from the Sony fanatics...
The PS3 version cannot share mods with the PC version, it will require special mods tailored for the PS3.

Couldn't agree more. The majority of PS3 games is made for the home crowd, which is why there are so many RPG games and a lacking of FPS games. The simple fact is if you want to play FPS the 360 is the obvious way to go.

I love BetaNews cause 98 percent of comments turn into flame wars. So let me add my bit.

While I am not Microsoft or sony fanboi (Have a ps1 ps2, xbox, and 360) Sony got it all wrong with this console.

While it packs all this cutting edge technology into one unit the price isnt right. While Microsoft has production issues, or quality issues, the newer models should resolve what seems to be their huge crux, what MS got right was the price. Its cheap (relative) and may not have all in one, but you can get the addons and while in the end you may pay more i believe more users rather peice mail a system then pay upwards of 600.

Im not knocking the tech although removal of the hardware chipped ps2 engine was a mistake, the system is just to much for the average consumer. Thats why the WII is doing so well, its cheap, fun, and while it might not be the cow + milk you can buy either later on if you so choose.

While Id love to respect what you say Steve your Handle is the name of a wrestler that beat his wife while taking roids. I dont usually listen to people like that for my info ;)

Flame on

It's also a very common name! (and the name of the six million dollar man)..

Anyway, yes, the 360 is total junk. What will all of them potentially failing prematurely due to overheating, it now seems there is a mass recall due to faulty hard drives.. Oh Dear...

http://kotaku.com/gaming...l-360-recall-278562.php

http://www.efluxmedia.co...re_Defective_07002.html

http://www.crn.com.au/st...85600&src=site-marq

http://kotaku.com/gaming...failure-rate-241794.php

http://gamepolitics.com/...ailure-rate-do-the-math/

Steve called something junk, LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

You are far from the six million dollar man.

It's true. A very large amount of the high-end consoles that get sold are to younger people who can't afford it themselves.

Its much easier to talk parents into spending $300 and then $400 and then $200 then it is to get them to spend $600 all at once.

You keep posting the same crap and fail to mention that MS is doing the right thing by fixing the problem. What part of that are you missing. I am tired of you missing the most important part of the equation. But then again you are to in love with $ony to understand the real world. At least their console is selling and has actual games to play. That is more than can be said about your beloved POS3.

Steve posted a lot of links, not one of which actually proves a f*cking thing.

LMAO.

Last time I heard, they weren't fixing them, they were patching them up, and sending them back. Most people know people that are on at least their 2nd console.

You only have to look at the modifications Microsoft have do, it's easy to see they are not fixing them properly, add-on heatsink, glueing the CPU in place, and turning the fan speeds up? All sound like hacks to me.

"...MS is doing the right thing by fixing the problem."

With all due respect, they're only fixing part of the problem.

The 3 ROD is only an indicator of an issue in one area of the console's hardware, and isn't neccesarily specific.

There are many other problems with the 360, that MS refuses to acknowledge (publicly at least): Dvd drives that quit reading 360 discs reliable, Dvd drives that are scratching the discs, overheating indicated by 2 rod, etc. Hell, even Bethesda is being quoted as saying at E3 "I do have a backup should one Xbox 360 fail ... evidently they do that sometimes."

The MS fans (of which I used to count myself) are right about one thing: they do have the best games ATM, on the best online service. Too bad that doesn't mean anything if the hardware isn't reliable enough to take advantage.

Yeah they are going to temp fix the system so they can fix it again at their expense you are fool if you think that is the plan. But then again we already know the answer to that.

My PS2 won't read disks Sony hasn't done anything but say they'd fix for it over $100. Hum I can by a new one for a little more than that and Sony can add an other sale to the count. Sony drives suck by the way. Can't wait till the Sony fanboys start getting read errors again or the little blue light dies.

"Anyway, yes, the 360 is total junk."

Sure it is. That's why it's out selling the PS3 and has more games and exclusives.

Don't forget the fact that you would probably haft to pay shipping. With MS they pay it for you.

i didn't even bother reading them, i figured why waste time

Pretty much. I mean why waste your time when he didn't bother to read them himself most likely.

And Steve runs away again. He can't spin those facts.

Steve Austin

If what you say is true about the Nintendo Wii, why wouldn't Sony do something similar?

This just goes to show your making a statement based on nothing but your view of the Nintendo Wii.

The fact is the Nintendo Wii is selling more units each month then any other console system. Till this changes lets not make up stuff about the lack of supply.

"The fact is the Nintendo Wii is selling more units each month then any other console system."

You should say the Wii is selling more than all other consoles COMBINED. Last month the Wii sold 5 times more than the PS3, yet the Sony zealots around here are convinced the PS3 is doing great and catching up. My favorite is when the try to say that the PS3 has sold more units than the 360 did last year, this far into its life cycle. Now if we use that same logic and look at the Wii, since it's well out-pacing the PS3, then it must be selling at incredible rates! I mean, in the last 3 months alone, the Wii went from selling 3 times, to 4 times, to 5 times more units than the PS3. Burn Sony, burn.

The reason they look at last years sales is because the 360 is winning in the present. Which if sales are better now than they were a year ago that tells you something.

I suppose it's a "Get it while it's hot" situation.

It's pretty s***ty that they aren't (at least as yet) announcing a $100 cut on the whole range.

The facts from the top management at Sony themselves -

"global head of Sony Computer Entertainment settled the matter once and for all.

Speaking to Norwegian game-news outlet VGTV, SCEI president and group CEO Kaz Hirai said in no uncertain terms that the 60GB PS3's days are numbered.

"From a hardware perspective, the $499 price adjustment we did for the 60GB version for the American market, we're no longer in production for that product," he said in an unedited on-camera interview.
"Once that product is gone from the retailer shelves, then we're back to a $599 SKU only, so it's not like we have a two-price strategy in the US market.
We found out very early on how consumers react to having just one SKU as opposed to two."

SCEA has subsequently confirmed the phase out, but emphasized that it would be gradual.

"The 60GB PS3 will be available in North America for $499 until supplies of that unit are depleted," Karraker told GameSpot in a follow-up interview.
"We have ample inventory to meet the immediate needs of consumers in this territory for several months to come."

http://uk.gamespot.com/n...amp;tag=newstop;title;1

Sony says the 60gb really is dead -

On the same day the price cut was announced, Sony announced a new 80GB PS3, a console that will be bundled with Motorstorm and will retail for $599, the same as the first.
The price cut for the 60GB PS3 was never intended to be a permanent cut for the product; it was only intended to clear out stock for the new version to be sold at the old price.
GameSpot has reported that Kaz Hirai, Sony Computer Entertainment's CEO and President, has confirmed in a video interview that the 60GB PS3s are no longer in production, and that all new PS3s will be 80GB models to be sold at $599.

http://news.com.com/8301...ws&tag=2547-1_3-0-5

- Of course your Sony heros might be lying to you again?

It's not false, stop lying (again) Steve.

Wake up, stop shilling & try reality for a change, huh?

I don't see anyone lying, all I see is a genuine price drop. Last week the PS3 was $599, the same item today is $499. OK, so it may not be around forever, but who wants to bet, as soon as the 60GB units are all sold, the 80GB ones will drop to $499 (without Motorstorm).

Sony have been honest, the XBots have been out and twisted everyones statements.

I can understand why they are annoyed however, as there is no MGS4, no Unreal Tounrments until next year, no UT mods, no Killzone, no Haze, no Warhawk, all they get is failed units and scratched discs, a new green Xbox (20GB/noHDMI) and a underwhelming Halo 3..

Your desperate shilling (& lying) is hilarious Ray.

Do please keep it up as if gives me a great big laugh every day I see your, er, 'thoughts'.

ROFL! You forgot to mention Mass Effect, Bioshock, COD 4(with an exclusive beta coming to 360), Medal Of Honor, Fracture, Ace Combat 6.

MGS did not look that great. Unreal Tournament is coming out EARLY next year, no biggie there. Haze is a timed exclusive as well. Warhawk doesn't look like anything earth shattering. The only game that really impressed me from $ony was Killzone.

"Sony have been honest"

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA hold on, let me catch my breath.. and here we go.. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Hilarious.

Anyway, a few days ago you Sony cheerleaders were all over this article, saying it was rubbish and that the 60GB model's price drop was a permanent thing. Now that you turned out to be WRONG, you're whistling a whole different tune. It's amazing how much alike Sony and their fanboys are.

Anyone know why BetaRumours are still show this as their featured article, as it's been know to be false for 3 days now...

Funny the 360 30% failure rate story was never featured, and disappeared of the front page very quickly. Hmm.

Stev Austin.

Instead of being an idiot and making comments you do not have the right info on you should take your fanboy hat off and to some reading.
The 60 gig is being discontinued and the 80 gig will be 599.
This is official straight from Sony.

PS3 is crap anyways. So who cares.

Says you.. Some people think it's expensive, but few actually think it's crap.

I think crap, is a system where 1/3rd of produced units have already failed, with numbers rising all the time...

If you want to see crap, look no further: http://www.theinquirer.n...ault.aspx?article=40933

"crap, is a system where 1/3rd of produced units have already failed, with numbers rising all the time..."

- Naaaa; "crap" is what you call the kind of transparent lying shills who pretend things like a 30% failure rate is a solid known fact and who leap to repeat it at any & every opportunity.

'Deluded tragic idiot' would be another apt term for the kind of ludicrous cretin who posts here as if they are waging their own little PR 'campaign'.

'Sad dreary little f*ckwits' would be an appropriate term for the kind of risible imagination-free marketing fools who 'think' their little 'viral marketing' efforts are doing anything but making them and their product and brand a laughing-stock and little more than a target of derision for perfectly 'regular people' offended by their obvious, condescending, lying and manipulative BS.

.....and the PS3?
Pppppppfffffhhhhh.
Bag-o-Sh*te (or 'sack of cack' if you prefer).

Sounds like I hit a raw nerve...

30% failure rate is widely accepted...

"30% failure rate is widely accepted..."

By who? The Sony Cheerleaders? I know this may come as a shock...But the Sony Cheerleading Squad does not represent "widely accepted."

Your right...That is a pretty crappy source.

oh, i don't know, look around at all the tech news sites, and you will see it on every one.

"Sounds like I hit a raw nerve..."

- You (so obviously) wish.

But it only happened that way in your own sad, pathetic & laughably deluded day-dreams.

Wake up & try reality for a change.

"Sounds like I hit a raw nerve..."

Sounds like something Mark would say. Hello Mark.

Which they "created" based on 2 stores

well, i guess it is impossible for a xbot fanboi to ever belive anything could be wrong with their beloved system, now isn't it.

Even if it was true MS is doing something that $Ony never would and that is called fixing the problem. I know you and all the other $Ony shills know all about engineering and how the fix won't work and all so before you start, shut that hole below your nose. Move along.

Looking at slow sales many have the same feeling about the PS3. I don't see Nintendo or MS dropping the price to stimulate sales.

They have enough units in stock for a couple of months proves crap sales as they have been sitting in warehouses collecting dust. Time for a fire sale.

True.

To their credit they (Microsoft) have openly & publicly admitted the problem.
They then set aside as stack of cash to sort out anyone with those problems.
They then created a new 3 year guarantee for all customers (going back to day 1 of the 360's release).

Now there are those who'll bend over backwards try to find any comment favourable to these events as 'fanboy-ish' and who will only bash these welcome developments......

..... but that just tells you everything you need to know about their real 'agenda' - no matter how much they might pretend & try to make out they're objective about all of this.

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=8056

Wow, stop the presses; a retailer somewhere in the world is reported as dropping a product.

Wow, what concrete & conclusive 'proof' of everything, Mr Neutral, eh?

No I just don't take numbers from 2 out of millions of stores and try to pass them as fact. I have seen stores say they had the majority of their PS3s fail. Does that mean that the PS3 has a large failure rate too?

"Says you.. Some people think it's expensive, but few actually think it's crap."

Apparently he's not the only one. It is the worst selling next gen system out now.

So with no Emotion Engine does that mean that ps3's aren't backwards compatible with the previous playstations? That blows.

No, it does not mean this at all.

With the Emotion Engine, PS3 backwards compatability has been tested to be 97% of PS2/PS1 titles

With no Emotion Engine, the Euro PS3 compatability has been tested to be 92% of PS2/PS1 titles. That's over 2,700 titles supported.

Why do you keep posting these made up numbers over and over again? I must've seen you post them at least a dozen times thus far. Where do you get 97% for the Emotion Engine? I think it's closer to 99% or above, considering it's the actual chip found in the PS2. Also, where do you get the 92% for the emulator? That is total and utter BS and you know it. Emulation will never EVER be anywhere close to the real thing, which is the Emotion Engine. Next you're going to post some links to Sony's site or some fan site to prove it's true, right? Because Sony and their fans would NEVER lie about this sort of thing.

It's from testing

http://www.betanews.com/...ility_Issues/1163518067

3% of titles have problems.. Last time I was at school, 100 - 3 = 97.

The same process was used to calculate the PAL unit's software compatbility, from the results on the EU compatability site. When it launched, it's was 87%, newer firmwares bring this up to 92%

http://faq.eu.playstation.com/bc/bcGames.htm

Ah and yet nowhere on that article does it say anything about the compatible through emulation.

I also found one of Marks comments a quite interesting read. Mark Gillespie the original Sony fanboy of Betanews himself stated "Sony has problems with the slim PS2 not playing early PS2 games..."

That shut him up.

He uses the hit an run technique. He slings his crap and runs like hell.

Edit: Nvm it is more of a poke and run. Can't really call his comments a hit lol.

Well, the $100 drop swayed me. Went down to BestBuy, and picked up a PS3, sent off for my 5 free Blu-Ray movies, and picked up a copy of The Departed instore. I also picked up Motorstorm, ans rented a couple of other games.

So far, I am really impressed, the unit is quiet, and looks really nice under my TV (42in Plasma). The Blu-Ray movie I tried looked fantastic, and ALOT better than DVD. I also noticed how much better the upscaled DVDs looked compared to my old Denon DVD player.

I have only played Motorstorm so far, but it rocks, is really good fun. I also downloaded SuperStardustHD on a friends recommendation for $8, and that is awesome also.

I am totally converted. I am seriously considering putting my 360 on ebay!

I am thinking the same thing. I just wonder how big of a hit we will take on the 360 since they are all defective.

"We have ample inventory to meet the immediate needs of consumers in this territory for several months to come."

No way! Really?! But I thought the Sony fanboys around here were convinced the PS3 was selling like hot cakes? Apparently they have an enormous pile of PS3s collecting dust. How can this be?? It's unimaginable!

Indeed, there we have it right out of the mouth of the horse that the PS3 is just catching dust on retailer's shelves, otherwise they wouldn't have "ample inventory".
This reeks of desperation - they know they have to get rid of the dustcatchers first just so they can push their new crippled version without Emotion Engine. Offering them side-by-side, the 80GB one is an even bigger lead weight, as only complete and utter retards pay $100 more for a console which is crippled compared to the cheaper one and only has tiny 20GB more.

Well production is in full swing, not restrained like Wii (to create a sense of fake desirability).

Of course there is spare inventory. However, it seems many stores are selling out of PS3s at $499, so if you want one, better get in there quick...

"However, it seems many stores are selling out of PS3s at $499, so if you want one, better get in there quick..."

Yes, better get in there quick before they're all gone! Sony said there's ample supply that will last SEVERAL MONTHS, but hey, this random guy named Steve Austin knows better than Sony themselves. So you better hurry, hurry, hurry!

Steve, please. The Wii is outselling everyone by wide margins. It's not faked.. its ACTUAL DATA, and REAL DEMAND. Come on, now you're just being ridiculous.

Nintendo is restricting sales to keep shelves empty. and keep up that desirability.

"Hey the shelves are empty, the Wii must be REALLY god"...

Consumers are stupid, and can be fooled easily by things like this.

ROFL! Wow you guys really at least need to try and keep your BS where it is not so obvious.

Sony couldn't give a false sense of desirability if they tried. They can't ever get the shelves empty!

lol. right. The Wii is selling around 800,000+ a month worldwide. You really think Nintendo, Sony or Micro$oft for that matter, would artifically limit the number of consoles in the marketplace?

In this industry, you sell as many as you can as fast as you can. The more hardware you sell, the more software you will sell. And the software is where you make the most money.

Your logic makes zero business sense.

Wow you must also work for Nintendo to know this. Idiot!

Worked for me. Went to Target picked up a 60GB for $499. Bought a pile of BR movies and a couple games. :)

I was waiting for ANY kind of price break on the PS3. I wanted it for a BR player (already have a Tosh HDDVD player), HTPC and game box. All that for $499 is a frickin STEAL.

Kudos to Sony.

Actually, what I love the most about the forums at BetaNews is that people take personal offense if someone doesn't like the PS3, and likes the 360 instead. Does it really matter if some guy who lives in another state, in another country, or on a different continent,doesn't like the gaming system you prefer? For gods sakes, grow up.

If you like the 360, buy it and the games and enjoy Xbox Live. If you like Sony PS3, buy it and the games and enjoy yourself. This isn't a battle of good versus evil, rebels vs. imperial forces, competition is a good thing, so we probably don't want one company to win and dominate the market. Variety is the spice of life people!

Well Said! I agree with your statement %100. If one gaming franchise were to have a monopoly over the business, then they would be able to charge what ever price they wanted. And we would either buy it or not. We would have no other choice.

People, this is a forum. Everyone in entitled to their opinion! You’re NOT going to change another’s mind about the “best” consol. There is really no point in trying. This is a forum where you can say what you feel. And other’s opinions should not be detested because you do not agree with them.

July 14, 2007 - 3:09 PM PST

Well, after seeing the E3 footage, the game line up looked best for the PS3 in my opinion. WiiFit? Hmm ok. I can see doing something with the balance board, but wiifit isn't going to exemplify that peice of equipment. Killzone 2 actually got my adrenaline pumping a bit. Then I noticed that the sounds didn't seem to go with the environment? Maybe the avi I watched had some audio skew? Anyone else notice that? Anyways, I think Sony is looking better this year. I don't own a PS3 but might get one towards mid next year if things look good.

if you want awesome graphic, use a PC. Stop trolling

To those calling us biased:

I have yet to see a cogent argument from any of you yet on our supposed vendetta against Sony. All of you seem to echo the same line, "You guys love MS and hate Sony."

If you are going to throw around the b-word, back up your arguments with more than just insults, folks.

Thank you.

Lol your not biased. They think any negative Sony post is "biased."

I still like my Atari 2600! ok back to the fighting...

I just watched the Gran Turismo trailer...wow that is sick. The power of the PS3 is starting to show.

"The power of the PS3 is starting to show."

- Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. You tragic shills.

Too funny.

Only 'starting' to?

Well you just run along now and be sure to let us know when it's genuinely and actually doing something spectacular and well worth the premium, huh?

(.....and that would be 'in game' footage taken from a regular punter's machine & game btw - you know you can't trust those liars lying to you.)

It is a new system that has been out for less than a year. The hardware is complex; it is more advanced than any video game system ever. So yes, it is going to take a few generations of games to show its power, just as any system does.

Another xbot bites the dust...

"Another xbot bites the dust"

- LMAO.

I don't have an XBox 360 (or even a mk1 XBox) you moron.

I do like shooting down the Sony drones & fanboys and their ridiculous lies & propaganda tho.

......another Sony shill ends up looking about as stupid as s/he is.

Seeing as how the Sony drones love their links here's a couple of interesting ones.

This goes out especially for those shills and fanboys who have gone out of their way to come here to flat out just lie about how BetaNews isn't reporting real news or the facts of the matter......

"global head of Sony Computer Entertainment settled the matter once and for all.

Speaking to Norwegian game-news outlet VGTV, SCEI president and group CEO Kaz Hirai said in no uncertain terms that the 60GB PS3's days are numbered.

"From a hardware perspective, the $499 price adjustment we did for the 60GB version for the American market, we're no longer in production for that product," he said in an unedited on-camera interview.
"Once that product is gone from the retailer shelves, then we're back to a $599 SKU only, so it's not like we have a two-price strategy in the US market.
We found out very early on how consumers react to having just one SKU as opposed to two."

SCEA has subsequently confirmed the phase out, but emphasized that it would be gradual.

"The 60GB PS3 will be available in North America for $499 until supplies of that unit are depleted," Karraker told GameSpot in a follow-up interview.
"We have ample inventory to meet the immediate needs of consumers in this territory for several months to come."

http://uk.gamespot.com/n...amp;tag=newstop;title;1

Sony says the 60gb really is dead.

On the same day the price cut was announced, Sony announced a new 80GB PS3, a console that will be bundled with Motorstorm and will retail for $599, the same as the first.
The price cut for the 60GB PS3 was never intended to be a permanent cut for the product; it was only intended to clear out stock for the new version to be sold at the old price.
GameSpot has reported that Kaz Hirai, Sony Computer Entertainment's CEO and President, has confirmed in a video interview that the 60GB PS3s are no longer in production, and that all new PS3s will be 80GB models to be sold at $599.

http://news.com.com/8301...ws&tag=2547-1_3-0-5

So go ahead and buy a dead version or pay the same money for 20gbs extra HDD.

Hmmmm, $100 for 20gb HDD......we won't be hearing anymore bashing about the XBox 360 HDD price now will we, hmmmmmm?

I guess it's waaaaaay too much to expect some integrity and look for some criticism of Sony for their pricing now, huh?
(what am I saying, of course not)

"Hmmmm, $100 for 20gb HDD......we won't be hearing anymore bashing about the XBox 360 HDD price now will we, hmmmmmm?"

Actually...it's $100 more for 20GB AND one less emotion chip...so actually, you're paying 100$ more for a lesser console, and slightly more HD space. Isn't sony great?:)

Hmm, http://www.n4g.com/News-51800.aspx

360 is hurting real bad right now..

Wow, a new low.

4 days is the measurement of success now apparantly.

I'm going to have a great big laugh when the PS3 sales numbers have fallen all the way back down the cliff in a month or two.

I dont know if you are stupid or ignorant but that article states that ut3 runs better then gears did BECAUSE the engine was designed for gears.

Therefore, it was uncharted territory so of course any game thereafter is going to be better.

Its also been stated that ut3 on 360 is better then gears, talk about a non issue.

Gears of War is better than Unreal Tournament.

Up against all the other games that are out there UT doesn't look all that impressive. It was hardly mentioned whenever they were doing the game show part of E3 other than its' short amount of time to show their trailer.

Sony's last attempt at a videogame console has failed. There will be no PS4

I think that' the sound of you alarm clock going off...

Are you mad? The PS3 is selling very well. It's done 4.5 million units since Nov in NTSC regions and March in PAL regions.

That's faster selling that than the 360...

They also don't have any reliabilty issues to deal with. The Playstation fanchise has always been VERY profitable for Sony (it's never been profitable initally, but always ended up making considerable money), this time around it's no different.

Microsoft are the ones likely to throw the towel in, the Xbox division has never made any money, losses are in excess of 7 Billion US$, and with no end to the losses or unreliabiltiy isssues insight..

Here is the bottom Line

If you want a PS3 for $100 off ($499), you can walk down your BestBuy this weekend and buy one (as if the Xboxs are to be believed, there are loads of them gathering dust on the shelves). If you don't want one, STFU.

Doubtful. I would say if PS4 fails too, then there will not be a PS5. Just like if the 360 fails, which it is on target to do, there most likely will not be a 720.

The Wii owns this generation. There will be a Wii 2.

If you don't want one, STFU.

You STFU, this is a free board. He can post his opinion just like everyone else here.

Anyone could pull figures out their asses, last time I was at my local BestBuy there were no 360s available along with Wiis. But guess what WAS there? Two PS3s which one of the game reps quoted "No one wants to pay that price for an unproven console."

While the Playstation line is definitely proven, this console is not. Forcing Blu-Ray was a classic Sony move, and for that I'm not purchasing a PS3. I won't support them with a penny of my money even if that fancy new blackbox has pretty graphics or not.

Please cite your sources if you're going to quote them. Otherwise it's all hearsay.

I don't want or need one so you "STFU" with your shrill parading for Sony.

I really wish you could stop being biased and try looking at facts, but alas you cannot.

The issues have been resolved on the 360 a new revision will be out in the fall with the 65nm.

It is not 7 billion you add a little more everytime same with ps3 sales a month ago it was 3.5 now its a million in a month?

Look he's a magician pulling numbers out of his hat.

"It's done 4.5 million units since Nov in NTSC regions and March in PAL regions."

Sorry, try agian, its 3.6 million :'(

"Just like if the 360 fails, which it is on target to do"

Yeah... right. The worst selling console may make a PS4 but not the better selling 360. That's great logic.

"Are you mad? The PS3 is selling very well."

But in the real world it's the worst selling next gen system out now.

This is, to put it bluntly, stupid. The base for any business is "Can they sell their product?" For Sony, the answer is no. Of course some people will buy it, however a majority of the population believes Sony’s tactics to be ridiculous. The people who were major fans of Sony’s work already bought the 60 GB version at the high price $599. By making a newer, more improved model, they are targeting those who did not make the Sony PS3 their top choice. If the consumer did not purchase the PS3 after all that hype it was granted, then why would they buy it now? 20 GB is good, but it is not so much in that it will convince people to spend $599 that they have earned. Further still, consumers who did not want to spend $599 in the first place are going to buy the 60 GB version that has the temporary $100 price cut. Needless to say, Sony is relying on the success of the PS3.

The Plan I would have “expected” Sony to have prepared is the following:

1. Permanently lower the price on the 60 GB model.

2. Continue making the 60 GB model for it has features that some people would like to have. (A $599 video game, no matter how many features, it is still a video game. It *main* function is to allow the consumer to play games. It should cost less and competitors know this.)

3. Follow arrangement to make 80 GB model of the PS3. (Don’t make quite as many of these as the 60 GB models until the sales have been documented and calculated.)

4. Put both the 60 GB and 80 GB models up for sale in US, as well as other countries.

5. Then make necessary adjustment to fit the sales.

This is a plan that I feel may work towards the Sony Cooperation’s advantage. Something that would have been more benificial to the general public.

~S G

July 14, 2007 - 1:49 AM PST

Sony should have done the following:
1) Reduce the price on the 60GB PS3
2) Sell the 80GB PS3 at $499

If they did this most likely people would have continue to purchase the consoles. Instead they will sell the last of the 60GB stock and perhaps some of the 80GB and it will remain in the stores.

$100 for 20GB more space, doesn't sound like a good marketing plan.

Don't forget the removed Emotion Engine chip. You get 20GB for the $100, plus the removal of full backward compatibility. Considering that it probably costs the same (or less) for Sony to use these slightly larger hard drives, they're actually saving money by remove the EE from the new model. Just another desperate move by Sony to try and save a few bucks by screwing their customers.

"It's not just a games machine as you know - you can play Blu-ray movies, you can download games from the network, you can browse the Internet and you can play music on it." No Mr. Reeves, it's called a PC not a PS3.

Sony marketing department:
"We are giving away free PS3's for everyone!"

...

"NOT!"

would expect nothing better from BetaNews than misinformation about Sony....

where are the articles from all the gaming sites praising Killzone 2??...

where are the articles about Sony's clear domination of the E3 conference?...

where are the articles bashing MS's lackluster showing at E3?...

come on BetaNews...

"where are the articles bashing MS's lackluster showing at E3?..."

Anything bad about Sony and you "would expect nothing better from BetaNews", but bashing Microsoft would be fine, in fact, you demand it? Typical idiotic Sony fanboy attitude right there.

Clear domination, where?

Sony has basically nothing until next year. There is still nothing great coming out this year to push someone into buying a ps3 yet.

It shouldnt be a ANTI-SONY, or ANTI-MS anything.

It should be NEWS. Nobody expects this site to bash MS, but how about not spinning articles in MS's favor, and reporting positive sony news, which this site does not do. That's all Metfanant is trying to say. And I think he makes a valid point.

"where are the articles about Sony's clear domination of the E3 conference?..."

it's funny how one laughable point will make the other points seem laughable as well.

anyhow to answer your other crap:

how is citing other sources misinformation? how about you cite some sources to the contrary?

betanews does not usually cover games.

this article isn't bashing sony. people are interpreting sony's strategy as bad in the comment section. there's a difference.

Sorry to break your bubble but dominating E3 means nothing, did I say that loud enough, NOTHING.

"...this article isn't bashing Sony. People are interpreting sony's strategy as bad in the comment section. there's a difference."

Oh but it is. At least it's spinning this story negatively. Let's look at the title for instance.

"PS3 Price Cut in US Only Temporary"
Then it says...
"Sony Computer Entertainment Europe president David Reeves may have let something slip that American consumers weren't supposed to know: there really is no "price cut" for the PS3."

"No price cut for the PS3"... "Let it slip"... Makes it sound like they are lying and they let it slip. How is this not misinforming people? The price was 599, now its 499. Sounds like a price cut. AND, the question was asked and he responded. Wasn’t a slip.

Escept of course, when Microsoft do it, then it's the biggest news on the planet, even BetaRumours reports it..

"where are the articles about Sony's clear domination of the E3 conference?"

There are none, beacuse Sony did not dominate E3. From what i have read, Nintendo laid out the future of this console generation. They have the plan for domination. They were #1 at E3.

I admit--"let it slip" is quite a line. However, the title is almost the same on most other news sites, and it doesn't bother me that much.

I have noticed they seem to be catering to the user comments sections in here--or at least to the comments they generally agree with. Like every news organisation, the more controversy, the more interest. I do wish they'd at least 'appear' to be somewhat neutral, but hey, it's their frikin site, they can do what they want as long as it's not illegal--but then they could lose viewers for doing so.

Will you stop reading betanews now that they've been doing this? If not, then perhaps the bias draws more viewers in than it does scare people out. I'm not tryin to be rude or say you need to stop reading (heh, if I did that I'd get a -1 score for sure), but ultimately betanews is a business just like any other business--if they make more money by doing x than if they do y, they'll start doing more of x. On that note, I do think it is beginning to cross that line or at least approaching it...

Lol...A new Sony fanboy low. Now you expect BetaNews to do your cheerleading for you?

im not demanding bashing of MS...but if BetaNews is going to take every chance to take a swing at Sony when they do something wrong then why not Microsoft??...

What misinformation has Betanews posted? The link to the interview is right there in the article. Second this is not a gaming site, if you want to read about Killzone 2 go to a gaming site and enjoy.

When have they ever skipped a chance to take a poke at MS? If you don't like their articles you don't haft to read them.

yep, i remember last year

Funny how if an article is attacking MS its gospel but if it attacks Sony it's a lie. Interesting.

Betarumors, if you don't like the site then by all means pack you bags and get the hel* out of here, I assure you, you will not be missed.

"Betarumors, if you don't like the site then by all means pack you bags and get the hel* out of here, I assure you, you will not be missed."

I second that.

Not to mention the fact that E3 was small and private this year. Did you see a special section on BetaNews covering E3 this time around? E3 isn't what it used to be where everyone and their mother would go.

What is some positive Sony news that hasn't been covered here? I believe there were articles about the launching of the PS3 and about the price cut. This article simply clarifies that the price cut is not permanent because they are not going to continue to produce the 60GB model that received the price cut. I think people have the right to know.

Hell, that probably helps Sony if anything because now people will know they can't get a $499 PS3 forever, and will go out and get it now while they are still around.

Its called a misquote Jesus if anyone else makes a mistake no big deal but GOD FORBID the ultimate , eco-friendly, everybody loves, would never cause any problems for its users, Sony is misquoted you guys snap.

I still fail to see the big deal here. They already had a $499/$599 model, but chose to phase out the cheaper one. Now they realized that forcing EVERYONE to by the more expensive model wasn't working, so they're bringing back the "low" end model too. I would hardly call this a price cut. Sony tried a trick and it didn't work. I mean, didn't they say most people were buying the "high" end model anyway and that's why they phased out the cheaper version? So why bring it back now and pretend it's a price cut? I guess they still haven't learned their lesson and they probably never will. Consumers aren't as stupid as Sony thinks. Surprise surprise, it turns out consumers are still dictating the market with their wallets, not Sony.

@KASHIN,
It's not that cut and dry. The first 499/599 duo was not the same as this one. Back then there was no advantage to getting the 20gb version for 100 less. Smaller HDD, no wifi, bluetooth, or media card reader (something tells me there was something else but i can't remember).

Now the only difference between these 2 is the HDD size. This one will sell out at this price. So even though there was already a 499 machine, it's still a price cut. It's like cuting the price of a premium by 100 even though elite & core are out there. Still a price cut.

They are not bringing back the low end model. Read the article again. They are cutting the price on the 60GB model until they are completely sold out. There will be no more 60GB models after the stock they have today are sold.

What a total bunch of ass-holes the writers here are.

1/ They did not report the initial price cut, but jumped on this within hours.

2/ It's BS anyway, as the original SCEE quote is a media misquote.

If people can't see that they are being manipulated by sites like this, then are are REALLY thick..

http://blog.us.playstation.com/

"One quick thing before I head to the show for the last day. I just wanted to clarify something. I’ve seen a lot of posts this morning related to the 60GB SKU and the comments by SCEE President David Reeves. As we announced this week, SCEA’s product offering in North America consists of a 80GB PS3 available in August and a 60GB PS3 available now for $499. We will have ample supplies of both models to meet the needs of consumers for the foreseeable future."

"What a total bunch of ass-holes the writers here are."

Well, only if your a Sony fangirl. I don't think reporting news makes you an ass-hole.

AND if you look at the bottom of the comments they stated they made a mistake, good god man not everyone is after sony.

Sorry to shatter your illusions, but NEWS is not the same as RUMOURS....

Here is how to tell the difference.

Microsoft, forums, BetaRumours, bloggers, they post RUMOURS.
Reuters, BBC, CNN, they post NEWS.

apparently there was another update, its all so very confusing

We got this clarified statement from Karraker, who said "The 60GB PS3 will be available in North America for $499 until supplies of that unit are depleted. We have ample inventory to meet the immediate needs of consumers in this territory for several months to come. We won't be making any further announcements regarding our PS3 model hardware strategy in North America until the 60GB model is exhausted and market conditions are evaluated.

Shhh, you can't listen to anything a Sony official tells you. Haven't you learned that already? The Sony president says they have no plans to cut prices and a few days later they do. The SCEE president says the new price drop in the US is only as long as supplies last, but apparently that's not true either. Boy, Sony is such an amazing company, you can't even make sense of what their top guys are saying.

You left out Sony. They don't post RUMORS or NEWS, just mostly LIES and MISINFORMATION. Notice how I type it in capitals? That makes it official.

So your trying to tell me Beta'news' doesn't post news? You go girl.

Though the article may have been based on rumor it's still news, as it was news to me when I read it.

Notice how fan girls try to say every one else is trying to spin things or say everyone else is trying to paint an 'illusion' when in fact it's them doing it.

Oh now thats sneaky and underhanded.

Interesting move.

My guess is that they're introducing the 80gb at 599 with the 60gb at 499. People buy the 499 until it's out. AND, since there are plenty of 60gb units in the stores, this will probably sell well (or at least better) until around mid/late October.

Then sales will slow for the 599 80gb. Then the day after thanksgiving, "Price Cut". 80gb for 499, or 449 (but I’m not holding my breath on 449).

If that's the plan, I got to say I like it. This gives Sony a sales rush for the 60gb, and another sales rush for the 80gb in time for the holidays.

Then they introduce a 100GB or 120GB $599 version.

Yea you may be right. They may do this for over a year as it gets cheaper to manufacture the larger HDD's.

But, at some point the price has to go below the 599 for the larger hdd. I gotta believe that by the end of this holiday season, the 499 price will stick. It would be dumb not to.

And the problem with that is exactly?

"And the problem with that is exactly?"

There is no problem, except for the fact that Sony already had a $499/$599 model in the first place. Then they decided to get rid of the $499 to force everyone to buy the more expensive model. That obviously didn't work, so now they're bringing back the low end model and being praised for a price cut. How exactly is this a price cut when all they did was bring back something that was already there before? If Microsoft pulled this sort of crap, you'd be at their throat, but for Sony it's fine.

So today, you can get a 60GB PS3 with Wifi and card readers, for the same price you paid for a 20GB basic unit a couple of months back?

OR...

You can get a 80GB unit with Motorstorm, the the price you paid for a bare 60GB last week.

Either way, this is a price drop, and everyone is stil whinging, basically because it's Sony, and they are not American, and therefore we must oppose the foreign workers taking our jobs, etc etc etc...

Last time I checked Nintendo wasn't American either...so what was that you were saying?

Oh, you forgot that part or the better answer you can't think why ANYONE cannot live without a ps3 when it has NO games and the quality even lacks compared to their counterparts.

"everyone is stil whinging, basically because it's Sony, and they are not American, and therefore we must oppose the foreign workers taking our jobs, etc etc etc..."

ROFL that has to be the stupidest crap I have ever heard. I don't give a **** about where it came from. The main things I care about is controller and games. All the rest is mute. Although it is noteworthy that Sony caters more to their home audience. Which is the reason for more RPG games and less FPS. Then there is the controller which I have hated since the PS1 that they keep using over and over.

"basically because it's Sony, and they are not American, and therefore we must oppose the foreign workers taking our jobs, etc etc etc..."

Except for the fact that the Wii and 360 have more games, more exclusives and still cost less than the PS3. That wouldn't have anything to do with the fact no one is buying the PS3, would it?

Talk about illusions.

Well then it's just you, as the PS2 Dual Shock the the best controller period.

Microsoft don't know how to design a controler, that's why they had to redesign the XBox controller, as it was a big as a house..

LMAO!!! Keep dreaming Steve.

http://crave.cnet.co.uk/...29441,49290548-5,00.htm

The 360 is easily the best gamepad ever made period. The Dual Shock is just all around horrible whenever you need to use both joysticks. Then they have their pathetic imitation of the 360s trigger.

did you read the article? where does it rate the 360 controller as the best... oh it doesn't, technically its number #5 on that website. so the current 360 controller compares to the old ps2 controller and n64 controller oh and snes and atari, i wouldn't be too proud. the only reason the ps3 controller isn't listed is because the writers clearly state that they were a fan of the rumble feature. the ps2 controller got it right the first time in a generation where motion tilting and wireless weren't necessary. the original xbox controller was a piece of s*** and had to be redesigned.

I agree their first controller was s***.(Although some people liked it) But their second one was great. Then the 360 was even better. Where did I say that they rated it #1? Also it is not rated #5 either. They are listed in order of date.

"because the writers clearly state that they were a fan of the rumble feature."

Most people are a fan of the rumble feature.

"the original xbox controller was a piece of s*** and had to be redesigned."

Who gives a s***. We are talking about the controllers for the 360. Not a controller that has been discontinued for quite some time now.

im sorry i thought you were using the article to re-enforce your belief of "The 360 is easily the best gamepad ever made period." that is why i had pointed how that they had not be ordered from best-worst.

yea i agree with you alot of people are a fan of it and i hope that some form of sixaxis² includes it now that the suits have been settled.

"The Dual Shock is just all around horrible whenever you need to use both joysticks. Then they have their pathetic imitation of the 360s trigger"
just a question where do you get this idea from? its simply impossible that the design of any of the dual shock controller is in anyway an imitation of the 360 controller or any xbox as it was created several years beforehand.

I'm talking about how they made the bottom 2 buttons into triggers on the six-axis. On the original Dual-Shock they were just regular buttons like the top ones.

The link was more of just aimed at Steve saying "Microsoft don't know how to design a controler." While I didn't particularly care for their first controller the latest Xbox controller and the 360 controller are fantastic. The way the offset the 2 joysticks and added a little more space between them compared to the dual-shock makes it much more comfortable when you are using both joysticks. Which nowadays most games use both, besides racing games.

You see it's amatter of opinion and you know what they say about opinions they are like *** holes and every one has one. Yours is just bigger than most.

And Steve runs away and cries while he hugs his drawing of a PMS3 that he may someday own.

Had a feeling this might happen--as I've said in the past...I thought it was just me, but I haven't found one 60GB hard drive in the world that is dependable, so perhaps the same is true of the one in the PS3. Granted most last two years, but not one 60GB hard drive, regardless of brand, seems to last more than 2 to 3 years tops it seems.

Anyone here that has a 60GB hard drive in their pc or notebook that has lasted 3 years or more, please prove me wrong. I've looked and cannot seem to find any. Heh, maybe 30GB and 60GB platters are difficult or something :\

Yes, I have an IBM desktop 60GB PATA hard drive in an old Pentium III computer I built several years ago. The hard drive still works without any problems.

I also have a Western Digital desktop 30GB PATA hard disk that I'm still using. The disk has no apparent defects that have occurred since I bought the hard disk.

You just must have had some really bad luck.

Yep, I've got a WDC-WD300AB hard drive that works too--even a maxtor 8GB drive I still use as a slave on my old PC--but I've never seen a 60GB drive last more than 3 years, nor heard of one that has lasted that long...until now that is.

Tell me that isn't an IBM deskstar hard drive in there--if so then you must not use your pc very much, or maybe you live at the north pole (those things run hotter than hell).

They sure so ... Earned them the deathstar name.

"Although it has an upgraded hard drive, the new 80GB model also removes a feature that may be important to some. It lacks Sony's "Emotion" chip like the PAL European model, meaning that the console would only be compatible with 88 percent of legacy games versus the 100 percent compatibility with current models."

Really? That's funny. According to Steve Austin and the other Sony shills on here, it's more like 97% for the EE and 95% for the software emulation. I'm sure they'll crawl out from under their rocks soon enough to try and discredit this article as per usual. I'm sure they're itching to call this "spin" and say this article is non-news. So predictable.

If you think about it, we all should have seen this coming. Who woul pay $100 more for 20GB of space?

I assume 20GB console will remain at $499?

What 20 gig, they got rid of that back at the very beginning...

Oh.. I guess I missed that. They really are pricing themselves out of this then, aren't they?

Pretty much. I don't care if it will get up every morning and cook breakfast for you, the average consumer is not even going to think about touching it at $600 or even $500. Actually the 360 is even still priced out of the market for many.

Microsoft and Sony have both misread the market, at least here where I am in the UK. I was anticipating an XBOX price drop when PS3 came out but it never happened and so I didn't get one out of principal. The PS3 price has never been attractive enough even with a pice cut and Sony now say Europe wont get a price cut like the US (if thats what it is) but instead a game bundle and controller package incentive. People dont want bundle packages they want to choose the games and add on themsleves and a console at a reasonable price not be told what to have by Sony!

I'm gonna get a WII and watch the market on the other two for a bit.

I would expect a price cut on the 360 if PS3 come out as threat. Of course, after more than 6 months on the market, it still not a threat. It's a freaking "game" console with no games.

Why would you expect a price cut just because the PS3 was released?

Theat's a ridiculous reason to not get one. And maybe now we all see why MS didn't drop the price at this announcement. Maybe they suspected it was only a temporary drop.

"Why would you expect a price cut just because the PS3 was released?"

Because the PS3 "is" a threat as is the XBOX Elite to the PS3 and other people would have been waiting for the same thing other than just me.

"Theat's a ridiculous reason to not get one."

Getting something cheaper is a ridiculous reason for getting it? (pls explain!)

"My opinion" is that if developers actually manage to harness the full power of the PS3 then the same games on the XBox will start looking less silky in comparison in the future.

I like Microsoft over Sony in all honesty but the machine was out a year longer than the PS3 and I see the prices by both parties as rip off. You can almost justify the price of PS3 due to the new technology costs of Blu Ray alone but MS manufacturing costs have dropped significantly now. After all, these two "Giants" keep telling us that they make more money on games licencing - if they dropped the price I would most certainly have got a 360 months ago and bought a decent amount of games by now and so would a lot of other people - so it adds up! I could have built a decent gaming PC for £500/$1000 which lets me do a lot more over the consoles generally and the games are cheaper.

I think most people have saw the light and got a WII, less powerfull but cheaper and more FUN - for the moment!

PS3 a threat to Xbox???!!!?!??!!?!? I don't think so. Not with s*** like this "fake price cut" in the name of phasing out an entire package SKU making Sony look bad after ten years of leading the videogame market while it's miscalculations, outpricing and utter arrogance forces its fans to jump ship and go to Wii and 360 in mother****ing droves, that is!

Bottom line: if SCEI/SCEE/SCEA keeps this s*** up it's gonna kill their hopes in the videogame market and turn the PS3 into another 3DO, NeoGeo, TurboGrafx or similar videogame console also-ran FASTER THAN A BOOMERANG-SHAPED SIXAXIS WOULD HAVE DONE IF THEY KEPT THAT ****ED-UP DESIGN FROM THE BEGINNING. Even the GameCube did bad in the market here (and there/everywhere/worldwide) yet Nintendo's Wii is at least trying to beat the odds now versus it's predecesor even after THAT particular cluster**** in part thanks to Sony's ****ed-up strategy (or lack thereof). In other words, Sony is falling apart the same way the "Big N" almost did, forcing a repeat of history IN ****ING REVERSE.

Worse, because of all the money they're losing on an expensive, worthless piece of s*** videogame machine WITH NO ****ING GAMES there will never be a PS4, PS5, PSP2 or anything after that for the simple reason that Sony has priced itself out of the market PERMANENTLY. So when Sony wakes up and finds the mother****ing truth about what their videogame business has died of they'll either kill of SCEI and it's components, buy out Nintendo OR pull a ****ing Sega and go multiplatform because the PlayStation hardware busines NO LONGER HAS A FUTURE. Period. Paragraph finished. End of story, AND BUHBYE SONY!

It says something when a company has to do this just to get new PS3's in the shops. They know the shops are sitting on gear that is not selling, and wont take new stock till its gone.

Yup, you got it. That's exactly it. Sony desperation at its finest. This fake price drop is going to move the "stale" inventory, so it can be replaced by the new 80GB model and give it a chance to collect dust too. It will create a short surge in PS3 sales so that Sony and its fanboys can pretend the PS3 is doing great. Maybe in time for Christmas they can pull the same trick. Release a 100GB PS3 and drop the 80GB model's price while it gets phased out.

Smart. Now that PS3 beat x360 for the exclusivity of the most popular and awaited title of all time ( Meatlgear 4 Solid). Its only a matter of time people start selling their 360's and buy 80gb PS3's.

"the most popular and awaited title of all time ( Meatlgear 4 Solid)"

ROFL!!! I almost fell out of my chair on that one. I saw the previews at E3 and so far I am not that impressed. The best game showed at E3 was easily and without a doubt Call of Duty 4.

Everything you said is true for Fans of MGS. But that is not everyone. I personally could care less.

I'm looking forward to Halo 3 and Mass Effect.

meatlgear 4 solid ?

lol... this is the first time i have heard of it... they should just advertise the ps3 as a blueray disk player with a few extras, thats all it seems to be so far

"Now that PS3 beat x360 for the exclusivity of the most popular and awaited title"

What a stupid comment. The PS3 didn't beat the 360 for the exclusivity of Metal Gear, it was always a Sony exclusive. It's like if I said the 360 beat the PS3 for the exclusivity of Halo 3.

Most popular game of all time you have to be joking. When I think of most popular game sof all time I think of the Mario games. I would think that GTA will sell more than metalgear. I wouldn't be surprised if Halo3 outsells it.

That's fine GTA IV is coming to PS3 anyway, and is gonna be better on Blu-Ray/Cell/HDD.

LMAO!!! Did a little birdy tell you that Steve?

all you xbox fanboys are all casual gamers that praise halo when it isn't even that great of a game, when it isn't even revolutionary at all...and as for COD 4....weak..the whole game is just going to be filled with scripts and no skill either..

Xbox, brought the rise of stupid casual gamers....what the hell happened to the gaming world....there just seems to be more and more stupid mother ****ers

Sure it will. [/Sarcasm]

It's multi-platform so I'm sure the Blu-Ray and Cell won't help it much. Kind of like on the PS2 and Xbox days they designed on the PS2 then ported to Xbox.

The 360 has an HDD too (if there going to take advantage of it). Developers just design the games on the 360 so that if you do have an HDD it uses it, but if you don't then it won't. Though they might use it for the PS3 because of the slower 2x BD-Rom read speeds.

"there just seems to be more and more stupid mother ****ers"

Just because you don't like a game doesn't mean the people that do are "stupid mother ****ers". Just fangirls like you.

You have been fooled by Microsoft spin, and your obvious lack of technical knowledge. Here are some facts. You are more than welcome to check them out..

1. PS3 2x Blu-Ray drive is NOT slower that the 360 DVD drive. The 360 DVD drive is CAV, and the data transfer speed varies considerably between the outer and inner edges of the disk. Obviously Microsoft quote the faster of the 2 figures in it's specifications. If you look at the inner edge, it's considerably slower than the 2xBD speed, if you look at the outer edge, it's marginally faster. Blu-Ray drives however, use CLV, the data transfer rate is identical across the entire disk surface. The 12x figure of the 360 DVD drive, is ONLY for single layer disks, it drops to 8x for DVD9 disks. Even on the outer of the disk, it's slightly slower than BD 2x, and the inner, it's considerably slower.

2. Coding a game to make casual use of a optional HDD (in the 360), and designing a game from the outset to use a HDD are 2 very different things. All PS3 developers can guarentee than all PS3 have a HDD, and games will be designed with this inmind. The 360 has cludges and workarounds to make use of optional HDD. This is why 360 games rarely make use of the HDD. It's certainly not as simple as you imply, in the form of
if (HDD)

...;

Else

---;

Whilst polymorphic code can use visitor patterns and the like, it's still a very poor substitute that simply relying on a HDD as standard.

Maria games!? SGD, Just so you know I figured out your typo: it should have spelled
M A F I A if I'm not mistaken (so that others who are slow to catch on may know exactly what is meant here {LOL}) so I guess you should stand corrected. Other than that, I just might see the possibility that you're on to something.

And the alarm clock rings, Steve it's time to wake up.

It's certainly not as simple as you imply, in the form of
if (HDD)

...;

Else

---;
lol if only, i could see why they complain coding for the ps3 is harder... more hardware more capabilties, less visual basic coding.

1. So the BD-Rom on the PS3 is consistanly slower than the 12x DVD-rom on the 360.

2. So what game have you designed for the 360? Didn't thinks so. You have now idea how they develope for the 360's HD. I've read about developers saying that they designed their games to use the HD if you have one, since most 360 owners do.

"as of press time" ....
Shouldn't it be "as of publishing time"? I don't see a lot of ink around here lately ...

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"Shouldn't it be "as of publishing time"? I don't see a lot of ink around here lately ..."
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Excuse me, but I believe that "as of press time" is standard terminology in the media business, even online. I do publishing on citizen media sites, and I'm pretty much already familliar with the media from my research prior to starting that.

wow from this i probly won't be getting this console for another 5 years

Yep. Like i said, there is no real price cut. The PS3 is still way overpriced! this will do nothing but drive more people to the Wii.

ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!! And not only that, but I couldn't have said it better myself. Sony's screwed up even worse doing this s*** that I can't even see them continuing in the hardware business after a stunt like THIS.

I would best advise that Kaz and his morons take account and note what I have written near the bottom of this page if they read this comment, otherwise they should leave Sony or face corporate ouster like the fools who corrupted TakeTwo/Rockstar. Sony's never going to get out of this without buying Nintendo out, pulling a Sega OR liquidating its videogame properties to the first morons to buy into their s***.

Sorry, but it's over for Sony. They'll never recover with their current videogame business model (or perhaps they're already beyond recovery). Sir Stringer should just get rid of the PlayStation business during the next sell-off cycle of unprofitable Sony bombs, or at least buy Nintendo out and merge the two. In the meantime, Kutaragi, Kaz and their loonies can go **** themselves.

ROFLMAO

typical sony

Why not drop the price to sell the older design more quickly, makes sense.

Sony says $499 60GB PS3 is staying alive (alive!) in US
Posted Jul 13th 2007 4:03PM by Paul Miller
Filed under: Gaming

After some turbulent hours of confusion over this story, Sony finally got its facts straight and let the world know that it is in fact not going to discontinue its 60GB PS3 in US once current stock runs out. According to SCEA's Dave Karraker, "As announced this week, SCEA's product offering in North America consists of a 80GB PS3 available in August at $599 and a 60GB PS3 available now for $499. We have will have ample supplies of both models to meet the needs of our consumers for the foreseeable future." Apparently the confusion arose from Sony Europe's David Reeves explaining that if they cut the 60GB price in Europe, they'd run out of stock in Europe by the end of July. So, false alarm people, please resume buying / not buying your $499 60GB PS3s in an orderly manner.

I don't agree with this. Since they first started Sony has always been killing the cheapest PS3 to focus on one SKU this generation at the expense of it's fanboys, starting with the 20gig model. It's the same old s*** every time. They discount the cheap PS3, kill it off and BAM! Kicks the price right back up a notch. (Okay, so I couldn't resist the paraphrasing reference to "Emeril Live" cooking shows {{{LOL}}} -- but I'm sure you get the idea.) Bottom line is this: Sony's two-package model is not only fake now, it's ALWAYS BEEN FAKE. In fact, it never existed AT ALL and in actuality is nothing more than classic bait and switch. This isn't a price cut, IT'S A SCAM. Now get me a SWAT team on the scene! {LOL}

What I think Sony needs to do is dispose of the cheap PS3 at the same time as its ENTIRE PlayStation hardware lineup. In other words, they ought to take PS3 and PSP COMPLETELY OFF life support (which is essentially what's keeping both of them alive right now) and then take whatever's left of their money, run like hell AND ONLY RETURN ONCE THEY'VE DECIDED TO SUPPORT X360, DS, WII AND PC or PICK OFF NINTENDO rather than rely on an already-dead hardware collection that will OBVIOUSLY PREVENT THEM FROM EVER RELEASING A PS4, PSP2 OR WHATEVER ELSE THEY WOULD HAVE OTHERWISE PRODUCED IF THIS WASN'T EVEN THE CASE.

Give it up, fanboys. Sony's videogame hardware business is NOT just dying, IT'S ALREADY FLATLINED. That's it. End of story. Nothing left to see here, folks: please move along....................