If you people don't see the RIAA for the money hungry fiends they are just take a look around you! Check this out:

Why is it becoming a problem to record off the radio? Not only that but you have to pay a monthly fee to listen to sat. radio and now that fee is going to rise anytime now because the companies have to pay 20 million more to contract RIAA music!

Meanwhile...they still continue to rape a pillage every P2P network they stumble accross. Like most other things here in the States it's going to take a huge exploit or maybe even sombody has to die before anything will happen.

How much of this crap is too much? Who watched the RIAA?

You morons. RIAA is missing one point.
Radio was meant to broadcast entertainment.
Radio airplay is exposure for any group or band. This is how they make thier music known. If they want to sell music, they get one of thier catachy tunes on the waves. Some may buy the group's ENTIRE CD because they heard a song they really like. Some may choose not too. Most will record the song and listen to it enough times that they will want to go out and buy the CD.
Sattelite radio is no different. You just don't get an entire CD off of any radio format. Paying for singles was another $$$ Money Maker that the RIAA and record labels are trying to bank on.
Face it, radio services are advertising, and they want the consumer to pay for the advertising AND everything else. It's all this greedy society that we live in today. How many ACTUALLY buy a CD that they have never heard any songs from or recommendations from others. Low percentage I guess. You record a song from Radio or other and pass me a copy. I like it and buy the CD. If I don't? Oh well. As a side note, I do not condone recording whole CDs and passing them around. This whole recording song issue is related towards recording singles.

I could rant all day but I hate typing.

The RIAA cant except that theres new technology around. Dont the have enough problems suing children.

I say we all get together and go tear down the RIAA main office brick buy brick...or if any one has access to some C4 we could just blow it up!

But I am sure most would call that a bit to extream..so lets every one just not buy another stinking cd!

Don't buy a cd ..don't download any music ...
if we could all do that for just one year it would teach the _ss Holes at the RIAA that with out use the customer they are NOTHING!!!!

So what do you say we make 2006 a ANTI-RIAA year dont buy any music at all for 2006!

migraine@knology.net

While I really like the idea (really I do), I don't think that will send any sort of message at all. The best thing to do is to get our fingers into government and have our senators do their jobs. Of course, that being said, the chances of that happening are probably very low.

Hey Guess what I have a XM radio. You can also record music from with your mp3 player if you know how, it's not difficult at all. You know what else you can also do the samething online. If i realy wanted to i could get a blank tape and record what there playing. So what the RIAA is tring to do makes no sence this can already be done. Just not on a portable device yet and that all there going to be doing.

Well, no downloads are actually being made. The RIAA is honestly going a little overboard with this decision. The last report with the RIAA involved that I read was the same way. The RIAA basically tries to find a loophole and cries about it every time.

Basically, all I have to ask is "Why not make audio tapes illegal?" Sure, they may be old, outdated, and non-playable in the new cars since audio tape players are not available. With these cassettes, you could record AM/FM radio, another tape, or a CD. This story with XM and Sirius is the least of their problems right now.

Isnt what the RIAA doing illegal? How are they obtaing the information, as to who is illegally downloading and copying music? Are they hacking into peoples computers? Isnt what theyre doing sort of like illegal wiretapping? I dont know, im asking??

Doesnt the RIAA recall a similar devise that would record music or news. It was called a Cassette radio and it's been everywhere on this planet forever. The RIAA is acting like a retarded nutcase. recording content of any kind had been ging on since the 50-60's.

maybe they will create a formula that calculates how many times you may have listened to a song and send you a bill. :P

lol about it or play it ounce and it self destrucks...

If the SatRadios go free-to-air, would the RIAA no longer have any case?

Ladies and gents, from now on, we will begin to sue Gun companies because their guns might be used for illegal purposes.

IF THE GUN FREAKING INDUSTRY can get away with making GUNS, Sat Radio should get away with this.

This is hardly the forum for expressing your views on the gun industry. Your comparison is like that of apples to nuts and bolts. Take your forum on the gun industry elsewhere.

his comment was perfectly reasonable. The subject of his post coincided with the article. Take your oversensitivity in regards to the gun industry elsewhere.

agrees

I guess you didnt read my post correctly. I wasnt attacking the gun industry, I was making an analogy of pure facts.

A song for $0.99.
I think it's cheap and affordable.

Why can't ppl just go work and pay for it?? Those LAZY @$$...

Anyhow, I do think RIAA is really stinky too.
They are showing people to the extreme how ugly the capitalism is. But hey!! Capitalism makes a country powerful!!

I wonder when the artists are going to start suiing the RIAA for not redistributing the payouts from all these law suits. After all, they're supposed to aren't they?

Do you have information leading to the conclusion that they are not?

"According to Crockett's report, the RIAA's asking price for the new five-year contract to start in 2007 is over $1 billion, significantly higher than the current $80 million contract that expires next year."

IMO, this could be death to the sat radio companies, which I would not be happy with. Frickin' RIAA...

Christ.

Stop whining, pansies. You want it, buy it.

You're not paying for the music with Sat., you're paying for the commercial-free, high-quality format in which it is being delivered.

The Sat. Radio companies want you to be able to record CD quality music from their services, which is BS. Of course RIAA is going to have a problem with it.

Duh.

True, but we are not paying for the commercial-free, high-quality content, if that were true everything would simply be public broadcast in hi-def. We are paying for the Media, radio waves deliver it for free.. RIAA can't stop recording of radio songs, so what's the difference there?

sure they get cut off sometimes in the begining with some blabber mouth DJ, but most of the time I can get complete songs.. radio edit doesn't matter, I still have the song.

If the RIAA has a suit claming these songs are affecting legal rights to songs, then they would have to shut down radio stations as well. Sirius and XM have a countersuit already for censorship and bias. You can't go after one medium and not go after another, without bringing the ire of congress and supreme court into play.

Mark my words, this will go the supreme court, in 2009 and they will find in FAVOR of the Sirius and XM. They are not wrong simply because its privatized to emiliminate commercials. Its still broadcast, high-quality or not. Not to mention you can get hi definition radio without paying for a subscription, so how do you stop those people? You don't, therefore there is no illegal activity, unless radio is suddenly outlawed.

Oh please. Would this be your response to people who used to record stuff from the radio onto tapes? Suck it up and go buy it? Damn. The RIAA must love you.

What because I believe that if I have to pay for it, you should as well?

Yeah, I'm a real bas**** that way.

dumba**.

"RIAA can't stop recording of radio songs, so what's the difference there?"

Just because they can't stop you doesn't make it any less illegal.

Radio stations have the license to play them, you do not. The SC will see it that way as well.

ok you you have never ever. done the following.

Burned a cd of music or software that you did not pay for.

recorded a program with a vcr or tivo

recorded anything offf the radio to a tape or cd

it is NOT illegal to record a song off the radio to a tape or cd for your personal enjoyment. It becomes illegal if you use it to make money, or play it at clubs or etc.....

SAT radio is doing the same tings as taping off radio, there just providing you with a "digtial tape" / storage space.

In a nut shell SAT recording device is basically a TIVO for the sat waves.

I believe in paying for the songs, i mean come on its 99 cents. Or paying for the CD if you what all the songs, and i do if i am going to make a cd of different songs. but the RIAA has screwed that too. I pay 99 cents for the song, but i still have limits, Examples: can only be played on certain devices, can only be transfered so many times to a playable device, can only be burnned 3 times.

If i pay for the F****** song, it should be mine to do what i wish with, as long as i am not going to be selling it or using it for money making purpose.

RIAA biggest theft is 20 bucks for 24 songs with 90% of the time only 2 songs are any good per CD.

what are you talking about?

Let me get this straight....

There's a convenient way for people to listen to good quality music wherever they want. Naturally, the RIAA are going to try and stop that. I mean, if people listen to radio, they'll NEVER buy another CD or legal download again.*

*Not that I'm being sarcastic or anything.

Too far. Where does it stop? Why is Sat Radio worse than FM? Or AM? Or even when you're out in a bar... do you need to pay to listen to the music they play in there too?

"RIAA is upset over recording capabilities being built into the newest portable players from the two services."

That's the catch. Anyone actually *read* the article?

They don't want you to be able to record it. Can you seriously blame them? Sat. radio is better quality than normal radio, as good as CD. You get the whole song, no commercials running over the beginning or ending... perfect for making free rips.

As long as XM and Sirius build in functionality that keeps the recorded material from being copied from the device, they'll be fine.

Get over it and buy the music if you want your own copy.

Yeah ok, I'll give you that they don't want you to be able to move the recorded music from the device to another medium (eg. an iPod or a CDR) but I don't really see the major issue with recordings being made and left on the device. Presumably, these things will have about 128Mb - a finite amount of storage by any standards. Why's it any worse than having a tape recorder with an FM or DAB radio attached?

Just to clarify my position though: I don't and have never used sat radio. I buy my music on iTunes or from a CD store. And it REALLY bothers me that the RIAA considers anyone who listens to music as a likely pirate.

Look at the stats they're looking at, and you'll see why....whether or not they're right is another story.

As for leaving it on the device, again, I don't think RIAA would have a problem with this if there was some sort of HUGE limit in size/quality/time to expire, etc... Indefinate CD quality would not be a good idea.

Yes, we read the damn article, did you actually *read* what *you* wrote? you didn't say the problem was with recording devices, you specifically stated the problem was with the content.

This goes way back to the early days of VHS, when they threatened to take away recorders.. did that happen? Of course not. Same thing here, it will amount to nothing.

OK, so your argument is as long as there is a limitation on how long we can keep the media, and pay for it over and over, then they would be ok with it?

This is getting confusing. RIAA approved for sites to have an online account and listen to music for a subscription fee, namely Music Match for one, you can get an account for 10 bucks. but you can't record the song unless you pay 1 dollar per song. now I download the song, and I can play a million times for the next 100 years. How is that different then keeping the songs on a device for an unlimited period?

If its a subscription problem, fine they can authorize a certificate via sirius or XM account to record the song and pay a nomial fee for unlimited use say $0.25 a song.

The real problem here is greed. Its just like pros in sports, Owners want to pay $5 million to a player, the player wants $10 million. They settle at $7.5 million through arbitration. Everyone is happy, until they go on strike then the customers lose.

RIAA wants a dollar per song, or whatever it takes for them to get their cut, all I know is iTunes, Walmart, et. al, want a buck for a song. I am NOT willing to pay a buck per song that's just being greedy. I will pay 10 cents maybe a quarter for a song, that would be worth it, but those greedy bas****s won't budge and they are suing everyone and their grandma for downloading songs, when all they have to do is make the damn songs more affordable, but do they care? NO.

That's the real issue. People don't have that kind of money, 15 bucks for a CD and a dollar per song, that is just stupid, so RIAA won't budge, and people find creative ways to get songs for free, at a risk.

There has to be some middle ground, and its going to take the Supreme Court to finally settle it.

Idiot.

Let me make it simple for you:

Recording copyrighted song..

No wait...too complex.

Record. Radio. Bad. Got it?

My argument is that if you are not willing to pay for it, for whatever reason, it does not belong in your possession.

I am not talking about DRM. If you want the song, buy the CD. If you want lame-ass DRM, buy it from iTunes or some other lame MP3 warehouse.

"pay 1 dollar per song. now I download the song, and I can play a million times for the next 100 years. How is that different then keeping the songs on a device for an unlimited period?"

Because, you paid for the song on MM. you did not pay for it through XM. You paid to hear it, not to possess it.

Subscription is fine. They've tried that, if you want lame-ass DRM, go for it.

Point is, downloaded, recorded, etc, it's gonna come with DRM. Duh. Want it so you can do whatever the hell you want with it so long as your not giving it to others? Buy the friggin' CD.

Everwhere there is music you will pay for it even indirectly. If you're in a bar, the owner pays a royalty for the use of whatever music is played there. Likewise in a store, while you're shopping to the sound of the latest techno-crud, you will pay to hear that, even if it's in a small mark up of the price of the clothing. Lifts, malls, the ringtone on your cellphone. Yes my friend, where there is music, everybody pays. And it's a good thing, because the people who write the songs get a royalty every time it is used, as so they should. Does anybody out there whining about all this stuff expect to work and not get paid? I didn't think so.

You really are a broken record, you know that? First of all, the facts:

XM utilizes the ACCPlus codec at ~54kbps to achieve "CD-like" sound. A CD has a sound quality of 1400kbps, which, if you're paying attention, is massively higher than even the best compression algorithm could hope to produce. Sirius uses a similar method, but information on it is hard, if impossible to find without dedicating hours on it. Honestly, you aren't worth that dedication.

Recording a song from satellite radio is as harmless as recording it off of traditional radio. The only difference is the recording medium. Recordable cassette tapes are NOT illegal, therefore this shouldn't be either.

As with copying from the radio, there will be signal loss that will compromise the integrity of the broadcast, no matter how high the quality of the broadcast is. As I already mentioned, the signal the device receives is already heavily compressed. Recording this onto the device in a lossy format such as mp3 will further degrade the quality of the file, thus eliminating your CD-quality argument.

In the end you're gonna still have your stance that this is pure evil, and while I agree that people who have thousands of songs on their computer that they downloaded illegally are pathetic, I cannot agree with you on this. I am a Sirius user, and if you read up on the device, you'd know that the only way to receive the streams on the portable device is to have it connected to its base unit. The whole system isn't devised for on-the-fly recording like you seem to want to think. Its meant for recording either blocks of music to take with you while working out or for shows like Howard Stern's. There is no illicit advantage to this device. Hell, if anything, this is a champion against piracy. Its priced at $360, it can't be used on-the-fly, and it requires the base to even listen to streams live.

And as for your comment on songs being free of interruptions, you are sorely mistaken. DJs will talk over the opening of a song with instrumental intros or fading outros. Just because its commercial-free doesn't mean its interruption-free. That service would be Music Choice music that you can get over satellite or digital cable which, might I add, IS CD-quality and CAN be recorded and ripped for your stealing pleasure.

Finally, if someone is willing to spend $360 PLUS $13/month just to "steal" music, then their priorities as a "pirate" are sorely misappropriated and they need to rethink their strategy. You are worrying over nothing. The RIAA have this all wrong and need to get a grip.

That's the catch. Anyone actually *read* the article?

Guess that you didn't fully read the article your self.

RIAA representatives argue that these devices will harm sales of legal downloads; however, it should be mentioned that the quality of the recordings made by these devices are noticeably lower than songs sold on iTunes and other music stores.

It's not a perfect rip it is a low grade recording real pirates would just download better quility rips this is just for people who paid for the service and want to listen to it on the go.

Think about it for a minite would pirates realy spend this amount of money to pirate tunes lets see price of the unit plus monthly fees and the quality is noticably not there(as stated in the article)hell no they wouldn't.

So quit whining by going just buy the the cd the people that are using these devices are paying for it and just want to listen to it on the go and think about it this could also increase sales the people walking around with these devices wishing for better than low grade recordings they are already willing to pay for music services expencive ones at that whats to stop them from going out and buying the cds(or online)for better quality.

Simply amazing, and I just can't see what they are trying to accomplish.

Subscribers of those services are serious enough that they are paying to listen to those music. They are nothing but hurting one of media with high targetted audiences.

Sure, those devices can record music, but what the concern? If you really want copy music, aren't there far easier alternatives already available? Those people they are sueing must have had the source they got their music from, and I highly doubt it came from satellite radio.

I just can't help feel that it seems like what RIAA really wants is a demise of the whole industry.

Could the RIAA please just shut up and die.

Amen!

-Macbeth-

A friend of mine has XM satellite radio. The first thing his ears noticed, was a continuous pilot signal transmitting along with the music. Who wants to record that crap? Not me.

Why is it that a RIAA member company (SONY) wants to sell tape recorders, CD and DVD burners as well as blank media for them? Then sue the customers who bought them. Sheer insanity...

Yea! I mean after all there isnt ANY OTHER REASON to be able to record data onto preservable media...only pirates buy that s***!

hint: if you didn't get the sarcasm, give up.

Uhh.. I invented music Robin. Everyone else just ripped me off. Tell'em Fred! Hoo Hoo Hoo!

If The satalite radio companies have anything to do with this they will not let the RIAA do this.

O and A party Rock!!! XM satalite radioo. ch. 202

" Uhh.. I invented music Robin. Everyone else just ripped me off. Tell'em Fred! Hoo Hoo Hoo!"

I inventend farts too Quit ripping me off RIAA Fred tell em!

When the music is once again about the music and not so much the money and industry of it... everyone will benefit through an increase in the re-genuinity of the art, the re-artifying of the art. I think that unless used commercially or presented live, there is no reason to make money from making music. The RIAA is like an evil entity raging in it's death throes(?) after being beaten, grasping at straws, clawing at the air.

The RIAA is SO greeedy. (tsk tsk tsk)

Who buys music anyway!!! :P

Uh, anyone who doesn't steal it.

I should stop reading these articles, it's going to give me an ulcer ;)
Man, what a hypocrisy. The artists themselves had to learn music somehow and that would be through 'sharing' music. How many remakes have been done lately? - too many. Your telling me that all these yahoos bought every song they ever learned. Highly unlikely.

If one musician shows another say, a Beatles song, is that piracy? What if they didn't have time to learn the whole song and copied it to a tape? Is that piracy? Now the musician is making money in the industry, incorperating the songs they learned in to their own music. Is this not piracy? I've heard countless songs that remind me of other songs. Do you really think that they magically one day started writing songs without any outside influences?

Radio, books, CDs, records, tapes, what have you. They were all 'shared' at one time to learn their craft.

Now they want to turn around and sue the very people that they make money from? Knowing full well that they were once music fans (and still are) themselves, borrowing/sharing/copying music. Come on.

Yeah. I agree. Stop buying music. It is absolute crap anyway.

Sorry to rant. But this nonesense has to stop.

It seems every topic is of the RIAA, they are only digging there own hole. I see them a distant memory in 10 years, with faster computers, easier software, and cheaper hardware, independant producing will make its way... Hell bands don't even have to find a cd printing / distro. they will be able to use iTunes, etc..

Either that, or in ten years time, they'll have sued enough people and made enough money to buy Microsoft. Then we're all in BIG trouble!

I Think that RIAA Has Gone to far. RIAA is Stopping the Growth of Future Technology. I Think As People That USE the World Wide Internet, We Should Stop Originations Like RIAA. The Future of Internet And Growth Of Things to come Depends on it.

Like we needed MORE proof the folks over at the RIAA had lost their minds...

Who do they think they are? SCO?

You can record the radio off of the air now. How is what SatRadio offers different? Why is it that the RIAA can extort everyone?

Its never been about 'is it legal or illegal to copy music' its about the ease of doing so and the quality of doing so usurping cd sales.

I love sat radio, next best thing to netradio ^^ love the selection.

someone should start a mission to just stop buying music like a strike against them!

We need to stop purchasing any product that a member of the RIAA sells for at least month. I wonder what would happen if the sales of music went to $0.00 for a month. We might just find we can do without it...and the RIAA.

I'm already boycotting the big 4 RIAA companies. All of my purchases come directly from the artist's direct marketing on their own websites. I don't get music from I-Tunes or a Circuit City type retailer any more. F--- the RIAA...

Do you have commercials running over the beginning or tail of a song in sat. radio? No? That might be why it's different, genius.

CD Quality, no commercials.

If everyone boycotted music, the RIAA would blame it on a massive increase in piracy, jack up the prices and start more of these increasingly ridiculous law suits. The one about the 14 year old girl (http://www.betanews.com/...YearOld_Girl/1128618276) just proves that they're taking it too far.

Not every song on the radio is overdubbed with commercials, mr. Wizard.

some even have non-stop plays, and I can get 10-15 songs at a whack if I wanted.. with NO interruptions.

Good one, RIAA jr.

And she wasn't the only adolescent!

blahblahblah.

Does this negate the fact that you are *not* inpossession of the music until you record it? You have no license to do so. The station has license to play it, you have, through them, license to hear it, you do *not* have the licence to record, distribute, or *possess* a copy.

Do you just not get it, or are you arguing because you have nothing better to do?

Contrary to what sat radio may cliam, it is not CD quality. I have xm and granted it is better quality than radio most of the time, It is no where near the same bitrate as CD.

Yeah, but I *THINK* she was the first one where the RIAA tried to strip her of her parent's responsibility so that she could be sued personally.

OK i reposted what i said earler cause i want "PC_tool" to read and see it.

ok you you have never ever. done the following.

Burned a cd of music or software that you did not pay for.

recorded a program with a vcr or tivo

recorded anything offf the radio to a tape or cd

it is NOT illegal to record a song off the radio to a tape or cd for your personal enjoyment. It becomes illegal if you use it to make money, or play it at clubs or etc.....

SAT radio is doing the same tings as taping off radio, there just providing you with a "digtial tape" / storage space.

In a nut shell SAT recording device is basically a TIVO for the sat waves.

I believe in paying for the songs, i mean come on its 99 cents. Or paying for the CD if you what all the songs, and i do if i am going to make a cd of different songs. but the RIAA has screwed that too. I pay 99 cents for the song, but i still have limits, Examples: can only be played on certain devices, can only be transfered so many times to a playable device, can only be burnned 3 times.

If i pay for the F****** song, it should be mine to do what i wish with, as long as i am not going to be selling it or using it for money making purpose.

RIAA biggest theft is 20 bucks for 24 songs with 90% of the time only 2 songs are any good per CD.

When you pay for XM or sirus, you are paying to hear the music and for the comcerial free part, and being uncensored.

Now i agree to mkae it to where you can NOT remove or copy the song off the player. But i see nothing wrong with recording the song for later playback. its like TIVO, say i want to record the nascar event or a eagles concert on sirus cause i am in a meeting, so i can listen on my way home.

is that not the same thing as a vcr or tivo. i can record the music sations off tv and play them back later.

I guess the RIAA is going to have to sue time warner, tivo, sony (for making the vcr)and anyone else you is providing a method for recording air, sat, and tv broadcasting

***yes i was being an A** there

I think PC_fool works for the RIAA:)