RSSRise of complaints follows Apple Mac OS X 10.5.6 update
By Scott M. Fulton, III | Published December 16, 2008, 11:02 AM
An unusual spike in comments posted to Apple's support forums since yesterday afternoon points to the possibility of certain problems in particular with the company's latest rollup to the Mac operating system.
The blue screen has typically been the unofficial Windows logo, at least in and around Macintosh circles. But this morning, users of Mac OS X have been reporting a number of problems, most of which fall into the same category, and some of which are leaving users' computers booting up with nothing on their screens but a field of blue.
"my mac pro has startup issues since update: after login i can only see a blue screen," reads one complaint posted to Apple's support forum early this morning.
Many of the problems reported since yesterday appear to be with the software updater version of the rollup package. Users who updated their systems with the stand-alone version of 10.5.6 are reporting few or zero problems upon reboot. Yesterday afternoon, one business reported a simultaneous hang in all seven of its Macs, using the software updater. Folks trying to help him out suggested that he may have installed too much third-party software on his system, with the result being that the automatic installer might not be able to adequately interpret changes that software may have made.
The problem could come down to an inability of the software updater to reconcile disk permissions, which is the Mac's way of determining which applications have permission to use certain resources, by means of an audit trail. Apps that have been installed using package files, especially those made by Apple itself, leave bill-of-materials files (.BOM) on the system. These files can later be used in a reconciliation process by means of the Disk Permissions utility, which can restore permissions to their proper state.
But that's assuming software uses the package installation process, and many third-party apps don't. As a result, they could load startup drivers into memory whose resources could conceivably be locked out once the software updater (theoretically) overwrites those custom permissions with system defaults.
Ironically, this could lead to troubles with Apple software anyway, including most notably Time Machine, the company's innovative system restoration feature. Many users since yesterday have been reporting permissions failures in that program, which appear on the screen with messages like this: "You don't have permissions to back up file x in Time Machine 1." Also, users who had their USB devices chained with third-party tools in a lower order, and Apple devices (such as the keyboard) higher-up, are receiving low-power warnings, which could be linked to permissions for USB device drivers. Some have been able to rectify these problems by swapping out the order of these devices.
One individual who faced the entire problem down and successfully worked around it, reported his travails this way: "I noticed Software Update was downloading a 190 MB update. I tried installing the update normally on both machines. I encountered the hang. Forced reboot (hold power button) and tried downloading the update and installing it. Same problem. Force quit installer. Went to Apple's support page and downloaded the 10.5.6 Update (not the combo) which was 372 MB (not 190) and it worked just fine on both systems. Apple needs to fix the 190 MB package they have on Software Update."
Apple users don't deal with stuff like this every single day:
http://tinyurl.com/5oo39u
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|Never, ever had an issue with an Apple software update. Really.
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|Well done, Apple - more like Windows every day ;->
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|I've found from previous experience that running the Repair Disk Permissions feature within Disk Utility JUST BEFORE installing system updates prevents post-update complications. I used the 190-Mb Software Update on both a new Intel iMac and an old PPC iBook G4 without aftereffects after running the Repair Disk Permissions feature. Not sure why file/folder permissions get so improper in the first place but there're usually a slew of repair changes to be done. It also saves time to skip the Verify Disk Permissions feature and to just run the Repair Disk Permissions since one always ends up doing the latter anyway.
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|WOW nice to see something new from CrApple, despite locking their ignorant users with their hardware...but maybe this has nothing to do with their hardware...
Guys (Crap users) don't forget to enjoy Snow Leopard on your PowerPc based Mac :P that's when the fun will begin.
Am enjoying Windows 7 6956 on Intel Core i7 but fortunately Macs don't have such a powerful processor LOL
Damn I hate CrApple :)
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|I tried via Software Update. The system hung and did not appear to be downloading anything. I finally had to hold the power button long enough for a shutdown. Restarted and again ran Software Update and the update finished successfully. On reboot, I too saw a blue screen but the system was still configuring itself at that point. Soon, my own desktop appeared and I am having no problems.
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|Used Softeware Update for three Macs without problems. A two year old MacBook Pro, and a 1.5 yr old MacPro both got the 190 Mb package. A one month old MacBook got the (I think) 377 Mb package. In any case, none have shown ill effects. I can't understand what people do to their machines to create all these issues.
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|"I can't understand what people do to their machines to create all these issues."
That's the same question I'm asking. Notice how it's the same people always complaining? They gum up their systems but it's Apple fault? O_o
One year with Leopard and only minor Airport issues and no problems whatsoever with updates of any kind.
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|What these same cry babies Won't tell you is all of the system modifications and hacks they've made to their systems which often have an adverse impact when receiving a major update from Apple such as 10.5.6.
This Apple fanboy has been using Leopard for over a year and I have never had any problems with any update that Apple has released. Of course I also don't crap out my system with silly mods and download software that applies dangerous haxies to the system.
Mac OS X 10.5.6 has worked like a charm for me. One of the noticeable differences is the snappiness of my Mac. I think this is the release that brings Leopard to full maturity comparable to Tiger 10.4.11.
There's no such thing as "luck" in this matter. Having zero problems over the course of a year is not luck. It's how I run and treat my Mac.
All Mac users should consider a tool like Onyx or MacPiolt which keeps your Mac in perfect condition and not install any software that uses dangerous system mods and hacks. Simple. End of story. Have a great day. :)
http://macdailynews.com/...p/weblog/comments/19417/
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|"I think this is the release that brings Leopard to full maturity comparable to Tiger 10.4.11."
Aha! You agree then that Leopard was a step backward from Tiger (until now apparently).
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|>>>What these same cry babies Won't tell you is all of the system modifications and hacks they've made to their systems which often have an adverse impact when receiving a major update from Apple such as 10.5.6
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Remember this the next time you see a Windows user having problems, as they have a virtually infinite amount of hardware configurations and drivers as well as millions of applications that modify crap or try to modify crap.
Just tell them they are cry babies and even if it is a MS update, it is the user's fault because they are installing system modifications.
If a MS update caused this widespread level of problems to 'average' users, the world would take pitch forks to their offices.
When Apple does it, the fanbois blame the users.
Either...
A) OS X shouldn't allow users to make these claimed 'modifications' like MS's DLL and application virtualization technologies in XP and Vista do...
Or...
B) Apple should be able to compensate for virtually anything the user does to the system and any crap piece of software installed by the user like Microsoft has to do.
PERIOD.
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|EPIC FAIL
Sorry but you're comparing apples and onions again. You speak as if Microsoft updates don't cause problems to average users as well. That is laughable at best. Like Apple, Microsoft does not support hacks and mods to their OS either.
However, in all fairness most average Windows users are too stupid to modify or hack their systems anyway so the complaints are fewer.
Fact of the matter is, only a small minority are complaining. Most are quite satisfied as I am. Cheers. :)
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|Nice try but no soup for you. Leopard offers much more features and improvements over Tiger. Maybe in your troll world, comparing the stability of Mac OS X 10.5.5 to 10.4.11 is a fair comparison. Obviously one is more mature than the other and has been developed longer.
But stating the obvious I see is necessary for you.
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|HOLY GOD, your ignorant views are simply amazing.
Had you bothered to learn how to read. He stated IF MS released an update that caused problems people would have a fit but Apple screws something up and you blame the user.
Fact is all companies have released an update that messed up programs or caused issues, its just the way it is. Its impossible to test every single program and device
The reason only a small minority is complaining because THEY ARE A SMALL MINORITY.
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|Updated without any problems, but didn't notice any positive changes. Maybe its been a while since you restarted?
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|Anthony, well-said.
From now on, whenever I eff something up, I am going to blame third-party software.
The fanbois are enough to send me back to PC.
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|Leopard was a bit sluggish after installing 10.5.6 but after using Onyx and one additional reboot, everything is quite snappy! Wow I just love my Mac. :)
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|Perhaps you would like to offer sources for these supposed reasons for all of these cry babies' issues?
Apple botched an update, plain and simple. It's not entirely inconceivable for Apple to have let something like this slip through the cracks. Perhaps it was uploading while they were all gathered around each other sniffing their own farts while they decided whose Prius they were going to carpool in to go to Starbucks...
"...been using Leopard for over a year and I have never had any problems"
Of course, we'll have to take you at your word when you say that. We have no reason not to believe you, and it's great that it's worked so well for you so far.
For all those who have expressed severe discontent with the problems of Mac OS X (and there have been quite a few for such a "perfect" OS), they're all smoking crack... because you have never had any problems with it.
And yet on the flip side, for all those who claim that they've never had any issues with Windows Vista whatsoever (like myself), and laud the performance, reliability, and security improvements over previous versions, they're simply delusional, right?
I love the double standard...
For some of the same reasons you've mentioned, Vista works like a charm for me. Mac OS X Leopard works like a charm for you. Ain't choice wonderful? :)
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|PLEASE...Don't even bother arguing, he. is. a TOOL
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|Hey!
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|Same here. I have been using Vista Ultimate x64 sp1 and it rocks. Not even a single problem till now. And Windows 7 6956 is much better, faster and slicker than Vista
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|6956. Zoom.
Only had it on the system for a few days now, but looking good so far.
Still think MSFT needs to implement an "instant" search if the only drives you have are local/NTFS. (re: Everything)
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|I had the same problem and appreciate this detailed report. I will be wary in the future of non-manual updates. Thanks for this service.
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|The dread blue screen occurred on my last two out of three startups BEFORE installing the update.
I run Leopard on a G5 PowerPC
I'm hoping the update cures the problem.
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|"I'm a PC, and I'm a Mac!"... two faces of the same card!!!... When Apple went to Intel chips for their CPU format... all dreams of buying a Mac to use for my digital studio work went right out the window!.. All I could say was, "There goes the neighborhood!". And sure enough, da 'hood gone down da toilet!.. So though I have an old eMac, I won't be upgrading anytime in the foreseeable future. Alas poor Mac, I knew him well, Haratio!
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|Bur the heretic!!! [smiles]
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|Who's this Haratio you speak of? Horatio's hippy twin?
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|no, his Japanese cousin! HA!
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|>>When Apple went to Intel chips for their CPU format... all dreams of buying a Mac to use for my digital studio work went right out the window!..
Hate to break this to you, but PowerPC users are reporting the same problems.
This is about Apple and OS X, not the hardware platform.
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|Fine here too. BetaNews loves the Apple-bashing talk and spark the ol' Windows vs. Mac war on their site.
BetaNews You s**k.
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|Yeah. How dare they say anything against the perfect LORD!!!!!!
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|Sacrilege!!!! [smiles]
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|Working Fine Here
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|Both my mac's wouldn't turn off with the energy saver with the download update.
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|Only problem I had on my IMac was no printers after the update. Had to go back to the installation CD, install options for printers, go to mfg. website for new drivers, install, restart, and watch three blue screens come and go over a period of some five minutes. Whole process only took two hours out of a busy morning.
Maybe we need to not have the ability to dumb down to Microsoft built into our machines. mm
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|No problem on my powermac quad. And, RememberMe, you're an idiot.
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|Oh my god...I am flabergasted by the sheer number of computer illiterates still out there.
People, Apple is just a marketing company and that's all.
I am truly amazed that people buy these obsolete buggy iGarbage from apple...Hats off to their marketing department for conning and brainwashing so many idiots out there...But, I bought an HP iPaq for a couple of hundred dollars - it came with a phone, full featured GPS with voice directions, and oh yea a full Windows Mobile OS long before Crapple's iPhone ever existed.
And why would anyone pay over $3000 for a crippled, obsolete-out-of the box Apple Mac OS X computer? I bought an HP pavillion laptop, fully loaded, with DVD/Blue Ray, Super Hi-res wide screen, 2 Gig RAM, HD Tuner, built-in web cam etc. etc. etc. for under $1000
And Apple Mac OS X is based on FreeBSD, an open-source Unix look-alike, available FREE for the PC back in 1992, with a artsy-fartsy GUI. Whoopy Doo..
It is too expensive, too buggy, and the only software available is a bunch of dinky puzzles written by 14 year olds. No engineering or scientific applications available for "Mac OS X"...
Apple has a long history of fraud, racism and corruption...Steve Jobs and Nancy Heinen (and her shyster subordinates) are both knowing criminal participants in the stock options scam, and were caught trying to cover it up.
They were caught red-handed in early 2006 when a former employee who was cheated out of all of his stock after being wrongfully dismissed, filed a lawsuit against Apple Con-puter.
In short, dont waste your time and money on apple...
PS: If Apple was supposed to be "invulnerable" to viruses, why are there so many security fixes being passed around? Even with all of Apple's virus and spyware vulnerabilities...which i'Tard would target a virus against an con-puter "OS" used by 2% of people out there?
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|Cutting and pasting the same comments you made this morning doesn't make them any more relevant.
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|They (CrApple) use Norton on their systems but tell the end users that it's immune to viruses. And recently they removed a post in which they had recommended users to install Anti-virus because they got complaints from users. And saying Macs don't need anti-virus is like saying Mac OS X is security hole free. And that's a foolish statement :P
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|No problems here with Software Update (190 MB version) on my 24-inch C2D iMac or my iBook G4. Hopefully those experiencing issues waited for the now customary double re-boot :)?
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|Ohhh Im waiting to see internetboy's responce.
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|He's completely switched gears and is now posting as "RememberMe".
Apparently, ya gotta switch up the stupidity once in a while.
Folks, all complex software will have issues. The more variables you expose it to (Hardware, software) the more problems you will have.
It really is as simple as that.
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|Gee, you're no fun...especially resorting to logic...
You'll have just about everyone confused now!
;-)
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|Yep, I agree with you on that one.
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|Yesterday I started updating my Macs in the UK and Software Update only finds a 372MB package, not a 190MB one. Very interesting that, and both my macs are running a treat.
Could there have been a 'duff' package addressed by people in certain places? Friends in the US were downloading a different size of package...
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|Perhaps running permissions repair before doing the update might help prevent the problem.
I run permissions repair weekly as preventive maintenance and rarely have such problems. I am sometimes surprised at what problems it finds as some product that do automatic updates do it without the using being aware of it and land up corrupting permissions in the process.
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|"M$ updates fix problems and Apple updates causes problems."
...should read: It takes Multiple MS fixes to attempt to fix fundamental problems where the Apple created aggravations will be shortly resolved...as we wait for the next round of MS fixes to again attempt to fix the fundamental design problems what the last ones failed to completely resolve...
Bottomline, like them or hate them, OSX has a MUCH higher customer sat than Windows.
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|"Bottomline, like them or hate them, OSX has a MUCH higher customer sat than Windows. "
Really? So I guess that means you have some proof to show us? You wouldn't assume would you? You know what happens when you assume!
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|Von K, I am glad you admit you are an Artist and not a technical person. But, you must be stuck in the late 1980’s and early 90’s.
Years ago, Adobe ported all of its Graphics and Media editing applicaitons like Photoshop, Flash, video editing to Windows. The windows versions started identical to the Mac versions and now they’re eons more advanced.
I switched from Mac to Windows XP in early 2002 and it is the best decision I ever made. The fraudulent apple claims about “viruses” and “spyware” only apply to computer illiterates that go to pornsites and download software.
Now I have access to the most advanced scientific and engineering design software ever created. None of which will ever get ported to crApple’s Mac OS X because of its limited user base (2%) and unstable and buggy application layers that were developed by apple on top of BSD.
I always get a kick out of the fact that Apple’s “top engineers’ were trying to tell me that there is no BSD core in mac os x…morons from their defunct Graphics and Colorsync departments.. oh dear.
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|Sure we know - as we have you in evidence for all to view - and laugh.
Start here nitwit
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-10019711-37.html
and then google OSX versus Windows customer sat and stand back...
oh...ah...gee...um...
dumb@ss
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|You are the last person I'd expect to judge a OS based on Customer perceptions....
...or even to suggest such a thing.
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|Wow, did this touch a core? Pun intended.
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|Updated last night and had zero problems. Used software updater over an EVDO card so it took forever and could have had corrupt data... but no, it just worked.
Then I went home and tried to get in my wifi and horrors! No internet! Panic! Then I realized my DSL modem needed to be reset, that was all. Had nothing to do with Apple. haha
So yes, the update worked.
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|M$ updates fix problems and Apple updates causes problems. LOL
Is it me, or is Apple's software quality going down as their market share increases!
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|I had hanging problems on my two computers using the Software Update but when using the Apple website, everything worked quickly.
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|I have no problems at all.
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|LOL Aren't I lucky? I didn't have any issues at all. :p
I do feel bad for those who are though :(.
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|My problem is with the security update for system 10.4.11. My IMac G5 runs like molasses after the update. Plus, I have to double-click on anything I want to do instead of single-click. What a mess! Same problems on a G4 E-Mac running 10.4.11.
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|As a once fulltime PC user converting to Mac - I find it amazing that people still buy into the ballyhoo about OSX being better. Buggy updates, exposure to virus', missing (or incomplete features)- Apple might very well find itself the blunt of "I am a... (you fill in the expletive" jokes.
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|It all comes down to personal preference, then. I'll stick with those buggy updates, viruses and missing features that I've never, ever experienced.
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|I haven't had a moment of trouble since updating. And some my fundamental files are modified.
Also, to fix permissions, use IceClean:
http://www.we-rate-stuff.../iceclean-mac-only.html
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|On 2.4 Ghz MacBook pro, network not connecting to Airport Express after Resume. Need to stop/restart wireless a few times to get it going...
Will try suggestion above: "Went to Apple's support page and downloaded the 10.5.6 Update (not the combo) which was 372 MB (not 190) and it worked just fine on both systems. Apple needs to fix the 190 MB package they have on Software Update."
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|Oh my god...I am flabergasted by the sheer number of computer illiterates still out there.
People, Apple is just a marketing company and that's all.
I am truly amazed that people buy these obsolete buggy iGarbage from apple...Hats off to their marketing department for conning and brainwashing so many idiots out there...But, I bought an HP iPaq for a couple of hundred dollars - it came with a phone, full featured GPS with voice directions, and oh yea a full Windows Mobile OS long before Crapple's iPhone ever existed.
And why would anyone pay over $3000 for a crippled, obsolete-out-of the box Apple Mac OS X computer? I bought an HP pavillion laptop, fully loaded, with DVD/Blue Ray, Super Hi-res wide screen, 2 Gig RAM, HD Tuner, built-in web cam etc. etc. etc. for under $1000
And Apple Mac OS X is based on FreeBSD, an open-source Unix look-alike, available FREE for the PC back in 1992, with a artsy-fartsy GUI. Whoopy Doo..
It is too expensive, too buggy, and the only software available is a bunch of dinky puzzles written by 14 year olds. No engineering or scientific applications available for "Mac OS X"...
Apple has a long history of fraud, racism and corruption...Steve Jobs and Nancy Heinen (and her shyster subordinates) are both knowing criminal participants in the stock options scam, and were caught trying to cover it up.
They were caught red-handed in early 2006 when a former employee who was cheated out of all of his stock after being wrongfully dismissed, filed a lawsuit against Apple Con-puter.
In short, dont waste your time and money on apple...
PS: If Apple was supposed to be "invulnerable" to viruses, why are there so many security fixes being passed around? Even with all of Apple's virus and spyware vulnerabilities...which i'Tard would target a virus against an con-puter "OS" used by 2% of people out there?
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|@ remember me?
you must either be a Microsoft employee, or have never used an Apple computer.
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|"And why would anyone pay over $3000 for a crippled, obsolete-out-of the box Apple Mac OS X computer?"
Firstly not MANY Macs hit that price. Secondly desktop Macs get released in early Jan - you know - around about the time of CES - except Apple gets all the press coverage from San Francisco rather than the tired litany of dross coming out of Las Vegas. So if you are going to argue Price / Performance get your arguments in NOW while all the machines are near EOL.
"I bought an HP pavillion laptop, fully loaded, with DVD/Blue Ray, Super Hi-res wide screen, 2 Gig RAM, HD Tuner, built-in web cam etc. etc. etc. for under $1000"
Grats. Enjoy the machine level DRM that has been put in to allow you to have access to those BLU Ray disks you are gonna want to go play.
"It is too expensive, too buggy, and the only software available is a bunch of dinky puzzles written by 14 year olds. No engineering or scientific applications available for "Mac OS X"..."
So wolfram research's Mathmatica is a figment of our imagination is it?
" If Apple was supposed to be "invulnerable" to viruses, why are there so many security fixes being passed around? Even with all of Apple's virus and spyware vulnerabilities...which i'Tard would target a virus against an con-puter "OS" used by 2% of people out there?"
Well put it this way - I have had NO downtime on my machine in 3 years. No Rebuilds, Re-installs no nothing. When was the last time you had to reformat your hard drive?
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|To i'Tard Moron #1: No I am not a "Microsoft employee" or an "Adobe Employee"...remember Microsoft office and Microsoft Explorer and how they barely saved your stupid little Mac OS X from becoming obsolete before it was released in 2001, because no one else wants to write software for Mac OS X (BSD)?
To i'Tard Moron #2: I switched from Mac to Windows XP in early 2002 and couldn't be happier. It is stable as granite, has all the design and EDA software in the world available on it (unlike your obsolete mac) and it runs 5x faster than your mac. I am using Vista now, since it came with the HP laptop I just ordered, but I'd be just as happy with the older Windows XP... You said reformat my hard drive? Why would anyone do that? Do you mac os X users have to reformat your drives?? Oh my god...
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|God you are a moron.
The saving of apple by your beloved microsoft earned microsoft something shy of a Billion Dollars. So damn clever for them. (just after Jobs came back MS "invested in $150,000,000 of shares in Apple" The stock rose and split at least twice since then. MS sold their shares clearing around 850million in profit.
Stop moaning and get back under your stone.
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|Gee... 'hyperbole' much? I think it's your sense of perspective that's crippled...
It's easy to call people "computer illiterates" when you don't have to do it to their face. It's also easy to come across as a complete blowhard. You've managed both.
PS - The IT department I run at a major scientific endeavor begs to differ with the baseless notion you've pulled out of your rear that there are "No engineering or scientific applications" for the platform. It's a POSIX compliant UNIX-like OS, FFS. We run NUMEROUS scientific and engineering applications on these machine... while you listen to yourself talk...
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|On my Windows XP Pro machine I run at home, I've had no downtime or need to reformat my drive in the last 3 years either.
In my opinion both Windows and Mac have advantages and disadvantages over each other so the argument about one being better than the other is a moot point.
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|You have completely contradicted yourself and displayed your obvious lack of intelligence in the following paragraph.
FreeBSD happens to be a leading OS in scientific research and engineering. Go look up how FreeBSD became FreeBSD, and then make that same comment. And by the OS being based on OPEN STANDARDS (gcc, glibc), you are able to run ANYTHING that is in the public domain for scientific research and engineering, and TRUST ME THERE IS ALOT OUT THERE.
I have been using a mac now for quite awhile, and it replaced my old laptop which was running gentoo linux. I can honestly say, I have the best of both worlds now. All the fancy media related stuff, the stability of a true UNIX OS, with all the Open-Source programming languages that I have been writing for YEARS, Perl, PHP, BASH.
So bash on Mac all you want, but based on what I said above, you can pretty much determine that you happen to be just another moron lamer.
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|RememberMe? Simply stated, you are an idiot, "...and the only software available is a bunch of dinky puzzles written by 14 year olds." I do video editing and have used both Adobes Premiere Pro and Apple's Final Cut Pro. The difference between the two is light years away, Apple is a user-friendly, yet extremely professional piece of software, while Adobe's (the PC standard) is a piece of junk that barely works. Much the same way ALL Windows programs are. I have NEVER had any serious problems since switching from PC to Mac almost four years ago. I will never, never, NEVER looke back because, plain and simply, you get what you pay for, Apple's are a tad bit more, and worth it. Considering I have not had to work days to fix bugs in my systems, like I ALWAYS had to do with my PC's. Let's face it people, this is the first "bad Applie" (no pun intended) story that I can think of in YEARS. And you know why, because their hardware and software are quite simply the BEST!!! Don't listen to idiots like RememberMe? because he is an exception, not the norm, and my guess is, has never owned an Apple computer of any sort, in his entire life!!!!
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|why do you have to insult other people because you think your such a BA. your intelligence is less then nothing your just spitting things that make you sound cool (r so you think)
I have vista now and hate it, and will never buy an HP again due to the catastrophic failure I had with it last time.
and do you sit on your computer all day and think about crafty insults for apple products?? wow, you must have some life.
enjoy your loneliness, your gonna be like that a while with that attitude
and don't forget, everything needs updates in order to be protected.
that means in order for apple to stay virus free (for the most part) they have to update. think before you go on a rant next time
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|So your whole argument is that a NON MS program is worse than an Apple program that 95% of people would never even use? ROFL! All I see is a fanboy sputtering childish insults because he knows he is blurting out a bunch of BS that he can't back up with any facts other than "in my experience."
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|Hmm that's funny I don't use my computer for scientific research or engineering. If I ever go into that field I will be sure to pick one up. *wink*
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|I don't ever haft to reformat my hard drive. The only reason some people do is because they install every piece of crap software they come across. I can promise you I could bog down a Mac by doing the same thing.
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|How could Apple let this happen yet AGAIN this year. Steve is still there? Right?
What's going on here? This is the PC world not Mac's. We shouldn't have these problems. I think it's G Bushes fault, he did this just to mess with us. He should be impeached for allowing somehting like this to happen while he's President.
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|Do you actually have an issue with your machine or are you just spouting?
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|Meh. Jobs is probably dead. They're carting out a lookalike each conference so the stockholders don't s*** themselves.
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|I downloaded the 10.5.6 update and it caused a host of problems including numerous Apple applications quitting repeatedly for no apparent reason. I removed the update and have not had any problems since.
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|How do you remove the update?
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|Am terribly impressed with your comment - would you care to explain "I removed the update and have not had any problems since." as that isn't how OSX works in any way shape or form.
You'd have to reinstall OSX from a leopard disk and update to 10.5.5 to achieve what you are saying you did to fix it.
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|Actually, unless things have changed recently; You can "remove" the update by booting as a Firewire target drive on another machine and installing the 10.5.5 combo update. That's the safest/best way to restore back prior to 10.5.6. Alternatively, you could do a TimeMachine restore by booting off your Leo disc, and selecting yesterday's backup as a restore point.
Cheers, AceyTech
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|Am pretty certain that 10.5.5 combo update won't install over a newer version of the OS. Not 100% and am prepared to be wrong about it.
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|2 out of 6 macs suffered the issue... Had to download the combo and install it manually to these machines.
Apple Quality Control is really going down...
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|Works fine for me. No problems on 5 different Macs (iMac, MacPro, MacBook Pro, Mac Book, G5 Tower).
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|I got this. It is not a BSD in the windows sense. I just waited about 3-4 minutes and the system restarted itself. Everything worked fine since.
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|Apple's tech strength is weak, when it gets further away from UNIX, its weakness gets exposed more and more.
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|How are they getting "away from UNIX" ?
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|My problem after doing the Software Update of 10.5.6 was that I couldn't do a Restart - Finder would not quit properly to allow shutdown to proceed. Had to do the Console sudo shutdown -r now command to manually restart which fortunately meant the update was not applied to my system. After restarting and downloading the full install package, the update process went just fine. First time I've ever had a problem with Software Update.
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|M@C Fanboy: "My computer is better because it doesn't blue screen... "
--puts foot in mouth--
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|as someone who has been intimately working on (and occasionally tearing apart and tinkering with) macintosh computers since 1990, i have ceased allowing auto updating.
i recently have run into some OS software issues which obligated me to reinstall from the LEOPARD disk. 5 versions of updates equalled well over 2gbs. these updates are enormous.
do yourself a favour and check for your updates manually. its better to control when 700mb is going to be downloaded to your machine...
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|Help me out here? How do you update manually? And how do you "control" your manual updates -- can they be customized, or are you just referring to manual updating versus autoupdating?
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|Works fine. No problems here.
"Never ask what sort of computer a guy drives. If he's a Mac user, he'll tell you. If not, why embarrass him?" - Tom Clancy.
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|I don't think if it was for me, but I have said which MB I'm using due to other sites/blogs saying the problems could be with the new or old MB.
Well, if it was not what you wanted to say, forgive me. See ya.
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|For me, the 190mb package just worked fine. But, just to point out, I'm with a later 2007 white macbook.
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|good thing i hate rebooting so much that i ignore the software updates on my mac for weeks at a time...
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|The transformation to MS Windows is now complete. :P
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|Wow! A "BSOD" on a MAC. That must be a Apple fan's worst nightmare! Think guys, Apple that makes software for its own hardware eventually comes up with such errors. Look at the work done by Microsoft. So many varied hardware that Windows has to work on. Microsoft made it possible for me to own a computer. I am proud to be a PC.
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|Intel made it possible for you to own a computer. They give you more and more power for less and less cost. Microsoft sucks up the power, makes your machine break, and has never lowered prices on anything.
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|Unfortunately, this latest Apple Mac OS problem is a symptom of system designers trying to make computers easy to use for non-technical users. The systems get so sophisticated that they trip themselves up. There's no substitute for having a little knowledge and being able to tinker "under the hood", so to speak. That's why, even though old command-line interfaces are arcane and ugly (DOS, UNIX, Linux, etc.), I try to keep those skills sharp. That's probably what saved the user described in the last paragraph of this article.
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|I swore I wouldn't let myself be pulled into this debate again, but some things are just too painful to leave unsaid...
Joe P. Your assertion that mac's move towards user-friendliness is compromising its capabilities at the command line are so misguided that its obscene. OS X Leopard is a fully Unix-compliant OS. That means its command line is a BAJILLION (that's 1,000 bazillions) times more powerful and functional than the windows command line. I'll say it again: OS X has a fully functional unix command line that is as powerful as that on any open source or licensed Unix/linux operating system.
As a devoted "fan boy" I'm disappointed by the mistake; Apple f'd up. At least their browser is secure though - MS has had how many years to lock that down? 15? 20??? now that's embarrassing....
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|This is why I never download an Apple Update when it first gets released. I've learned to let others go through the hassle of sorting out the problems, then if Apple actually fixes the problems, I'll actually update. I have 3 (21" iMac, 17" iMac, Mac Mini) macs that are in different states of update, as update seems to screw something different up on each one.
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|Can you tell me how you know they've fixed the problems with a particular update? It's be useful to know (as a beginner) when exactly it's "safe" to install an update.
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|Amazing, as Apple marketshare increases, (albeit very slowly) the quality of their software decreases. As Microsoft share decreases, (albeit very slowly) the quality (arguably) increases.
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|:) Surely you aren't referring to Vista! LOL
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|He's probably referring to Windows 7. The beta reports are glowing, as it is already more stable than Vista. MS Windows7 will be the next powerhouse OS, most likely.
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|Actually I'm referring to Server 2003-2008, which are the best operating systems I've ever used.
Vista I put below Windows XP.
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|"Actually I'm referring to Server 2003..."
Then might as well stick Windows XP x64 Professional in there as well... it's practically the same thing. :)
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|Another 10.5.6 update BUG is that Yahoo! business email customers are unable to access their Yahoo! business mail accounts using the Safari browser. Mail still works, but the opnline account does not. Firefox works, but Safari redirects to the following URL: http://us.mc12.mail.yahoo.com/mc/welcome?noFlush
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|Well that's a new one.
Too many 3rd party apps means autoupdate doesn't work properly.
How can that be the case if the manually downloaded update works, but the autoupdate doesn't?
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|"Folks trying to help him out suggested that he may have installed too much third-party software on his system, with the result being that the automatic installer might not be able to adequately interpret changes that software may have made."
Agreed. The above is basically a whole heaping helping of 'you don't know what the hell you're talking about.' Maybe we need a new phrase like the old adage "if you can't say something nice, don't say anything". But along the lines of "If you don't really really know what you're talking about, making something up isn't going to help."
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|"It just works!"
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|That statement is true. The mac is just telling the user to go look at the sky and get away from the computer. It's a feature darn-it!
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|sometimes... =]
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|only gripe I have is: can't get audio on most bloomberg videos.
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|you need to download the flip4mac extension for Quicktime then the thing will work fine.
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|thanks for help, downloaded latest free flip4mac, no change.
1 or 2 of 4 videos have sound the others are silent.
looks like there is something else missing. I fiddled with this for a while now, but no 100% success.
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|Try downloading Perian. I downloaded it yesterday, it works great, and it's free.
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