Hey at that price Ill buy 10...Not

The true irony, as all of you adolescents wrestle in the sandbox, is that the MAJORITY of the market is going to ignore ALL of you and not buy any of the overpriced toys!!

PS3 Pricing is good. Whilst even the basic version may be out of reach for some, prices will fall.

The 1st wave of adopters will be the ones with the cash to spend, and are likely to buy the full version anyway. I'm sure Sony realise this. The basic version is there is dampen the critism about the price of the full version, as people have the option to buy the cheaper one.

The lack of HMDI is the only thing I think they messed up on. I think they should have kept HDMI, and removed the wireless motion sensor controllers, and used standard wired controllers instead, thereby giving the people to upgrade from the basic to the more advanced setup (you cannot "add HDMI" ports in a upgrade fashion).

There's no single winner. In order to be happy I'll have to have all three next gen consoles--
Xbox 360 (main console)
Nintendo Wii (strictly for old school games)
PS3

Ok, aside from Sony's contempt for customers, I have an additional thing to add.

When the PS3 debuts, there will be shortages. Also, Xbox 360 will be on 2nd generation titles. That is HUGE, cause that means the games will be better than the first gen games available on the few PS3's when it launches. Also, don't forget, the US is the second market for Sony, they are NOT a US company.

Further, blue ray has not beaten HD-DVD, so a PS3 doesn't gaurantee anything in the HD market, it could be an expensive lemon.

For HD, its best to wait for the LG player that will be released by X-MAS that will support both HD-DVD and Blu-Ray (further it will surpass MS's stupid 720p HD-DVD player).

Basically, if you like games, get an XBox 360 now, in another year or two you might be able to pick up a PS3, but you can have next gen today (check out the Superman game trailer for XBox 360).

Have fun.. and please don't waste money on Sony crap :)

One more observation about backwards compatability. Who cares? I've played a couple of XBox games on the 360, and all I can determine is how bad the XBox looks in comparison.

Well personally I don't really care for your pro American preaching.

I want the best console, rather than just buying because Microsoft are an American company.

PS3 is the console for me. It's the only console that is truely HD. MS may claim the XBox360 is HD, but even with the HD-DVD add-on it's looking like it's not.

Whilst PS3 pricing may not be cheap, if you want quality, you have to pay for it. The bottom line, is you get what you pay for. If you buy a £299 console, you only get $299 worth of console, if you pay $599, you get $599 worth.

There is now no doubt Blu-Ray will win the HD format war, as even the basic console has a Blu-Ray player. Blu-Ray writers are a mere £600, which may seem expensive at the moment, will plumet in price once production ramps, and the 1st wave of buyers have spent their money.

That said I do think Sony's decision to omit the HDMI port from the basic model is a mistake, as it would be a definate one up on the XBox360 now we know it does not have HDMI either. I wouldn't put it past Sony to change the spec of the basic model to add the HDMI now we know XBox 360 HD-DVD does not have one.

" if you want quality, you have to pay for it"
Yup that is correct!
MS is gonna make you pay More than 600 with all their stupid add-ons and Xtra s***! you'll see!

HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

"XBox360 is too expensive... I'm gonna wait till the PS3..."

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

How many times are you going to post this?

Where else did I post this?

To be honest I couldn't tell the difference between the PS3 and the Xbox 360 graphically. At least not in the demo they had at E3 on Monday. I was expecting the graphics to be a lot better than the 360 the way Sony having been hyping up this Cell processor. I was kinda disappointed. I also didn't understand the guy presenting, he said Sony wasn't about gimmicks and then he goes on about all these gimmicky games. I was totally confused. Was he being sarcastic? It sure didn't seam like he was.

*To be honest I couldn't tell the difference between the PS3 and the Xbox 360 graphically. At least not in the demo they had at E3 on Monday.*

OK, so this is a testament to the PS3, it will look as good as the Xbox 360, before it wasn't quite as good.

There is big difference under the hood so to speak, for one there will be a dual processor, and things will be faster on the PS3.

Gimmicks and Games with Gimmicks are different things. GM isn't about Add-ons for your car, but they do make aftermarket products to enhance performance and looks of GM vehicles, same with Honda. They don't endorse them directly, but they are available, because people like to mod them. Sony won't make gimmicks for the PS3, but they will be available. Maybe he worked for a software vendor, and that's why he prefaced his speech with "Sony isn't about gimmicks..."

Its not the same thing.

Did Sony announce addons to replace the card readers and HDMI? Cause if not, I don't see why anyone would buy the cheaper version, atleast someone who actually wanted the PS3 for what it was promised to be. If they are smart, they will do like Microsoft and allow those with less money to buy a console and then buy the addons at a later time to bring it's features up to the more expensive model. Seems to me like they are punishing those with less money by forever limiting their consoles abilities.

console is so expensive. you can get a kick a** pc system with this price.

You are a damn moron. you can't buy a quality gaming PC ANYWHERE, for $600.00, that's just retarded.

You can barely buy a decent gaming video card for less than $300.00

For $600? What are you smokin? Look at the specs/video card/Blu-Ray drive. There's no way in hell. Maybe you're talking about 2009???

It's unfair to compare Xbox360's current price with PS3's launch price.

This holiday season is going to be a very tough one on many people who want to buy a console as a gift... Xbox & PS2 used to cost around $200+. Now the new ones cost $400-$600. *cry*

Why is it unfair to compare 360's current price with PS3's launch price? 360 hasn't had a price drop, so we are comparing launch prices of both units.

!!STOP whining about the PRICE!!

OK here is something
Xbox360 $400
Only 20GB+ *NOT* 100% backwards compatibility- MEaning you need to keep the Xtra BOX (xbox)around to play your Other Games- unless All u play play is HALO!--Wich People Hacked online!- Wich is gaY!-no fun-
You Gonna have to BUY the HD DVD External Drive( wich Im sure is gonna be well over 100 Bucks)because they gonna be making HD DVD games - So here is the DEal--You pretty much spending 500++ PLus ALL that JUNK!-

Now Ps3- $600 bucks
60GB HD~-100%% backwards compatibility-
So sell your Ps2 and u can get $100 plus for it-i know i can-And u have 60GB!! cant beat that!+++ BLUE RAY ALREADY INSIDE!-COME ON!
so now you bringing the Ps3 to 500- Ok
No need for Extra Junk HERE guys!
And you might end up paying for alittle extra more- and im sure comparing to the SPECS ill rather have Ps3-
*Sony also showed off the PS3's new controller, which can sense motion like the Wii system.

Xbox Doesnt--But im sure they gonna come out with a NEW controller- And YEs something Else you gonna have to buy-so more money ladies!-

If you believe 100% compatibility means 100% compatibility you must be on Sony's Marketing Board.

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=31247

Sony never lie do they........

Sony have not claimed 100% backwards compatability with all games.

Only 100% backwards compatability with games that have adhered to the Sony P22 API, and not done low level hacks for extra performance etc. It's unknown how many games this applies to...

Uhmm Well you know what-, Well see when the system out- because they wouldnt be saying that on e3 -
and i would love to be on sonys marketing board!-lol-but still man- 360 only plays halo--and other titles that people dont give a crap about

Oh, you said stop whining about the "PRICE", and not stop whining 'altogether'.

With the amount of whining that continuously occurs here, I was afraid that you were kicking everyone off the site. ;-)

Well, personally, I think if they achieve around 75-80% they will be doing well. That's not meant as a snub to Sony, it's not exactly an easy task and I think that kind of figure would keep most people happy. After all, 100% is certainly a 'nice to have' feature but how long would it take to test and ensure compatibility with the huge amount of titles?

Did you read the article that The Inquirer links to? It reads differently to how The Inquirer imply.

Original Article:

"the software emulation system is progressing well and may indeed meet that lofty goal.

He claimed that a surprising number of PS2 titles are already working on PS3 prototype hardware, and revealed that the emulation tricks being used to mimic the behaviour of the notoriously complex PS2 processors are getting whole swathes of game titles up and running on an ongoing basis."

The Inquirer's spin:

"DESIGNERS working on the PS3 are having problems making the beast as compatible with the PS2 software as Sony would like.
GamesIndustry.biz has hatched a story quoting a source in Sony's UK studios saying backwards compatibility has become a real problem."

Yep, sure did, and you're right the original article was more hopeful than the Inquirer's spin on it.

Sounds like they are doing well considering how hard it is. 100% though is a tough one, no matter if it is Sony or someone else. It all depends how many people/man hours they want to devote to doing this and getting the last few % of games working, especially if they were low sellers.

Their get out clause, that it they only claim 100% compatability, as long as the games are programmed within Sony's programming API.

Sounds fair, Sony are going to emulate the PS2 API on the PS3, but if developer have bypassed the API, then it's not going to work. We can't really expect Sony to emulate anything other than the official API, unless some major titles are breaking the rules, so to speak..

LOL.100 bucks for a used ps2? Good luck with that one in November.

The PS2, is 100% compatible with ALL PS1 games, so why wouldn't the PS3 be compatible with ALL PS2 games? What evidence do you have to support, they would NOT make it the same way?

Sure they have not said one way or the other, but they WILL make it compatible...

And 70-80% compatiblity is better than 0% with the Xbox 360..

Being a fanboy is ok. I don't have any problem with it. But if you are going to be a fanboy, at least be an accurate one.

360 is more than 0%.

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Sure looks like more than 0% to me

You know the link would have sufficed, you didn't need to show off your copy/paste skills.

Um no its not.. Thats what is advertised but I have first hand knowledge that of the 25 or so PS1 titles ive tried running on the PS2 less than half of them work.

lol, your ps2 must be broken then, they ALL work

they probably will make most of them compatible, but it should be noted the proccessor architecture change. So there probably will be a decent number of games that won't work properly.

Yeah but it wouldn't have looked as good ;)

But we're talking about Sony, not Micro$oft. M$ would claim 100% compatibility and the final product show 5%. Sony don't work that way.
Maybe Sony will infect the console with some king of spyware and/or DRM crap, but compatibility will be no issue.

Why do I have the sneaking suspicion that we may all be missing the point here?

I suspect that Sony may actually be making the first step to transitioning to a cell based PC/Media Center with the PS3 as a major core component.

This is complete BS. This thing better be able to give me a hand job for that price.

If you need those types of services, you need to quit watching Girls Gone wild videos and actually get out and find yourself someone, or you can get a nice street gal to help you out, either way, no one is forcing you to buy the console at that price, if you can't afford it, I am sure you can find a nice PS2 on Ebay..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humor

$600! OMG. That's just stupid. Single guys that don't care if they get laid (physically, not virtually) will probably love this and drop the $ without hesitation. I'd rather spend the $ on beer and women.

$600 on Beer and women won't go all that far! :-)

You HAVE to spend money on the beer/Women, that's the ONLY way you can get either.

Its an investment or hobby. Its not a MUST have, you want it, you can buy one, if not, don't worry about it.

I skipped the Xbox 360 for the PS3 release, and therefore, I am not wasting my money on the new Xbox, I suspect others are doing the same thing.

So 600 bucks isn't that expensive, especially when you consider the amount we are paying for good video cards on the PC.. If you use the PC primarily for playing games..

$600 isn't a bad price. Its not stupid, if you would rather destroy your liver than to use a video game, now THAT's stupid.

Drugs are stupid.

yah, and if you ever get surgery, make sure to pass on the morphine if you think drugs are stupid

drugs have their place

besides, nothing better than a beer and a game of NHL06 on a hot day

depends on the women ;)

I hear the fat ones with no teeth are cheaper this year. Deadmonkey you kill me.

Only dumb a** people use drugs, they don't have a place, they are for people to abuse themselves. You want to abuse yourself, go ahead, only proves my point.

DRUGS are STUPID.

Thanks for this ringing endorsement.

you've NEVER been perscribed DRUGS by your doctor
and maybe taken them to alleviate pain, or to kill infection?

don't make dumb statements

Crack is stupid

not all drugs are as dumb as U

(i DO NOT condone ANY illegal drugs, they will eventually wreck your life and land you in jail)

it will sell like hotcakes...let me tell ya

for those who don't think it will - watch and see... you just have to match the specs between the 2 units; ps3 + xbox360 - ps3 way ahead and ready for the future

i know when the ps2 was released in australia it was going for just under AUD$750, i purchased 2 for 2 mates birthdays..

Buy it! Just another fool, more money than brains.

You have the Sony Playtstation fanboys who will buy a Playstation just because it's a Playstation and they think their console is the best thing ever.

You have the MS Xbox fanboys who will buy an Xbox 360 just because it's an XBox and they think their console is the best thing ever.

While both of these groups go mad on forums about the other, the general public who couldn't care less about either company will buy the one with the best selection of games at the most reasonable price. If Sony come out with some amazing games and don't rip people off too much with the cost of the games they have a good chance. Buying a console is a one off payment remember. Buying games all the time if they are more expensive if far more costly.

"for those who don't think it will - watch and see... you just have to match the specs between the 2 units; ps3 + xbox360 - ps3 way ahead and ready for the future"

Way ahead? I just don't see that. It's like comparing a 3.6Ghz PC with a 3.0Ghz PC.

*While both of these groups go mad on forums about the other, the general public who couldn't care less about either company will buy the one with the best selection of games at the most reasonable price.*

Based on those ideas alone, the PS3 WILL be a better choice.. and you forgot one, PS3 doesn't charge to go online.. Xbox they charge 50 bucks a year.. And with Xbox you MUST have a broadband connection, with PS3 they still allow dial up, so it would cater to a broader range of people..

Games on the PS are far more accessible than Xbox, just look at the selection on ANY gaming site, there are more (and better quality games) on the PS than Xbox.

Reminder: Root kit....

Let's not forget this one!

I have to laugh at all the fools that were fooled thinking $300 was going to be the price. I said it was a cheap publicity ploy to pull people away from the Xbox 360, jokes on you is it not!

I also have to laugh at all the fools that stand behind Sony after everything they have done to the consumer lately.

WOW Buy that PS3 fools! HaHaHaHaHa

That was an isolated event.. and I am not so sure it wasn't intentional.. They wanted to prove a point.

Just because something is Labeled "Sony" does not mean EVERYTHING Sony is bad. GM makes many cars, Saturn sucks, but GM makes the Corvette, they also own Hummer, so you can take the name with a grain of salt, it doesn't mean anything.

So just because the root kit was a perceptible mistake by the public, doesn't discourage an entire different division of a company.

We weren't fooled, we were realistic. The price has always been assumed to be at least in the neighborhood of the Xbox, which is $400 for the good unit. So we had a good idea it was going to be ~450, maybe higher.

And what has Sony done that's so bad? Besides the Root Kit, what else have they done? I don't think you can come up with something plausible, fool.

If we WANT the PS3, and we LIKE the PS3, why are WE the fools when its YOU that wants to discredit a proven game console?

Lol.... a proven game console that hasn't even been finished yet?

You fanboys crack me up.

600 dollars, omg. Sony can go die in a fire.

I don't like the price At ALL!. You guys forgetting TAX on the system and games also extra controller. PS3 System 599.99 X 8.25% Tax Rate in my city = $49.49 Tax. of course you need a game to Play, going to be at the same price at Xbox 360 games were priced at 59.99 X 8.25%=$4.94 now that extra controller, i heard its going to cost around $69.99 X 8.25%=$5.77 let's checkout now boys and girls. System $599.99 + ($49.49 TAX) tax.Game $59.99+($4.95 Tax) and the extra controller $69.99 ($5.77 Tax) Total= $790.17 Hope all you fanboys got $800.00 to spend. Also hope you don't get a defected system like MOST first generation models, sony ps1,ps2,psp systems Had. Also im not forgetting XBox and Xbox360 had issues too. oh yeah to really enjoy the system your going to need a HDTV :-/ Personally I'm going to wait till Next Year 2007 Fall see how the games are for 2nd gen of ps3 games and price of system and HDTV prices will have come down more too. That's my 2 cents sorry for being a Kill joy :)

$599, wow and ouch.
I'm wondering how much the games will cost. If I can only afford to buy a game every 6 months or so then I won't be too motivated to buy PS3. I have enough junk collecting dust don't need another :)

Sweet thing is if it ends up that a PS3 is out of my budget, there will still be a good chance that the PS2 will drop in price again and maybe a bunch of games as well :)

Why would the games be any more expensive? they will cost the same 40-50 bucks..

Games are made by other companies other than Sony, so they won't control the price.. but the games are pretty much the same price across the board, PC, PS2, Xbox.. Some PC games are cheaper, because the console games are eating the PC's lunch.. because we don't want to spend the 300 bucks to upgrade the video to support that new game..

Which is WHY I don't understand people complaining about PS3 price.. when did the PS2 come out, I know its been at least 5 years.. because it was released right before the Dreamcast.. so if you do the math, 600 bucks, that's about ~100 bucks a year, that's not bad, compare that to avg computer components a year..

PC's are more expensive.. CPU, memory, hard drive, USB devices, video.. Games are the primary focus, its natural to use a console the play them, everyone plays on the same level.

"Why would the games be any more expensive?
they will cost the same 40-50 bucks"

Cause making the games for PS3 cost more. More staff, R and D. marketing cost. Also have to make a profit. That's why there is Extra cost in games. at least it isn't as bad as neo geo games were lol wonder if anyone remembers them bulk monster games 200+

*Sony also showed off the PS3's new controller, which can sense motion like the Wii system.

Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo are vying for control of the video game industry, which according to market research firm NPD Group, saw sales drop 5 percent to $7 billion in the United States last year. Much of it is blamed on consumers' desire to hold out for the PS3 and Wii.

Microsoft said it has sold about 3.2 million Xbox 360s so far — about half of them are used online. By this time next year, the company expects to have sold 10 million units and have 6 million online subscribers.*

http://news.yahoo.com/s/...MTA3cjE0b2MwBHNlYwM3Mzg-

And in other news....

*Ukrainian sentenced in US software piracy case

Tue May 9, 2:59 PM ET

SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - A Ukrainian man extradited to the United States from Thailand on software piracy charges has been sentenced to 35 months in prison, the U.S.
Department of Justice said on Tuesday.
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Maksym Vysochansky, 28, was arrested in Thailand in 2003 on charges of selling pirated software of Adobe Systems, Microsoft, Autodesk and other firms through Internet sites such as eBay.

He was arrested after U.S. officials monitoring his e-mail traffic learned he would travel from Ukraine to Thailand, the U.S. Attorney for the Northern District of California said in a statement.

Vysochansky, also known as Maksym Kovalchuk, was extradited to the United States in 2004 and pleaded guilty to the charges last November. He was sentenced on Monday.

Software piracy is widespread in many parts of the former Soviet Union. Prosecutors in Northern California, which is home to some of the world's best-known software companies including Adobe, have launched several high-profile anti-piracy cases.

The U.S. Attorney's office listed his name as Vysochanskyy, although it is commonly transliterated as Vysochansky.*

So tell me, how do we convict people if they are NOT guilty of something that ISN'T LEGAL? hmmmm?

He IS guilty of something... piracy.

lol, u suck!

besides, this post is about a perfectly LEGAL gaming console. (which i'll hack as soon as possible!) :-)

Yes, thanks for your intelligent reply to my post on other news, that was very enlightening.

Especially since its too difficult for you to type the word "you", which makes you look more of an idiot, but thanks for the candid comment just the same.

I didn't say the console was illegal, this post was directed at other inviduals from an early news..

and you can't hack a console.. You can modify it, but you won't be able to play online.. unless you have a bonafide copy of the game.. This new console also has protection to prevent hacking, but feel free to try..

What was your address again? I want to report you as a potential problem...

...and Piracy is...?

i'd prove to U i can hack a console (couple of 'em actually), but it might burn your virgin eyes. you're thinking of the common chip hack, but there are other ways, trust me. :-)

anyway, there's nothing illegal about it, just voids your warranty.
i'm not going to play pirated music on it, ok?

I can't believe I'm taking the bait...

Piracy is the unauthorized use of another's production, invention, or conception especially in infringement of a copyright.

$500, $600 get real Sony!

Yet another game system that I will not be buying for my kids.

Of course not. For that kind of money, it'd be for you, right?

Um...NO.

There is no way I will pay that kind of money for any game system ever.

It was a joke. Lighten up.

Wow, I bet your kids love you...

Don't pay any attention to rjip, he's a troll. As they say, don't feed them.

How much did you pay for your computer?

And just who the hell are you? Some poor newb with no history I presume?

Let others make their own decisions there choir boy, its not for you to decide. Do you have anything important to add? I didn't think so.

Joke 'em if they can't take F#$K.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humor

*$600 BARGAIN?

Sony will also sell a PS3 with a 60-gigabyte hard drive for $599 in the United States. All Sony's units will include a Blu-ray high-definition DVD player. Microsoft's premium Xbox 360 package, which does not include an advanced DVD player and has a 20-gigabyte hard drive, costs $400, by comparison.

"As just a game console it is expensive, but not if you think about it as an entertainment center," said Koichi Ogawa, chief portfolio manager at Daiwa SB Investments. "The price may be somewhat tough for Sony. If you consider the costs, the price probably should be higher."

The larger hard drive allows users to store more games, music and other downloaded content onto the PS3, while some software developers said the extra storage capacity allowed the machine to load games faster.

Sony's Bluetooth-powered motion-sensitive wireless controller is shaped like the controller for the current generation machine, but the advanced controller can s*** objects in games when a player moves the unit, without pushing buttons. In a demonstration, a virtual duck lifted out of a tub of water when the controller was jerked upward.

Sony expects to hit the market with 2 million PS3 consoles at launch and a total of 4 million by the end of December 2006. Analysts expect Microsoft to ship up to 8 million Xbox 360 units before Sony launches the PS3.

Ken Kutaragi, Sony's game unit head, also known as the "father of the PlayStation," told Reuters that this would be a huge year for the video game industry and Microsoft's early advantage was not a great concern.

"We have not paid much attention to market share in the past, and that is still the case," Kutaragi said on the sidelines of the Sony news conference.

The success of the PS3 is crucial for Sony as a company.

At stake is not only continued dominance in the game industry but leadership in the next generation of DVDs, the commercial viability of the Cell processor that powers the PS3 and possibly control over the future living-room electronics around the world.

It's also an expensive bet.

Tokyo-based Sony plans to take a 100 billion yen operating loss at its game division in the current fiscal year due to costs related to the PS3 launch. Game machines manufacturers often lose money on the initial sale, but recoup those losses over the life of the product through software sales.

"Unless there are some amazing launch titles that turn up in the next six months, I think it's going to be pretty tough going for Sony," said Hiroshi Kamide, game analyst for KBC Securities. "It's still going to lose money hand over fist at these prices."*

"The success of the PS3 is crucial for Sony as a company."

what?

are you aware of how many ventures sony has going at one time?

there are many companies dependant on sony's chips and technology (ever take a look inside a cd player and seen what kind of chip makes the cd transfer data?)

that's like saying the xbox will make or break MS

I didn't write the article . . . . . I found it on a News site.

*"The success of the PS3 is crucial for Sony as a company."*

That came from Sony Management, so they are hinging their sucess on this upcoming console.

oh, sry

still don't see how sony's future can hinge on a game console

You underestimate the gaming industry. Its the LARGEST sector of ANY in the computer world.

Gaming for consoles alone was a 7 billion dollar market.

Gaming for PC's is twice that..

"Its the LARGEST sector of ANY in the computer world."

WRONG - Porn is, would you like any facts to back this up?

It has been quite some time that their console business has been supporting the whole Sony (including the electronic, movies and music division) for quite some time already.

PS3 is important to Sony just like WIndows/Office is important to Microsoft.

PS3 has to succeed. Sony is in trouble if it don't.

It is crucial to the future of Sony's playstation division, not Sony as a whole. Sony's record label and movies pull in more money then anything else, do a little market research. Not to mention the royalites that are paid to sony for the chips and patents they own on alot of music devices. They have a very strong electronics department as well. Trust me, sony isn't going anywhere, playstation may hurt them if they don't do too well. But it would not put them under.

This is speculating on something that is a given, of course it will do well. It's market in Japan will buy these things like hot cakes. And I can gurantee you millions of parents will be standing in line all night on the launch because its the first item on there kids christmas list.

Yes, please provide evidence of this, because PORN isn't limited to Computers. I said computer world...

You can get PORN on the computer, but its also magazines, adult toys, etc.. so you can't PROVE porn on the computer is a larger sector..

And how would you know anyway? I assume you are like that other goober that would rather spend 600 bucks on beer and woman aren't you?

Its not speculation, that was a quote from Sony upper management.

So you do a little research, newb. I am quoting, not stating my opinion, I got it from another news site....

So obviously you are WRONG! Sony said it, not me.

While most people aer going to jump and get it while they are hot and come out, it is best to wait only because there are chances there may be a flaw (like most new things to come out) and may be a waste of money.
Look at the PS2 when they first came out. I waited a year before i got it and the price dropped almost 51%. Same with the Xbox 360.
Look what happened to people who bought an Ipod, they bought them like hotcakes and the battery exploded on most to the point where Apple will NOT fix it, forcing you to buy another Ipod.

That's definately the wise way to go. Running out and buying any new product as soon as it launches is usually a bad idea.

You are just jealous you didn't buy an Xbox 360 on pre-order and then resell it on Ebay for 3-5 grand. That's all that is.

Usually when someone begins a response with "You're just jealous" it's a sign that their response isn't worth reading.

Unless you were joking. :)

lol

well you read it, so its a moot point. Also it proves you don't even follow your beliefs.

And no, I wasn't kidding, I think you are jealous as hell!

Well if you weren't joking that's sad. Saying that running out and buying a console the day it hits the shelf isn't a good idea means that a person is jealous because they didn't buy one and sell it on eBay? That's stupid. Go back and reread thegameny2002's post again, it has nothing to do with being jealous about not making a profit on eBay. I agreed with his post because buying early often leads to getting buggy items. Better to wait a while until the problems are worked out.

So you say.. you are still replying to someone that thinks you are jealous, so either you are ignoring your believe, or you don't believe it yourself?

Going out and buying on the same day has nothing to do with what's his name, YOU are jealous. Its as plain as that leap on your keyboard.

LOL

why would i be jealous?
See if i were in it for the profit, i could had made an easy 15 grand (since i was able to obtain 3 xbox 360s for free)

all i said was it isnt worth getting eomthing when it hits the market due to bugs. When the xbox first came out, the power cords and processors came out so defective that most had to be recalled. Then the dvd tray was scratching the games and dvd movies you would put in. After about a year, they fixed all of these quirks and the new versions of that xbox dont have a problem.

Now take the XBOX 360 ...the hard drives had to be recalled cause they overheated. The power cable melted and in one instance the memory chip blew out. it has nothing to do with beaing jealous about making an extra few bucks.

Wow... let me be the first to say that this thread is utterly, ridiculously, mind-numbingly moronic.

MICROSOFT JUST DROPPED THE GOUNTLET.

XBOX ONLY GRAND THEFT AUTO 4. OCTOBER 16.

HALO 3 ANNOUNCED, trailer available. FABLE 2 announced.

Sony cries!

There was some misinformation earlier, the game is not exclusive to the 360. Only the episodic content. Still really great news though. :)

awwwwwww sheeeeeeeeeit!

*GRAND THEFT AUTO 4*

Grand Tourismo 4 will make GTA look like an Atari 2600 game. (Sony wins!)

*HALO 3*

Halo 2, tanked. It was one the lowest selling and rated games on the Xbox (Sony wins!)

*FABLE 2*

Ha! Blizzard Ghost will be nice. Fable, isn't even as good as Oblivion out now. Doom 3 is coming out.

PS3 has much better games and content, and they will play PS2 games faster and better, which PS2 outsold Xbox games 2-1.

Sony cheers!

GTA will be on both PS3 and 360 (Sony ties?)

Halo 2 kicked a** and is one of the most popular xbox games today still. What rock do you live under? (Sony Loses)

I've got no response to Fable, I wasn't a fan of it. Oblivion kicks a** though.

PS3 has much better games and content in YOUR OPINION. Many people disagree.

Sony's going to lose marketshare.

Both Sony and Microsoft will be back for another round (as long as PS3 doesn't flop and ruin Sony).

They will definately lose market share...but I odn't believe the Xbox will dominate yet. Give it a few more generations, though.

Fine GTA, MAY be on both consoles, but GT4 will RULE!

Halo 2 kicked ass. Well, Gee, Best buy, Compusa, Electronics Boutique, their sales figures must be wrong for that game huh? I guess they should have consulted you for their figures, because that game was a basic flop.

PS3, has no games yet, but content yes, its not my opinion, experts are predicting the presence the PS3 will have, based on specs and past experience with the PS2. The games are rated higher on the PS2 than they are on Xbox..

gamespot.com. Look at the ratings..

Many people disagree, and many people STILL don't believe we landed on the moon or that 7 million jews were extinguished, what does that prove? People will believe what they want, regardless of what things are.

Sony has lost marketshare due to their DRM debacle, their system components are taking a hit, and they are having some financial investment trouble, that's WHY the PS3 is critical for Sony. And WHY its going to have such a huge impact.

"Sony has lost marketshare due to their DRM debacle, their system components are taking a hit, and they are having some financial investment trouble, that's WHY the PS3 is critical for Sony. And WHY its going to have such a huge impact."

ah, understand better now
i still think, even if the PS3 flops(which it won't), sony would still be a dominating force in the electronics business
crap, i've got at least 8 sony products i can think of off the top of my head, not to say they're the only good electronics company, just have more of their products than any other one company.

Well I do too, actually. I sold some of my stuff, not because I am tired of Sony, but I just don't have the room.

I had receivers, DVD players, CD, My VEGA HDTV, my car stereo was Sony before the one I have now (Kenwood) I absolutely love Sony, they are my favorite Electronics company.

Sony makes nothing but overpriced proprietary s***

yah, i've got a VEGA too
love it!!!!!!
:-)

"(as long as PS3 doesn't flop and ruin Sony)"

Hah! Let's hope it does! Sony and all their proprietary garbage like MD and Blu-ray can go to hell. It seems they never learned their lesson from the Betamax fiasco. Then they pull this rootkit stunt recently and pretend they did nothing wrong. Oh and all you Sony/Playstation fanboys can toss my salad.

Halo 2 tanked?

"Calling Halo 2 the biggest game launch in history might sound like hyperbole, but it isn't. Hype from an extremely broad marketing campaign along with grassroots hype from Halo fans led to a completely unprecedented 2.4 million copies sold on its first day of availability."

http://biz.gamedaily.com/industry/toppers/?id=8359

Do you guys just dream stuff up?

hmm.. I seem to recall Halo2 having something like 125Million in first day sales.

If that's a flop, then yeah, I guess it flopped.

I have read several articles that say that Halo 2 made more money in the first week of sales than the movie Titanic did the opening weekend. As well, here's some other interesting news reports:

CNN says: "In its first 24 hours of retail availability, the flagship title for Microsoft's Xbox gaming system sold approximately 340,000 copies more than "Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas" did in its first six days on shelves."

Gamepro says: "The game hit the five million in sales in three weeks, a figure the original took two years to achieve."

And, my favorite: "Not only has Halo 2 exceeded video game sales records, but entertainment records as well. Halo 2 has generated more money on day one than any of the biggest movies in box office history including "Spider-Man 2" (Sony), "Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban" (WB) and "The Matrix Reloaded" (WB).* In addition, Halo 2 surpassed this past weekend's box office favorite, The Incredibles, which grossed $70.5 million (U.S.) in three days compared to the $125 million pulled through by Halo 2 in one day."

*ahem*

...it's gauntlet

Wow... I've never played Halo, and even I know that you're full of crap. Halo 2 was one of the best selling games ever.

I got to search for a summer job now :(

Summer help, summer not!

Summer groaning. . . .

Haha.. you must have a very low paying job...

Maybe he's still in school, either way there is no call for insults.

I didn't insult him, he is the one that suggested he will need a summer job.

I don't care if he is in school, if you float one out there, I am going to say something, sprytoad.

Saying "Haha.. you must have a very low paying job..." is an insult. You assumed he already has a job and that it's low paying then you lauged at him. If anyone should be laughed at here it's you for being a stupid little b*tch.

Boys, boys, boys... Can't we all just get along???

Awww, poor witto booby. He is upset, because I moved his lily pad. Aww.. I think someone needs a nap.

*Boys, boys, boys... Can't we all just get along???*

- R. King (Compton, Los Angeles, CA)

Is that the best you can come up with? Try again when you get out of kindergarten.

I am a student :) That's why I need to get a summer job. I could get at least over 1500euro working for a month. Do you want me to buy you a PS3? So your parents won't have to work another extra month during summer.

My parents? Ha! I have my own consulting business, I don't even work for much of the summer, I am too busy travling to Las Vegas and California. 1500 Euro, I make that in a week.. more if I wanted to expand my enterprise..

You don't need to buy me anything, I am good. But it looks like you can use the help.

No, but I am not wasting my time, that would be like shooting blanks at a mime. you are not worth the trouble.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wit

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berk

Now just have to start puttin money away for it. Rather get this than that desaster they call the Xbox 360.The PS3 is only just a little more horsepower than the 360 but no alot. but im getting the PS3 because i like the games more on that than the Xbox

Just skip rent 1 month, problem solved!

Bah. Then I could buy 2!

$599 is expensive and I won't buy one but it will sell. Look at the people who pay $600 for a video card alone, those are the people it will sell too. Plus in Asia it will sell well, that is where the Xbox and Xbox 360 don't sell very well. I like the Xbox 360 because of the games, their more mature. Nintendo and Sony make a lot more games for kids.

I drove by a car dealership yesterday and I saw a classic 68 mustang in good condition for $650. Is it just me, or is the PS3 a bit pricey. I mean shouldn't 3000lbs of steel worth more than a 3lbs of plastic?

Well, check under the hood first man!!! ;0)

Where is this car located? I am interested!

How good condition can it be? $650 bucks? It must be in sore shape..

Those sell for $2000 in good shape..

oooooooooooooo...can't wait
they'll be getting my $599

figure its a good deal, from the specs, it seems more powerful than my $2000 computer i just built 6 months ago.(the xbox360 isn't)
and it's got a blue-ray player.

i think MS dropped the ball on this one. they seemed so hasty in beating sony to the punch, they ran into MAJOR problems.

ie:

not enough production at release time

overheating units

three tier system sales??????? why?(and yes, i know, sony has a two tier system. i don't get that either)

not backwards compatable without an emulator, and then only with selected games

the games still don't look like next gen games
(although sony pulled some pretty sweet looking games outta their a$$. soul calibur 3, god of war, burnouot revenge, to name a few)

an add-on HD-DVD player...do you see the confusion with this? now i need to worry wheather it's a xbox, xbox360, or an HD-xbox360 game, and if will play on my system or not. not to mention the extra money the HD-DVD player will cost

not enough good games!!!!! they need something besides halo.(and all the converted PC games that i already have on my PC!)

so, point being, even if sony did rip off everyone elses idea's, they do a much better job of implemeting them.

i don't like sony as a company, but some of their products are way way above the rest.

Sorry but I have to disagree with pretty much every point you made. Also it's quite a bit too soon to talk about production issues when the PS3 isn't even shipping yet. For all we know the PS3 will have a severe shortage, catch on fire, blow up, nobody knows yet. So let's just wait before we start bragging about that. Oh and FYI but the PS3 uses emulation for backwards compatibility too. As for HD-DVD I don't see anything confusing about it. Who told you they would be releaseing HD only games? A game console simply doesn't need HD storage, for those who want movies it's a nice addition but it's even nicer if it's optional and not being forced on us.

have you played any new games?
they're on the verge of multi-dvd games right now.
quake 3-edit-(oops, i meant quake 4), fear, to name a couple that are dvd size. so yes, a next-gen game console does need more storage than a dvd can handle if it's to improve on current games.
i can't see MS coming out with the HD-DVD player just to watch movies anyway. why wouldn't i buy a stand alone unit for that? do you watch movies on your xbox/ps2 or a dvd player?

oh yah, i didn't say the ps3 will do so much better than the xbox360, i just said MS screwed up.

I agree with your disagreement - we're both on the same page :)

Maybe having PC games on DVD AND CD was too confusing for him too.

I also don't see the PS3 being more powerful. As I stated further down in the thread, it's a small difference. And with technology and speeds these days, small differences don't add up to much.

I don't think they are as close as you think. And compression gets better every day.

If I'm wrong, show us the numbers.

"do you watch movies on your xbox/ps2"

No I don't, so why would I pay a fortune to buy a PS3 with a Blu-Ray drive that is useless to me? At least Microsoft isn't forcing HD-DVD on everyone like Sony is with Blu-Ray. We have a choice. I won't be buying the HD-DVD addon because I don't need it. For those who do, it will be there for them. Choice is nice isn't it?

Microsoft isn't going to require anyone to buy an HD-DVD drive to play any of their games, it would be a commercial disaster. They didn't get where they are today by being stupid.

the fact that sony has BLUE-RAY and xbox has HD-DVD, tells you the games are going to need it. otherwise, why else would sony delay just for the BLUE-RAY feature?

and i have the games, they're each 4+GB.
next gen games are gonna heve to be 10+GB

i agree with you, compression is getting better.
but if that were the case, why use HD-DVD or BLUE-RAY for movies? why not just use a better compression format on current dvd's eh?

you should work for MS

"the fact that sony has BLUE-RAY and xbox has HD-DVD, tells you the games are going to need it. "

No it doesn't, lol. They are there for the multimedia features, being able to watch movies.

"why else would sony delay just for the BLUE-RAY feature?"

Let's see, it couldn't have anything to do with Sony wanting Blu-Ray to be the new standard now could it? They are using the PS3 to get Blu-Ray drives out on the market.

"why use HD-DVD or BLUE-RAY for movies? why not just use a better compression format on current dvd's eh? "

Three words, Digital Rights Management. Also DVD's simply don't have enough room for HD movies, compression or not. They could compress them but there goes your great picture.

Movies and games are different. Good compression or not, DVD's just don't have the room for High Def movies. And adding compression to video can affect the picture.

And the HDDVD drive is NOT for games on the 360. Microsoft supports HDDVD, so it is just their way of getting an inexpensive player out there.

Considering I'm going to purchase a HD tv, I think that Blu-Ray player in the PS3 is a nice addition to my home cinema/entertainment system. However it won't suite everyone. Bearing in mind that the PS3 may be using a Linux based OS, so there's also the chance you'll be able to play your codec based movies too, Also there's info about other functionality through the PS3 Nework such as video caling, VOIP etc, so the PS# may be more than just games and DVD. Lets just wait and see......

"Three words, Digital Rights Management. Also DVD's simply don't have enough room for HD movies, compression or not. They could compress them but there goes your great picture."

same goes for games, they WILL eventually be on blu-ray and hd-dvd

(yah, i know they moved movies to new formats for DRM, but it was also for picture quality, which is still compressed!)

"same goes for games, they WILL eventually be on blu-ray and hd-dvd"

Since Sony has a Blu-Ray drive built in, duh. However Microsoft isn't going to force people to buy an HD-DVD drive for games, simple as that.

"A game console simply doesn't need HD storage"

"640K ought to be enough for anybody."

"640K ought to be enough for anybody."

That's clever, do you have any more quotes that nobody ever actually said? You're a genius. In case you didn't understand my post was made in the present tense; at this time it is completely accurate. I was wondering when Sony's fanbaby would show up though. Tell us some more of your "inside information".

Hardly forcing the Blu-Ray on people. I doubt the console would be that much cheaper, even without Blu-Ray.

In effect Blu-Ray is free in the PS3. PS3 is still cheaper than a standalone HD-DVD player.

"Hardly forcing the Blu-Ray on people."

How do you figure that? Can you buy a PS3 without a Blu-Ray drive? No. Well then...

"I doubt the console would be that much cheaper, even without Blu-Ray. In effect Blu-Ray is free in the PS3. PS3 is still cheaper than a standalone HD-DVD player."

You are so full of it, it's amazing. Even in the face of facts you're still spouting BS. Is that really your argument, the PS3 is cheaper than a standalone HD-DVD player? Let's compare the price of a standalone Blu-Ray player to the standalone HD-DVD players then, shall we?

$650 with tax.

acully i beleve Bill Gates actully said that years ago :)

really and when did MS say they are not going to put games on HD DVD?

Nope, he didn't. It's an urban legend.

Here's a real quote though: "Sony will never charge $600 for the PS3, it would be commercial suicide. Sony knows it, we know it."

Some guy named Mark Gillespie said it I believe. :D

When did they say they were? Think about it, does it make sense? The Xbox 360 is already in a lot of homes, and not everyone is going to buy the HD-DVD addon. Why would Microsoft want to piss people off by requireing them to buy an addon to play games on a system that already has a DVD-ROM drive. The very idea is ridiculous. The HD-DVD addon is for playing movies, nothing more. :)

"the games still don't look like next gen games"

I knew PS2 fanboys in the Xbox days cried it's not about the graphics, it's about the games would contridict them self's this time around.

LOL!!! I was wondering if someone would find that quote! :)

An HD DVD player with HDMI is $499 and the PS3 with HDMI is $599 and by the time the PS3 comes out, a HD DVD player will be even cheaper, so I don't see how you figure a PS3 is cheaper than a HD DVD player. I think you’re confusing HD DVD with Blu-Ray. A Blu-Ray player costs $999. And the PS3 would be MUCH cheaper if they didn't include Blu-Ray.

And yes, Sony IS forcing Blu-Ray on people because you don't need Blu-Ray to play games. Sony is doing Everything In Their Power to win the format war.

They've actually said it all along.

I however do think they can change their mind. If games to need 2 DVD's towards the end of the 360 life, they could release games in both HDDVD and DVD. It would be no different from PC Games where you have a CD and DVD version.

Gamers want a game console, not a movie player.

"same goes for games, they WILL eventually be on blu-ray and hd-dvd"

That may be so, but just not on the 360.

"they're on the verge of multi-dvd games right now. quake 3, fear, to name a couple that are dvd size."

Quake 3???? That was on a CD. Iknow, I know, you probably ment Doom 3, or Quake 4.

But anyway I saw multiple CD's, but not multiple DVD's. Most PC games that are on DVD's take up only about 2-4 gigs of space. That's less half or of space what a DVD can hold, which is 9 gigs. Or PC games that take 4 CD's, that's only 2.8 gigs.

"A game console simply doesn't need HD storage,"

If they want to compete with PC Expansion packs, and they do, they're gonna need it.

60GB is a good *start*

I wouldn't buy a console without one...which is the main reason I won't get a 360. Games won't be designed for it because not all 360 players have them. They'll code to the lowest common denominator.

ridiculous is debuting a system with only 360,000 units(xbox360), making people buy an add on to watch dvd movies in a dvd player(xbox), needing to install an emulator on the hard drive(if you have one) to be backwards compatible.(xbox360)

I wouldn't either. One of the main reasons I didn't buy a PS2, no hard drive space.. not that the PS3 will have one, I am no longer interested in Xbox, that was the *only* thing that swayed my vote.

You know this quote is getting tired, it goes along with the other MS bashing.

that quote is taken WAY out of context. It was during a time when the limit (set by Intel, not Microsoft) was 640k, and bill gates (CEO of MS and a Partner of Intel) was agreeing with Intel's architecture limitation. It was NEVER meant for future generations to follow. So if you are going to quote something, don't paraphrase just to follow the herd, get the facts and use it because its popular.

Bill Gates did say it. Its even a joke on the MS site.. but if you listen to the WHOLE conference, you will understand why he said it.

It's also taken totaly out of context.

Its not an urban legend....

http://arnosoftwaredev.b...005/01/640k-legend.html

He DID say it, but its taken OUT of context, and it was paraphrasing what he ACTUALLY did say.

What context did you mean then when you said that it would be commercial suicide to sell it at that price and that Sony would not do it. It's pretty straight forward no matter how you say it. You just can't admit you were wrong.

I thought we were talking about games requiring HD-DVD. Oh, you're trying to change the subject. Should we now go into all the ridiculous" things Sony has done, or Nintendo? Even though they have nothing to do with your original post. Whatever makes you feel better.

If you want paste quotes, last week you said PS3 was not going to be less than $1000.

"Pure speculation, even if it's possible. Don't forget all the other Blu-Ray player manufacturers would be getting hurt rather seriously by such a move. Sony is not going to undercut them (as well as their own standalone players) "

Seems I was closer than you were...

That's funny, I don't see $1000 anywhere in my quote. In fact, since I was saying they would not be able to sell the PS3 $399 with movie playback support, I was right while you were completely wrong.

The cheaper PS3 plays Blu-Ray movies just fine. Stop spreading Xbox fanboy lies..

no, was still about the original post
just painting a background of ridiculous things MS has pulled with the xbox.
including an add-on HD-DVD player to support future games :-p
just a prediction
guess we'll find out soon when the ps3 debuts, and whether or not it will have games on blu-ray disc

"Sony IS forcing Blu-Ray on people because you don't need Blu-Ray to play games."

you know this for fact?

or are you just upset beacause you bought an xbox360, and now you realize you might have to buy the stupid add-on to play future games?

Yes, I know that for a fact. Too bad you don't know any facts.

No, I'm not upset because I don't own a gaming console, aside from my computer. And no one will ever need an add-on to play future games.

Go ahead, make some more stuff up to prove how stupid you are.

"And no one will ever need an add-on to play future games."

i guess you've NEVER owned a gaming console

turbo graphics - added cd player
genesis - added 32x and cd player
n64 - added expansion pack
ps1 - added dual analogue controller(although not really needed)
ps2 - added hard drive(didn't go further than FFXI though)and network interface

who's stupid?

I didn't say that, I said they wouldn't be able to sell it at $399 and they aren't. It's $500.

I never said it's never been done and I have owned consoles in the past. We were talking about the Xbox 360, not the history of consoles. Let me reword it. You will never need an add-on for the Xbox 360 to play future games. Is that better?

You apparently have a very short memory. I'd reread the thread before posting in the future if I were you.

You.

you must work for MS to be so sure of yourself

nuff said

Just fine? Sure, if you think the future is 480P.

If you prefer 720P or 1080i or 1080P, then you need HDMI. Cheaper unit doesn't do that.

Good point.

And movie enthusiasts want stand alone players. I don't see too many early adopters going for the PS3 just for playing movies.

Actually, 480 is the future, HDTV can go higher, but the producers of the shows don't see a need to go that high, so unless someone convinces them 480 needs to be higher, that's exactly where we will be.

Very few movies and shows are even at the 720 p level..

Ever watch Discovery HDTV or any Tv show on NBC/FOX broadcast in HDTV, they are ALL 480, or 95% of them anyway...

AND most HDTV units downgrade the signal to 480 even when it is broadcast higher, so you don't NEED HDMI I can get 720p, 1080i, 1080p NATIVE on my HDTV (or did before I sold it), and that was DVI.

Please tell us how much a PS3 without a Blu-Ray player would have been? Not very different to the basic PS3 price $499.

If you want to start a p1ssing contest. You can buy a Blu-Ray WRITER for $900. How much is a HD-DVD WRITER? Oh, there isn't one...

Sony just signed the PS3's death warrant. The price is outrageous, the console is mediocre and when Blu-Ray flops it's going to make the console look even lamer. Anyone watching E3? Sony got owned. :D

From where your sat, that may be how it looks, but to the millions of gamers waiting to get their hands on PS3, Microsoft are in trouble,

$349 buys you last years technology with a DVD
$499 buys you this years technology with Blu-Ray

Above Xbox your have PS3, below it you have WII.

They're both the same generation genius, the PS3 just got delayed to death. Don't try and pull that last year's technology BS. Second the $499 version is POS, you need the $599 version for HDMI support among other things. Where can I buy a PS3 right now? Oh that's right, they won't be on sale until November at which time the 360's price will likely be reduced. In fact it's doubtful many people will be seeing PS3's until 2007. The way I see it right now $349 buys a great gaming system with no expensive HD movie player crap that a person may not want or need. I'll take that over the PS3DO any day.

I don't understand your first statement. Well, I understand it, but it just doesn't make sense. What about all the gamers that have already bought a 360, isn't Sony in trouble because of that?

I think all the pricing really tells us is that Microsoft wins this round. And I define winning as marketshare. They'll definetely increase it this time around.

Why? There is nothing compelling in the PS3 that makes it worth the extra price. Only thing that would be worthwhile is playing bluray movies, but then you have to spend $200 more.

Prior to the price announcement, many people had decided they were likely going to get PS3. After, people like yourself will still get it, but others are having second thoughts.

EDIT - Oh.. and BTW - Your DVD vs BluRay argument is flawed. The ONLY Way it's an advantage to gaming is if games actually need more space than DVD can accomodate. Only time will tell if this is true. But, if this prediction of yours is as accurate as others, then it won't be true ever.

"What about all the gamers that have already bought a 360, isn't Sony in trouble because of that?"

Not really, have you seen the sales number for Xbox360. Inside the US, sales are lukewarm, outside the US, they are stonecold. In the UK, they can't s*** them for love or money.

Well, I respectfully disagree. Microsoft is in no more trouble than Sony. And if 360 production increases, then Sony might be in more trouble.

And I wouldn't say US sales are lukewarm. They can't keep the things on the shelves.

The BIG Question!

How many of each units will they produce? What will the breakdown be?

I would imagine 30% hi end, 70% basic.

Anyone know what the Microsoft mix was for XB360?

I'd be willing to bet the opposite. Then they can say they had 2 options, but one will be much harder to get.

360 was the reverse of that. i would imagine sony will do the same and put more high end and less basic

Yeah but we are talking a higher price point. I am not paying for HDMI when I don't need it for movies, I have a projector and a PC for that..

So I would stay at the 499 mark, not 599, especially when that 100 bucks doesn't get you much.

Sony Check list.

Ripoff something Nintendo Made? Check
Ripoff something from Microsoft? Check
Sell a crippled non upgradedable version? Check
Put a ridiculous pricetag? Check

Sony has no shame. A few months ago they called the Nintendo controller a Gimmick control, and now they come and showcase their super Dual-Shock controller as if it were something special. THEY STOLE THE FREAKING idea from Nintendo. Not to mention the PS light button in the middle of the controller which is a RIPOFF from the Xbox360 controller. How about the Sony network, which looks like a replica of the Xbox Dashboard.

Sorry Sony, but your not getting money from me this time. Id rather buy the originals from either microsoft or Nintendo.

I mean, look at the history. Sony has been copying Nintendo since the beggining.

Lets take a history tour shall we?

Playstation 1: Was originally a joint venture between Nintendo and Sony to create an addon cd-rom for the SNES, this fell through.

2. Then we have sony throwing money at all the Nintendo publishers like Square to get them to go exclusive with them.

3. N64 releases. A nice little analog stick on the controller. Sony then puts 2 analog sticks on the PS1 controller(since 2 is better than 1 right?) Even though hardly any PS1 titles take advantage of the feature.

4. Nintendo introduces the Rumble Pack. Here comes the PS2 with the Dual-Shock 2 controller, OH LOOOK IT VIBRATES!!.

5. Nintendo introduces the Wii Controller, 1year later sony decides to throw away the boomerang and come up with a last minute dualshockless controller that has tilt response but it doesnt shock.

I mean come on, its sad to say that Microsoft has been more innovative than sony as of late.

Very good literature!

Indeed, Sony won't get a dime from me. They really do need to be more original. Its hard to beat Nintendo, they are the most innovative gaming giant out there. Wii is definitely getting a place on my shelf. Sony and MS just don't seem to be about the gamers themselves, they seem to be too much about turning a profit and beating their competition. Nintendo takes care of the new gamers, as well as their veteran gamers, like me. I've been playing games since the days of the NES, I grew up on the NES, the SNES and the N64. I still play all my old games when I get a chance to, because they mean that much to me. Now, the Wii is going to give me a way to have all of my fav. games on one system, that's a Nintendo fan's dream! Nintendo is truly creating a revolution in gaming with the Wii and I can't wait to snag one when they come out. Long live Nintendo! :)

Their E3 conference was a snooze-fest, and $600 is just insane. Of course it's all because Sony wants to force Blu-Ray onto the market by putting it in something that doesn't need it. No thanks, they won't be getting any money from me. Not for the PS3 or for Blu-Ray.

Hate to say it, but most of the features you mentioned were actually introduce by the Dreamcast first! Too bad Sega didn't have to backing or money, the dreamcast was really way ahead of it's time.

OK, so assuming this information is true, which I am not saying it isn't, why doesn't Nintendo file a lawsuit claiming Sony is in violation of copyright then?

That in and of itself is interesting . . . .

If this can all be validated, then certainly they would have said something by now..

Whatever, the selection of games remains with Sony, have fun with your Nintendo.. I will be playing the more popular, better games, while you will be stuck with whatever Super Mario they come out with, and a 2 year late version of zelda..

Yeah, have fun with that!

What a joke.

When people start getting close to $750 for a game console and a few games that's just wrong.

For a lot of people $600 is still WAY HIGH.

I gave up on gaming consoles when the first XBOX came out.

I will never own another game console because I refuse to pay more than $150 for one.

If you're gonna pay $600 for a game console just buy a freaking computer.

I agree. I gave up console gaming due to high prices. Computer games are just as good and cheaper.

UPDATE: I've looked at this and several other articles about the announcements at E3, and I am starting to wonder about sony's management. They are expecting too much I think. Don't get me wrong, I believe that the PS3 will sell more than Xbox 360 has been selling in the first 6 months--but six million?

"By the end of March, six million consoles will have shipped, Sony Computer Entertainment of America president and chief executive officer Kaz Hirai said at a press conference."

Kaz Hirai is in for a big surprise I think. Xbox 360 is too much money, so why would I buy a PS3 for even MORE money? Remember--that's one controller and no games. Add the games and at least one extra controller--we're getting close to the $800 range just for me and my brother to play one game together! Neither me nor anyone I know has an HDTV past 32", they're just too dang expensive. Now I hear that if I do buy that monster priced HDTV, I have to pay an additional $100 on any playback devices just to fully utilise its features? Not ready to buy an HDTV and a game console. The "Wii" name sucks, but if it has killa games then it is beginning to look better and better.

Sony needs to wake up...I can't see 6 million people that can afford the consoles. Japan market is on their side I suppose, but here in the states--Sony'd be lucky to have one million PS3 sales by March.

I agree. I already have the best gaming console. My computer!

"The "Wii" name sucks, but if it has killa games then it is beginning to look better and better."

They are showing the games now, killer is an understatement. Red Steel puts anything I've seen on the 360 to shame, and the controller looks fun as hell especially for sports games. The new Zelda game, woah...

I had some reservations about the system and I do hate the name, but after watching that there is no question of what I'm going to buy now.

Dude, if anything, Sony management are genius! Look at the PS2 history. Look up the stats on that.

Look at the games out for the PS2 alone, and look at how many people still play them.

Look at the fact that the Xbox charges for online, while the PS2 doesn't. The PS2 now gets a hard drive, so the reasons to buy an Xbox are fewer and farther between..

Xbox 360 people, will be bored and played out after this summer, sell their accessories and games and buy a PS3.

6 million, will be a LOW number. They will EASILY match that, no problem. The PS3 may even rival some computers.. especially if your PC is used primarily for games, it may even sway a few hard core computer gamers.

I am tired of cheats. PC makes it too easy to cheat and modify games to be better and pad stats, and I am tired of it. The console games, EVENs the playing field. Sony, will enhance the experience, and the PS3, will be the greatest evolution to games since the joystick.

*The new Zelda game, woah...*

I waited for the new zelda game with the Game Cube was announced, back then it was called "dolphin".

2 years later, new Zelda came out. Yeah, no thanks. I am not interested in anything Nintendo has to say. They overpromise, under deliver and they did it 2 consoles in a row, I am done.

Not really.

Go buy a computer game, what's missing? The computer. What kind of rig does it take to make a good computer game? $1500? $2000? $2500?

Cheaper???!?! HA! That's because you already HAVE a computer, so its easy to suggest that paying 600 for a console is crazy.

Kids that are just NOW old enough to start playing games, parents can get them a console for 600 bucks, that is cheap by comparison, and there are NO upgrades for it.. just games.

40-50 bucks a pop, but its just like the computer AND all they need is a plain old TV to play it on.. HDTV may look better, but its NOT required.

Total investment for a console game, $800 MAX, then buy games.

A computer, a video card alone (for the newer computer games) is $400 easily. You pay $400 - $800 a year for the avg computer gamer upgrades, only 1 console every 3-4 years.

I will take console.

Heh..

I remember getting reamed royally a few months ago when I said Sony would have more than enough units at launch.

Hell, I think I even said something about 6 million. But hey...what do I know, right?

*grin*

Maybe today, some punk kid beating the crap of out you on WoW may change your mind...

The new Zelda games ships the same day as Wii, there will be no waiting. Did you watch the live gameplay today? Either way that's your opinion, makes no difference to me. I think it's great.

new zelda game, lol

heard about that one, ummmmm, 3 or 4 years ago i think. even saw a demo at least 2 years ago. 2 other zelda games out since.
with nintendo, i'll believe it when i see it
oh yah, the ds sucks
love my cube though

Well my point was, that I wanted Zelda, I waited for Zelda, I was promised Zelda within 6 months, then a year, then another year.. I was upset, so I don't trust Nintendo anymore, and believe me, I am a huge Zelda fan.. but beyond Zelda, the Nintendo doesn't hold any interest for me.

If you say it will be out the same day, then I think that is great. I really hope it will, because I *MAY* be interested again, but I have a really bad experience the last time I waited for Nintendo stuff..

The prices are nowhere near as bad as I expected. I was expecting an $899 Pricetag for the premium package. $599 is a freakin steal! The PS3 has so much more to offer than the X360 as well.

Such as?

I think there are somethings it can offers those that have no computer, but for someone like myself, who has a computer and a 360, where's the point in the PS3?

"$599 is a freakin steal!"

Too bad Sony is doing the stealing. $600 for the PS3 is ridiculous, and in Europe it's over $700. As for it having so much to offer over the 360, I don't see anything worthwhile. Blu-Ray? Please...

if you have a computer, what's the point in the xbox360?
doesn't the xbox port all the computer games to it, cause they're so similar. just look at GTASA, came out a year ahead on the ps2 than the xbox or computer, also FFVII.

ps3 has exclusive games(just not halo, but then again, i have a puter for that)

All consoles have exclusive games, so what?

what does xbox have that's exclusive?(and good)

Project Gotham Racing 3, Kameo, Perfect Dark Zero...do I have to do all your research for you?

ok, point taken, guess i just didn't like any of the Xbox exclusive games.

New announcement, you can add Grand Theft Auto IV to that list. :)

I take it you own a Xbox360 then.. You seem to be concerned that it's gonna be obsolete soon.

Nope, I do not own any current generation console nor do I hold allegiance to any the way fangirls like you do. The only consoles I have right now are a Dreamcast, Playstation One and N64. If I were going to buy one today it would probably be the Wii, with the 360 coming in a very close second. The PS3 does not interest me at all.

Sounds like pure jealously to me..

You don't even own a current gaming system, so why should we even take your opinion seriously?

Nope. They are NOT portable. There are hacks you get for the computer that allow you to run SOME xbox games, but not all, and they don't work very well.

Xbox is basically Windows XP stripped down to bare minimum, on basic PC hardware.

The games are NOT compatible.

A good gaming software company can port to ANY platform, not just similar ones. C++, is written on several languages, so you can port to ANY platform with the change of a simple library. Just compile it against a different DLL and that's it.

Some gaming companies prefer Sony over Xbox, and vice versa.. That's why there is some exclusivity, that and license agreements, you can ONLY play NFL games made by EA Games, for instance, because Madden has exclusive rights for the next 10 years. So, ESPN, is BETTER than madden, but it doesn't matter.. ESPN might make a game similar but they can't use real player names, teams, etc...

Boo hoo, you're just jealous! Why don't you and Mark get married and get it over with. Start a little fanboy family.

"A good gaming software company can port to ANY platform, not just similar ones. C++, is written on several languages, so you can port to ANY platform with the change of a simple library. Just compile it against a different DLL and that's it."

trust me
there's a little more to it than that ;-)

There is far more to it than that unfortunatly.

Don't be shocked to see Microsoft lower the price of the 360 in the days leading to the release of the PS3. They love to steal each others thunder. Of course, Sony will sell out the shipments due to early adopters and the like, but still...thats a high price tag.

That _could_ happen, but unlikely since it will still be $100 cheaper to buy an Xbox 360 w/hdd than the base PS3 system, so why would MS need to lower the price? As sony can always change their minds, Microsoft will likely wait untill the last minute to announce the price cut--if they decide to cut the price, that is.

And when it does drop I'll be all over it. I'm certainly not paying $599 for a gaming system!

No thanks, Wii for 4tw. ;)

I'm an Xbox guy and far from being a Playstation guy. Most folks here have figured that out by now. However, even I must admit that comparing the "cheap" Xbox 360 to the "cheap" PS3--the cheap PS3 will sell more than the cheap 360. I guess you could say it is "less crippled" being that it at least HAS a hard drive.

Still--Sony is underestimating the power of $$$ affecting consumer choice (to some degree, I suppose,so is Microsoft). Wii, as horrid as the name is, will sell more because it will be drastically lower-priced. However, enthusiasts and the older "gamers" will stick with the PS3 and 360 for primary gaming. All I'm saying is that when kids beg their parents this year for a PS3 "or an Xbox 360" for Christmas, guess what? Parents will buy the 360. Mark and the other sony fans will of course buy the PS3 alone, but how many people are like that? I prefer the 360 because I like it better, I like the price a little better, and I prefered the Xbox to the PS2. I am not choosing it because I hate sony (though I am disappointed in them as of recent times), or because I am "a Microsoft fanboy". If the PS4, or whatever it'll be, comes out lower priced than the XBOX 720/YBOX/whatever, and the PS4 games are better, I will choose the PS4.

Point is, I am not "bound" to Microsoft--I just wanted to clarify that.

"However, it's likely that most gamers will opt for the more expensive console, as the basic model is missing several key features...The $499 version will not include MemoryStick, SD, and CompactFlash ports, as well as wireless networking..."

HAHAHA, even I must admit that exclusion of the compactflash readers and such will have little if any affect on choosing between the $500 and $600 version. Mark Gillespie doesn't even have to point that out.

"... Additionally, no HDMI support is provided with the low-end model, which will cripple its compatibility with high-definition televisions."

Does it truly "cripple" HDTV compatibility? I don't see how--it'll work with them, just not show all that it would if it were the $600 version.

I am actually surprised that Sony does truly have, IMO, a decent "base" system. If I were planning to buy a PS3 (currently I am not), I would certainly buy the cheaper one, which I could NEVER even CONSIDER for the "base" 360.

I think Nintento are targetting a much younger gamer than the gamers Sony and Microsoft are targetting. This is WHY the Nintendo WII has to be cheaper, as it's the parents who will be spending the money.

The markets Sony and Microsoft are competing in, is aimed at your 20yr-35yr old gamer market, where many of these will be buying with their own money, and want a much more powerful and feature complete system.

Whilst many people are saying the basic PS3 is crippled, it's not as badly crippled as the XBox 360 core, and the top end PS3 is better featured than the top end XBox 360.

So the market will look like this (from cheapest feature light, to expensive feature full)

WII
Xbox 360 Core
PS3 Basic
XBox 360 Full
XBox 360 Full with bundled HD-DVD.
PS3 Full

Unless the XBox360 HD-DVD add-on is less than $100 and the Xbox360 gets a price drop, it's still cheaper to buy a PS3 basic with Blu-Ray.

The only thing that Sony have screwed up, is the lack of HDMI on the basic model, with no obvious upgrade path to add one. Meaning Blu-Ray movies played on a basic PS3 MAY (depending on the content providor) be downsampled to DVD quality. This reason alone means that it's worth paying the extra $100 for the full (unless you plan not to own a HD-Ready TV in this console generation).

The lack of HDMI on the basic system, and the prospect of downsampled movies, if the studio decide that they want to, means myself and many others I suspect will opt for the more expensive version.

You obviously have not seen the specs on the PS3, it will be WAAAAAY better than the Xbox. This will be *THE* console to have, so you can keep your Xbox (I skipped this last round, because I want the PS3, and I don't want to waste any more money on XBox games).

You will change your mind when the PS3 comes out..

There's no lack of HDMI....
the reazon why they didnt include it is because a new standard is being developed ... so implementing a "dying" technology on a cutting edge device MAKES NO SENSE ....
.... in other words ..... until this new standard "DisplayPort" is more widely adapted, console makers will have to wait to see what to bundle their systems with.

"... Additionally, no HDMI support is provided with the low-end model, which will cripple its compatibility with high-definition televisions."

"Does it truly "cripple" HDTV compatibility? I don't see how--it'll work with them, just not show all that it would if it were the $600 version."

Well, as it will be unable to decode AACS/HDCP material, you will not see an HD picture, but you will be able to play all of your home movies that you burn on your OTHER Blu-Ray burner! Whoopee!

So when's the party to watch your home movies?

;-)

"You obviously have not seen the specs on the PS3, it will be WAAAAAY better than the Xbox. This will be *THE* console to have, so you can keep your Xbox..."

PS3 specs may be WAAAAAY better than the 360, I can't agree or disagree on that yet. My point is that I prefer the Xbox because:

1. It is cheaper;

2. I personally prefer the games on Xbox vs. PS2 games. I liked some of the old Playstation classic games like Twisted Metal and Tekken, but can't name any other Playstation exclusive games I really enjoyed past those (FFVII rocks, but I still have the PC version with an unofficial Windows XP compatible patch);

3. I've invested in Xbox games and gear, I really like Halo and KOTOR series games, and haven't really liked any recent FF games and such.

Basically, the games and controller are mostly the deciding factors for me, and the price is a big factor as well.

PS3 obviously isn't aiming for the same audience as Nintendo is. PS3 will no doubt sell with the hardcore gaming audience. Nintendo will sell to people who don't care how many polys are in Halo 3 or MGS4. They want fun games that they can pick up and play without having to spend hours and hours on.

I didn't buy an X360 because it was too expensive (£280 before any games, plus other extras such as a second controller) so call it £400 realistically. Now if it is £600 for the PS2 that will be like £750-800 before it is a full purchase (game, second controller, decent (not the cheap supplied cable for video), etc.) Sorry but that is way too much for me. I am looking at the Wii and thinking, providing the price isn't too high (say £150), I will pick one up as the controller looks pretty fun for when we have friends over, much like how Mario Tennis is fun now in 4 player when we have friends over.

The Wii isn't trying to compete with the PS3 however it kinda looks like Sony IS trying to compete with the Wii. The controller is fun on the Wii but on the PS3 it looks kinda desperate, the PS3 (much like the X360) is just about raw power, they shouldn't worry about the casual gamers, the product isn't priced for them.

HDMI is not dying, and the DRM in HDMI is different than the ones in DisplayPort. DisplayPort DRM did not use HDCP, and highly unlikely to be supported by either HD-DVD or Bluray.

Dangit!!! I'm getting acronym fever!!!

By Mark Gillespie May 7, 2006 - 9:21 AM
"Not sure where you got $600 from, there is no way PS3 will be that much, it would be commercial suicide.. Sony know that, we know that.."

Well Mark, it looks according to your own words Sony has committed suicide. Of course you are now back peddling like crazy and acting like it's not so bad at all.

"The only thing that Sony have screwed up, is the lack of HDMI on the basic model, with no obvious upgrade path to add one."

The ONLY thing?

"The lack of HDMI on the basic system, and the prospect of downsampled movies, if the studio decide that they want to, means myself and many others I suspect will opt..."

To pass on the PS3. It's too expensive for what little they are offering. I just watched the E3 Nintendo conference, and they blew Sony away.

I agree with all your points. My xbox replaced my PS, N64 and Dreamcast. It was so good, I opted for the 360 instead of waiting for the PS3. IT also had to do with my preferring the 360 game selection too.

As far as PS3 specs being WAAAAAY better? A Pentium 3.6Ghz processor is WAAAAAY better than an old 486 system. But a 3.6Ghz processor is far from WAAAAAY better than anything above a 2Ghz system. And the differences between 360 and PS3 are even smaller.

Having trouble with your numbers? PS3 is not $600, it's $499.

At lest the HDMI is optional, you want one? Buy the $599, if not buy the $499.

Xbox360, you have no HDMI, and it's looking like even the HD-DVD add-on won't have one based on MS suggestions...

HDMI is not dying v1.3 of the HDMI spec has just been released.

LOL

$600=$599.
$500=$499.

Pretty simple, if you ask me...but I guess some folks have problems with rounding.

I disagree. Cabbage Patch kids, Ferbie, those dolls and games that come out and appeal to the kids, parents have proven they will spend whatever they can, to make their kids happy. Its a simple as that.

Its either you appease the kids and give them what THEY want, or never hear the end of it.

That's why they target the kids, and not the parents.. its what the KIDS want, not what Parents can find cheap. That's the way it goes.

Yeah same here, there are numerous boards that contend HDMI doesn't provide any enhancement over standard SVGA or DVI.

I researched it myself, been to the store, I can't see any real difference, or none at all. Even the sales people can't explain how HDMI is better, so if it gets that hard to explain.. then the cost/benefit isn't that great.

*The Wii isn't trying to compete with the PS3...*?

WHAT??!?!? You can't be serious. Nintendo doesn't want to compete with Sony or Xbox, huh. I guess you know more than their marketing team, because that's NOT what they say.

We at Nintendo are content to be the 3rd place console gaming experience. We are just enjoying catering to the 12 people that use our product, and we just like to go to all this trouble to promote a console, that won't even come CLOSE to the Xbox or PS3. We enjoy our very small niche in the market, and we really don't want to grow as a company...

Yeah, right!

Like I said, you obviously have not seen the specs on a PS3... You are ASSUMING based on previous experience, but the PS3 for starters will have a dual processor..

So a 55% increase in performance isn't WAY better? Are you kidding me?

The differences between the 360 and PS3 are night and day. Like I say *AGAIN* - *YOU* obviously have not *SEEN* the specs on a PS3, because they *ARE* that much better.

You imply that the only option is the $600 console.

As it is, it's either $1 or $101 less than that.

Wow... Now you can't read?

$600=$599.
$500=$499.

Please inform the audience how the above implies one option?

...and we're not all perfectionist pricks, man. It is perfectly acceptable to round any '99' to the nearest '00'. Get over it.

"The controller is fun on the Wii but on the PS3 it looks kinda desperate"

the biggest drawback of the PS3
there better be a way to plug the dualshock2 into it

"The SALES people can't explain how HDMI is better"!?
Oh, well! Trash the standard then! The experts have spoken! And lay off the rest of those idjets who bothered to take those silly engineering courses! I thought they were a little weird from the beginning!

Gee, but if the 19 year old BestBuy SALES people can't explain it... ;-)

The standard requires the HDMI interface. At this point it doesn't matter if they required an interface consisting of marshmellows, the standard is already defined using this interface. Whether it is the best or the worst connector is a moot point at this point of the discussion! They are not proposing the standard! It has already been defined! They have already determined the set of rules by which the process is defined.

So you either play by them or are incompatible.
Thus your equipment is interoperable by virtue that you adhere to the standard or it is not. And if you are not compliant, your equipment thus breaks the chain and your equipment, or additional equipment downstream of yours, may not function properly.

All of this is a moot point. Anyone is free to do whatever they please! But this simply means that there is an increased chance that this equipment will be limited in its functional capabilities or in its ability to interface with other equipment adhering to the uniform standard.

Why are you persisting in debating what the standard SHOULD be? Its a bit late for that! Now you deal with it!

"Like I said, you obviously have not seen the specs on a PS3... You are ASSUMING based on previous experience, but the PS3 for starters will have a dual processor.."

Uhh...the xbox 360 has 3 processors and the PS3 has 9 CELL processors that are impossible to develop for...

But I don't care...after seeing the E3 Wii video that's the only console I'm looking forward to...graphics only get so good, do I really care if I see 1000 strands of moving hair on the characters as oposed to 800 strands of moving hair?

The wii should be much more FUN to play.

"This will be *THE* console to have"

lol really?? Why is that...because it has 9 cell processors, blu-ray and hdmi??

The new 64 bit AMD processors are *THE* processors to have for pc's!! If you have anything less then that you're just pathetic!!

lol your argument is borderline retarted...and definetly pre-high school mentality.

I don't care how poerfull the system is, and how many years it takes a company to develop a single scene for the complex system...I will definetly have MUCH more FUN playing the Wii...

You don't have to reply...I know what you want to say...

"ahhhhh the wii is far FAR inferior to the PS3, doesn't even have HD output!! that console SUCKS!!!".

Sony and Microsoft are going after gamers who want amazing graphics. Nintendo is going after people who remember playing games as a kid/teenage and would like to play games again but doesn't want to spend $600 on a console because they have other pirorities in life now (house, mortgage, family, etc.). I see that as aiming for different markets.