RSSReport: 1 Million Mac Switchers in 2005
By Ed Oswald | Published November 7, 2005, 2:10 PM
As many as one million Windows users may have switched to Mac OS X, according to a note released on Monday to clients of financial firm Needham & Co. Analyst Charles Wolf disclosed the estimate and said Apple's current stock price of $61 has met the company's price target.
Due to this, the company is downgrading the stock to "hold," although with reservation.
Wolf said Apple's stock price could go higher still, as "the frenetic pace of innovation at Apple could present new opportunities." However, at its current level, the company feels the stock is fully valued.
But the most notable part of the report was not the stock downgrade.
Needham & Co. had earlier forecasted a half-million Windows users would switch to Apple's Mac platform during the entire year. Wolf now says that the estimate was too low because the firm had only taken into account switchers who had bought an iPod first.
Instead, one million Windows users have likely purchased a Mac in the first nine months of 2005, and it could even eclipse the company's 1.3 million-unit target for 2006 before the year is out. The firm is assuming that much of the growth behind Apple's computer sales is due to Windows switchers.
Growth in Apple's retail store chain also led eedham & Co. to reassess the "halo effect" -- locations are seeing 46 percent more visitors and 45 percent more sales year over year.
While the iPod may be fueling much of the growth, Wolf said that the reason why people are switching is not only due to a "positive user experience" with the ubiquitous music player, but rather continued virus and malware issues that plague the Microsoft operating system.
Also, instead of purchasing a Mac Mini, which most analysts at launch said was an obvious effort at introducing Windows users to Macs, switchers are opting for higher-end models that bring Apple larger profit margins.
"New products and innovative strategies from Apple should keep coming," Wolf told clients. "However, we can't quantify them in our valuation model since we don't know what they are."
I bought a iMac G5 earlier this year, used it for 2 weeks. Got everything setup on it however I just prefered Windows. I can't remember when I had any real problems with Windows. Windows Update does everything itself, AV, Firewalls and AntiSpyware software is all free and updates itself. I use my computer for surfing the net, etc. and it does that just fine. I ended up returning the iMac for a refund and bought a Dell for less money. At the end of the day it didn't make as much difference as I thought it would and I actually prefered the Windows OS to OS X probably because I am used to how it works but also just because it does all I need.
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Go to Symantec Antivirus Research Center (www.sarc.com) and click on search. Narrow your search parameters by clicking on "Viruses, Trojan horses, Worms and Macros" in the box below the search field and in the search field type Mac OSX Virus. You will get over 7,000 hits, many of which are not restricted to the Mac. I only looked at the first page of 10 articles and on that page saw at least 2 Mac OSX virii. As for the comment about the Applescript virii, if you ever get hit with one, you will not know the difference between an applescript one and an executable one once your system is pooched.
It is true that the virii for Mac are far fewer however and that is worth something.
By the way, many BSD or Unix based virii will clobber the Mac OS, some of which have been around for a very long time.
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That is what the mac users can't get through their head. They are not any safer then the windows users are.
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Count me in, I'm grabbing a PowerBook G4 at the first of December.
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One million and one? I've been using PC's since 1983, building them since 1985, an AMD64 fan the last several years.
After significant reliability problems with two HP enterprise grade laptops, I dumped office and some of the Mac versions of sceintific/engineering software I use on the Powerbook (originally only bought for "fun stuff" six months ago) and haven't looked back. Apps used include Office, Deltagraph, Life Balance, Keynote, Maple 10, Ashlar-Vellum Xenon, Sticky Brain, Omni Graffle, Notebook, and Nikon Capture, and Adobe Acrobat, and InDesign.
On the PC, I still use Altium Designer, Catena SIMetrix, and LspCAD 6.
Best move I've made in years, but then I've been running XP skinned as Aqua a long time, anyway.
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when osx becomes official for normal home made pc's. IM SWITCHING TOOOOOOO!!!! i might even consider paying for sutch os:-)))
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That makes 2 waiting for MAC OS X to run on Intel chips :P. I even tried installing it on my current pc (there is a way, just Google it) It is just too much work… I’m tired of cleaning, fixing and reinstalling windows every time something goes wrong.
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I'd just love to know how they get to this conclusion? Do they check to make sure these people buy a mac and no longer use windows? I mean, better yet - how do they know that these people had MS Windows in the first place? I'm so confused.
I can see them justifying and saying that 1 million more Macs sold (in the normal time it takes to sell howoever many), but I don't understand how they're so sure that people switched. And what they entitle 'switch' to mean.
For instance, there are schools in certain cities which use(d) Macs, so parents may buy a Mac for their child at home so they don't have to cross platform between school and home for homework and projects done on the computer. Likewise, in my first semester of the college I attended I had to get a mac laptop because that's what they used (yes, I even had to buy it), but a few months later they adopted the use of IBMs and Dells, where I promptly switched to an IBM at no cost to me. So in that case, I bought a Mac because I had to, but I didn't switch whatsoever.
Ah well.
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What else would they come from? It's not like a Linux user would switch to OSX. Not enough bits to play with and break. ;)
I'm considering switching some other boxes at home over to Mac... my mother certainly would be better off.
Personally, I'm still stuck with unstable Windows boxes for gaming. :P
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The writers of viruses will target Windows platforms because it is ubiqitous, therefore a higher payback. Why write a virus for a platform like Mac that constitutes less than 6% of the total?... a waste of time.
What is this blue screen of death? Last time I saw one of those was on NT.
Some of my XP desktops and Server 2003 servers have been running for months without a reboot, the servers I usually force a reboot now and again after 3 months or so from habit.
LOVING IT!
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Maybe you should patch it now and then. You haven't been up for mos unless you've neglected it.
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No BSOD on XP....ever? Wow, you must not do much. I've already managed to crash and kill it about 6 times, and I've only gotten to installing it.
Now 2k...that thing is stable as hell. The only time I _ever_ got a BSOD was when I told it to lower itself to 50mhz FSB.
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I've only had one BSOD on XP, and it was due to faulty RAM.
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I haven't switched, and here's why. I'm perfectly happy with x86, and Linux. Shoot I'm competent with Windows. MacOS would be a whole new world, and well I straddle Linux and Windows now so I don't really need it.
Windows comes with the computer, reload with Linux then install XP in VMware using the serial off the bottom of the PC.
It's a killer combo, really. (At least for me)
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fewt said "I haven't switched, and here's why..."
I haven't switched either and heres why: I've been using Macintosh since 1984 and am extremely happy with it.
;-)
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Hey, my grandma loves her MAC, she is gotten so good at using it that she is even better at editing video than I am. The funny part is that she 74!!! She had a windows machine 2 years ago, but she was so annoyed by it that she gave it to the Salvation Army.
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The article got the numbers from "the number of Windows users purchasing a Mac"
bleh...
More windows users have downloaded Linux than that (Linux is free, you don't have to pay) so does that mean anything?
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How many continued to use it after downloading it? I played with it for a week, chucked it in the 'why would I waste my time bin?'.
If they've spent the dough on the hardware though, it's not like they're going to stop using it.
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I would really, really consider switching but living in a relatively rural area with the nearest Mac support three hours away as far as sales, repairs, and just plain "how do you do this?" I would be quite nervous about leaving Windows. I am talking about just fundemental computer use.
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capandjudy, as strange as this may sound, because you are in a rural area you probably need the reliability of Macintosh OS X more than most people.
Change is always difficult. But you won't miss the windows "Blue Screen of Death" when windows bombs or constantly battling viruses and malware.
Get yourself a Mac and enjoy a clean, powerful, virus free system that's a lot of fun to use.
BTW, Mac Mini's start at $499. Good luck!
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My uncle switched to a mac, and he gave me his old windows box to format and use to my liking. His DVD superdrive burner thing died and it took Mac support 4 months to fix it, and he had to drive about 3 hours close to 8 times to finally get the store he got it at to send it back to Apple.
Despite that, he's happy, as he says it's less of a pain than his old PC.
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lmao... [My personal experiences, YMMV]
I bought a Dual G5 with Tiger on it about 3 months ago.
I swear it takes longer to boot and app-loads take longer than they do on my 1.8Ghz Dell.
I baerly use the damn thing. At first it was all, "Ooh...pretty", but after about a week of BS, I 've basically stopped using it.
Worst purchase I've ever made.
Just Works?
FTP Access is hokey at best through Safari. I'm sure there are other ways to access it, but it's supposed to Just Work, right?
CD Burning? Give me a break.
In Windows I copy the files to the CD, right-click on the CD and click "write files to CD".
In Tiger? My God, man...insert blank cd, create burn-folder, drag files to burn folder, click burn, wait, remove CD because apparently it doesn't work if the CD is already in, put CD back in, click burn again, click OK./BURN/whatever, scream.
I'm a competant Windows user, a LAN Admin, yadda, yadda... I'll never buy a Mac or use MacOSX again if I can possibly avoid it.
The slopwness could be an issue with this particular system, but due to the useability issues, I really can't be bothered. I suppose, due to the cost, I'll bring it in eventually, and then give it to a relative, but....
*shudders*
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Good. Probably means 1 million less zombie PCs out there.
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Hmmm...I cant argue with that...
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Don't worry, when the mac is on enough machines for a hacker to sneeze at, a couple virus writers will put that million or 4 more zombie PCs out there for ya.
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bourgeoisdude said "Many people simply "tried" MacOS but return right back to Windows systems..."
If you and your three friends "tried" Mac OS X and weren't satisfied that you couldn't get your Windows peecee games to run (not to mention those 10,000+ Windows viruses) on Macintosh OS X and went back to Windows, that doesn't mean "many people" are switching back to Windows.
But then, maybe your sampling of your three shoot 'em playing buds is more accurate than all the professional analyst firms like Needham & Co.
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My self tried the Apple, since I do some video a photo work, and I saw 0 benifit of switching to that OS. I also did not see it any more stable then my XP machine.
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I have two friends that also thought they would give the old Apple a run, seeing how we all used them in school. We couldn't find anything that would make us keep let a long buy a MAC over a Windows PC. I mean it has bugs too. There is just so much more you can do with a Windows system than you can with a MAC at this date. I am sure MACs will one day get theirs, but I am not content to pay more for less. If I want something that does what a MAC does, Well I can keep my Windows box, but my Linux will do everything the MAC does and I find that there are more games and faster programs for Linux than MACs. Just my opinion and findings.
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Well said. I know about 7 people personally who have switched to a Mac in the last 6 months. And by switch I mean they rarely to never boot Windows any longer and all primary tasks are done on the Mac.
Still, an actual analyst firm is probably a better indicator of the number of switchers.
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gawd21 said "If I want something that does what a MAC does, Well I can keep my Windows box, but my Linux will do everything the MAC does..."
I don't even know what to say about that comment. I mean where would I start? ;-)
Anywho, can your peecee do this: http://www.apple.com/switch/
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Yep as easy as an iPod, can't buy songs from any store only apple's store. As easy as an iPod, the iPod will only transfer songs 1 way and does not act like a hard drive(without any hacks). Connect with a windows XP machine (using XP wireless zero connect) you can connect in seconds. "Buy a Mac and you become part of the solution." HA buy a mac and you are part of the best true monopoly every. Have a problem with a MAC who do you call Apple, NOT dell, HP, etc. Want to use any software on the internet Good luck with the MAC.
That is why 98% of all viruses and spyware don't work on a back, since around 90% of most software does not work on a MAC.
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school1012 said "That is why 98% of all viruses and spyware don't work on a back, since around 90% of most software does not work on a MAC."
Actually shoolboy, it's much worst than you think:100% of viruses don't work on Mac OS X. In other words their are 0 viruses on Mac OS X! Last count had over 10,000 viruses on that sorry excuse of an OS called windows. Hope you stick with windows; sounds like you deserve it!
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school1012 said "...the iPod will only transfer songs 1 way and does not act like a hard drive(without any hacks)."
You really should ask somebody if you don't know something BEFORE posting comments. Then you wouldn't seem so foolish. e.g.
To use the iPod as an external hard drive, do this:
1. In iTunes click iPod button
2. Click "Enable disk use"
Done. No "hacks" needed.
Good luck to you friend.
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It's over 50K, not 10K.
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Details, post details.
What caused you to go back?
Did you ever find a chipset that it was supported on to test with on that spare drive? (heh)
Don't tell me that you downloaded the x86 version and based your opinion on that. Did you do the Apple 30 day trial? How did that go?
Was it less stable than XP?
How?
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No, there are Mac viruses. None that actually are widespread, agreed, but there are several viruses written for MacOS: http://www.macvirus.org/
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bourgeoisdude said "No, there are Mac viruses. None that actually are widespread, agreed, but there are several viruses written for MacOS"
Read my lips, there are zero (0) Macintosh OS X virus.
The old, discontinued OS 8 and OS 9 (over 6 years old) had a hand full (mostly Microsoft Office macro viruses). The current Macintosh OS X (totally different animal under the hood) has absolutely zero virus. Sure, someone can put together a script in a lab but they haven't been able to get it to propagate in the wild because of the way Mac OS X is designed. There has even been bounties offered for the first Macintosh OS X virus - no winners (or losers).
Call Symantec tomorrow and ask them to send you a list of Mac OS X viruses (not office macro viruses or windows viruses). They won't be able to send the list - it doesn't exist!
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Bahahaha!
Feel like stepping out of the dungeon into the real world anytime soon? What's it been, 10 years? ;)
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You'd be one of the lucky few. XP is better than 9x, but it's still not good code. The more bits you add, the more muddled it gets.
But hey, if you don't need what a Mac has to offer, why WOULD you switch?
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But what's it have to offer?
I've looked at Macs, and I've looked at Windows. They're both pitiful in terms of what you get - you have to go out and find free programs to get them to really do what you want.
Linux is best off if you look at it that way...you get nothing, for nothing, and get tons of free stuff from skilled programmers. :P
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A while ago Symantec designed a virus that could propagate through quicktime simply by playing videos. Infected comps could spread the virus to other computers to disable a whole slew of quicktime related things. Basically....a virus that messes up quicktime really bad but can't do anything else except spread.
It was patched in about 2 months.
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Wow, not sure where you got your information from - but there are viruses for Macs. They're not as rampant because there aren't as many Macs as there are PCs, and there's also not alot to infect on a Mac system and no way of passing the infection easily. But there are definately quite a few Mac viruses out there.
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Here's one buddy - as I said, Mac viruses don't easily propogate because there's no easy way for them to spread...let's look at a couple factors?
1. Cracks, patches and keygens for WINDOWS software are virus havens, and this is where MOST if not all viruses come from other than spam/mail.
2. Lets look at the logic of it - Mac viruses were pretty bad around the spam period (2002-2003); this was around the time spam got God awful but people started realizing the 'James Donald' who sent them the email about p**** enlargment is not the same 3rd son of their grandmothers sons brothers uncles nephews cousin. So, people wised up and weren't opening every email they got.
3. Shady websites were also virus ridden, phone dialers and all this - and they were quite bad with Macs also, but Mac ppl, not being used to viruses and not having a virus scanner - how the hell would they know? All they know is that their Mac is dialing a 1900 number, so they call Apple tech and Apple tech says "oh, yes, we have that problem with a batch of those modems, we'll repair your machine for you"
So c'mon .... you can't say Macs have no viruses if most macs don't have virus scanning software....then how would you really know? (And since according to many Mac users, there ARE no Mac viruses then...I mean, why would you have a scanner?)...it's a viciously misinformed circle.
http://securityresponse....acos.mw2004.trojan.html
There's the link to one of a number of Mac OSX viruses.
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Please stop reading FUD and get FACTS. Please name any Macintosh OS X virus.
And I don't mean $ymantec lab rats claiming they created one in a lab.
Otherwise, let's move on.
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Kramy said "A while ago Symantec designed a virus that could propagate through quicktime ..."
Good for $ymantec and their shareholders (all 12 of them).
They run a "protection racket" so sure from time to time they'll claim everyone needs their "protection". If they can name a single virus in the wild for Macintosh OS X, the world would love to know its name.
BTW, please don't confuse Macintosh OS X with the older, discontinued OS 8 or OS 9; OS X is different!
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BTW, I stand corrected: Windows has over 50,000 viruses, trojans, etc. and counting.
Heaven help you!
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"Windows has over 50,000 viruses"
*checks PC*
Nope. Not a single one. And I can play FlatOut.
So there.
(This flame/troll brought to you by the number 13 and the letters F and U.)
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http://www.trendmicro.co...CONCEPT%2EA&VSect=P
http://www.trendmicro.co...OSTART%2EDM&VSect=P
http://www.trendmicro.co...FRENEPO%2EB&VSect=P
Yep, Mac OS X is included here, and it's not Symantec. So...is Trendmicro full of $hit too, or maybe someone else?
Again MacOS doesn't have many security threats compared to any other product, but the point is MacOS does have viruses on occasion. I'm tired of arguing though.
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Ok, Lets ask this; How many games, network management programs, server software, and or programs in general are there for the MAC? 10 12? Now look at what is there for the Windows OS Millions. It only takes the game manufacturers a year or 2 to update a game for a MAC, when they have release 2 or three for a Windows OS. If MAC is so good then why doesn't most of the world use it? I mean heck here in the US we are raised with them in our schools, yet we turn away from them for Window Boxes and Linux Boxes. Why is this? I mean MACs are just so great, right? What can you do on a MAC that an AMD can't run circles around? I want a fact.
EDIT: I read this: http://www.apple.com/switch/
It's just a bunch of hype that doesn't give you one thing that a MAC can do that I can't do on a cheaper and wider supported platform such as the Windows OS. Yes, I know there are more than 10 or 12 programs for MACs, it was a metaphor.
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Whom don't get paid, there goes the economy
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Thanks for the useful links; you proved my point: There are NO Macintosh OS X viruses.
Three so called "concept" viruses created by a bunch of glory seeking lab rats like "MAC_MP3CONCEPT.A" that has not and cannot propagate is by definition NOT a virus. Get it?
Too bad windows has over 50,000 real, self propagating viruses, trojans, etc.
Maybe this will help to clarify things better for you:
"In computer security technology, a virus is a self-replicating program that spreads by inserting copies of itself into other executable code or documents. " (Wikipedia) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_virus
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How?
How would it hurt the economy?
By companies saving $199 x NUM_EMPLOYEES?
I see, so lets say there are 100K employees of company X and the discounted rate for XP Pro is $120. That's $12M right? So, if company Y saves
$12M by not licensing a software product how exactly does that hurt the economy?
$12M is A: Increased Profit, B: Added to the Raise pool, C: Salary for 300 employees at $40K (lets take 30 of those to support the Free OS and you still have 270 jobs left DOH there goes your response!), or D: Whatever the company decides to do with it, any of which making their shareholders happier.
OR, lets give it to a company that's stock is FLAT, and that only pays dividends to shareholders once (wasn't it?). The company adds that to their cash pool effectively keeping it out of the economy.
Tell me again how it hurts the economy, I'm just not seeing it.
Lets say that 15 of those are paid to support those free products that you are whining about.
Oh, there went your other comment too.
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MCafee? Symantec?
BAAH, LYSOL BABY!
shoot a little in the power supply intake every few days, and watch the buggers sizzle.
heh
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Amen to that.
Apple has a clever set of thinkers over there and they find any and everything to say to try to get people to buy Macs - well, obviously, this is marketing. What they FORGET to tell you is that....
1. any mac software/product/peripheral/part/service will be $20-$100 more expensive than its pc counterpart.
2. buy apple, has to be serviced by apple....which costs another 100-300 past your 1 year limited parts warranty on most of their products. proprietary parts in your lovely mac means that if a power supply, processor, ram, board, add on card gets screwed, so do you. on the pc, you replace it with a part you get from best buy/circuit city/compusa/online store for much cheaper.
3. pay, pay, pay, pay....there are hardly any programs that work with a Mac out there, so forget about getting programs that you can normally find for your pc online. Very few freeware Mac apps. and those that are developed personally are almost all shareware.
4. virus? you'll never know - because they're so called virus free - you don't have, or need a virus scanner, meaning when you DO get a virus (you won't know it and therfore...), see option 2.
5. Based on 1-4, your MAC experience will be expensive. And you Mac users CANNOT deny this.
Not to mention there WAS a time when MAC users claimed macs had no security holes. Then they started being discovered, now it's 'no viruses' .... yeah, ok. XP may have 100 holes, but they're fixed for free. Macs recently started their 20+ security hole updates free, before you had to BUY an OS revision patch for like 120 bux that took you from .3 to .4
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Why would I want to pay someone for a product when it is free. If I am not paying the person that created this code any money how can this person support them selfs? Also using open source I can take the source code from someone and just resell it as my own, again the original person does not get paid. This has already happened and will continue to happen. The MSFT way of paying for a licence helps the programer get paid. If I am a programer I want money not GIVE my software away for nothing.
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You got nothin lol
Next time, read my comment. I make it perfectly clear how that person makes a living.
perfectly.
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They don't. THAT IS the point, Who gets paid when I download and use OpenOffice? Who gets paid when I download Linux? Who gets paid when I download FireFox? I don't pay for these products and I don't donate any money to these companies. So explain who gets paid. It is not the programer.
"I see, so lets say there are 100K employees of company X and the discounted rate for XP Pro is $120. That's $12M right? So, if company Y saves
$12M by not licensing a software product how exactly does that hurt the economy?"
This helps the bussiness that uses this software but how about the person that made the software?
If I joined the firefox team to help the browser I expect to get paid for my work. Since this company is open source and the source code is given away for free (No Royalty) then HOW will I get paid?
If all programs for the PC was free, This would help the consumer, but how about the person that created the code, they get 0. I have seen this happen already.
Why do you think that 85% and free programs all have some form of ads in them (They need to make money, so the programs can get paid). If they don't get paid they don't buy stuff, which does not help the economy. My college analyzed this problem, and that is briefly what they came up with.
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Too damn bad they didn't teach you how to read.
Programmer works for company that's able to hire them due to cost savings of not purchasing expensive licenses. Programmer writes code for firefox among other things on the clock. Programmer eats, you get free software. The economy strives.
Look, google is doing it today.
As is AOL, IBM, HP and 1000 other companies.
Have fun in college, someday you'll be in the real world and you'll have to look at the real picture.
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Did you ever hear of somthng called ADS. When ever I search will google now about 65% of the search are all ads, which is where they get the money. Same goes for Kazza and other free programs (they include ads to make MONEY). I don't think you understand, and I don't thinkyou ever will. So I will stop wasting my time trying to explain something that is so easy to understand.
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LOL WTF are you talking about?
Go home.
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I highly doubt they "switched". It's more likely that they bought a Mac and still have one or more PC's at home.
Hahahahhahahahaha
Goobers.
A good friend of mine has 3 PC's at home and his wife wanted a Mac. They bought a Mac-Mini. They still have all of their PC's though and his wife uses both Mac and PC. I don't consider that a switch.
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But how do they count this. I had a few friends that bought a mac & mac mini. When they brought it home they disliked it, and some programs would not work on it. So they returned it. I am not saying that people have not switched, just are returns counted? Are previous mac owners counted? I tried the Mac OS X out, there are some things I liked about it but no where enough for me to switch. There is more in Windows Vista beta 1, for me to switch my XP machine to Vista.
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Agreed. Many people simply "tried" MacOS but return right back to Windows systems...of course the same could be said that Mac users try Windows...still I doubt 1 million users actually switched for good. Possible I suppose, but very highly unlikely.
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They may use both. Personally if Apple opened their OS to install on ANY computer I might buy it and install it on my system. But since I have seen how apple works(Locked iPod, and OS) I don't think I will ever see this from apple(except the hacked version :)
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Correct me if i am wrong...but Windows is still closed source is it not? So i really don't understand "school1012"'s argument... boo :(
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Windows you can still install on pretty much any system (x86, x86 64 bit, and even PowerPC w/ emulation). Mac OS on the other hand does not allow it self to be installed on non-apple hardware.
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Thankyou netwiz562 for explaining this. I thought most people would understand :)
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It's more than just that. The latest software won't even run on the initial x86 build for example.
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