Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Fool me numerous times, hi Sony!

Someone is posting from my account too. How lame, if its someone from the staff - how lame.
If someone has found a workaround then he better come on the Blu-ray side cos i am going to kick his but if i find him!

Here is some news for the hd dvd losers:
http://www.variety.com/a...ategoryid=1009&cs=1

Talk about retarded, did you bother reading the article?

Obviously the title is misleading you though.
"whether buyers want one or not, there's no way to tell whether that lead will translate into DVD sales for studios."

OK here is something better:
http://www.gearlog.com/2...why_bluray_will_win.php

Capacity
"Has any format war ever been won by the technology with less capacity?"

VHS vs Betamax, I stoped reading right there. No point in reading an article where the writer is even more retarded than the person posting it.

Next

Also I didn't see a tab for 'price' so I definetly stoped reading the article even at a first glance.

Hey Dave,

Did you read the article? It says that no one is actually sure if Blu_Ray movies will outsell HD-DVD.

The title is basically to get you to read the article but the sales figures and the rest of the article says something else.

At least post a link to some real figures and don't just read the title and wet your pants.

The article says about 40,000 360 HD-DVD add-on's were sold last month, great news, thanks, I appreciate the link.

you can also see the real figures at

www.thedvdwars.com
www.gamesystemwars.com
www.nexgenwars.com

No false, misleading titles. Just solid sales figures. You still can't come up with one article that shows your stupid claims.

By the way, I know exactly how someone is posting in your name. The character map come s in handy.

Here it is you idiot:
PS3 outsells the HD DVD add-on 5 to 1
http://www.engadgethd.co...he-hd-dvd-add-on-5-to-1/

You are so sick to use multiple accounts that it proves how mad are you...

And stop posting www.thedvdwars.com because it was already proven that they lie...

"Just solid sales figures" LOL!!! Nothing to do with the truth. hd dvd had its time, it was selling better but no more. And it WAS because it launched earlier.

By the way i am sure that i will use Blu-ray. I have a lot of hardware and soft for me but are you going to be able to do the same? No one joins toshiba... how sad.

No, i feel sorry for you because you are insane! I will be so happy to laugh @ you when BD wins, but i am sure that you will hide...

You are somehow confusing the amount of PS3's out there with Blu_Ray movie sales. We all know there is about a 4 to 1 of PS3's to HD-DVD add-ons.

But why is no one still buying BD movies?

Show me that dedicated BD players are outselling HD-DVD and I will shut up, but you can't because it's not true. Same goes for the movie titles, BD is slowly becoming UMD, no one wants them and HD-DVD is simply better.

You have no idea how to present an argument.

Once again, opinion.

Fact say otherwise, would you please give it up until BD actually surpasses HD-DVD in movie sales. You know, the only thing that generates revenue for BD.

You are so sad sometimes. I used to get mad, now I just feel sorry for you.

I'm the one who's insane but you live in some backwards bizarro world where BD is somehow outselling HD-DVD even though every article shows the facts?

Dude, you have to stop. HD-DVD is running away with this one and it's plain as day. You just can't figure out why and you're frustrated.

BD is getting one bad article after another, I can produce 50 of them if you'd like me to. Only one article I've found says BD is the way to go and it's a better value, and it's written by someone who works at Dell.

Give up, the !!!!!! in your posts are showing your frustration because you know I'm always right.

Yeah, you are always right. Bye...

I'm glad you can admit it. All you have to do is read the facts.

I am not a fan of HD-DVD, I'm just not a fan of Sony or any of their proprietary formats, in which case I have to support their enemy.

Both are DRM'd to death, which will probably kill both formats. Sales have cooled off across the board for both BD and HD-DVD.

I don't care if they both fail. You probably lose sleep over this silly format war, and you don't own either player.

I have both and don't care. I'm only out $200 bucks if they both fail because at least I have both gaming systems.

I don't hate the PS3, I wouldn't have bought on if I did, it seems rock solid and is on par with the 360. The graphics seemed to be a little washed and slightly blurred on the PS3 for some games compared to the 360.

You need to actually spend some money on your "hobby" before you mouth off and post links you have nothing to do with.

I don't know if you know this but movie companies are all about money, nothing else. If they aren't making money with BD movies, they will all go to HD-DVD. Same goes for the opposite. The difference is HD-DVD movie titles are outselling BD by an average of 8 to 1.

You don't think the companies that are backing BD are sitting around saying "things will get better"? They are pacing the floor, trying to figure out when to fire the business analysts who convinced the CEO that BD would win the war.

Meanwhile, the HD-DVD camp is sitting back smiling because they have less backers, but Microsoft is in their corner. Have you heard of them?

All I know as of right now. According to the local stores around here. Everyone wants the PS3 or the Wii, no one is even taking a glance at the XBOX360. The Local Gamestop said they havn't sold a 360 in over a week. But people come in daily looking for a Wii or PS3 shipment.

Look at this: http://pulse.ebay.com/. Xbox 360 is the 2nd most searched word in eBay. PS3 and (sadly) Wii didn't even make it on the top ten list. If you don't wont to go there here's the list:

1. elmo tmx
2. xbox 360
3. ipod
4. tickle me elmo
5. halloween
6. ipod nano
7. psp
8. louis vuitton
9. coach
10. halloween costumes

Last week it was "nobody wants PS3 to play, selling them on ebay", this week it's PS3 is not in the top 10 searches on ebay.

Which is it? You can have your arugments both ways..

The bottom line, is don't look here for anything unbiased..

Same in our local BestBuy, PS3 and WII are the hot property, XBox360 is last years news, it's got a small resurgance with Gears or War, but it's a still last years news...

The HD-DVD add on is completely sold out again, what a shame Dave.

You can actually grt your hands on a PS3 these days, tonight the local Wal Mart had them on display. That pretty much shows how interest in the console is fading fast.

I find myself playing the 360 way more than the PS3, Need for Speed is pretty wicked with the force feedback driving wheel.

My shadow again, love it.

I saw a 20GB PS3 go for $475.00 today, what a money maker. eBay won't let you cancel an an auction if it has less than 12 hours to go and there are any bids.

It said free shipping so the owner got hosed for both the shipping charges and lost 20 on the console.

You would figure prices would be at a premium right before Christmas, but the secondary market has gone cold.

Something tells me the PS3 is not the messiah for BD. Right Dave?

You can always tell a genuine Hollywood post by the

www.thedvdwars.com
www.gamesystemwars.com
www.nexgenwars.com
and
www.thelookandsoundofperfect.com

links

That's because GameStop employees are told to downplay the 360 until more PS3's are available.

I was in a store in Miami and all the idiot behind the counter would talk about was the PS3. My freind, who can get anyone to admit anything argued with him for about fifteen minutes until he came out and said they are told by management to do so.

I also asked him if they work on commission, he said no. That's when I grabbed a 360, the HD-DVD add-on and the force feedback wheel and brought it back with me.

Best Buy does the same thing with Blu-Ray. And I called the salesman on it right in the crowded Magnolia section. People were laughing because I was asking him questions he didn't know the answers to. These are supposed to be the "experts" at BB. What a bunch of clowns.

The 360 is still selling a solid 100,000 units a day. That means in five days, they sell more than all of the PS3's on the planet.

You guys need to do your homework. People are buying 360's out of aggravation of Sony's shortages.

It has cost them dearly and Microsoft couldn't be happier.

What's up everyone? I see I've already been posting in here.

I just came across some very interesting articles, here are the titles.

Countdown to Christmas: Next-gen consoles, Zune - and the end of Blu-ray

Optical HD Battle May Be Over: HD DVD Wins

and my favorite

Report: Bad buzz for Blu-ray (hope for HD DVD)

I love it.

www.thedvdwars.com
www.nexgenwars.com
www.gamesystemwars.com

I just checked Amazon again, not one HD-DVD add on to be had. How interesting. Someone here said they wouldn't sell any of these because people don't want to watch movies on their game console.

I also dont think the real Mark or Dave are coming back. I drove them insane, they are drooling all over themselves in a corner, wearing a straight jacket. Poor bas****s shouldn't have bet the farm on the success of BD.

DaveBG posted just a day or two ago on Neowin, I think he's moved over there now. Of course it was the same tired, retarded trolling that he always did here only now he has a fresh audience.

PS3 supply cannot keep up with demand, it's the hottest product this holiday season. Why should someone settle for 2nd or 3rd best?

Blu-Ray sales are gaining day on day, don't believe the false data on dvdwars, the site owner has already been caught out posting dodgy data.

Caught by who? He reset some things because he found that they may not have been accurate. That should have given Blu-ray the benefit of an even start.

Eat this:
http://www.variety.com/a...ategoryid=1009&cs=1

Eat this:
"whether buyers want one or not, there's no way to tell whether that lead will translate into DVD sales for studios."

next

"Why should someone settle for 2nd or 3rd best?"

Exactly! Technically the PS3 is still 3rd in sales. 360 in first, Wii second and PS3 last.

Hey Dave,

You can at least sound like me when you post in my name.

Get some practice.

Alright, enough of this posing in my name!

I know Microsoft is selling about 110,000 consoles a day and the add-on HD-DVD is sold out at Amazon, you don't have to repeat it! I can read the news at www.nexgenwars.com and www.thedvdwars.com

Geez.

Let's just keep in mind, Sony will have plenty of consoles in the stores by July, you just wait and see what happens then. I know the Nov. 17th release didnt do anything for Blu_Ray's movie sales. As a matter of fact , they have gone down, but no matter.

BD will win the war and the PS3 will overtake the 360. It has to, or I will look like a complete idiot.

"or I will look like a complete idiot."

Too late.

I can agree with the single paragraph after Geez.

But I seriously doubt the PS3 is going to have a big impact on bluray. I will certainly buy one for bluray, but not a day before HD-DVD's last days are visible.

I still think the big market for it will be gamers and they will use it for games. By the time it is widely available, what will the price of stand alone players be?

Yeah... Its unfortunate we share the same name... He's making me look bad.. giving me a bad name and all.

Mark, please refrain from posting. Thanks.

I agree Shadow Marky

How on earth is Sony planning on selling six million consoles in less than four months, when they couldn't even ship one million during the holiday season? Seriously, this made me laugh pretty hard. Another arrogant and misguided projection by Sony. I mean, if they had said "Sony planning to ship six million consoles by March" maybe I would have believed it, and that's a huge maybe. But to proclaim selling, not just shipping six million units, that's just pure arrogance. Who on earth is going to buy these $600 pieces of junk? Most of the hardcore fanboys already had their fill, the rest of the console buyers aren't stupid enough to throw away $600 on a PS3. Please feel free to flame me, but I'll be back at the end of March to laugh at all the Sony fanboys some more. :)

This evening at the store the PS3 was in stock and the Wii was sold out. That should say something!

The best buy near me had the PS3 runnign, too bad it froze on that new racing game.

EDIT: Went last night to another best buy 3 miles from the other one, and that one had the same exact game frozen too.

The local store I saw had 10 Xbox360's, all of them had the red rings of death...

Wow 10 xbox 360s fully running, thats amazing.

To bad you can't prove that. Why don't you take your camera phone and take a picture. I'll believe it when I see it.

It's just as unsubstantiated as Plague201's claims of frozen games. Funny he has seen 2, yet it's not been reported anywhere of any major reliability issues with PS3..

There were plenty of Microsoft fanbois claiming PS3s would be overheating and noisy, with big problems with store demo units. None of this has materialised....

That's right.

But you forgot to link all the sites that show BD is losing big time.

Maybe next time.

That's not true Mr. Hollywood, if that is your real name.

plague has personally told me of countless house fires caused by PS3's and first gen BD players. It's all over the news.

Sony is supposed to file for bankruptcy some time in January.

Yeah plague,

10 360's all running in one store. They are getting desperate, but no matter. We can read the facts over at www.thedvdwars.com

Dave is mad because I stole his name and he still can't figure out how I did it.

Sony is the biggest bunch of liars. I've had it up to here with their broken promises. You guys said the 360 would sell like crazy this holiday season and you were right.

There have been something like 1.4 million 360's sold since the PS3 was released. I've been checking out www.thedvdwars.com as well.

It doesn't look good for Blu-Ray.

Thanks for the link, it was very informative.

True, I even had to go out and buy myself an XBOX due to the shortage.... even though I'm a Sony loving freak, I couldn't wait. I'm not going to buy the HD-DVD drive though due to the poor visual quality. BluRays grainy display feature is really cool when you get used to it... Sony will soon be releasing special 3D glasses to go with the Bluray players - it will allow "Grainview"TM subliminal messaging to appear in the display which will advertise many of Sony's fine and yet to be released explodingly cool products.

I concur

"it will allow "Grainview"TM subliminal messaging "
LMAO, man Shadow Marky cracks me up.

PS3 shipments now seem to be flowing smoothly, I don't doubt they will have 6 million by April, included in those, will be a large stockpile for the European lanuch.

Whilst there have been broken promises, things are now finally happening in PS3 land, the initial games are looking good for Gen1 launch titles, Blu-Ray playback is looking stunning on VC1 encoded 50GB discs, and the Playstation Network is coming together quickly.

Hi Mark! My deviously disguised brother.

Hi Mark, my more handsome triplet.

I agree with fake Hollywood.

Hi my shadow-like predecessor. Can't wait for Sony and Microsoft to make a new console that supports Blu-Ray and HD-DVD...

Hi Mark my, oh wait.... [face turns red]

Wait, is that shadow shadow Mark or just plain shadow Mark. There are a couple shadow shadow shadow Hollywoods too.

Come think of it, there are shadow Daves too. The real Dave posts as shadow Hollywood. The real Hollywood posts as shadow shadow Mark and Shadow Dave.

Are you getting all this?

From my visits to six or seven major retailers in the eastern Virginia region, I can say that Nintendo Wii is flying off the shelves at double the rate PS3 is. In fact, it seems Wii sales are increasing. Of course, that's anecdotal and only within a limited geographic region.

They speak of bringing down the cost of manufacturing as if it is a benefit to the consumer. A price cut is a very long ways away.

The PS3 is pricey, worth it, IMHO, but pricey nevertheless. I'm sure as soon as Sony can drop that price, they will do that, and continue to keep the same losses per console, at least for the short term.

There's only 1 way I see it being worth that price and that is if you want a bluray player. Its certainly the most feature rich and least expensive available.

If you want a game console and aren't concerned with bluray/hd-dvd, then its not worth $500 or $600

I highly doubt that Sony plans to maintain the same loss per unit, sorry.

I'm sure this isn't just a ploy by Sony to try and delay people from buying a Wii or 360 over the holidays. "Seriously everyone, we'll have plenty of PS3s really soon! Honest!" I mean it's not like Sony would lie.

hahahahahahaha good one. Best post in this thread for sure. Sony would tell you the sky is green and birds live underwater, if it convinced you to wait another 6 months for their crappy PS3.

I can't help but notice they still only said "sell six million consoles...", not necessarily produce or ship them.

So maybe they are including the pre-order backlog? Its definitely more than possible.

The problem with this is the fact that so many promises were made in the past regarding PS3 that ended up being broken. Even if it is the truth, how many people at this point aren't at least a hint reluctant to believe this will actually be the case?

Again, maybe they'll do it this time; in fact they need to do it this time. At this point, sony cannot afford to make any more empty promises--they have lost the trust of many already, and believe it or not, even Mark will eventually start gradually withdrawing from sony support, IMO, if sony does nothing but make empty promises to the consumers. Am I mistaken in assuming this, Mark?

If I were at sony, I'd say this: quit making comments about any figures, unless they are so very 100% absolutely sure that if a meteorite destroyed one of the PS3 production factories, they could STILL pull it off. Sony cannot afford to come short. With this promise, they had better be able to deliver...even fanboys can only be lied to so many times before they catch on.

I originally hated sony for the rootkit fiasco, but I'm realising that sony's death will be a bad thing in the long run no matter who you are, because less competition=higher prices. I am actually going to say that I do HOPE sony gets their act together, because if they don't, they could be in some serious financial trouble. They must have spent equivilent to millions and millions of USD on this PS3, heck the CPU is bigger than any server CPU on the market! A _complete_ PS3 failure could actually put sony close to their demise, just because they wouldn't get any return on their already huge invesment. I truley hope sony has learned from this and continues to learn for ours and their own good.

I read on Joystick that SOny might not even be able to stick to their MArch release for Europe. This was just a rumor, but still.

BS...

http://www.engadget.com/...pean-ps3-delay-not-true/

key word "rumor".

Wait a sec that article is from October, I'm talking a recent like 1-2 days ago rumor

It doesn't matter anyway. Until we actually hear that units have been shipped to stores in Europe or the launch actually takes place, its all subject to being changed.

I want a non-blueray version. Why not give a normal drive with upgrade-ability like xbox?

hell, if MS wanted to, they could even have a blueray add-on like the hd-dvd add-on

Sure, but as soon as you ship 1 single PS3 without a Blu-Ray drive, then all other PS3 is crippled because it has to support DVD.

The beauty of the PS3, something which WII or XBox360 can match, is that even the most basic PS3 units have a Hard Disk, and Blu-Ray drive, means that every game can be coded to take full potential of these features. As soon as you split your product range, you start start having to make compromises...

I am glad Sony have stuck to their original plan...

So that the games can be huge.
If the PS3 comes with a DVD drive and a Blueray add-on they can't manufacture games bigger than DVD without a huge revolt of people.

"every game can be coded to take full potential of these features."

You've convinced me entirely...
http://www.joystiq.com/2...xbox-360-vs-ps3-screens

Oblivion is a huge game on the 360. I dont see the advantage to HD-DVD or bluray in video games. Unless they expect to wow us with nothing but full motion videos... ofcourse those lost their glamour about 5 years ago, atleast for me.

Shhh, don't let the secret out that it takes no more storage space to render higher resolution gameplay.

Tee hee, ok

As it's been pointed out by others here, the Xbox screens linked have static pixmaps, the PS3 has relatime rendered textures, so showing a static screenshot is VERY deceiving..

As for storage sizes, these are launch titles, lets wind forward to next year, Xbox360 will still be stuck with it's low def textures, PS3 has plenty of room for big HD textures.

Are you suggesting HD textures and LowDef textures take up the same storage space? Are you on mind altering drugs?

"HD textures"? Oh, you mean the high resolution kind that we have already had in games for years and that if need be are easily compressed so that a DVD and sometimes even a CD is more than enough storage space.

I posted a link in one of the older PS3 or Xbox360 posts a couple months ago. There was a post on another site about better compression techniques for high resolution textures that will probably be available sometime in the not so distant future that the 360 could easily take advantage off with an update. Texture space will not be a problem for the 360. And they look pretty good right now. This argument is old and will not be an issue.

How do you justify a great game like Oblivion? 100+ hours of game time, and excellent HD textures all in 1 DVD.

EDIT: thats what I thought... you can't

static pixmaps?
What do you mean, and how do you prove it?

"PS3 has plenty of room for big HD textures."
Again explain why Oblivion can do so much in 1 DVD.

Why don't you review history. Original Xbox games got bigger as far as the actuall in game content was concerned, but smaller on the disc.

Also - For the very few titles that could exceed the limit, they'll just release it on 2 discs. I know it would be awful to have to get up after 50 hours of gameplay and swap the disc, but thats the suffereing of being a 360 owner.

And for the record - I am so sick of Sony supporters making it sound like bluray was included for the benefit of gaming. If HD-DVD was included in the 360, I'd be fine with it, but I'd very well admit that it would have not had a thing to do with gaming.

"they'll just release it on 2 discs"

DOn't forget Sony introduced the 4 disk games on the PS-X with FF7.

Oblivion is on 1 DVD, I think its safe to say they are safe for a while.

6 million unit by March? So in 3 months they expect to sell 5+ millions unit at $500~600 a piece. So they expect a $3 billion in sales from PS3 by first qrt of 2007.

When you put it that way, it sounds like a lot :).

Thats almost as bad as sony claining they were going to have 5-6 million at launch about a 8 months ago.

Blu-Ray HD-DVD hurff burff

Why should anyone trust a word of what Sony states?

DRM on CD's: They lied to us. Over and over again. They installed malware and they live on in the marketplace.
PS3: They lied to us over and over again the features, availability, release date.
Blu-Ray: Tied to it's otherwise great gaming system, it's bogging the system's affordability down.

^^^ I've lied before, as has you. So that means not a single word you or I say can be trusted. Right???

You shouldn't. It's an organization run by marketing, spewing hyperbole, and buying into its own message of invincibility. That's what many dead companies have done in history. (Enron?)

Well, lying more than once about the same issue even after having been caught in lies before regarding this console--this is a problem.

Yes, I have lied before, even on the forums I must admit I have lied before. Thing is, I do not try to make a habit of it (e.g., I have lied, but I am not a 'liar'. Whether or not one would consider Sony liars is technically depending on your point of view, but with enough lies eventually nearly all of their base could stop believing them.), see what I'm saying?

" They installed malware"

Oh, please they did nothing of the sort, it's rabid Sony haters like yourself that make this place a laughing stock..

Rootkits ARE NOT malware...

"PS3: They lied to us over and over again the features"

The features have not changed on PS3 (except for the addition of HDMI 1.3 port on the basic).

I wont go into details because I'm feeling lazy right now and dont want to go through websites to prove my point. But I know that Sony over promised on the PS3 features a year back, and has since lowered them.

"Rootkits ARE NOT malware..."

What are they then? Please educate us.

LIES!! i tell you lies!

"Rootkits ARE NOT malware..."

When someone secretly installs low level software on your computer that conceals itself from the OS and compromises your system's security, what else do you call it? When Sony said "Most people don't know what a rootkit is so why should they care about it" they were obviously talking about you.

Are you trying to say that an individual lying about something and company like Sony doing it to sell their product is the same thing? I don't know about anyone else but I hold major corporations to a slightly higher standard than some schmuck like you or me on a forum. Sony has proven that they will lie right to consumer's faces so why should I expect any more from them now?

"Rootkits ARE NOT malware..."

lol

Ok. Sure. Whatever. I suppose rootkits are "goodware"? So, you don't mind having things installed on your machine without you (a) knowing and (b) approving? You must be insane.

Rootkits are code than can conceal themselves from the OS, these COULD be malicious, or something legitimate, like DRM enforcement.

Malicious means it does something bad, what did the Sony rootkit do that was bad? People got pissy because it enforced copy protection, but it certainly was not a virus, spyware or malware.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rootkit

Not goodware, but neither are they necessarily malware...

So if you boss installs monitoring software on your work PC, say to monitor your PC use, are you suggesting he is installing Malware?

I think not, whilst it may be lawfully wrong, it's not malware...

Installed without consent and hidden from the OS = malware, malicious or not.

I didn't know Sony was my boss, and I didn't know my home PC was any of their business. In the situation you described though if the worker actually owns it and the boss puts some type of spying program on there without the workers permission than yes he is absolutely installing malware.

Did you know virus authors could use the rootkit on Sony's CDs to completely hide their viruses from the OS and antivirus programs? I'm sure Sony BMG thought all about that though in their quest to stop those evil people from ripping their own legally owned CDs. Nope, actually they didn't give a rat's behind. Even after it all came out they tried to stand behind their decision for a long time. In any event, a company secretly installing hidden files on your PC that can jeopardize it's security is WRONG. You can rant until you are blue in the face trying to defend them but it is still going to be wrong. If you'll recall the the courts agreed and Sony paid the price.

"People got pissy because it enforced copy protection"

No, people got pissy because the rootkit was installed even if you did NOT agree to the EULA. Meaning, it was installed no matter what, even if you declined. Rootkits are in fact malware in 99.9% of all cases, because they're almost always exploited. Just because Sony themselves did not use it in a malicious way, it doesn't mean others wouldn't exploit it. The fact is, Sony installed something on people's computers, with or without their permission. This something was dangerous enough that others could easily abuse it. If I remember correctly, you could prefix the name of any file or folder with $sys$ or something similar in order to completely hide it from the operating system. I would call that very malicious.

When Microsoft makes a mistake like this, where they unintentionally provide an avenue for hackers and malware makers, everybody goes nuts over it and the flaming and complaining never stops. Should Sony be treated any different? I don't think so.

Talk about spinning.

Considering a boss probably has the authority (and legal right) to put monitoring software on company hardware, it wouldn't matter to me. I don't own the said pc. Course I'd like to know so I don't get busted wasting 3 hours of my day at Fark. Then again, I'm not an office monkey, so what my bosses do doesn't affect me.

"I think not, whilst it may be lawfully wrong, it's not malware..."

Wait, so it can be illegal, but still okay since it's not "malware"? Well that makes it perfectly fine! Sony has no excuse for the rootkit.

Not true, it has to be malicious to be malware, that's where the MAL comes from.. duh, some people here are really thick..

"Mostly" Against the Law. If this was not a sneak attack, why not spell it out up front and let us make the final decision on what we wish to install in our computers?
But I guess that's ok. They are a big corporation, not some teenager playing hack.

You are correct, my point was that being installed without consent and being hidden made it malware regardless of what the software does.

Sorry, we all can't as smart as you...

"The features have not changed on PS3"

Changes since the first announced PS3 to the current PS3:
- 2 HDMI's, currently one
- 3 Eithernet ports with a switch (or roughter, I can't remember for sure), currently one
- 6 USB ports, currently 4

Here's a link from Gamespot.com: http://www.gamespot.com/news/6149552.html?page=5

Also they laughed at Microsoft for coming out with 2 versions of the 360, then they turned around and did it them selves.

It also reminds me of when they said that the PS2 was supposed to have "Toy Story" like graphics. Have you seen any that good? I haven't.

Awesome bob, I was certain on the lowered features . I just didnt want to do the research, thanks.

Spinning.......................