It's rather amusing to think of how Sony was expecting the PS3 to give them a tremendous advantage and opportunity to corner the HD market for Blu-ray. It's now starting to look like Blu-ray is quickly turning out to be the one thing that's killing the console.

On Amazon Electronics, the Toshiba HD-A2 HD DVD player has been the #1 best-seller for quite some time... above all other electronics, period. Blu-ray isn't even in the top 100.

You feel that sting, Sony? That's pride ****in' with ya.

I remember back in '93 Trip Hawkins had a similar attitude demanding an extremely high price for the Panasonic FZ-1 3DO system for all its "cutting edge" technologies... and yes, I drank the Kool-Aid. While the system had a handful of really fun games, the first thing I think of when I look at that machine now is "the console I paid way too much money for".

I bought a PS3, and have never looked back. I chose it because of Blu-Ray, as Blu-Ray is the best option in terms of space/bitrate on the disc.
PS3 is a great machine and very versatile. It plays Blu-Ray movies, It plays DVD movies, and even upscales them. It will play SACD audio discs. You can stream media from you computer, play games on the PS3, including older PS2/PS1 games.
One great thing about the PS3 over XBOX360, is the hard drive is a standard laptop hard drive that is very easily upgraded. The hard drive in the XBOX360 is in a special enclosure, and you HAVE to buy their drives, which are more $$$.
Also, As of now, the PS3 only has a 1% failure rate, where the XB360 has about a 30%. They also just had issues with the XB360 steering wheel overheating.
Microsoft is building a piece of crap with the 360. If I remember correctly, the XB360 does not have HDMI out, except on their high-end version.
People have said the XB360 is cheaper than the PS3, when it really isn't. If you buy an XB360 and want it to do the same things as the PS3, well, you have to buy the HD-DVD add on, a wireless adapter, a media card reader, etc....and by the time you are all done, you have spent the same, if not MORE than the PS3.

Yeah, your right. The PS3 is a nice piece of hardware. The only problem though is just that. It's game library doesn't compare to the 360's currently. The 360 currently has a few killer apps like Bioshock, Gears of War, Oblivion, Oblivion: Shivering Isles, Forza Motorsport 2, Dead Rising, Saints Row, Call of Duty 2, F.E.A.R. Plus a few more upcoming games as well like Halo 3, Grand Theft Auto 4, Mass Effect, Project Gotham 4, Assassin's Creed, Devil May Cry 4, Resident Evil 5, Fable 2, Bully: Scholarship Edition, Unreal Tournament 3 just to name a few.

And what's the PS3 have? Currently the only game I see that could be fun is Residence: Fall of Man. And for the future I only see MGS4 (which isn't a confirmed PS3 exclusive yet) and Gran Turismo 5? Haze looks like it could be good but that's about it.

The PS3 could be a $3 billion machine, but what's it worth without any good games?

"as Blu-Ray is the best option in terms of space/bitrate on the disc."

For data storage (and PC backups), yeah, Blu-ray is better. But so far HD-DVD seems like it has the better sound and video with current movies.

"It will play SACD audio discs."

What's that? /Sarcastic

"You can stream media from you computer"

The 360 does too. Plus it can act like a Windows Media Center Extender too. If you have a WMC in one of your rooms (like I do) you can watch all your recorded shows in your other room too.

"including older PS2/PS1 games"

My PS2 and PSone can too.

"The hard drive in the XBOX360 is in a special enclosure, and you HAVE to buy their drives, which are more $$$."

They had to because of copy protection. Which brings me to another point; You can download TV shows and movies (in HD). The PS3 can't. Plus who cares, 120gb’s is enough for me anyway.

"where the XB360 has about a 30%."

They fixed that with a 3 year warranty, which is better than the PS3's warranty.

"Microsoft is building a piece of crap with the 360."

That's a matter of opinion.

"If I remember correctly, the XB360 does not have HDMI out, except on their high-end version."

The Premiums do now too, along with the Elites. But you don't need HDMI. If you really want 1080p then you can with a VGA adapter, plus some TV's do support the 1080p though component. By the way, most PS3 games are 720p anyway (I'd guess to at least 90% of the games are 720p if not like 95% or better).

"People have said the XB360 is cheaper than the PS3, when it really isn't."

You don't need all those extra's to play Bioshock on my 'videogaming' machine. Some people don't care about HD-DVD or Wifi (Ethernet is faster anyway). Those people can save there money and use it towards games instead.

"a media card reader"

That's only for the PS3.

So all in all, when you get the Xbox 360 you’re getting more games, more exclusives for less money. And I haven't really seen any PS3 games out yet that really look that much better than the 360’s version either. And actually most multi-platform games look better on the 360.

Oh and I almost forgot the 360 has better online too. I've had no lag and there's been never a time when I've had no one to play with in any of my games either (and I have a lot too). Playing Gears of War and have someone help you out at any part of the games is pretty fun. If the game gets hard, just go online and someone will be there to help you out.

Did you catch all that?

Very well said. Most of the shills here will are blind to simple facts.

"where the XB360 has about a 30%."

They fixed that with a 3 year warranty, which is better than the PS3's warranty.
making a warranty claim when your sub-standard system fails isn't the answer. Microsoft should be making a more reliable product, not just extending warranties.

It's a good enough answer for me. I don't mind a 3 year warranty.

"I chose it because of Blu-Ray"

Mistake #1...

"PS3 is a great machine and very versatile"

That I will agree with. Its technical specs are indeed quite impressive.

"It plays DVD movies, and even upscales them"

One of the better features of the unit, able to be achieved with a simple DVD-ROM drive which could cut the cost of the machine by half. That would seriously drive sales through the roof. $100 off saw a tremendous spike in sales... keep it up Sony! I may actually buy one if that happened.

"It will play SACD audio discs"

Unfortunately, a dying (if not already dead) "hi-res" audio format. DVD-Audio was clearly superior, but it is sadly sharing the same fate as SACD. But, at least they learned their lesson with MiniDisc... or have they?

"You can stream media from you computer"

Not nearly as seamlessly and simple as you can with the 360 and a Windows Media Center PC on the same network. I almost thought it was too easy.

"including older PS2/PS1 games"

Sorry, but it is a rather well-known fact that the backward compatibility of the PS3 leaves a lot to be desired... even more now that the "Emotion Engine" has been stripped from the new models.

I agree with Bob on the other points he made. I (and I would imagine a lot of other people) simply do not need/want the extra features that the PS3 includes... or should I say Sony is forcing on you (reminiscent of so many other products and proprietary formats Sony has released in the past). The disappointing sales should prove that.

If recent events are any indication, I do hope Sony reverses their decision on having just one SKU on the market in the future once the 60GB model supplies are depleted. Offering a model without a Blu-ray Disc drive would be a nice start, but highly unlikely though, considering Sony's stubbornness and greed.

Do PS3s work properly with blank BD media?

Cos the best selling Blu-ray stand-alone, the Sony S300, doesn't.

Look at the PDF manual for the Sony S300.

http://www.sonystyle.com...etStore/pdf/BDPS300.pdf

On page 6, the manual states "this player cannot play" BD-Rs/BD-REs.

Oh dear.

I wonder how many know this......and how many of the shills are keeping quiet about it to deliberately deceive people?

I have heard of that. Makes no sense to me but I am not surprised at all.

There's Sony for you. Trying to copy protect everything.

Yeah just another little element of the Blu-ray BS they've been keeping quiet about
(just like the same best selling Blu-ray stand-alone was released with effectively 6 months of 'life' seeing as it can never be 'profile 1.1 compliant' which is supposed to be mandatory after Oct 07, still never mind it's only those hard-earned paying punter suckers getting turned over, eh?).

It's going to be a rude awakening for the fanclub & ignorant shills who pretend Blu-ray is just like having bigger DVD5s & DVD9s.

.....and lets not forget those really 'choice' shills who know this perfectly well but prefer to mislead people and keep the truth from them or pretend it's all just FUD.
(that's a good one, FUD from out of the S300's own manual!)

Good find there. Thanks... all the more reason not to support this format, as if I needed any more.

Sont did that before with the PS1. To cut down on people Modding thier PS1 and copying games, there was a particular release that if you used a CDRW it would not read the Media, but if you used a CDR, it was fine.

Thing was, I woudl use the CDRW first to make sure the game "Backed Up" and so that I did not waste a disc, but a lot of Coasters got made then.

Doing that tells me that there is a way to Copy PS3 Games and they are just safeguarding against that.

I dont have one but atleast the price is better then the inital price i saw on ebay from other's selling it for those who could not wait for it

damn, sony can't give these things away. after a $100 price drop and still in last place. this really sucks bad for sony. if it was not for a price drop how many would they have sold, about 10,000 for the month.

Meh. Halo 3 comes out one month from today, and when it does I expect 360 sales to skyrocket. Conversely, I expect the sales figures for PS3 to stagnate when gamers realise that Sony's offering has no killer app that even comes close to Halo.

Halo 3 is make or break for PS3, if 360 pulls away from it in great numbers, Sony will begin to lose exclusive software developers. No-one wants to make games for the console coming last.

Nooob.. Just wait for
Metal Gear Solid 4
Gran Turismo 5
Pain
etc..

My point exactly.

PS3 owners are having to wait for all these supposedly "great" games to come out. By the time they come out the console will be sunk. It is a testament to Sonys poor software lineup that you can only name two high profile games that are scheduled for release in 2008. (Pain is just a downloadable minigame gimmick)

Even then, they are just rehashes of what has been done before 3 and 4 times, respectively.

PS3 has no Gears of War, Bioshock, or Halo 3 to carry it through this holiday season. GTAIV would have helped, but alas, not even that.

The same can be said for Halo 3 as far as the rehash comment goes, but don't get me wrong... I agree completely. Well said. :)

They have been waiting for Lair and Warhawk only to find out they suck. Cheak out the new PSM magazine. Even a Sony fan magazine thinks they suck.

Ouch!

"Metal Gear Solid 4"

I personally like Splinter Cell better. There are rumers of it coming out for the 360 too, but if it's not I don't really care for it anyways. I tried getting into the first and second one, but didn't really see what was so special about it. I liked sneaking around in boxes though.

"Gran Turismo 5"

I'm not into racing, but there is Forza Motorsport 2 (out now, for a while); which I hear is good too.

"Pain"

What's that?

I don't own any nextgen console yet, but I'm really getting tired of reading the stupidness of people putting down the PS3. Is it a hobby with you guys or something? Is your 360/Wii that boring that you have comment of every PS3 thread and bash it. Does it bother you that much that the PS3 is improving?

This place is infested with M$ drones. Most of which probably actually work for M$ and are just astro-turfing. You see this in every forum.

And MS hate trolls like you.

There are quite a few Sony drones in this forum as well. Isn't that the purpose of forums? For people to debate and discuss the issues? When we are having a good discussion about the differences between 360 and PS3, such as game availability and such I think it has served its purpose.

When you come on and read an article and your comment is something like "MS is stupid, the 360 is junk" when it is outselling the PS3 even though it has been out for a year longer, you sound stupid. (not you specifically pitdingo, just someone in general).

You know what else is stupid? When you spell out MS with a $ as in M$ or Micro$oft. It's childish and dumb. Microsoft is a company that was founded in a capitalist country where the idea is to create a business that makes money.

Not to mention the fact that the Forbes list of 100 richest people in the world are all worth over a billion, and none of them hold a candle to what Bill Gates does with his money. He could be like Enron and come up with accounting schemes to inflate stock prices, then cash in their millions while robbing from the pensions of employees that were relying on them to retire.

Bill Gates has done no such things, and has devoted his billions to helping people around the world. You need to get over yourselves and stop hating the fact that MS has market share for creating a product that my 70 year old grandparents can use.

This is why they have a huge market share. Sometimes its not always the best product that wins. Each system have their own merits. If you want to use Windows then pay for it and shut up. If you want to use Unix or Linux or Mac, then use it and shut up.

Don't pirate Windows and justify your theft by saying it is too expensive. There are alternatives out there so if you want to keep the cost down, learn how to use Unix or whatever. If it has shortcomings, the market will win and the platforms will improve to cover user needs. Don't blame Microsoft for creating the easiest to use OS with the most game support or whatever.

On the same token, if you want to own a PS3 then buy one and stfu. If you want to own a 360 then buy one and stfu. What your neighbor is using has no impact on the use of your system. Get over yourselves and stop acting like a bunch of 2 year olds.

Competition is a good thing people. Let's see....Sony drops the price on the 60GB PS3 and MS follows suite with a price drop on the 360. Why is this a bad thing?

Nicely said.

Agreed

Actually its refreshing to see other consoles get beaten down. Usually its been someone saying the Wii is a fad or not good enough and it will go away. Obviously not the case.

Sony's PS3 sales improved this month, three people purchased one. So far they have decided to keep it even though they had mistaken the PS3 for a BBQ.

A BBQ, no that would be the XBox 360 with all its overheating and fire issues.

There are no fire issues. But the PS3 does look like a Goerge formin grill.

I was trying to figure out where the grease trap is.

Sorry - I stand corrected. KMart have agreed to swap the PS3 for a Webber and a bag of heat beads.

"Sony's PS3 Problems Cast a Long Shadow"

http://www.businessweek....7/gb20070516_346923.htm

I'm betting Hollywood and Hocuspokus will get a kick out of those loss figures.

why don't you post a relevant article?
thats from may 16th and talks about the possibility of a price cut.
this is an article about how the price cause a 60% increase in sales.

learn to determine if something is worth referencing.

I actually found it very relevant, as the article highlights Sony's projected losses over the next 2 years. Regardless of the recent sudden spike in sales last month, their losses are still staggering. Consider it an addendum to the above article, if you will.

The surge in sales was directly related to the temporary price drop. What do you suppose the sales figures will be once their supply of 60GB models runs out? Granted, that may take quite some time if past sales are any indication.

Sony's elitist attitude is what ultimately prevents them from making any serious money. The sales of the 60GB model were bad enough, and apparently someone had the common sense to suggest "Who in their right mind would pay $700.00 for an 80GB model?" They had no choice but to lower the price... but their greed prevents them from doing the same with the 80GB model once supplies of the 60GB are depleted.

The article suggests "the gaming division will lose another $240 million this year despite an expected 50% rise in sales..."

"Expected", yet in May Sony failed to meet their own internal sales goals. So if they failed to meet an expected 50% rise in sales then, what exactly does a 60% rise in sales mean now? I believe the losses remain the same... either way, so far a very bleak future for the console the way things stand right now.

Do you really believe you are the best person to be passing judgment on posting relevant links.

i hardly ever posts links. most the time if a link is in my post its a link to something another individual has posted that proves almost the opposite of what they were using it for.

so if i dig up an article from 2004 that states what expected losses mircosoft has had and continues to have for its gaming division is it relevant? no. because its not current. it does not take into account current model, pricing, sales and billion $ warrenty costs.

just as this article does not take into consideration lower production costs, higher sales and additonal sales from foreign markets (you know.. those things that the 360 struggles in).

so yea you might find it relevant because it helps you try and get a point across using inaccurate and outdated information, but in reality .. it was when it was written, not now and not with anything to do with this article.

You mention very valid points, and they are well taken, and I apologize for that last comment.

I do not, however, feel that the information in the article is that out-of-date and as irrelevant as you claim, as not much has changed. Article aside...

Granted, they may have slightly lower production costs now with their 80GB model, but did they take that opportunity to pass those savings on to the consumer? No. Instead they try to make the consumer believe they're getting a good deal by getting an extra 20GB and MotorStorm for free at the original price point. Hence, part of the reason for their lagging sales.

Anyway, I'm eager to see how the sales figures look when they run out of 60GB models. Without a bevy of solid games in time for the holiday season, it doesn't look good.

"just as this article does not take into consideration lower production costs"

Yea...because Sony did not have the foresight to consider lower production cost in their 2 year projection figure...sure.

Good grief... Nintendo sold almost as many GBA's last month as Sony sold PS3's in June?

Sony fans rejoice! The GBA is actually in last place.

To be honest, add me to the list of PS2's sold last month. I couldn't resist Guitar Hero 80's Edition. :)

sorry for 2 post, i just registered and the process to join and post a comment is little confuse. i believe first, that you need to register and then post the comment, but dont think the comment were posted before i register. sorry

No problem... we're used to Sony fanboys spamming erroneous information. :)

It's 159,000 in July... not 595,000. It's okay though.

595,000 Playstations were sold in July.

170,000 Xbox were sold in July.

Thats really good news for Sony.

yeah but sony has everything riding on the ps3 and bluray. things are not looking good for both as of this week.

also xbox is winning in the most important section and that is software sales. which is 2 to 1 vs the sony and the wii.

xbox - 2.7 billion since november 2006
wii - 1.2 billion since november 2006
sone - 1.7 billion since november 2006

595,000 Playstations were sold in July.

170,000 Xbox were sold in July.

Thats really good news for Sony.

still wonder how many of the ps3's sold last month weren't videophile's taking advantage of grabbing blu-ray player for $100 less and could care less about playing a game on it. be nice to see how the game to console ratio's are doing i'm guessing ps3 is still at the bottom of that list also

they have really good timing what with all the news about paramount and all.

yea how pissed do you think all of them are for going and buying a ps3 then finding out a few weeks later the format isn't dead but is definately on life support

just ask anyone who purchased a hd-dvd player. hd-dvd exclusive studios < blu-ray exclusive studios.

And? The smaller amount of exclusive studios is still producing a larger amount of exclusive content for HD DVD.

When it comes right down to it, that's what matters most.

It was shown at E3 that the 360 has a higher attach rate than the Wii and PS3 combined w/ the PS3 in last.

I would've thought the PS3 being last was common knowledge, but I respect you for being thorough. :)

Noooo... I comes down to sales.

2-1

No, it comes down to cost if you want to play this game... that's why studios are jumping the Blu-ray ship.

I thought we've been over this already in a previous thread. :)

Well, if that happened to me I could only hope that Sony started focusing on games for their game console... like they should be doing in the first place.

its not as if a blu-ray exclusive changed to hd-dvd exclusive. they didn't jump ship... they simply cashed their check.

how can you say they didn't jump ship. regardless of the reason they are not riding with blo-ray?

jumping ship would be as if they were a blu-ray exclusive studio that had switched to hd-dvd exclusivity. the fact that they became an hd-dvd exclusive studio because of a large monetary incentive is not the same as 'jumping' from the blu-ray 'ship'

People had gone from exclusive to 'format neutral' before.

No-one ever just dumped a format the way Viacom/Paramount dumped Blu-ray.

.....and you seriously reckon that $150 million could 'buy' Viacom/Paramount away from what the bD crowd claim is the more profitable better format with the future to one the BD crowd claim is "dead" & without profitability & a future!?

That is just so laughable on so many levels.

To a Hollywood giant like Viacom/Paramount $150 million is a pi*s in the ocean.

Wake up......and try reading & considering what they actually had to say about there reasoning themselves
(instead of that absurd little Blu-ray fanboy idiot Bill Hunt & his pal trying to spread ludicrously dumb rumours......you do know the reports of "rumours" of this bribe began with those 2 right?).

The article that was posted from PC magazine had very interesting information that explained the decision and it does make sense.

I also agree about the check. Just because 150 million would be a huge check for me the studio mad that in about one week of Transformers and that is just one movie. That is like giving you a bonus of a dollar and expecting it to be seen as a great deal. The amount that was made up really needs to put into perspective, its chump change to a Hollywood studio.

The jump is a huge problem for the BD camp.

I really don't understand this:

"Sony did gain some ground against Microsoft. The company sold 159,000 units, far surpassing June's sales of 98,500. But it was still unable to top Microsoft's Xbox 360, which sold 170,000 units - slightly lower than June's 198,400"

Sony didn't gain any ground. They just lost less ground. They'll only gain ground when their sales surpass those of the 360.

98,500 ps3 compared to 198,400 xbox 360 sales. 49.6%
Now is 159,000 ps3 to 170,000 360 sales. 93.5%
thats an increase of 43.9% in one month, that constitutes gaining ground. you're foolish impression of them only gaining ground when they surpass sales may be soon realised.

no. what they said made complete sense. math is awesome. learn some.

mmm, no!
but this is a perfect example of how cold facts (and nothing is colder then numbers) can be spinned and misenterprited by charizmatic people to make it look different then it actually is.

compare it to VSI (vertical speed indicator) of an airplane. the rate of descent (so not to insult you with word "drop") may have decreased by 50% from 10M/s to 5M/s but this still means the plane is going down, albeit slower. and if that is of comfort to you, be my guest

same here , the rate xbox gaining ground on PS3 may have decreased but it is still gaining ground (since is sold more units). i understand you might not like it but you should have realised by now (being of age it is possible to operate a PC) that in this life stuff that you don't like WILL happen to you no matter what.

that said, i personnaly don't give a sh...t about console war. it is just a game which somehow got way overrated. not going to own either, my XBMC box is working way better.

They lose less ground and lose more money. Gotta love it. I bet those people also about half a blo-ray disk too. Horrible attach rates. Oh I fogot those don't matter.

Even when that happens they are way behind in total sales.

I disagree. Gaining ground seems pretty simple to me. If Sony continue to gain ground on a regular basis, they'd eventually suprass MS in overall units in the marketplace.

But by your definition, they can continue to "gain ground" and NEVER beat MS in total units sold. So how could that actually be gaining ground?

If we were comparing these sales to the 360 sales at this same time frame, then we might be able to say they are gaining ground comparitively, but that's not the numbers we were given.

I hope Sony dies and burns to the ground. The only thing keeping Sony going is the Sony fanboys that buy their consoles no matter how much they cost.

Everything Sony sells is overpriced, all Sony care about is money nothing else. Sony is becoming the same as Microsoft, money grabbing bas****s!

why??
competition, remember? the more the better for you!

I would have to whole-heartedly agree with that statement, no matter how much I personally dislike Sony's business practices and attitude.

their proprietary power adapters are really top notch though. i never have to worry about accidentally using the wrong power cord with the wrong sony product :)

innovators!

all you fanboys out there can say what ever you please to make you happy.

all i have to say is that

My Atari 2600 still rocks and puts all other consoles to shame.

Yar's Revenge and River Raid pwned.

Four people, four paddles on Warlords...man that was awesome.

Indy 500 on the ice tracks.

So many killer games

those games sucked. berzerk, combat, and moon patrol > *

LMAO. Those three were the worst games for the system. total crap.

Ah so not even a fire sale was enough to get the PS3 above the 360 in sales. I gotta say even I thought that the POS3 would pass the 360 this month. I mean they have people frantically trying to scoop up those 60GB consoles before they are gone. Looks like the POS3 is going to take a last place this time around.

And now with a fire (literally) sale on the 360 and Wii is still dominating....almost time for the XBox 720.

"I mean they have people frantically trying to scoop up those 60GB consoles before they are gone"

Actually I see plenty of them at Best Buy whenever I stop by. But truly the sales are just SAD, considering there was a price drop and they still didn't even match 360 sales...

I was actually considering buying a PS3, but I stopped to think long and hard... and I bought a laptop instead. Sure I paid 3 times more than the POS3, but I know for damn sure I'll be using it rather than waiting on a good game.

The Wii is dominating and will probably continue to dominate. The next Xbox is still a ways away though. It is not profitable for them to release another console so early. It hurt them to haft to cut the Xbox, but it was really only their start up console of sorts.

nah. i heard they're releasing the xbox arcade. that's the kind of smart move that'll change the game there.

You post the same crap all the time you need a good kick to get the record past the bad track. You are still as clueless today as you were months ago.

Yeah, I keep wanting to buy a PS3, but whenever I start to think about it, I doesn't make since too. I always think of other things I could use the $500 on. Like 360 and Wii games, since they have more games and exclusives anyway). I also don't have all four Wiimotes and nunchucks yet, plus I wanted the Virtual controller too.

Another thing is that the POS3 can run Linux too, which I thought might be pretty cool. But then I keep reminding my self that I could easily build my own PC for about $500-$600 to run any Linux distro a lot better (since you can't access the BD drive and the 3D accelerator on the POS3).

I want to convence myself to get a PS3, but it would be just collecting dust and taking up space on my entertaiment rack.

Yeah, and even with the 360 price drop, the Wii continues to dominate it. I would save your money, sell the 360, and just keep the Wii.

M$ will soon abandon the 360 like they did the first XBox when it was clear the console is a failure. The Wii is king.

"The Wii is king."

I definitely agree here, If you check my posts from back in September of 2006 you'll see I semi-predicted their success.

As for the 360. I like my 360, I get HD-DVD movies. And I just bought Bioshock (awesome game, the first game I've actually been playing through since Gears of War.) And I still have Halo 3 to look forward too, I have yet to see anything worth my time and money on the POS3.

If you really want to play with linux, just do a dual boot. No need to spend a single dime on extra hardware. It's a bit of a hassle picking the OS at start-up, but it's still much cheaper.

So will this be another FUD article courtesy of BetaNews? ;)

So 360 has a 30% decline in sales, and PS3 has a 60% increase.

Perhaps the tide is turning. There does seem to be some great games in the next 2 months on PS3.

The PS3 increase is impressive, but remember that June was a "long" month according to NPD's counting. That means the Xbox 360 "decrease" wasn't really a decrease. In fact, the Xbox 360 still saw an increase week-over-week.

It's all the number that count. If use percentage, the one has the lower number always at an advantage.

your math is wrong. had it been a 'regular' month the ps3 increase would not have been as large.. true.
but that also means that had it been a regular month the 360 sales decrease would have been larger. the sales were 85% of the previous month with 170000 sold within 5 weeks, so 34000 avg each week. meaning normal month would have been 136000 sold, only 68.5% of the previous month.

30%? closer to 15%

I doubt it. Halo 3 is going to sell 360's. What does Sony have coming out this year?

Yeah, it couldn't be caused be people holding off purchasing a new 360 until the recent price drop.

are they out of spider-man games already? those really take good advantage of the cell architecture

LOL!!!
good one, thanks!

I think a newer version of Folding@Home is due soon...

The 360 has been out how long compared to the PS3 and the PS3 is still in last place. Sad very sad. Even the fire sale couldn;t help the piece of crap.

You statement makes zero sense. Since M$ rushed the 360 out (we are seeing all the defects because of that) due to the total failure of the first XBox, they had a year+ headstart on this generation.

The PS3 would have to sell at way high levels to make up for that lost ground.

The Wii just passed the 360 as the number one seller in this generation. The Wii is on its way to outsell even the PS2, which is the top selling console of all time.

Total failure I think not the system for being a failure si still outselling your beloved PS3.

Actually, your comment makes no sense. Microsoft had no reason to rush the Xbox 360. Sony had every reason to.

I would also hardly consider the Xbox a total failure.

Mine makes sense, you however are desperatly grapsing at straws as always.

then why did they? a 33% failure rate and a billion $ in warrenty costs doesn't come from a well planned console launch.

the ps3 was anything but rushed, the lifespan of the ps2 compared to the xbox is clear evidence. and the ps2 is still best selling and being developped for compared to the xbox which was effectivly dropped off the face of the earth

i see we are going to have a long day of fanboy bashing again

Not really a big surprise here. It is all about games, or lack of.