Its been a well know fact for years and years that China is amassing a huge inventory of electronic espionage devices and tactics. Why is this news?... because The US Government is to busy fighting personal vendetta wrs with iraq to even concentrate on the important things. Way to go republicans...screw up again, and again, and again, and again...

STFU. You sheeptards get old.

Is that all you got?

What is a sheeptard? Is that some farm country insult? Perhaps somebody who is so stupid that they cheat on their sheep?

Oh and telling someone to STFU is tantamount to admitting that you cannot argue with their ideas and must silence them so that you don't have to actually think.

Maybe you were trying in your own charming way to call him a pacifist...which I did not get from his post.

Nah...I think that is just all you got.

Why are we in Iraq?

Ohyes... The vote was overwhelmingly nonpartisan and practically unanimous.

Why are we still there?

Ohyes, the democrats have seen fit to push asinine spending bill after asinine spending bill (that no sane president would ever allow to pass) while simultaneously running a smear campaign, while also attaching riders and attempts to usurp Executive Powers (withdrawal demands) to military funding bills, thus effectively bankrupting any efforts to put an end to this.

Way to go Pelosi. Way to go Reid. If you can't beat 'em, bring 'em to a screaming halt.

Anyone with a brain knows we're not going to accept a 400 billion spending increase. ...and yet they go ahead and push this crap in an effort to stymie the government, the economy, and the war. Truer patriots I've never seen.

//sarcasm

Nope, he's just cliché as hell. One of many in the herd these days that responds exactly like he did. It gets so damn old. Frankly, your response was about the same. When he's done with the sock, maybe he will toss it to you.

"Is that all you got?" - Please, no... your intellect is overpowering! We're all wilting. Ho hum.

Interesting how you judge someone as a herd follower when all we see from you is lame insults. I believe that is a good example of irony, with a little hypocrisy thrown in for good measure.

I am afraid I am a bit too naive to understand your sock comment. Perhaps you are well versed in other uses for that sort of clothing, but I am not...they go on your feet as far as i am concerned.

Dishing out thoughtless insults demonstrates no conscious thought...a parrot can do that. If you have a disagreement with the other poster perhaps you should try addressing it instead of denigrating him with no reason. I tried to do that by referring to a possible reason you were attacking in such a way, but I fear that I am paralyzed by your wit and cannot effectivey hold my thoughts together.

And for a further bit of irony, it is not meet for a juvenile (which is clearly what you sound like) to complain about anything "getting old". If you are bored, do your homework, if you are out of school, go back because they did not teach you how to think.

Score.

You aren't by chance British by descent or birth, are you?

No not British, lived in Scottland briefly, and Guam, and various other spots.

I have been reading more literature, some by British authors as I teach my children lit and grammar so perhaps I have unconsciously lifted some speech patterns but I was born in California. Genetically, the most coherent single influence is Native American, followed by a melange of post immigration European genes. Not the sort of pedigree that keeps you up at night by the phone waiting for that distantly related Duke to kick the bucket and leave you his estate.

Oh...my...god...

I love how your first paragraph drools on and on about lame insults, then you spill your lame insult bucket all over your next three. Good stuff man.

I don't think anyone really wants a war with China. At least no one that I know of.

If there were to be an armed confict any time in the near future, I would predict it would involve Taiwan. The question would be how much fortitude would the US have in its support for Taiwan if China decides they really want it.

Having sat in the straights of Taiwan during missle firing exercises that raised tension in the 90's I had occasion to analyse the balance of power. If China wants Taiwan bad enough to absorb grievous losses, they can take it. The defense of Taiwan is designed well to protect from strategic strongarming, but not as much for an all out mass assault by a large opponent willing to accept big losses. China can absorb huge casualties if they want to, both from a military and a public opinion point of view. Their total control of the their press means that there would not be a public opinion issue for them no matter what they do. Their huge resources and proximity to the likely battlefield mean that they would be at a very large advantage that would tend to outweigh the defender's intrinsic strategic advantage.

Their military plans for the US most likely involve giving the US enough things to worry about that they are unable or unwilling to intervene decisively in time to affect the outcome of any invasion. There are several ways of doing this and cyberwar is one. It would be less provacative than bombing US cities or facilities and could be just as effective in sowing dissarray without bringing the US back down on them by opening up a huge can of whoop-ass (Taliban can attest to what it feels like to be on the recieving end of this).

So I wholeheartedly agree that China is preparing for Cyber war against the US. In addition to desiring to have our technology for themselves, they consider us an aversary due to our support for an independent Taiwan and our publicly stated policy of mutual defense. But they are not planning to annex California any time soon...unfortunately (there are some days I think it would be better if they did).

"Having sat in the straights of Taiwan ..."

Straits. :p (I'm sure some "web expert" has already pronounced it permissible to use either form, but....)

/nit-pick

No actually I did not know either was permissible, I just used the wrong one. I really must raise the standards of my grammar if I continue to act the pedant I pretend to be.

To append my point, I think that the greatest threat is the proliferation of junk products that are made in China. We are being buried in lead laced trash and useless frivolities that last until about the third time you use them. I find it hard to walk through the doors of ChinaMart and still feel good about myself. I would much rather pay more and get a quality products made by US workers but lacking a convenient place to get them end up following the flow like a lemming over the cliff. I recently looked at my children's toys and fully 90% of them were made in China...some of those were on recall lists for lead paint...and here I thought their problems were due to the faulty gene's they got from their parents. Who knew...

The "junk" product bit is already changing.

It wasn't long ago that reports were coming in of companies in China not only producing clones of American products, but of American Companies, including support and supply-chain. Many of the products released lately have actually been improvements on the original design.

Google the Meizu Mini-One when you get a chance. El Dingo will call it an iPod clone. Others will see it for what it is, what the iPod should have been (minus the multitouch zoom).

We're eventually going to have to face the fact that we as Americans have, for the most part, lost our competitive edge in innovation. We've realized, much to our detriment, that it is much easier to manage, acquire, and trade than to think, create, and innovate.

It much easier to blame those who make our products, than to blame ourselves for not taking the responsibility upon ourselves.

Good points there, the Chinese have never been stupid. They do imitate, but they can and have produced some great products.

The junk I am referring to is a big issue for 2 reasons though. The extremely low cost of labor is one. They can produce cheaply made products for pennies and so they can sell something that is poorly made simply because it is so cheap no one cares.

The second reason is that the Chinese government subsidizes their export producers to help them be more competitive both directly and by keeping their currency artificially low they produce an environment that further enhances their edge...hence a Tsunami of "Junk".

They also have little respect for intellectual property law. Huawei is one example. This started out as a direct cisco clone. You could actually find Cisco comments in their operating code early on. Now they have their own products (especially with 3com's help) and are innovating a bit but the whole notion of it being ok to swipe someones tech and sell it as your own is just fine by many Chinese.

Add to this the lack of a clear line between corporate and government ownership of companies and you have a mixture for a trade-war.

Look at it from their point of view: Entry to a market they have no foot in: Decades, many of them.

Entry into a market they can instantly compete in: Years, if even that.

Their IP laws are changing as we speak. They're maturing a bit as far as business goes and I'd say within the next decade or two will likely be as adamant about IP (product, not art) as we were "back in the day".

Not saying it was the right way to go about it, but if it gives them a jumpstart on their economy and allows them to catch up to the rest of the world a little faster, I'm honestly not going to be shedding any tears over it. One major business or two doesn't mean squat compared to the health and standard of living for an entire nation. (My ideals take a break for reality here, I understand. They'll be back shortly, I 'm sure...)

The Chinese probably bought Carnivore and Echelon at some U.S. government suplus auction...for pennies on the dollar...and that's how they're doing it.

This is all due to the New World Order types and Global Economy pushers. They don't give a sh*t about you or America, which is slowly turning into a 3rd world sh*thole from all the mass importation of mud people. Every white nation on the planet is purposely being destroyed by bringing in 3rd world scum all in the name of multiculturalism and diversity. It's the new communism..

Assuming that you are not being tongue in cheek (that would probably be more elequent so I will go with the serious response), you reveal that you don't subscribe to the founding father's statement that "All men are created equal...".

Further your wild assertion that there is some conspiracy by the world against "white" nations is not very credible. I say this because most of the damage that is being done to our nation has willing accomplices and even organizers within our own country. The whole global warming thing for one (try doing some research...start with global cooling scare). The importation of international law to the US courts, the world court, the UN...need I go on, the failure of our leaders to enforce our own immigration laws...All of these things are attacks on US sovereignty in one form or another.

We don't need your nutty conspiracy theories, we can do quite well enough screwing our nation over on our own.

Your post sounds more like hate speech than an honest objection to policy, and so undermines your point as you make it. Mud people sounds more like a racial slur and there is no place in any civilized discourse for racial slurs. And any person that labels another group of people scum is one step away from feeling that the world would be a better place if they were all killed. We know what to call those who advocate ethnic cleansing.

The Chinese are a pain; most of the internet attacks on my pc correspond to an IP address from mainland China. Thanks to the Kaspersky
program, my pc has been spared.

It would for wise for the US to be cautious about investing there.

Of course the fact there is a billion of them means nothing?

An incredible amount of spam, trojans, crap, etc, comes from the US too.

Agreed can you say nationalism!

Wrongs.

It originates in places like Nigeria. You are again mistaking the distributor for the source. While the majority of infected (and thus actively sending malware) machine reside in the US, the actual dirty-work is generally done elsewhere.

Sick the RIAA on them. That'll slow 'em down. Conservative judges have all but killed commerce in amerika.

"a cyber attack could, in fact, be in the magnitude of a weapon of mass destruction," said General James E. Cartwright, Commander of US Strategic Command (STRATCOM)

In other words General Cartwright is saying the US has contingency plans to, could, and probably would nuke China in retaliation. Not a very good outcome for anyone.

In this situation being a "country of 300 million (mostly fat) people" would be totally Irrelevant. just for DennyCraneBl's info.

Well the millions of Chinese people outside of China who would escape another US microwaving would probably take the fight to you people in America.

There are a billion chinese and another billion indian people in their respective countries, I think you need to get over the fact you're stay as world power will not last for ever ... as alluded to in your post I wouldn't be suprised your jingoistic leaders went nuclear to preserve it.

The reason an empire falls is generally because a bigger one comes along ... the "rising and falling empire" fighting each other does neither good. Flash back to when Britain was the world power and Germany was a rising power, the two fought each other and both lost their place in the world ... if America and China go at it, they'll probably both loose any chance at being/staying world power.

Ha ha double-ha.

The world is NOT what it was before WMD were invented. There's no way the US will hold-back on any of our vast array of nuclear and biological WMD if the Chinese or you Europeans (apparently) cross the line. We WILL eradicate millions of people around the world if we have to. Just TRY to cross the line and you will see that the American super-power is here to stay for at least a 100 years... Maybe future generations will feel "sorry" for the billion who died in WW3 and will become more communist/socialist in their thinking, or even "vow" to self-sacrifice for the sake of humanity (such as Japan who turned from fanatic-suicidal to Pacifist-suicide after Hiroshima-Nagasaki) but frankly the bottom line is better be "wrong" and "say sorry" in 100 years, then let anyone today ATTEMPT to take over as superpower.

And yes, I'm fully aware the Chinese have WMD themselves. Before they get to cause any "empire-s***ing" damage, they'll all be ERADICATED off the face of the planet if they don't surrender quickly just like Japan did...

There were plans to drop at least 10 new nuclear bombs on Japan in WW2... So take that and take the "regret" feelings of modern day oh-so-sensitive-Americans into consideration. The US will absolutely most definitely win WW3, and there will be no countries spared the conflict. EU will have to help the US or the EU will become an enemy. This is simply because as you stated, if you are not with me, tomorrow you will be my master...

The US has enough power to win a world war against the entire fukcing world. There's no way in hell any European country will be so stupid as to make a mistake A THIRD TIME (WW1..WW2..WW3?) and bet the house on the wrong horse. What country with no WMD is gonna say NO to the US? You must be delusional.

No one can win a nuclear war, even if only one side uses them. What happened at Chernobyl proved this fact and that wasn't even a nuclear explosion, but akin to a dirty bomb.

Its been over 60 years since Japan and they didn't know actually what they had either. The USA wouldn't survive economically nor politically if they ever use them again. It would be suicide.

As I had said below. The USA isn't as powerful as you have been lead to believe anymore. Look, they can't even liberate a country that started to not be a threat in the first. They just made it worse.

BTW, much of the hardware made for your defense is being outsourced as well to other countries. Some of which are questionable as to their loyalty to America.

The USA will most definitely use WMD in WW3. This is why we keep INVENTING and IMPROVING existing WMD because WE KNOW we'll need to use them one day. The cold war is over, and China is relatively weak when it comes to WMD.

There's no difference between civilian and soldiers in a world war. Absolutely every single dirty trick is allowable because the stakes are very very high. It's not just one nation's freedom at stake, but that of entire humanity.

Than it is lost before it is even started with an attitude like that. Like I had said, you can't win at all and will most likely be destroyed in the process while the rest of the world moves on. BTW, most of your hardware for defense is also made by the lowest bidder. If you think that lead paint in your toys and toxic substances in your food is a problem...... America is mostly a paper eagle now. You've been lied to. It is almost like the USSR was before the end when they went bankrupt. Its just taking America a little longer.

Again, anything imported can be done internally. It's just a matter of price. Defense systems by definition cannot have trojan horses in them, hence it doesn't matter who makes them. Just like slaves 300 years ago couldn't trojan-horse their master's profits. If they tried, they got killed.

And just like the US lived without slaves (although the prosperty sharply declined) and kept looking for new type of "more moral" slaves..in other countries...the US can always give up some "quality of life" and rid itself of 3rd party strings-attached.

What kind of sicko is waiting for the opportunity to microwave millions of people? And for what?

Unless somebody invades the US, what do you care?

The irony is you sound a lot like a terrorist ... no difference between civilian and soldiers, isn't that why you went into Iraq &* Afghanistan because the terrorists there thought it OK to kill as many civilians as possible.

Again, you are deluding yourself. America has had it way too easy for way too long. In the past they knew what hard work was. It is no longer that way in America. Plus, there is the fact of recent American foreign policy that is coming to bite you back. The world is a much different place than it was. Your days are number and you did it all to yourselves. You have no one else to blame.

BTW, they don't need to have a trojan horse. Their crappy quality will take care of that. After all, they were never actually meant to be used in the first place.

He sounds more like the classic "Ugly American" stereotype than anything else. He just doesn't realize just how much bad shape America actually is in. Most of them don't. They accept the lies they are being told. A popular myth will always outweigh an unpopular truth.

"Ugly American is an epithet used to refer to perceptions of arrogant, demeaning, thoughtless behaviors of Americans at home or abroad. The term originated as the title of a 1958 book by authors William Lederer and Eugene Burd***, The Ugly American. The film adaptation of the novel came out in 1963, directed by George Englund and starring Marlon Brando. Englund was nominated for a Golden Globe award as director of the film."

Go peddle your terrorist propaganda somewhere else will you?

America is only 200 years old, jerk. We haven't even started you moron, and we've achieved far more than anyone else in a comparable time span. Why don't you take your trash talk elsewhere, preferably to a far corner of hell, where you belong.

Irrelevant. Yet another Ugly American who crawled out from under his rock. I find that the ones who hate America the most are those, like you. You're your own worse enemy.

The American Empire is burning out quickly.

That answer is irrelevant, since I in no way stated or implied anything of that nature.

How you could come to that conclusion is bizarre to say the least.

I have dealt with others of your persuasion before, they generally tend to be lunatic fringe Christians with a bent for self abuse...I for one would find it more palatable listening to plain old racists and KKK members, at least they seem to have a semi-relevant belief system.
As for the article that we are responding to...so what if the Chinese are using the internet as a weapon, the answer is to not allow anything sensitive on-line.

This is funny...

You speaking of America's supposed inability to win a war from your Ivory Tower in Canada. Tell me, from what experience can you claim to know anything about military prowess?

Winning a War is disingenuous of what's actually going on here. We're not trying to take over the Country, which would have taken 2 months, tops. We're trying to stabilize a region that has been unstable for CENTURIES.

Catch that?

CENTURIES.

Now please, tell me that it should be a cake-walk to get these groups to play nicely together. Really. I want to see the true extent of your niavete.

Jealous much?

You vilify the US with such vigor and emotional rhetoric one is forced to realize that you are either consumed by envy or running for the Democratic Presidential Nomination. ;)

Actually, if you have study history, an empire falls not because another bigger one comes, it's because the empire accumulates too much debt.

lmao...

Hillary would love this one.

He sounds more like the classic "Ugly American" stereotype

Yeah, like you don't come across as the elitist foreigner at *all*...

Good google on the wikipedia entry for "Ugly American" though. That must have taken a whopping 3 seconds.

These Chinese don't really want a war with the US now do they... If the US has to, it'll eradicate China and take over both Asia and Europe... I somehow doubt Russia/India/Pakistan will wanna join China at this point in the game.

In other words, don't cross the line, China. Or we'll hurt you back through some third party also.. Lotsa crazy groups who'd love to take a little cash and terrorize "liberate" China.

Yes I'm sure the country of 300 million (mostly fat) people will be ready to take on 1 billion Chinese people in China and millions around the globe who'd step up to its defense ( you know like the muslims did when you took good 'ole freedom to the eyeRaqis ) ... then Europe or Asia ... your egos know no bounds do they?

Long live FreedomLand (TM).

The USA isn't actually the power it once was. Its been sold out wholesale. All that has to be done to defeat it is to foreclose. It turns out America's greatest enemy was corporate America.

Yeah right. We can stop all imports from China RIGHT NOW and live probably even better in the long run. Sure, your spoiled kids will get less toys, and they'll cost more, as well as everything in Walmart, but it's not gonna REALLY change your life. You'll probably eat less and work harder, which remarkably can make you more fit for physical fight as well. ;)

Hardly. America now imports far more food than it can produce for itself. You just don't realize the extent that corporate America has sold you out. And it is not just to China either. America is a purely consumer society that produces very little of its own anymore.

The US is totally self-sufficient. There's more than enough food/farmland to keep all Americans on a 2000 calorie diet for eternity. I have no idea how you can even think otherwise. Corporate America is at most going to be responsible for me living in a bigger house, driving a newer car, and earning X amount of money working Y hours a week. It has absolutely no bearing over whether I will EXIST or not...

People lived through the great depression and many economical recesses. Humans are very strong when it comes to survival. They WILL adapt.

You've been lied to and you are deluding yourself as well. I feel sorry for you. Corporate America has sold you out. Your system is failing and a growing number of Americans are being left behind. The average wage is also on the decline. It is estimated that this generation is the first to have a lower standard of living than the last one in American history. In matters of quality of life America ranks at or near the bottom in the Western world. That includes education and lifespan.

The people may survive, but the country won't. It is much different than during the Great Depression with different circumstances as well. The culture is not the same as well.

...and what great nation do you belong to, genius?

Canada, you retard. You know, that rather large country to the north of you.....

oh that explains a lot...
You have my condolences. I'm sorry I ripped into you now.

The US is not self-sufficient you clueless ass. It relies on bloody oil from the middle east, what do you think cars run on? Farts? Read the feking news, everytime the crude goes up per barrel your economy shakes.

And stop your crap about taking over Europe and Asia etc. How do you propose to do that? With nukes?? If you nuke that many places Earth will become inhabitable you stupid twat. Yes, Earth includes your bloody home.

Perhaps you've been watching a little too much "Nightline"?

While China (for example) has a faster growing economy, the US economy still far outpaces any other in terms of actual dollars. We are still by far, the largest economy in the world.

You imply, with your "foreclose" comment, that the eradication of the world's leading economy would have no impact on the rest of the world.

The collapse of the US economy (which it is in no threat of, regardless of what you may have been told) would have resounding negative impacts on every other economy on this planet, sending markets across the globe into tailspin.

I know it's "cool" to bash the US nowadays, hell, even if you live there, but at least try to be somewhat realistic, eh?

Unemployment? Lowest it's been in 10 years.

Inflation? Lowest it's been in ~8 years.

The amount of folks in poverty? The ONLY reason it is growing is because they keep raising the poverty levels (up over 30% in the last 10 years as opposed to inflation, which has only gone up a fraction of that) to support the left's "need" for more social welfare.

Stop watching the news and try looking at the actual numbers for a change.

I bet you believe Bush hates little children (The S chip BS) too, eh?

It would take 2 months to access the oil that we're currently sitting on, under our own soil, to replace the entire supply we get from the Middle east.

You can thank the Sierra Club for our "Oil Dependency".

"If you nuke that many places Earth will become inhabitable you stupid twat."

Technically incorrect. Last I checked, Japan was inhabited.

....otherwise known as America's Hat. :)

You think that they wouldn't have to since, after all, they make most of it already.

That's the first logical, non-inflammatory comment I've seen posted on this article. Well done and very good point.