I prefer Apple to control the entire experience of Mac/OSX. They do an admirable job and it's what makes them such a pleasure to use and better overall value compared to the PC.

There will always be a handful of "unique" individuals with actual in-depth experience of both who may have a different opinion but overall...

The Apple Mac experience is like driving a higher end Toyota. Excellent mileage, elegant fit, runs well for many years, holds its retail value far better than the rest, rarely needs repairs, hard to give up. I have friends still quite happy with a 7 year old mac which runs even the latest OS Leopard (5 generations later!) quite well.

The Windows experience is like buying a Ford. Feels at first like you got a good deal. Seems luxurious at the time of purchase but the makeup loses its shine pretty quickly leaving you feeling like your driving an out-of-date, incompatible(can barely even run Vista) hunk of plastic junk within 2-3 years. Has a big engine but burns a lot of fuel. After a relatively short time, starts to feel like it handles like crap. Lots of parts available, lots of people can fix them - but this is due to Supply and Demand - cause they often NEED fixing. Loses value very quickly. Ends up as toxic landfill in short order.

/facepalm

You do know that Macs use the same hardware as every other PC on the market now, right?

That analogy would've have worked a few years ago. But Toyota's quality has been free-falling the past few years, while Ford's has been going up. Also, Toyota's service has been cut, especially warranties. Look at the new Tundra. Its got a bed shake problem where the bed will hit the cab and Toyota will tell you to go pound sand if you bring it in to get it fixed.

They are complaint to the Intel Roadmap.
And they are indeed a PC.
But each of the components, while they may perform the same function, are not necessarily the 'same' (as in made by the same manufacturer to the same quality standards) as all other PCs

We had this asinine debate over 'unique' a few days ago.

Great,

A dying format for an O/S that nobody has.

Blu-ray isn't dying at all; sales are growing at an ever faster rate :S

Perhaps you are thinking of HD-DVD. It has died in favor of Bluray which will take over standard DVD.

Not really. OLED discs with 2-10 times the capacity are coming in early '10 and BR just hasn't caught on. A lot like Vista, consumers just weren't ready to turn around and replace all their DVD media on yet another commercial whim.

This from a PS3 troll. ROFLMAO!

Yup, revised predictions of 6% of the market are simply staggering. If you are drunk....

Proof? I guess I missed the articles on Blu-Rays exploding success...

Lol Blu-Ray will get replaced by something cheaper with more storage before it ever gets close to taking over DVD.

well... I am a fan of both, but cannot resist saying... sales went up 6% on Blu-Ray and there are about 6% of us who use MACs... seems like an ironic match of numbers :)

actually its 11% :) But I usually cannot count that high drunk.

Dying format yeah right.. the pc backup storage are desperate for larger discs.. remember back in the day when you could fit an entire HDD on a single CD-R disc.. not so much right now. atleast BD-R 25G and 50GB are a small and needed step forward..

So unless some other format rapidly takes over it will slowly take over the market from DVD, both for films and as a storage medium.

Its about price hitting the right bracket, as soon as BD-R burners and discs hit a certain price I will buy those. They have hit 8x wich I was waiting for, when they become a little cheaper I will buy one.

Btw OLED discs, are you drunk or did you just make that up? Organic Light Emitting Diodes are usually for making monitors not a storage medium.

LOL

Wow, folks. He actually *is* capable of making posts that aren't direct personal attacks.

Kudos to you, man. I was beginning to think your obsession with me was all-consuming.

But don't call the doc just yet to have him lower your dosage. Baby steps, Zaine. Baby steps...

PC backup storage? Discs?

Are you high?

Remote storage, redundant disks. Who the hell uses disc media for backups nowadays?

I agree. Burning disc for backups in a corporate world is not going to happen. At home, most use external hard drives.

HDs are indeed increasing in use, but tape still rules.

6% actual in April 2008, 8% is the revised projection for this fall

http://www.betanews.com/...to_8_percent/1222372337

Not a significant amount of difference to care!

And with what software will they play those discs ?

or the deal is to buy a mac clone so you could boot camp to vista and watch a movie ? :)

Heh. Well 'support' for BluRay disks is still rumoured to happen in OS X soon, but the drives themselves won't come bundled in the system.

I've been playing RAW blu-ray rips for months on VLC.

Where, in any of Psystar's comments, does the author find justification for the title "Psystar puts Blu-ray on a Mac OS notebook first"? I see where Psystar is going to off Blu-ray on Mac OS desktops, and where they are thinking about offering Mac OS notebooks, but nothing about the conjunction of the two.

Just curious...

That was our mistake created in the editing process; thanks for noticing it, and we've fixed it.

-SF3

Two words: Jacqueline Emigh.

The epitome of detailed, accurate reporting. ;)

PC Tool - Please read Scott Fulton's comment, posted below your own. Although some readers don't realize this, writers don't always create the headlines for their stories. Thank you. Best, Jacqueline Emigh

So...

You don't post them? What, you guys send 'em in and someone else generates the headline and posts it?

If that's not the case, it comes down to a simple matter of proofreading. It's best practice to proofread it yourself first and have another look at it after as the writer will generally read what they *meant* to write instead of what may actually have been written.

It rather consistently amuses me how often this seems to be overlooked here...

Of course, if it is a case of you just sending the articles in and someone else doing the headline/posting, then you folks have issues that run far deeper than simple proofreading; In which case, I not only apologize for dogging your proofreading abilities and absurd headlines, I also apologize for your apparently inept posting/headline writers. That's gotta suck... I wouldn't wish that upon anybody.

Yea, it's a truly deep logistical issue. It's like this: It's 4 a.m. 23 hours after I started working, on 3 hours' sleep after a 4-day conference, I type "notebook" when I mean "desktop."

Yea, I'm sick about it. But you know what: We have a sophisticated backup system for catching and fixing these errors: Smart readers.

But we also have an even more sophisticated coping mechanism. In the context of everything we do manage to accomplish, for which I'm tremendously proud, this headline glitch is nothing worth hiring lawyers or psychologists over.

That said, with regard to your "inept" attribution, I resembled that remark more this morning than Jackie ever will, and I hope she accepts your apology.

-SF3

LOL, real nice there PC_Tool.

Who the hell lied to you and told you to expect "Nice" from me?? ;)

I don't play pretend or hide behind political correctness.

...and guess how much I care about what the people that pisses of think?

We have a sophisticated backup system for catching and fixing these errors: Smart readers.

Well, that explains a lot. Really.

Ban him :P
I haven't seen anyone banned from here yet.

Ooo you grumpy old tart.

I read dozens of tech news sites from ARS to ATD to ZDnet and a few print magazines, and trust me, BetaNews reporters often report details and explain complex stories with greater range than most all the others.

As for Toolie, I've long held this sad and very perverted wacko needs a life. He's the rush limbaugh of BetaNews: he never shuts off his drivel, and consistently ruins many reports on this site by his incessant and inane personal attacks on everyone, including the messengers. Toolie: get a blog dude; the rest of us just ignore your rampant, embarrassing stupidity.

LOL!

Tool...its 'all them choices!' ;-))

Personally, your the main reason I read up on the comments ;) Amen to being politically incorrect

"BetaNews reporters often report details and explain complex stories with greater range"

Dude...

Dude...

Well, I perversely like BN, otherwise I wouldn't waste so much time b****ing on the site. But... GIVE ME A BREAK!!!

That's, "Grumpy Old Fart."

Get it right. ;)

Speaking of personal attacks, have you made a post int he last three months that wasn't one directed at me?

No?

Of course not. You're an obsessed little puppy-dog.

But do keep comparing me to Rush Limbaugh. It's hilarious.

*shrug*

If the truth hurts that much, more power to 'em. ;)

Doesn't have to be. So nerr! I'm saying tart and sticking with it.

Yep, gotta agree with the Z man on this one.
We all know you are so far right of the good "Rush", it surprises me somewhat that you do not accept the accolade! Ah, but then perhaps it is a deity of whom we are yet to learn ('though I thought one D Cheney, Scooter, Rove et al, and certain unmentionable Saudis' are your heroes'), and "Rush" just ain't quite there for you.
As an aside, rather than making observations of your tirades on this thread my friend, I'll encapsulate them in this one meagre blast.
You and "Rush" seem to have a lot more in common than you are prepared to accept, ie addiction, we can tell how your meds are doing by the quality of your tirades.
There is also no doubt, you are an "Old Tart", again this is exemplified by the aforementioned incessant bleating, a word of advice my friend, change your script or get another pusher.
Now that you've started to smack down your pups must be of concern to them.
Final word, have the admins check the logs, this ain't by any stretch the Z!
I'll be in touch after the horse race is run & won on 4 Nov 24 starters over 3200mtrs, quite unlike your 2 horse race one dead man walking in the great tradition and the other a geriatric, google it dummy

Oh I figure you dont care... ;)

lol he needs a life? you must of missed the extreme wackos on here.....internetlife boy...

When talking about *me*, it's "Fart."

So there.

Nah!

Get back in the padded cell, sparky.

Good guess. ;)

At this stage, it's arguably to the end user's benefit that apple controls the hardware that runs it's software. This is part of what allows apple to provide a superior experience compared to the driver/compatibility hell experienced by Windows/PC users. People wine about the price of Apple hardware, but this isn't based on fact anymore. It's been demonstrated countless times over the past few years that the recent Apple machines provide as good as or better value part-for-part than comparable PC clones. They look ALOT better too. You also get a state-of-the-art OS (OS X) and they even runs Windows better than most PCs. For the moment, I'm happy to let Apple build them if it means skipping the M$/PC endless headaches.

I don't understand what you mean by compatibility hell if most components on the market are built for PC's, and _all_ of the components in my PC are healthy and working.

To be honest, the generalization and jokes that say that a PC's user experience is all about driver hell and crashes is pretty much sour now.

If you have the latest edition of Common Sense (2009) and a bit of skill, you can build your computer and put what _you_ want in it and make it work as _you_ want. The amount of stuff on the market for a PC allows for nearly endless confgurations that can acommodate for anyone's needs, whether it be gamer, designer, editor, whatever.

In the RARE EVENT that something goes wrong with my PC (PC errors seem to be *consistently* over-exaggerated by SO MANY Mac users), I can either run diagnostics or take my computer apart _piece by piece_ and find out what's wrong with it and probably fix it within the hour.
More than what can be said for another kind of computer. O_o

I see that Psystar put Blu-ray as an option, and the components they chose seem to work well with OS X. End of.

I have built many a pc from components myself and repaired countless frustrated user's Windows PCs as well. And I can tell you first hand that problems with the "average" users PC is anything but RARE. I wouldn't even know where to begin listing the crap I have had to deal with. It's one thing to "build your own car" as a hobbyist like you and I have, Dale - where we've spent the time and interest to learn it inside and out - it's another thing to be the average joe who simply wants to get stuff done. The fact that many PC users often have more knowledge "under-the-hood" demonstrates that it is because they have often been forced to go "under-the-hood" in order to keep the damn thing running. There is really nothing to argue with here - any of us who use our pc for more than the occasional game of solitaire know precisely what I'm talking about unless they are in major denial. I still like PC/Windows and take pride in being a poweruser - but having worked on both sides of the fence for a while now, it is difficult for me to continue to pretend that M$/PC offers any quality-of-life benefits over Apple/OSX.

lies, its obviously for apple's $$$ profit, don't pretend its about end users' benefit.

Most of the problems starts when a "average joe" user installs a third party software/driver.

If "Vista Joe" will use a vista installation like the "OSX Joe", e.g. running just the bundled software and not updating system files (drivers) - he won't have any issues, or very little - just like OSX joe's has.

but what would be the fun in that ? Any Windows user I know of, wishes to expend his system with more 3rd party software and updated drivers - and for the unexperienced onces, it MAY brake a few things. Windows itself isn't broken/harder to learn/complicated.

Totally agree. Many if not *all* problems on the software side of a PC are caused by the end user making some mistake. As for hardware, if you built your computer with care and make sure the environment it resides in is adequate- I heavily doubt that you'll need to open it up for repairs.

Your comment would be the same as a doctor saying Humans are flawed and always sick, because he has to deal with sick people all day. I'm rarely sick but to his point of view I don't exist.

Been saying that the entire time.

Well, not to flog a dead horse and there will always be unique people with actual in-depth experience of both who will differ but..

The Apple Mac experience is like driving a higher end Toyota. Excellent mileage, elegant fit, runs well for many years, holds its retail value far better than the rest, rarely needs repairs, hard to give up. I have friends still quite happy with a 7 year old mac which runs even the latest OS Leopard (5 generations later!) quite well.

The Windows experience is like buying a Ford. Feels at first like you got a good deal. Seems luxurious at the time of purchase but the makeup loses its shine pretty quickly leaving you feeling like your driving an out-of-date, incompatible(can barely even run Vista) hunk of plastic junk within 2-3 years. Has a big engine but burns a lot of fuel. After a relatively short time, starts to feel like it handles like crap. Lots of parts available, lots of people can fix them - but this is due to Supply and Demand - cause they often NEED fixing. Loses value very quickly. Ends up as toxic landfill in short order.

I THOUGHT ALL YOU MAC OWNERS DROVE JETTAS

MOST OF THE PROBLEMS WITH WINDOWS LIE WITHIN PC/NOTEBOOK MAKERS (ACER,DELL,HP ETC. USING CHEAP GENERIC COMPONENTS IN THEIR SYSTEMS. I HAVE BEEN RUNNING VISTA SINCE IT CAME OUT W SAME HARDWARE AND HAVE NOT HAD ANY MAJOR ISSUES WITH IT(I BUILT IT MY SELF WITHT THE COMPONENTS I WANT IN A CASE OF MY CHOICE. SOMETHING MAC OWNERS CAN'T DO).

Psystar IS JUST TRYING TO MAKE THE MAC EXPERIENCE MORE AFFORDABLE TO THE NON TREE-HUGGING, NON SELF-RIGHTEOUS, NON EGOTISTICAL PC USER WHO IS LOOKING TO TRY SOMETHING DIFFERENT.

DON'T GET ME WRONG I HAVE USED MACS ALSO AND THINK THEY ARE AWESOME. BUT THIS MAC IS HOLIER THAN THOU ACT HAS GOT TO STOP.

BOTH WINDOWS AND OSX HAS THERE STRENGTHS AND WEAKNESSES BUT TO SAY ONE IS BETTER THAN THE OTHER DEPENDS ON THE USERS EXPERIENCE

Caps are cruise control for cool...

Rotten Apple = vendor lock