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Q&A: Windows Live Search Senior PM Justin Osmer

By Scott M. Fulton, III, BetaNews

September 13, 2006, 6:55 PM

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BetaNews: When the idea for your QnA feature was first parleyed at TechEd in Boston a couple of months ago, some of the Windows Live developers were trying to explain it, and there wasn't a consensus. When you say you're asking the community about something and you're judging their responses, and building up their reputation, exactly what's happening?

Justin Osmer: QnA is a reputation-based system that allows users to go in and ask and answer questions of one another, and then get reputation points for providing answers and answering questions. Over time, once that database of information builds up, that also could very easily be showing up in the Web results, very similar to the way that the Instant Answers are shown.

The opportunity that we saw here is to answer the questions that, frankly, no algorithm released today can answer. For example, I was coming back from a camping trip with family, and there was a Jeep getting towed behind a camper. My wife and I were talking about that, and she said, "Gosh, I wonder if the odometer clicks when you're getting pulled like that?" I said, "I have no idea," so I got to work on Monday, fired up QnA, tossed the answer in there, and literally later that afternoon, I had three answers to choose from, one of which had done some very specific research for me on how engines work and the drivetrain, how you put cars into neutral when you're towing them, and this sort of stuff. I was able to find out, the answer was, no, the odometer doesn't click over because the transmission isn't engaged and the engine isn't on.

All you need to have is a Live ID [a.k.a. Microsoft Passport] and then anyone can post a question in there, and anyone can provide an answer. Then what happens is, you as the question asker can go in and check the list of questions on a fairly regular basis, and select which one you think is the best answer, and other folks in the community come in and vote and say, "I thought this answer was good, but that one was better."

After a certain period of time - I think our current timeline is four days - that question and that answer will get locked down as the question and answer, so the next time somebody goes in and asks a question about towing a car behind a camper, chances are, my question will come up and, if that was the question they were going to ask, and they got their answer, they're satisfied. If it's not, they can ask a related question.

BN: So we're looking for resolutions here rather than just matches. If I went into a search engine, and typed, "camping Jeep odometer," I could get any number of things that don't actually pertain to something that resolves an issue in my head.

JO: Exactly. Then we introduce the reputation system in there to help encourage people to stay involved, but then also to get some pride in the fact that they're involved and they're helping. Over time, you can become a category-specific expert in technology or odometers, because we've introduced a tagging technology in there that allows you to tag your question, making it much easier to go in and find questions to answer, or to find answers if you're just looking for an answer.

You could go in there and say, "I'm going to look for all the questions that are related to beta technologies on the Web," and then you yourself could be in there answering those questions, and over time, become the de facto expert in that category because you've been the one that provided the most answers, and the community has voted them the best answers.

BN: That opens up an interesting question: There are any number of issues which I will unabashedly say I could resolve for people -- maybe not on the spur of the moment, maybe I'd want to do some background research -- but on an ordinary day, it's not something I have the time to tackle. It's going to be a hobby for some people, but if I were to answer certain issues for people, it could be on behalf of BetaNews, which would make me not only a resolver of problems but a de facto advertiser, would it not?

JO: Well, certainly in the user code of conduct, we make it very clear that you as a person are the one providing the answers, and you are not necessarily connected to any specific organization. We don't want spam in there, people going in and saying, "Oh, yeah, I'm an expert in x-y-z, and by the way, here's a link to my company."

We want to make sure there's a balance there, and certainly if you write on a number of topics, well read across the Web, people know who you are, they'll see your name and they'll get that familiarity, and they'll begin to trust you a little more than they would somebody else. From our perspective, that's just fine, because it just gives more credibility to the system.

There's also opportunity down the line for us to recruit experts -- qualified people who have accreditation or validation for what they're doing -- and build out these different categories or these different topic areas by making them even more robust with a certain level of expertise there. There's a lot of unique, interesting things that we can do with this down the line, and we're going to continue to try to evolve it.

BN: Would some of those evolutionary opportunities involve revenue generation besides advertising?

JO: Obviously, you never want to say never, but I think one of the things we most likely will not do is head down the path that Google and other folks have, and that is, "Give us some money, and we'll go chase down the answer for you. We'll go find the expert, and provide you back the information." I don't believe that is a path we will head down, but there are also all sorts of potential revenue opportunities for the community.

The other thing, though, that you have to be careful of: Some of the early feedback we got from the beta users was, "Don't pollute this with monetary incentives for people to answer questions, or to ask questions," because in some cases, that's a good thing, but in more cases, the community voted that it leads to bad intentions. There's a balance there, and it's something we're going to work through in time.

BN: Well, rather than the users paying for expert advice, I could see where certain people -- for instance, lawyers -- might want to pay Microsoft for the right to have a little bit of platform elevation, to say, "Maybe I don't have the reputation earned just yet, but hey, I have a degree, and [I have some cash]." Paid placement is not necessarily an evil thing, is it?

JO: If done in the right way. That's obviously a very sensitive issue, especially when you're talking about search results. We'll see where it heads. It's a very interesting, fast-growing area of Web search, and we're excited to be in it.

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By extremely well

posted Sep 15, 2006 - 6:10 AM

If MS wants me to give them a try, they need to prove to me they are better, every time I use search. For that, I demand to see Google's results in a small side panel for a quick comparison. They can log my clicks (on Google too I mean) to improve their search engine as far as I'm concerned.

BetaNews should reconsider the use of email interviews. It's pretty obvious this was one of those. The answers are just too boring. Limit the answers to your questions to a few key sentences and totally eradicate repetitions of CRAP such as "we're excited, it's an interesting field, blah blah" - let's get straight to the point, please.

As for "factual data" - Microsoft is WAYYY behind Google and Yahoo on this one. "weather in NYC", "time in Japan", "500 usd in euros" are some sample SIMPLE queries WL Search is having difficulties understanding ATM.

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By stuarti

posted Sep 14, 2006 - 9:31 PM

Very nice and much better than there previous MSN search, comes tops with me. Right time to change my preferred default search engine to LIVE :)

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By PC Rat

posted Sep 14, 2006 - 11:33 AM

...

"Microsoft's attempt
to try to evolve the
search engine into
more of a social service"

...

Last time Microsoft tried a "social interface", the
result was Microsoft Bob !

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The Computer Rodent

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By cranbers

posted Sep 13, 2006 - 11:06 PM

Windows live search is absolutely a google clone right down to the exact layout, with ads on the right to clicking on the number on the bottom, also don't forget the simple only thing on the page search box. Here is what they missed.

1. Google color scheme
2. The google logo

I hope google sues them for copyright infringement because I have never ever seen more of a copy then this. I mean are they running it on thousands of linux boxes too? The only thing original is the search tips on the right that they took from ask.com.

Great job microsoft, what happened to the truly original idea of endless scrolling with no next page click? That I would admit was kind of cool but of course, that was too original so you had to drop it.

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By dwby

posted Sep 14, 2006 - 2:03 AM

cranbers, have you even been to the site? It doesn't look anything like the Google one. I like it a lot actually.

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By PC Rat

posted Sep 14, 2006 - 11:37 AM

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"cranbers, have you
even been to the site?
It doesn't look anything
like the Google one"

...

Bro. Rat's reaction, too. Windows Live Search
(who comes up with these names ?) looks ~exactly~
like Google.

Only difference: WLS isn't as good in the results
department.

First thing Microsoft should do: Pay Steve Jobs to
come up with a better name than "Windows Live Search".

"I-search" or something. Maybe the name of some
animal, like Lynx.

...

The Computer Rodent

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By cranbers

posted Sep 14, 2006 - 3:18 AM

Are you talking about the color scheme? That really is about the only thing different. The layout is identical, except google's looks much better. No it's not as pretty looking but it is much more functional.

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By dwby

posted Sep 14, 2006 - 10:19 AM

No. Not the colour scheme. Do a search in images or something. I don't see anything wrong with the layout, whether it looks like googles or not.

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By PC_Tool

posted Sep 14, 2006 - 9:26 AM

I have to actually agree with you on this (proving I am *not* an MS fanatic).

Just as Firefox pushed MS to fix IE (turn it into a FF clone), so did Google force MS to fix MSN Search by turning it into a Google clone.

Firefox is still better than IE, and Google is still far better than Windows Live Search.

It should really be:

Internet Explorer (Firefox Edition) and Windows Live Google.

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By PC Rat

posted Sep 14, 2006 - 11:40 AM

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"proving I am
*not* an MS fanatic"

...

Now PC_Fool has become a Microsoft ~basher~ !

How dare you say one thing against Microsoft.

If you don't like it, come up with a search engine
of your own !

...

The Computer Rodent

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"Microsoft:
Love it, or
leave it !"

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By PC_Tool

posted Sep 14, 2006 - 2:10 PM

How original.

1.) The name is PC_Tool.

2.) Someone already created a search engine I like. Thus removing from my plate the responsibility of making my own.

3.) I neither bash nor defend any company solely based on blind loyalty or hatred. You should try it sometime.

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By IceyKola

posted Sep 14, 2006 - 10:44 AM

Whether the interface is the same or not isn't that big of a deal. Sometimes you have to go with what you know just works. People are used to the interface, but they can slowly start moving away from it to a better interface if they can find one.

What makes it different from Google is the underlying search technology. Which one gives you the answers you want and easier? That's the one that I will be returning to.

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By cranbers

posted Sep 14, 2006 - 7:26 PM

The way I see it, Microsoft can never ever come up with something, original and be successful. The windows live search when it was in beta had a unlimited result scroll ability. Apparently instead of working out the issue they just ditched the idea. They said, Google makes all this money with this layout and format. Now that we have made a perfect clone, replica we should too right?

Microsoft already tried this with the new and improved msn search. They faultered, as in if this was a company like ask.com or whatever they would of went out of business. But like someone once said, try try again. Maybe Google will go out of business somehow, their entire Linux pc array will be infected by a massive replicating virus that will erase everything, cause Google to die over night.

I am sure Microsoft has thought about it, although im sure yahoo would just take the lost Google share. People just don't like or trust Microsoft, all of their products are looked at being forced upon the customer, not customers flock to it because they love it. Windows, office and all other products of their is looked upon this way.

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By PC Rat

posted Sep 14, 2006 - 11:42 AM

...

"Whether the interface
is the same or not
isn't that big of a
deal. Sometimes you
have to go with what
you know just works."

...

Stick with what works ? You mean, keep using
Google ?

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The Computer Rodent

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By IceyKola

posted Sep 18, 2006 - 9:24 AM

Sure, keep using Google if you want. I know that I will be; force of habit. But what I meant, and I'm sure you know what I meant, is that MS knows that interface works.

I will be trying to use both for my searches and see which one puts the results I was looking for closer to the top.

What I'm saying is that, maybe Microsoft doesn't have the obvious "originality" in the interface (other than image search), but maybe their originality lies in how they rank their search results.

Companies don't have to make new things to be successful, they can be very successful in just making things better.

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