Ken Kutaragi said the November launch will be worldwide, sony will unleash one million units per month with a total of six million units by the end of the fiscal year March 2007.Kutaragi confirmed that a 60GB hard drive, which will support Linux, will ship with the system out of the box. The PS3 will be 100% backwards compatible with PS1 and PS2 games. Furthermore, it will upscale old games into high defintion.

eitherway you look at it the 360 has huge advantages now over ps3 the ps3 fan base will dwindle due to the fans who only got it because it was there first also the huge amount of next gen titles that will be available for the 360 compared to the ps3 and from what i hear ms is really trying to burn sony a £100 drop in price dont know the dollar equivalent and halo 3 released on the same day as there launch ouch i dont care how hot there system is if i can get a 360 and halo 3 for under 180 and the ps3 realistically will cost at least 300 400 i know where i would lay my bed.

I totally agree

I am really considering buying a Xbox 360 and i hate microsoft. Sony really needs to get it's act together. I have been a PS loyalist since it hit the seen many moons ago. I am really disappointed.

ps3 is going to have bsd.
for xbox360 there will be need for a lot more hacks ,chips and mods in order to run an os.

Xbox already has an OS, hail windows =)

I heard that the PS3 is being delayed because of the Blu Ray chip problem....
I would prefer using the Ps3 for games and a separate DVD player for Blu Ray

I laugh at Sony. They are getting what they deserve.

Features will be cut to save on costs, don't be naive to think for a second they won't. This is Sony they suck period.

If you want a new system this year better buy an X-Box 360.

Funny thing Is that I can't decide who I dislike the most, Sony or Microsoft.

Hmm, that is exactly what Microsoft did with XBox360. it's acutally half of what it was on paper. PS3 is delayed BECAUSE there are no feature cuts.

If Sony had decided to complete with Microsoft, the PS3 would be with us already, as it's not it's going to be ready, when it's ready, in it's full spec, not a half baked product like the XBox360..

You may be laughing at Sony, but Microsoft are laughing at you. You still bought their console, even after they ripped out all the good stuff, and cut it's perfornace to a fraction of what that original specs were...

Well Mark let me tell ya, Microsoft is laughing hard on its way to the bank.

Right now we have 1 next gen Console, and 2 vaporwares.

The only big spec cut on the 360 was the HD-DVD drive, and it was due to production delays on the HD-DVD drives. Besides, their current DVD-ROMs can hold up to 14gigs of data, which is more than enough for games.

Keep waiting for the PS3, ill be here playing ElderScrolls on my 360.

BTW Always remember something. Toy Story was supposed to be rendered in real time on the PS2. WHAT HAPPEND?

im skeptical if market for products like gaming console, ipod ,computer, mobile phone will 'ever' saturate.
People will buy stuff with higher, better or more features.
compared to xbox360 ps3 has got better features

You really think you can make the case to good ol mom and pop going to the store to buy a game console for their child? Non tech ppl will just look at you dumbfounded when you try to explain to them this. In essense it will be up to the sales associate on what he is willing to push. Also the price tag on both systems would be a very big factor.(since its common knowledge that the PS3 will be more expensive than what the 360 is right now, and that the 360 will have a price drop when the PS3 is released)

A system can have all the features in the world, but in the end its the software and the quality of it that will determine wether it makes it or not.

i don't think what i said is technical or hard to understand,

non technical people can understand more ghz(thx to intel inside campaign), so i don't think it is going to be hard to understand more cores(more processor for them). more capacity is also very easy to understand.

Again it all depends on who is selling it.

Again more Ghz does not equal more computing power, as AMD has shown.

I have yet to see any realworld example of how the PS3 is superior to the 360. tech specs is one thing, so the overhyping.(remember the hype of how the PS2 could render toystory in realtime?).

Until we can get the same game running on both machines and see what advantages either has, we have no proof that the xbox or the PS3 is superior. The only thing we have right now is that the 360 is in the market and the PS3 has not even began manufacturing.

From a stand point as a programmer, 9 Cores or 3 cores or 2 cores, is just alot of promise right now with absolutly NOTHING as far as gaming to show for it.

"im skeptical if market for products like gaming console, ipod ,computer, mobile phone will 'ever' saturate."

You must not have been around in 1983-84 then. :D

i own an amd64,
you will have to agree on the fact that intel has been selling so many pentiums on the basis of more ghz = more power,

i know that is wrong and yes amd has shown that but for non technical people ghz is easier to understand than pipeline stages ,cache and other stuff.

For those of you thinking the ps3 isnt going to have the same heat issues the 360 is are just plaing ignoring the facts. The people who are having the heat issues with their 360s i could almost gurantee you have it in some place with little ventilation. Think of the processing 9 cores(umm fat chance that will run cool). Now add in the video card and you have a heater much like the 360 is. If you doubt these things just look at the computer side and see how "cool" they run for both the 360 and what equip the ps3 will have in it.

i share your concerns,
though im touching heatsink of my amd64, it is pretty cool(around 46-50)

But a computer case has better ventilation and cooling solutions that a compact gaming console does. Also is single core if not 2 core not 9 in a small enclosure plus a very high end video card with still no room. All high end video cards run hot and have large cooling solutions while the 360 and ps3 have the same cards and cutting edge processors and little room for large cooling solutions and airflow.

Yes this is a big concern. Specially given the fact that they are going to a VERY VERY SLIM form factor. Look at the problems that the PS2 Slimversion had with overheating.

Try touching a P4 heatsink =p

i agree with you (earlier i was just joking :-))

when i saw that design i too thought where the hell they are going to put heatsinks and huge fan(apple dumped power pc(for notebooks) because of the heating problems).
but guys we are talking about products from big corporation the are not going to make such mistakes.

Not make mistakes?

Does the PSX ring a bell? I have seen ppl who have returned that thing 2 or 3 times due to Heating problems breaking the thing.

To be cutting edge you some times have to sacrifice look for performance & reliability. In the console market they have gone away from that and try to stick stuff in small good looking boxes while sacrificing performance and reliability.

I bet this is the main reason for the delay. They built the things and when developers tried using them they started melting. :D

i cant wait until Sony releases its console with a hefty $800+ price tag on it .... then will see what the "fanboys" have to say about it :)

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Funny how it will be released for well under $800, though.

You read the article, right?

Let me break it out for ya:

"could push the bill of materials to as much as $800 USD"

Bill.
Of.
Materials.

Not sale price.

Not retail price.

Not suggested MSRP.

Clear on that now? $800 *might* be what it will cost to make it...they don't even know for sure. But they make no guessess (and neither should you) about it's retail price.

Considering the XBox is selling at a loss, I am sure the PS3 wil do likewise.

That evil laugh may be a tad premature.

yeah, but remember .... whats the price on the
"cheapest"
B-Ray player announced to date ???

yup ... around those 800 too ...

but the PS3 is not only a "player" ... it also runs games among other things ....

add those "other" features to the "bill of materials" and am almost certain it will easily stay on the 800-900 barrier :) ....
(that is considering sony is willing to loose on each console sold just as MS is doing of course)

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which also sucks for me cuz i was holding for this system too :P

I wouldn't read much into it. The cost in the article above is from a firm outside of Sony. It's guess, and not even one Sony is making.

I couldn't care less, because I'm not buying one, but I still think it's way to early to start throwing prices around.

What i find more intreging is that they might be delayed past this holiday season. This is VERY bad news for $ony. M$ will have 2 holiday seasons over $ony. And on top of this HD DVD players will be sold for over 8 months as well. $ony NEEDS to release the PS3 sooner than that for the sake of their blu-ray technology, and also to compete with the 360.

$ony has its pluses, but they are really going to hit dirt if they dont realease the PS3 by Novermber of 2006.

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Excellent...

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*wrings hands*

Quit grovelling Mr. Smithers!!

" but how they work together in the machine will be the ultimate decision maker"

9 core = more power = better graphics
BD = extra capacity = high definition pics,videos and no need for compression

u still think that some how they will make some mistake that this console will have bad performance ????

i know that there could be some glitches, there always are in something new.

but i know one thing that when it comes to gaming we are moving to games with better and better graphics,

ask yourself that exactly which machine can deliver better performance.

as far as market saturation is concerned, if people can replace their mobile phone, ipod's,and computers i don't get why they are not going to buy a more powerful ps3.

we are not talking about things like refrigerator we have one and don't need to replace that for years, computers cameras phones ipod's these things are different we replace them lot sooner ,

there are many people(in BN) who have got more than one generation of ipod, exactly what made you buy another one ??????

I wish ppl would take a programming class before issuing the CREDO as to what the PS3 can do with its UBER 9 cores.

Sure 9 cores sounds great on the surface, however the Software development industry has been slow in adopting multicore software development.

having multiple cores = a synchronization nightmare.

Alot of game developers have gone on the record as far as saying that it will take a couple of years for multicore gaming to really make its mark. They have gone as far as saying that what can be hoped for the near future is to have 1 core deal with game mechanics and another core for AI.

You have to understand, that up until a few months ago, everything was thought of in a single lane(perse) path. GameDevs hated using multithread cause of the overhead and unless totally necesary they never implemented it in their games(necesary would be networking).

So we will have to wait for the Game Industry to rethink its development protocols before we really see what Multicore processing will really do for software in general.

Like others have said. ATM PS3 is vaporware. Until I see a running playable prototype ill continue to be very scheptic of it.

Also a side note, so far from what Ive heard from friends in the Industry, the SDK documentation for the PS3 is as bad as it was for the PS2. This is not a good sign at all, since it took devs quiet a while to get a hang of the PS2 language.

it would make much more sense to have multi-core processors now, even if the games don't need it yet, these consoles will be there for years to come.

This is true, however until it is a proven technology for gaming and it is ACTUALLY USED, it is nothing more than a punchline.

I say used, because even with the 360 there are no games right now in the market that use more than 1 core.

I believe the first one to hit the market to use 2 of the 3 cores will be Oblivion, but dont quote me on that.

Dont get me wrong there are MULTIPLE things that can be done with multiple cores. You can put ur game logic in one core, AI in another, and the physics in another. However the sychronization is a nightmare and with how the game industry works right now its more of do it quick (which means simple and proven) instead of how it should be in taking yuor time doing it right and with innovation.

so big companies like intel amd ibm sony are fool because they are moving toward multicores?

"I say used, because even with the 360 there are no games right now in the market that use more than 1 core."

so are there never going to be in future ?

I find it amusing that people are using this as saying that "the delay will lead to a more stable platform." You can test all you want to but until you get it out in the hands of the public
(many of whom don't know what they are doing) you really won't know how stable it is. By that time the xBox360 will already be proven (and the price will have probably dropped).

The first Playstation was cool, the PS2 I thought was good, until I got an xBox. Then I didn't even play the PS2 anymore.

Sony products either tend to be way overpriced compared to comprable items in the marketplace (walkman, trinitron, wega), or flat out failures (betamax). PS3 will be no different.

Back in 1986, I bought myself a 17-inch SONY Trinitron color TV, which cost a whopping $400 at the time.

It now sits in my bedroom, hooked up to cable and a DVD player and still works great.

Around 1990, SONY introduced their "ES" line of audio components and I purchased an integrated system with a CD player, dual tape deck and amplifier.

As I type this, I'm listening to a CD on that very system which still works great and provides me with features and options which are no longer part of most CD players.

When my wife's old clunky "Daewoo" died in September, we went out & bought a SONY 27-inch WEGA for the living room.

Check back with me about that set in 2026.

umm sony ES receivers are total garbage. It was 2 years ago the whole sony ES receiver lineup got recalled due to catching on fire with heat issues. Somehow these made it to the public. Those are produced for the ppl who only buy sony and are unfamilliar with quality home audio equipment. Their only real strength is in home av is with their displays. And even now they are deceptive with their 1080p SXRD's. Which have no 1080p input but have a 1080p display but tell anyone of the lack of getting the signal to the TV. Yeah, put all your eggs in sonys basket. I myself have a sony lcd tv, but they make a lotta stuff that isnt nearly as good but people buy it anyway based on their tv reputation.

PS if you buy anything that doesnt say panasonic/sony/toshiba/mitsubishi/hitachi/jvc as a TV you are stupid. I mean daewoo thats a leader product that is made from subpar parts. The fact you bought a daewoo says something in itself.

2026? What, does it do HD? No? Oh, so it's pretty much a paperweight. Nice purchase.

I'm no MS fan forsure but I do love the Xbox. MS kicked the crap outta Sony with Live, which I love, so I'm staying the course with the 360. I suspect at some point MS will include the HD-DVD in the 360. Perhaps the now premium system will become the core system and the HD-DVD will become the premium system or whatever. Who knows? It's all conjecture but kinda fun. I won't be buying anything until Halo 3 comes out anyways. Within the next few years I believe Nintendo will go the way of Sega, becoming a games producer and getting out of the hardware biz. At least here, North America, and in Europe. I don't really know how well Nintendo is intrenched in Asia. Only time will tell.

If you like the Playstation.....then you should have the nerve to wait for it right??????

Vice-Versa for the Xbox...the advantage-you can get it now!!

And that's what is exactly happening. This is why the XBox360 sales are so poor, people are waiting for PS3 and Revolution, if only because it will prompt a XBox360 price drop.

Only a fool would buy a console in a whilst we are still in a 1 horse race, with nothing to compare it to the competition, and a pricetag of whatever Microsoft want to charge

"This is why the XBox360 sales are so poor, people are waiting for PS3 and Revolution, if only because it will prompt a XBox360 price drop."

360 sales are poor partially because of the supply situation, and partially because there aren't any games worth a damn on it yet, besides Dead or Alive 4. Oblivion should spur sales, along with possibly Rumble Roses XX.

XBOX360 sales were low because Infineon decided they would supply two different grades of DDR3 memory. This article doesn't point this fact out, but basically instead of telling MS in advance, they just shipped DDR2 without asking and I guess they just expected MS not to notice (http://www.siliconvalley...technology/13864415.htm)

Thats total BS. The shelves are full of unsold XBox 360's over here, nobody wants them, the initial rush over Xmas has long gone, people have seen what the console is capable of, and are not impressed by the current batch of games.

WOW, please tell me where you live. Cuss I want 3 of them to make a little profit on ebay, but I can't seem to get my hands on even 1 >_< . They are all sold out over the LA county area. So I'm going to guess you live in Alaska...

Woolworths in the UK simply cannot sell them, the shelves are quite full. Game (the UK version of EB) also have plenty of stock that nobody wants.

Believe me, the console is bombing everyone outside the US.

nine cores is much much much much much much better than just 3.

Care to explain why? How they are better?

At plain sight sure more is better, BUT THERE IS ALOT MORE TO IT THAN JUST THAT.

Playstation 3 has just ONE general propose core. The other ones are specialized for streaming-like processing.

I love the idea of the playstation 3 having problems. It's not like the ps3 could be any real amount better then the xbox 360. All they will have going is blueray and no one really knows if that will work out anyway.

nine cores is much much much much much much better than just 3.
xbox has DVDs, PS3 is going to come with BD

Technically speaking, Yes! It is better, but how they work together in the machine will be the ultimate decision maker. With all the difficulties they are having, I can only be skeptical of purchasing the PS3 when it does come out in 2007. By that time, Xbox360 would have time to make adjustments and take even more of a lead.

The more games that would be out will also be a draw for the consumers around Xmas and their need or ability to wait for the PS3 will be nothing more than a pipe-dream. Sony will lose big - IMO. They need to get the thing out before Xmas in order to compete with the Xbox. 1yr behind is too much with the way in which technology goes.

I am looking forward to the PS3, but could possibly forego and purchase the xbox360 due to all the problems they are facing. It sounds as if they put the horse before the cart.

This is sad...
#1 Even though the games will be on BD disks, they wont use more than 1 layer of the disk. Since most games don't need more than 4-5 gigs anyways. Unless they are just overly flooded with video content, then I jsut wonder wahts left for the game :'(

#2 9 cores doesnt mean anything since they wont be used :/ I will be surprised if they even use 2 or 3 for the bulk of the games.

All in all the systems are going to be the same in my opinion. But $ony is in the bucket with all its delays over the blu-ray technology. And we still don't know what price it will be.

every year there is going to be a holiday season , and on the shelves of wall mart and kmart there is going to be Xbox360 and PS3, and PS3 is going to be a lot more powerful than xbox just because of that i think things are not going to be bad for sony in the years to come. and remember that PS3's failure in the market is going to be failure for IBM too , IBM being the supplier of the cell CPU, so that is why i think that PS3 is not going to be THAT expensive.

delay or a rumour , PS3 is going to be a huge success !

For Holiday 2006, you're going to have Xbox 360 with 80-120 titles, arcade titles, and bigger market saturation. At what point do you decide that $800 isn't worth it? I have a hard time at $400, but I got one. Yes, Sony will sell lots of them, but how many? It's not so bad that Sony won't lose as much, since the console will be sold at a loss... but if you don't sell enough of them, you don't get your money back on game licensing.

The Sony implosion is just so pathetic...

ps3 will cost around $500(do a search in google and u will find numbers lower than that).
look at how people are replacing their mobile phones with those having a bigger/better screen, memory, camera, etc.

when a kid with a XBox360 will find out that his friend has got a PS3 which is lot more powerful than the console he just bought,next season he will be in the line to buy PS3.

other than america there is japan, south korea and rest of asia, in this market xbox's sales are not good.

then there are sony loyalist.

fact is that xbox360 is is just little bit better than ps2.

i don't know that how long those people who have bought xbox are going to be able to resist PS3.

most of us upgrade our computers when the price is right and the chips are faster.
most of us replace our mobile phone when we see a newer feature is available in new mobile phones.
most of us replace our ipod's with newer generation.

then why is that people are not going to buy PS3 ?.

then PS3 is not just PS3 it is also gong to be a BD player too, are people going to stick with their VHS or DVD players ?

then i think PS3 is going to be even more cheaper than $500(number is claimed by big fin. companies like Morgan S.). IBM and Sony want more and more user base for Cell CPU and Blue Ray Disk, so are they going to be doing so by making PS3 expensive ?????????

Your understanding is pathetic. PS3 is not going to sell for $800 you idiot. That the component cost to Sony. It will retail much less than that, slightly more than XBox360 retail price.

lol, some people lack common sense to relize that.

"fact is that xbox360 is is just little bit better than ps2."

Wow, your an idiot. The xbox already blew the ps2 away 4 years ago. The graphics blew it away alone.

Oh, but being behind in sales, and now the cost is much higher; I can see them raising it more than initially expected, and the fact that it will be supposedly coming out after XMas and in spring of 2007(a time that most will have spent their money earlier).

There also will have to be some serious benefits to the unit(besides just saying 9 cores) in order to draw the consumer to it. Games, performance, graphics, use and all the downfalls of the xbox360 will have to be accounted for. There cannot be any margin of error, or they are sunk. IMO

"fact is that xbox360 is is just little bit better than ps2."

The first xBox was better than the Playstation2. I had both, Playstation sucks...

Yes, but your searches are based upon old facts, not the ones that likely will be. If there is a delay, those facts will change.

XBox will have a great edge over PS3! XBox360, is way better than the PS2 and you stating that really is idiotic. They are uncomparable and just your limited understanding and biased towards MS(seems). The only way in which to really see the differences on the P3 and 360 will be to put them side by side with similar games and under similar conditions. Only then!

It won't matter that there are 9 cores if they use games that don't utilize it or the graphic's engine. It better be obviously superior.

then why is that ps2 has bigger market share ?

are all those who have bought ps2 idiots .

what i have written and what you have posted is an OPINION !

Xbox bill of goods is $450-ish. Estimated bill of goods for listed ps3 according to prior articles = 850-1000 depending who you ask. So if it comes out at 800, 700, 600, whatever, it's in the same boat. However if they use the same loss leader margin, the likely price is ~800.

http://money.cnn.com/200...column_gaming/index.htm

"The suggested reason for this delay was the prohibitive cost of the PS3 – which Merrill estimated at a whopping $900 per unit, thanks to special memory chips required by the system and the PS3's Blu-Ray drive."

Shove that sausage in your ear.

The reason for PS2's large market share was the fact that it had such a large head start. Add in backward compatibility, and you also have a much larger starting library to choose from.

The 360 now has the head start, and like it or not, that is going to be a big plus for the 360 over the PS3. Will that sway previously loyal users of the PS2 to Microsoft's camp? Only time will tell. Though Sony's continually keeping everyone in the dark on the PS3's actual progress doe not help them any.

I am a huge Microsoft fan, and as such am likely a bit biased, but my vote goes with Microsoft and the 360 for the generation of consoles.

I love $ony. That is why I am going to buy 3 and sell them ALL on ebay when they come out. To people like anmol.2k4 that will buy any garbage that $ony distributes :-D , and since $ony is so great I can see myself cashing out at $1500 a pop, especially since i know PS3 fanboys are loaded with money!!

Ironically, the PS3 will do the same thing as the 360. Which makes you wonder if the wait is even worth it? I lvoe M$ too though. Dont quote me on this, but I've heard that Halo 3 will be out right when PS3 makes its debut. This is hysterical news for me. Because whether the game is released the day of the PS3 release or in November 2006, the 360 will be in a lot of households on this game alone.

I love how you throw random case studies at us ...

"ps3 will cost around $500(do a search in google and u will find numbers lower than that)." Give em a link because I haven't found anything cheaper.

"fact is that xbox360 is is just little bit better than ps2." This is my favorite :-D I don't know wheree your facts are, but I believe you :-P

"i don't know that how long those people who have bought xbox are going to be able to resist PS3." Forever, because whether it comes out this or next year, I will be seling all my pre-ordered PS3's on ebay. So yeah, I guess I can't wait to make thousands more on the systems by cashing them out to fanboys.

"then i think PS3 is going to be even more cheaper than $500" Dont count on it. And if it is at a competitive price with the 360, they are going to loose much more because of the post christmas launch

I love this post, thank you Hidden_Agenda. You pointed at a very crucial point, that the PS2 came out before the xbox. Yes the frame rates and overall performance is way better on the xbox. $ony fanboys wont admit to this, but jsut try playing GTA san Andreas without lagging up! on the PS2. Compare the game on both consoles and then state the facts. Either way, 360 has the lead this time around, and that will be $onys downfall. Two holiday seasons is way too much time for M$ to step over P$3.

no, im just saying that when comparing graphics the xbox already is alot more powerful than the PS2. (im not comparing games)

Even if a system is more powerful than another, it doesnt mean its going to be the most popular, like in the case of the xbox and ps2.

Plus ps2 was out well before the xbox (meaning xbox was newer with newer and faster components making it BETTER)

Yup, great point. Its so funny how they wont admit it.

I've always thought PS3's component choices to be very risky moves. Blu-ray + Cell are both too new and untested.

I agree they were a risk, but that is how you get ahead. Maybe too many new features in one unit, but - Oh Well!

It just sounds like Blue-ray is the problem though. If they are making players now and will be selling them in the coming month, then what is the deal with the PS3? Why is it different? Is this just Sony being overly protected of their content, or real compatible issues?

Does anyone else think this could benifit Nintendo the most should they get the Revolution out before PS3?

Yes; I actually expect Nintendo to sneak back into a close second.

Im thinking Nintendo will sneak to second also and have xbox 360 in the lead.

I agree with the analyst that said that Nintendo's Revolution could gain a huge market share by way of being many people's 2nd console (so to speak). More people will get a 360 and Rev. or a PS3 and Rev. than will get both the 360 and PS3.

http://biz.gamedaily.com...ustry/feature/?id=12061

I don't think it's a surprise about the delay, and I think it's most likely going to be true, but I also think a delay and the news coverage is going to add to the hype and marketability. Even a delay with this kind of publicity will be good news for Sony.

IMO delays like this don't build hype, they just make the product into a joke. It's not good news for Sony, it makes them look incompetant.

Why? Any publicity is good? Sorry; the more they concretely tell all of those HD owners that the only HD console is the 360, the fewer they'll sell.

Or it could mean they are not corporate wh***s like M$, who launched early to cash in in the holiday season.

I perfer my console in a "when it's ready" approach, rather than a half baked inbetween generations console.

I think it will be a gamble. A double edged sword?

Timing will be the key. If they wait too long and after Xmas2006, I feel it will hurt them. Those that had been waiting, could opt to buy the Xbox360 which was limited in supply earlier and will have a wide selection of games to choose from. Most of which will be the parents of kids that are doing the buying.

Mark, I hardly think they crashed! Maybe you could give me a source for this info. In spite of the heat issue that plagued the media, it was over-hyped. The Xbox360 was a very popular and hot item to buy. In all, people were very satisfied with it.

I also think it is funny that you are putting Sony above MS and not on the same level. Look back at the PS1 and PS2.

I am a Sony fan of their games, but I dislike their console and it has heat issues. It comes down to games and performance.

Actually 360's did crash. The only problem is that this was a very low percentage, but $ony fanboys make it appear like 50% of the systems crashed... It was probably more closely to 1-5% I defenitely see myself buying both systems because they all have thier excluasive releases. I dont care much for the blu-ray on the PS3 though, because Ill have an HD DVD player before that :-/

Weeee?

Surprise, surprise, surprise!

What about the whole "High def DVD formats require HDCP in order to prevent piracy and utilize their quality benefits and any monitor/television set that is not HDCP-enabled will have their resolution downgraded to xx% of its full potential"? Isn't this going to affect the games if they do indeed utilize this new technology? I ask because 98% of the customer base is still using either old tube-based television sets or have non-HDCP-enabled HDTV's. Wouldn't this degrade the performance and cause the overall enjoyment factor to diminish to less-than-appealing? I currently don't own any gaming systems aside from a GameBoy Advance SP because I am a PC gamer, and while I think Microsoft had a shoddy release of the 360, at least you didn't have to update your television to enjoy the next-gen games. I could be wrong on all this, but considering its become a hot topic in the video world, its only a matter of time before the gaming world will have to succumb to this ugly truth.

PlayStation Fanatics don’t care, they’re blinded by the Sony name for whatever reason.

100% (yah, 100) true.

Actually this issue about copy protection and downgrading is only relevant to movies, not gaming. But yeah, there won't be much of a need for a blu-ray PS3, because unless you have an HDTV and an HDMI connection (component cables dont have HDCP, therefore they automatically get downgraded), all the movies will be downgraded to the standard DVD resolution of 780x420. So PS3 owners are basically getting the same old DVD player from the PS2!!

This isn't even going to be a "generation" thing anymore. When that vaporware ps3 sees the light of day, 360 is halfway through its life. So what? If fanboys want to wait for PS3, please do. If Microsoft gets their units out soon (ordered mine today, no bundle, from KMart.com believe it or not), I think the top two positions will be s***ed.

The same thing happened with Sega and Sony. Sega pwned the market, Sonic the Hedgehog and all. Then they goofed hard on an overambitious console. Playstation popped its head in, and here we are. Oh, how history repeats itself.

If you're still looking for a 360, there's an easy place to find one - xbox360tracker.com. It worked for me! Platinum system shipped, no bundle. Patience is key!

Thanks for the 360 link, I ordered one myself, Thanks again. I just wanted to comment on sega, and its dreamcast. What made them go down was not overambition, it was a loss of sales due to piracy. Sega messed up hardcore, so much that they developed a gaming system that was easily cracked. Immagine a system where you can play bootleg games WITHOUT a mod-chip. Last I remember hearing is that sega was loosing %80 of their profits to piracy. It was actually a smart move on thier part to quit while there was still a company left. Ironically they went ahead and made games for Nintendo...

i am definetly going to wait for the PS3 heck after hearing about all the hardware failiures my friend is getting working with the tech support he is getting a day. at least with a delay theres a better chance there will be fewer hardware failiures with the PS3. other than that all this talk about the PS3 being delayed I am still wondering about the Nintendo Revolution

This is clearly just a rumor...shame on you betanews.com for spreading it.

Heh, yeah it may not have the facts that should be there to support it, however, it is a very widespread rumor, and I am not saying that all rumors are true, but if you heard that this person would rip you off, from several people, would you trust them with your money?

Yeah... it's just a rumor. You keep believing that.

We'll see how much of a rumor it is when the Christmas season comes around. Have fun trying to play your PS3 then. I foresee an empty spot on your entertainment center.

Of course, the other side of the coin, is that when the PS3 finally does arrive, it won't be a rushed out product, and your console will be very old hat.

Personally, I prefer to skip the inbetween xbox360 generation, the PS2 and PSP serve me well until the PS3 arrives.

Erm... yes, it is a rumor. By definition, these articles and postings are rumors until such time as a delay is actually confirmed by Sony. Then it will not be a rumor: it will be fact.

"PS3 is delayed!" is quickly becoming a meme powered by itself, much like "Xbox is huge!" The difference is, "PS3 is delayed!" is far more annoying, given the amount of news site coverage it's getting.

what company in their right mind would confirm a "rumor" that affects them directly ....
DUUUUUUUUURRRRRRRRRRR
remember the rumor a few days back that the console would be delayed past spring ???
is almost spring .... do i see a console in the next 3 months ???? NOT !!!
did sony ever confirm this ....
( see above response )

Im all up for the delay if it mean:
1) More stable ps3
2) More launch line up
3) More stocks to go around
4) launch of the PLaystation HUb
5) More Movies
6) Developer's will have more time
7) and all the other goodies

I'm all up for the delay if it means Blu-Ray and Sony will die a horrible agonizing death and we'll never have to hear about their overpriced proprietary garbage again. That probably won't happen but I can always dream.

There are allot of Sony freaks in denial.

Apparently you assume I own or plan to own an XBox 360. I might buy an XBox 360, but not until the price comes down... ...a lot.

And actually, from all of this news, it sounds like they are still rushing in every sense. They just can't get the technology working to an acceptable level yet.

A rumor isn't just a rumor if it is also true.

...see what I'm saying?

in fourteen days i'll be playing elder scrolls iv. i guess we both win?

here's a cookie.

HD-DVD mainly benefits record companies by lowering their production costs while Blu-Ray mainly benefits consumers with its higher quality video and extra capacity. The extra capacity on Blu-Ray discs is probably going to be needed if movie studios plan on storing lossless compressed 96KHz 24-bit surround audio and 1080i or 1080p video on the disc.

Interested to know twhat you mean by "overpriced proprietary garbage"

Yah, when the Christmas season comes and goes without a single PS3 in stores or in a house.

Except we don't know if it's not true. Ergo, it's a rumor.

See what I'm saying?

Overpriced as in they charge a fortune for their stuff. Proprietary as in Sony loves to come out with stuff that only works with Sony products (UMD, memory sticks, etc). Garbage is self-explanatory.

Blu-Ray and HD-DVD both use the exact same codecs, and the extra space on Blu-Ray was already pointed out useless for movies since they won't need that much. It's going to cost much more and that definately doesn't benefit the consumer. My money is on HD-DVD, I believe Blu-Ray will fail in the market.

Movie studios are all about being cheap and saving money just like the record companies. SACD's sounded better than DVD-Audio discs but record companies chose to go with DVD-Audio in most cases because they could cut costs since DVD-Audio used PCM. This meant that some or all of the channels could contain audio sampled at 48KHz which is clearly not high resolution.

Hybrid SACD's were also 100% compatible with the CD audio spec but again the record companies chose a new standard (the DualDisc) which sacrificed compatibility with CD audio because it saved them money.

And the winner of the "I don't get it so I'll try reiteration" Olympics is:

*drum roll*

...well you know.

I jsut bought a 360 today, I ahve no regrets. It's not a first generation syste, anymore. The glitches are worked out and I enjoy my copy of Perfect dark.

Nice comeback, i get it :-D. amed the 360 has all of what you've mentioned, and anythign it's lacking it will DEFINETLY have by the time the PS3 is out. My concern would only be the unstable system, but the glitches are fixed now (3rd generation), go buy a 360 with confidense :-D

"I believe Blu-Ray will fail in the market. " I fully agree with this statment, and the PS3 delay is making this an even greater reality. And I'm defintely buying an HD DVD player on the 28th with CONFIDENCE.

If a rumor turns out to be true then its a fact!

lol. yes thier is.

Its so sad that its a fact.

It's a shame the rest of the industry disagree with you. If you look at the industry news, it's widely accepted that Blu-Ray will win, as it holds all the trump card..

Better specs
More Hardware Manufacturers onboard
More Movie studios onboard
More media companies onboard

Infact many HD-DVD only camps are now becoming Blu-Ray aswell, as they can see all this happening, and don't want to be left out...

Actually, I wont have an empty space, my PS2 will do nicely until PS3 comes along. :)