It can't be, I can make a better commertial flipping pages of crappy hand drawings, the commercial sucks, almost anyone could make a better one.

The commercial sucks because dum words, someone on the street saying digital media, and nothing saying what it is going to do any thing good about computers and for people.

That really is an incipid commercial. Shame.

The screensaver is cool though, hehe.

anyone got it?

Hey IsoRipper Can you post another set of download links for whistler. Pleas. Thanks

That place is no longer available.....What's speed are u connected at? I may be able to post it for u on my FTP, if u got a fast line...gimme ur email address.

IsoRipper, Could you please send me an ftp site to d/l that whistler thing?

my e-mail is cerberus@latinsite.com

Thanks dude!!

Hey ISOripper my email address is djklue98@prodigy.net

need some rars, weendex@videotron.ca

Need only .r00. Can you help?

echeinz@home.com

That is ok........This version of whistler I posted is the personal......great and stable, but unfortunately, the download is down.....anyone needs it??? let me know!

I can confirm it's stable and working =)

I installed at work (on a partition RedHat Linux was residing) parallel to my main Windows 98 partition. At home, I "upgraded" my Win98 SE. In both scenarios the setup performed flawlessly (albeit slow in the latter scenario, about 2 hours).

On my work machine, it doesn't like my Linksys network card for some reason. I try to install the drivers and it gives me some stuff about the INF file :/

At home however, it picked up all of my hardware without any problems. Most applications still work with the exception of SQL Server 7 and Outlook 2000 (the setup warns which apps will not work or will need to be reinstalled after installing Whistler).

Anyway, if anyone knows of a forum for whistler support please let me know where it is, I'd appreciate it!

yeah thanks man! It's great, I got it yesterday ;-)

SQL 7 Should work....I had it installed on 2250.....

I will also try to get Office 10.

I don't recall if Whistler considered it a non-working app, I know it had to at least be reinstalled. I haven't reinstalled it yet.

IsoRipper, my email is neogyez@hotmail.com, i should be able to download it fast, i gots cable :]

neogyez@hotmail.com if you upload Office ten

(im not gonna use whistler until it hits beta one)

WTH stupid idiots and their damn lynux (pronounced lyn (like the name) ux) it abso****inglutely sucks its for idiots who want to be different and say "i got a piece of crap for half the price of any MS OS" yeah thats what you got CRAP ive had WIN95, WIN98, WINME, and now WIN2K i hear everyone b****ing "there are no new (or improved) features of WINME" thats crap if there wernt any why would they release a BRAND DAMN NEW OS?¿? For the money right? Bill Gates is one of the richest in the world why would he want to screw everyone over? so he could lose money in stocks in the company? Monopoly MY a** the company is successfull so some dumba** says they are breaking the law and BANG all hell breaks loose. Back to OSs mac sucks period but if you want a pretty little monitor with a hole to stick a disk or cd in go for it cause the colours are cool (yeah right) MS doesnt do hardware? WTF IS GATEWAY? dumba**ES MS releases new OSs every 2-3 years (on the same platform ie NT vs 9x) I must say calling NT5 Windows 2000 screwed alot of people over cause they had no idea what the difference was all those bugs? HAHA they were fixed no problem its cause stupid critical people would rather b**** about something that aint their creation then to say "damn that is good" the guy with the WIN2K hardware statement your right absolutely right cause my 3 year old printer was found and supported but not the scanner (less than a year) but my burner and zip drive and everything worked no problem i noticed that my video card driver in WIN2K was more updated than that of the company's release

BTW the screensaver is cool

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Allllllright Mr. Ballmer, we get it already!

You shouldn't be so eager to show that YOU'RE the idiot. From your writing, I believe you to be no older than a 14-year-old.
It actually takes intelligence to install and run Linux (and a great deal of patience). Windows can be installed by a monkey. How does your idiot theory work, exactly?
Bill Gates DOES screw people over, that's exactly how he became so rich. http://www.drdos.com/fullstory/factstat.html : just one example of how he became so rich. Be sure to note the topic of this link. He can't share his pie with other companies, so he takes the steps necessary to kill them. How else could you ensure your paycheck?

What a plank,
I’ve four PC’s and an iMac, one PC runs Windows 2000 Pro, one runs Terminal Server 4, one runs Suse Linux 7.0, and a laptop running 98SE, with the Mac running OS 8.6. So I think I’m qualified to say you don’t know what your talking about.
For a start Linux has skinabillity as standard something MS will try to implement in Whistler, if they can!!!
Secondly, on a Mac you have the excellent download manager, which means you can go back to a stalled download and carry on where you left of even if its now a week later.
Ever one of these OS’s has there own good and bad points,
The only reason MS is so rich is because of people like you with there blinkered opinion.
If you are so set in your ways and afraid to try new things why are posting on a beta testing forum?

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Oh, yeah, I'm going to download a commercial. How fun?

50% percent of the stock to be exact...

who cares?

Man I've been trying to get this forever, thanks man!

I mean, if they're going to show that on tv, I thought they were trying to raise the public opinion, not give the public this idea that they're a bunch of morons that decided to get together and make this os that some guy is shouting buzwords about. I'm just overly diassapointed, I was hoping for something that I could let run in the store to advertise ME, but I guess I'll have to wait a little longer.

Hey matguy - how about the screensaver? That's pretty cool (very basic, but very slick).

gee, i wonder how long it will take the great guys of betanews to get rid of this post. by the way, thanks for the heads up.
whoever downloads the beta build beware of the "phone home" rumors, which i have heard basically states that microsoft sends an internal snapshot (of sorts) of the user's system to Redmond for review. however, i dont know how much trouble one can get in for downloading and installing this prebeta merely for hobby-like purposes b/c it isnt for sale yet. trouble will arise when the person tries to steal the technology and infringe on MS's intellectual property rights. i am sure MS can find other ways to make your life hell for downloading it.

This is bull......Microsoft does not tap u or anything....u can safely use the beta version, as I have been using the preview (before 2257) for months!

I don't think I would recommend anyone installing this unless they have some dual boot setup. I would bet heavily that most programs and some hardware will be incompatible with Whistler.

If anybody would like to download Windows Whistler beta 2250 or 2257 go to www.snoopywarez.com and go to the appz section 1 Beta build 2250 seems to be the only working download at the moment.

I've installed WinME, and was disappointed to see that there are no new significant features. (Not even transparency support?!;-))
Hell, I'd call it Win98 3rd Edition.
(which means that win2k is still - million times better)

If you don't see any new features, then that means that you have absolutley no clue what so ever.

Yes, he does have a clue. He said "there are no new significant features", not just *any* new features.

Hey, I know that everybody hates MS, including me, I dont like their MSN s*** and whatever programs they have, but give Microsoft credit, Windows ME is the best OS I have seen for PC's. It is VERY STABLE, I am constantly doing stuff on my computer which would freeze up Win 98, ME has not frozen once and I have been using it for one week now. So far so good, ME is well worth installing.

Just my opinion

It will freeze eventually, trust me. It's still based on the Win9x kernel, which has the fundamental 'flaw' of allowing runaway applications to freeze or crash the whole system.

If you want a truly stable Windows OS, you should really be using Windows 2000. Apps running on it can crash and freeze left and right, but the OS will keep chugging along...

When he say’s “It's still based on the Win9x kernel” I think what he means to say is that it is still sits on top of Dos, seven to be presice, and because of this win9x/me has to maintain backward compatibility.
MS knows this that’s why they tried to make the “one OS does all” with Win2k but they couldn’t do it, too much 16 bit code floating about I guess.
I truly believe that these ‘updates’ should be free to download like NT service packs because that’s all they are.

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Oh c'mon linux is pure crap. it will be 5+ years before a real amout of people sttart using linux. RedFat goes slower then win9x on any machine.

msft rules and win2k is the way 2 go

You're a dumba**. Linux has it's places. I use it as a *FREE* dependable firewall. I wouldn't trust any version of Windows as a firewall. ANY version. Plus, I'm cheap, I don't feel I need to pay for the shoddy o/s'es that MS put's out, with the one sole exception of 95 which came with my computer.

While I'd agree that Linux makes a great firewall, the average user doesn't need to build a firewall. When it comes to the desktop, what he said is true, it will be many years before "average users" flock to it. And not because of any pressure from MS, but because of the OS's relative immaturity, inconsistencies throughout the OS, difficulty of use, lack of business apps, etc.

For once, I do agree with you. Especially about linux being unable to hold on the desktop. That comment about it being crap just begged for a reply. But it is no coincidence that the only real competitor to MS is an infant-staged Linux. But that argument is for another news-related article.
What surprises me is the MS ad-campaign people expect the public to want to see a commercial for Me? I have just one question : Why? Do they want to build up hype for yet another o/s release? Perhaps we'll hear the start me up song again....?

I agree with quake8 Linux is pure junk..Its kernel is older than windows 3.1...Hello!! It doesnt support even 50% of the hardware even windows 2000 supports. It doesnt have even 50% of the amount of applications. As for the crashing thing..Your right linux doesnt crash it just ****s up and doesnt tell you. When a program screws up it doesnt give a msgbox or anything but it just sits there. When you try to open another application by double clicking sure the gui interaction is fine but that application sure as hell doesnt fire cause the damn kernel is screwed up. Another thing is Linux is not more secure than windows 2000 at all. Actually in a recent report by Geek News Linux has more security holes than windows NT 4.0 did. Go figure becuase its not even created by professional programs but freelance programmers. Would you rather buy a car built from old age parts and put together in a nice nifty package or buy a car built from the most advanced technology on the market put togtether somewhat good but for a hefty price? Oldsmobile or Camero ?? Come on camero is the choice of all users. Sure linux is nice to screw around on and I do have a linux box running right beside me with Mandrake 7.2 Beta 1 on it. I have played unreal tournament on it and I compared the results from windows 2000 to linux and windows 2000 out performed linux in unreal tournament by nearly 35 fps. You can blame it on bad drivers but what does that matter? Bad drivers = bad operating system becuase obviously third partie software lack of or not windows still outperformed linux. It will take Linux nearly 5 more years like quake8 said for it to catch up to windows 98...While in 5 years microsoft will blow linux out of the water. Microsoft has already showed its superiority in windows 2000. We have just seen the infancy of windows 2000 .. Brand New Kernel Built On NT's Kernel...I have never ever had windows 2000 crash on me..I have been running it on ALL my computers and had some of them running without reboot for nearly 6 months before obviously it needed to be rebooted due to the nature of a pc's cache becoming saturated..What I will say is the linux kernel is somewhat good if it undergoes a major overhaul. A new filesystem is in big time need..The each partition per a section dates back to the first version of unix. Windows went around that horrible so called security feature..

Linux has just as many problems as any other operating system does, including Windows. Anyone who doesn't believe me, just go read a linux newsgroup and you will see what I mean.

I love WindowsME. And I like most Microsoft software and hardware, although I don't agree with some of the things Bill Gates does. Such as his business practices.

Most people aren't going to give up all their hardware and software that they have paid for just to run another operating system. Not to mention one that has just as many bugs. Its nice that Linux is free, but there is also a reason why it is free, as they would have even less users if they charged for it. Linux reminds me too much of DOS, even with its graphical interface.

The reason why it's free is because the GNU GPL states the source code is free and available to the public. If MS had such an arrangement, you wouldn't be forking out anywhere near the amount you do for their releases.

Yeh! And look at Dos now with it’s ME skirt on…

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I thought the hole point of Unreal Tournament on a Linux box was for use as a dedicated server?
Linux real selling point is NETWORKING, One of my customer sites, up in Norwich (UK) has a Linux cluster of 24 rack mount Duel PIII 600’s.
It’s a number cruncher, that they can run/administer/rebuild form Harpenden (UK) 125 miles away. It was also some big investment for someone on “a car built from old age parts and put together in a nice nifty package”…

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I don't know if any of you guys saw this, and I know I'm probably wrong, but its still funny just the same. If you click "settings" for the Windows Me screensaver, it says it was created with "MACSOURCERY." I know its probably for Macromedia, but still, one can poke fun ;).

I noticed that too! How funny. A quick visit to www.macsourcery.com shows that they do have Windows versions of thier screensaver tools... But just the "Mac" name on a MS released product is funny. Well I guess they do have some partnership with Apple....

Microsoft is tring their best to get all the consumers to go out and buy Windows ME. Why? So Microsoft can make Apple go out of buisness.

You don't follow the computer industry very well, do you? Apple and their vintage OS is the least of Microsoft's concerns. Linux is the only real 'competition' Microsoft has these days.

Oh yeah, that's smart... MS is trying to make Apple go out of business so they can lose there LARGE customer base for Mac Office and growing Mac IE community, among other pieces of software.

Why would they want apple to go out of business? It's a totally different platform...

Microsoft doesn't want Mac to go under or lose business!! Statistics show that lots of people are switching from PCs to Macintosh. Microsoft can waste their time and try to sabotage Apple or they can be smart and provide software to Macintosh users.

I myself use PC. I don't like Apple much but those are the facts. If I were a businessman I would do the same, go where the market is. Simple as that.

Microsoft develops more software than hardware. PC Manufacturers are Apple's biggest competitors. Mac should just lay off on the PC bashing before they put of Microsoft, because lots of Microsoft's market is in the PC.

My two cents.

Is that why Billy invested money in Apple?

Microsoft is tring their best to get all the consumers to go out and buy Windows ME. Why? So Microsoft can make Apple go out of buisness.

Have you ever used Windows Me (contrary to popular belief, it is NOT Windows ME)? MS has every good reason to want people to buy WinMe. It is a lot more stable than Win95/98/98SE (I only saw one blue screen during the whole beta test). The Help & Support feature is much better than the old help files. System Restore is a very welcomed feature (during the beta I deleted the system folder and System Restore worked flawlessly). For people wanting to work with digital movies there is Movie Maker. Sure, you can go download IE 5.5 and WMP 7.0, but that's not what MS is selling here. It is a much improved OS with new features.

I would recommend Win2k, but I use it occassionally and have had problems. I have several pieces of hardware (none more than a year ole) that it doesn't recognize. I also have several programs, many games, that won't install because they aren't built for NT (again, none more than one year old). Hopefully, when the Whistler beta gets here in October compatibility will be much better.

System Restore didn't fix that, that was System File Protection.

Actually, it was System Restore. I created a restore point, booted from the boot disk and deleted it from DOS. I then scraped my way into Safe Mode and used System Restore to go back to the restore point I created.

Also why does Bill Gates own a large chunk of Red Hat stock? :) I think we all can put the puzzle together. :)
Microsoft and Linsux have good and bad points, Too bad linsux put out the code :( Now the linsux boxes are getting hacked hard.

He does it because it's a good investment, it makes a lot of money.

The only reason Win2K didn't install drivers for the "newer hardware" is because the hardware vendor probly didn't send MS any drivers...From what I have seen, some STILL won't make drivers for Win2K, which is purely the fault of the vendor for not wanting to stay up to date with OSes.

James

Don't forget how easily and quickly those weakpoints are repaired.
With several thousand people (a very small estimate) working to repair bugs/security problems, it doesn't take long to fix it. But that also creates it's own problems...

you ****en moron...Microsoft pulled apple back into business when apple was going down under..Microsoft bough half of their stock and helped them get back on their feet...This is the most moronic things I have ever heard anyone say!!

Remember what the iMac and G3 did for Macintosh, well OS ten or X what ever, will do the same again. The new OS is based on a Linux type kernel called Darwin and is being compiled for Intel boxes right now, so MS can forget about Linux for now because as soon as it is ready for the PC I think all those wealthy couples with there 2.4 children out there who go to PC world first before shopping around are guna go for OSX in a big way…

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Remember what the iMac and G3 did for Macintosh, well OS ten or X what ever, will do the same again. The new OS is based on a Linux type kernel called Darwin and is being compiled for Intel boxes right now, so MS can forget about Linux for now because as soon as it is ready for the PC I think all those wealthy couples with there 2.4 children out there who go to PC world first before shopping around are guna go for OSX in a big way…

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