People fail to understand its GAMES that sell a system, it doesn't matter if Sony continues to drop the price unless it has games!

speaking of games, review of Lair -
http://www.gamespot.com/...vert&om_clk=topslot

Ouch!

and Dave should you actually read the article its only speculation, nothing confirmed. It also states MS will continue to outsell Sony 2-1 through the holiday season.

Dude, that was classically horrible...

"It's like Joust in 3D, only shallower."

LOL

"Supposedly, tilting the controller moves the camera while you're on the ground, but it never seemed to do much of anything for us."

What? It must be the rumble motors interfering with the sensors... wait, scratch that. I forgot, it just plain sucks.

"The frame rate dips and rises erratically..."

OMG, say it ain't so! But it's a bleeding-edge GeForce 7800... *giggle*

"This is the ultimate example of how gameplay suffers when all the work goes into making everything look pretty. There is nothing fun about it..."

Wasn't this one of those "Oh yeah? What about *insert ground-breaking title* coming out? It'll pwn everything the 360 has!" games they droned on about? Wow... I'm convinced.

Looks like a $499 80GB model is on the way....

http://biz.gamedaily.com...ustry/feature/?id=17307

http://www.dailytech.com...0GB+PS3/article8715.htm

http://www.gamasutra.com...s_index.php?story=15347

So who cares we all know they are desperate to sell emotion engine less systems.

Just adds to the mounting amount of money they are losing.

Haha, the "EE"-less PS3... that's going to be a joke. Backward compatibility already sucked out loud, and they decided to make it worse? Trying to emulate a MIPS processor through software... oh yeah, that's a much better option. Just look at all the emulators out there right now that try to do that very same task for previous consoles that used a RISC CPU (including the PS2)... some are better than others, but ultimately they don't compare to the performance of the actual console, no matter how much horsepower you throw at them.

Not just that, but they stated in July (concerning the 60GB model) that they had "ample inventory to meet the immediate needs of consumers in this territory for several months to come"... and in August (one month later) state that their warehouses were empty. Considering that approximately 159,000 were sold during the month of July, their own sales goals certainly didn't seem too lofty.

Spin spin spin...

Hey Dave"GB", looks like your praising Sony (as expected) again without thinking it through too carefully.

Sure is going to piss off a lot of people who thought they were getting a "good deal" on the 60GB at that same price just last month (and now). Now it seems like they paid the same price for 20GB less storage space, and no bundled game.

How do you think this is going to affect sales on the 60GB once you start helping to spread this rumor all over the place? The 60GB models will once again start to collect dust on retail shelves because people will know that if they hold out, they can get the "better" one for the same price soon.

Hysterical... no matter what Sony does, someone gets the sh*t end of the stick (and it's usually their "valued" customers). LOL

This is for Davie, Minutemaid AKA (kool Aid), and all the other BG shills

http://www.itbusinessedge.com/blogs/rob/?p=145

Of course the shills are attacking, funny that seems to be normal with them.

one blogger who bought himself a HD DVD player at BestBuy in the sale, and figures he can sway the world towards a dying format.

Very credible.

http://www.nxtbook.com/n.../index.php?startpage=70

Page 70. Read it a weep HD DVD fanboy.

Just finding stuff like you people post. Funny how you always resort to crap links and call them gospel. Even if the rumor is true about the Paramount pay-off it still equals you lose. One less studio for you. I also find is funny that all you fan boys were crying in you cheerios about this for what like a week. The you decided to have a stupid email campaign. Total sales of both format only equals like 2 percent of the total disk sales do you think they really care about a couple of childish emails from a bunch of whiners.

You really need to sit back and listen to yourself.

It is also who some of you blowhards over at bloray post pictures of your blo-ray collections . You buy hundreds of disks in a desperate attempt to prop up your format. I would be curious what sales would really be like if owners did what most normal people do and that is buy only what they like. Some of the movies on both formats are simply not worth buying on since they are marginal improvement at best.

You truly do not get it. I can't wait till the time comes when blo-ray really screws their supporters, well not that they haven't already. Many of us will be the first to laugh at you.

Did you ever think that you might get a little more respect here and on other forums if you didn't respond with childish accusations and name calling. Maybe one day you will grow up a little and actually find a life. Posting one tons of webs sites either means you are a child with with nothing better to do or an employee of Sony spreading rumors and stating them as fact in a desperate attempt to gain support for your DRM infested consumer screwing format.

You don't ever have to defend your actions SGD, especially for someone like him. He is insignificant and he knows it. Why do you think he is so angry and depressed?

He's a cumstain on the comforter of life. Some people aspire to be great, he's just a cheerleader for a format that no one really gives a s*** about and spends every waking moment digging up BD stories.

Dont believe me?

http://www.google.com/se...tIndex=&startPage=1

My favorite is his "BD support day" and it goes on and on until something like page 22

He posts customer reviews on products he DOESNT EVEN OWN. Just look at this GUYS list of sites he posts at, all under the same name, saying the exact same crap.

This group of his that hangs out and rubs each other d***s at blu-ray.com do more harm than good and turn people off to BD all together.

Everyone at the AVS forum jokes about these guys and most of them have been banned for trolling. DaveBG still gets mentioned quite a bit over there.

All of this coming from a guy who watches movies played on a game console on a 42" DLP.

I don't understand how he has so much time to spread his misguided opinions. Maybe it has something to do with the lack of content on his beloved PS3. The campaign seems like real desperation and actually kind of childish.

I added some stuff to my reply to the clueless one.

I agree,

What you see on Google is just a glimspe of what this guy does with hs time, I'm sure there are dozens of other sites he posts on with different nicks.

He has 700+ posts on the blu-ray.com furum alone. Most of them are just a couple word replies because everyone in there is just like him and they ban anyone who comments positively about HD-DVD.

His long posts are everywhere else where people think for themselves and he has to try and convince us that this stupid format is going to take over the world.

The fact is he doesnt actually believe BD is better or is going to win and here's why. Everything he posts like "BD Support day" and "buy-a-thons" to boost the numbers at Amazon for BD are only to make it appear that BD is the more popular format.

When 5 percent of the HD movie viewing world is buying 1/3 of all the HD movies sold, that's a problem and he knows it.

His behaviour is OCD (obsessive compulsive disorder) according to my wife, he truly has mental problems. It's just like the multiple nick thing here at BetaNews, he assumes fake identities to make it appear like there is a dozen blu-ray fanatics in here.

He has somehow convinced himself that he is a very important member of the BD group and the world can't go on without him. In reality, he probably works at a store like Best Buy where he can lie to people that don't know any better and convince them to buy BD.

That picture you saw was his parents TV with a dusty PS3 that hasnt been used since it was purchased. I think he's about 18 years old with no girlfreind, car, or freinds.

Too funny.

I can not agree more about the pathetic bloray website. Those people have really gone off the deep end. I tired to correct a blatant lie there and got banned. That is about as gay as gay can get.

Hey DaveBG / Minute,

It's too bad you are so broke that you have to belong to a "camp" instead of being a fan of HD movies. How's that "massive" 42 inch DLP in your living room? Have you ever had relations with a female?

By the way moron, "under the table" tactics are secretive (Like Sony paying Disney), they don't involve a public statement letting everyone know they are paying a company to go exclusive.

You have severe self esteem issues and no ambition. You will be stuck in a bad paying 9-5 job for the rest of your life. This is probably the reason why you are so bitter and angry all the time.

That and the fact you have no money and the nicest thing you own is that sad, dusty entertainment system that you so proudly displayed for all to see.

BWAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHHAHAAH!

It's a plasma you anus.

How would you know Steve / Dave / jagoff?

That's right, you're all of them.

Why would you care unless you're Steve. Steve is the one that posted that set up....Oh wait.

Precisely my point, thanks siryak. I have a freind who can't keep his mouth shut when you challenge him and he is also a compulsive liar.

I don't get people like that. Your friend reminds me of my ex-wife's previous husband. He lied so much that he would constantly forget who he told what... a complete waste of oxygen and a laughing stock with coworkers and anyone that knew him.

Did Sony pay Disney to go blu?

If a statement like this was made in the HD DVD arena the fanboys would be running crying fowl but since it is Sony it will for the most part go unnoticed.

At this years IFA (Giant Consumer Electronics Show) convention in Berlin the backers of Blu-ray was asked if they had received financial means in order to support Blu-ray.

Warner Bros, 20th Century Fox, MGM and Sony Pictures all said no. However, Disney answered with a more doubtful "No Comment."

This does not say they have received money, however it is strange they did not use the opportunity to set the record straight.

I see the HD DVD camp are resorting to spin to try and set the focus away from their under the table antics.

I wonder how much money Toshiba have wasted to date, trying to get market acceptance for it's sub-par format.

I wonder how much money $ony has wasted trying to get the DRM infested, overpriced, drink coaster accepted. Hate to wake you up from your fantasy land, but those movie companies did not go Blo-Ray exclusive because they wanted to show their support for $ony. $$$ was involved. It is more profitable to support both UNLESS they receive some kind of incentive.

Errm, they went Blu-Ray because they collectively created it.

Whilst I know it's trendy to pretend it was just Sony that created Blu-Ray, reality is somewhat different, it was 20 hardware companies, some of the biggest companies in hardware are media.

That is why they support Blu-Ray, because it's their standard, they spend money developing it, then get money for licencing it to non member companies.

There is no way Apple, Dell, Hitachi, HP, JVC, LG, Mitsubishi, Panasonic, Pioneer, Philips, Samsung, Sharp, Sony, TDK, Disney, Fox would ever give up.

Funny how it came from a web site that has already said that it prefes blo-ray. Good try though. There is no spin just looking at the facts.

For those that need links to make themselves feel bad here ya go. By the way there is more than just this one site that has given its support of blo-ray.

http://bluray.highdefdig..._to_Payoff_Question/919

Why would a studio (Sony) that makes blu-ray have the customer in mind. But we all know Sony's track record with that.

There may be some truth to what you are saying but you are also stretching the truth. Sony is a majority holder so it is theirs since they control every aspect of the format. They control when the customer will be screwed and that will happen shortly when locked disks become a reality. You will be stuck with all the stupid movies that you bought just to help the format, poor Dave or who ever you are today.

All Blu-ray players (stand-alone or otherwise) are sub-par, which makes Blu-ray the sub-par format by default.

Lol you just keep telling yourself that. I seriously doubt a MOVIE studio had anything to do with it, and even if they did I seriously doubt all of them did. Also funny you should mention HP since they also put HD-DVD players in their computers. I am sorry to wake you up from your fantasy world, but $ony is a no good money grubbing company just like ALL of the big companies in the world. That is the reality of it.

Hey MinuteMaid,

We all know you are DaveBG and now I'm convinced you are a total freak with absolutely no life.

Just for the hell of it, I typed in "DaveBG Blu-Ray" in Google search. You have huge issues my freind. You are without a doubt the saddest case of faboyism I have ever seen.

You are a member of dozens of tech websites, and you use the same nick in all of them which is "DaveBG". My wife was sitting next to me when I was posting a few comments and wanted to know why someone spends this kind of time cheerleading anything Sony.

She says you will never get laid. I am inclined to agree.

I also see you are banned from the AVS forums.

Freak.

Sorry, your way off the mark.

people who do a google search for someones username and then browse all the results are the ones with absolutely no life.

Maybe your wife should be asking you why your googling another individual to see what they say on message boards you don't even belong to, or why you went through a sad little phase of non stop posting pictures of someones piece of s*** tv to try and make yourself feel better? maybe she should be asking herself why she is sitting beside you.

you are sad. stop looking up people on google and get a life.

You sorry son of a b****. The only reason you don't use all of those previous nicks is because everyone knows what a freak you are and they bust your balls whenever you use them.

You come up with new ones all the time to make it look like more than one person spends as much time as you posting about BD in as many forums as possible.

One of your posts at blu-ray.com even says "lets go out in force and spread our word by joining as many forums as possible". You have issues and you are completely ****ed in the head.

I'd bet your mother and father are actually brother and sister. I showed my wife (psychologist) your reply, she says you could be missing some chromosomes and might be borderline PS.

Where's Dave dlab? Oh thats right, you also suffer from fake online multiple personality disorder. You need help.

I can see you are aggravated so I will continue to beliitle your sorry a** from now until the second coming. I am still amazed at how you can find this many hours in a day to post your BS all over the place.

No, I'm right on the money and you know it. You are a complete and total loser and you are embarrassed.

You need to get laid BD boy. An online petition? 700+ posts on blu-ray.com? At least a dozen forums where you say the same BS over and over?

WTF is WRONG WITH YOU?

You need to create some new accounts, you already get flamed with the three you are using in this thread no matter what you say.

Try some new ones, let's see how that goes. By the way, you sounded like a little 8 year old girl when you were whining about the AVS forum banning you for life. I still say you cry when you jerk off.

Actually what is wrong with you. You seem to think everyone here is DaveBG.

Wouldn't it be funny if the site suddenly started posting I.P addresses, we will then REALLY see who the duplicate identities are (Siryak, SGD, Hocuspokus, Hollywood__)

ok dave

"we will then REALLY see who the duplicate identities are (Siryak, SGD, Hocuspokus, Hollywood__) "

- LMAO.

Is that the best you have got?

Stupid accusations?

Sorry to disillusion you but I have one account here, I use one nick & I have never posted here under a different name or account in my life.

But your mentality is (once again) clearly exposed, anyone who rebutts & refutes the Sony/PS3/Blu-ray shilling just has to be......er......what.....like you guys?

Something like the 'project hydra'?

LMAO.

You guys are so hilarious & utterly shameless.

Better luck on some other site where people aren't so green & gullible cos you getting busted right, left & centre everytime here.

You know, to be fair to MinuteMaid, pitdingo, et al... their posts don't have anywhere near the same level of immaturity as DaveBG's. Sure, they may spout off the same misguided crap in unison like the Munchkins from the Wizard of Oz, latching on to any soundbyte they can get their hands on from "industry insiders" and spread it from forum to forum like a bad case of herpes, devoid of fact... but I try to give the benefit of the doubt.

Just because they think the same doesn't necessarily mean they are the same. :)

Guess again.

Sorry Minute. I have better things to do then make multiple accounts like you.

From forum to forum I think not.

Whoa... I think you misunderstood. I was talking about MinuteMaid, pitdingo, etc. Sorry. :)

Sorry about that. This is the only one I post to. I did make a couple of posts on bloray but got band for proving some people wrong on what they were saying. That site should be the national inquirer of misinformation.

Why would you care unless you are the person who I am making look like a complete jackass?

Oh wait.....

That is something my freind would say. He's completely full of s*** and a liar too.

By the way George Foreman Grill is the nickname for the PS3... it really does look like one.

People will have to think about the last part of my comment to find out what im saying as I can't say what it means bluntly. ;)

These Sony Fanboys are probably too emptyheaded to know what it means! XD

Realease a $249.99 1tb (1000gb) one. Then I'll think about buying one. But then again, maybe not since there aren't any good games out for it yet.

If they don't place something at the $499 price point they are dead. But even if they do, they are not going to pull ahead of the BrickBox 360.

Of course, the Wii is WTFPWNBBQSAUCE everyone this generation. My bet is shortly after the holidays M$ will start talking the XBox 720 since the 360 is a failure and Sony will start talking the PS4.

And yet again you post the same crap as always.

Well, for once I actually agree with him, but he lost me on the second part of his comment, which just got ridiculous, as expected. :)

Yeah my post was about the 720 crap he always spews.

"But even if they do, they are not going to pull ahead of the BrickBox 360."

"M$ will start talking the XBox 720 since the 360 is a failure ..."

???

If it's outselling the PS3, how is it a failure [in global sales, before you say the PS3 did in a certain day/week/month ect.]?

Dude, this bas**** is sick. He lives in some fantasy world where Sony makes money.

Lol a fantasy world is the only place $ony can make money. Lets look at all the losses shall we. Massive battery recalls, 2 billion+ POS3 losses, TV sales are in the craper, and now Blo-Ray is started to swirl down the toilet. The investors are not very happy right now I'm betting. Is there any place in the industry that $ony is actually making money? That might be a shorter list to make.

Hey all you fanboys how is Warhawk oh yeah the server is down so ya can't play. Gotta love online only.

Haha... tell 'em to check the PS3 in the 4th rack, 7th one down.

Warhawk? What's that?

Some worthless exclusive for the PS3

Sony are soo boring with their PS3... Sony: Hmm I think we should improve the graphics in the next playstation and the disk drive.

Also Sony are full of BS... Sony: We cant include vibration in the controller because it will interfere with the motion sensing.
Hmm didnt the Wii include vibration with their controller and their controller has FULL MOTION SENSING AND THE VIBRATION DOES NOT INTERFERE WITH IT!

I hate Sony fanboys too... they will do anything for their beloved Sony but I never pay any attention to them as I don't listen to people who stick their sausage in their George Foreman Grill and play all night long.

Mother: What are you doing upstairs?
Son: Just playing with my PS3!
Mother: Come down for dinner its ready now.
Son: Ok im nearly finished, just give me 5 more minutes.

LMAO XD

Sony: We cant include vibration in the controller because it will interfere with the motion sensing.
Hmm didnt the Wii include vibration with their controller and their controller has FULL MOTION SENSING AND THE VIBRATION DOES NOT INTERFERE WITH IT

Exactly. The real reason was because Sony got the smackdown from Immersion for stealing their technology that Sony used in the DualShock controllers. Sony didn't want to pay royalties, Immersion took it to court, injunctions, fines, damages, yada yada yada...

Hence, no tactile-feedback in the PS3 controllers... just a laughable implementation of motion sensing.

Excellent, right on the money on that one.

You people still don't realize that they lose hundreds on every console. I say let them sell a billion of them. $350+ each on the $499 60GB or so.

All of the people who wanted a PS3 as a cheap BD player bought them right away (like me), all of the recent sales are more than likely for gaming only.

I do like the fact that you can swap HD's quickly and cheaply.

You do realise that costs come down over time?

The most recent cost breakdown of the PS3 shows a $180 saving over the Nov 06 part breakdown..

So it's now only a $170 loss per console. Whilst it may seem alot, that is actually less than the 360 loses per console (the 360 losses are hindered by the crap relability).

There is a profit on the 360 but you will never admit that.

Yeah, and that was back in November 2006 also. They made a profit of $75 on the 20GB version of the 360.

Are you all idiots? Do you believe everything you read on BetaRumours?

http://www.gamesindustry...tent_page.php?aid=24765

Rememeber this was BEFORE 11 million faulty consoles, and millions of wireless adapters and steering wheeels.

Microsoft have never made a single cent on Xbox, and lost in excess of $8Billion.

What "millions of wireless adapters and steering wheeels"? What "$8Billion"? If you're going to make claims that ridiculous, at least be prepared to back them up.

As far as believing all the BS you spew forth or believing the editors of this site, I'll choose the latter... every single time.

As far as the link you posted, very good information. I'm proud of your for not linking to a Sony-biased site. I especially enjoyed the rest of the article...

"Right now we're doing a pretty good job. We're humming pretty well in the business. Game attach rate [is at the] highest level in history for a game console at this stage in the life cycle. The same with our peripheral attach rate. Xbox Live has over 6 million members. The pieces are in place to drive the proverbial billion dollars."

"I think Nintendo and Microsoft are clearly in the driver's seat on what's happening in this generation," he said. "Sony I think has some real challenges. They've got a pricing problem, they have a cost problem, they have a content problem, and they don't have an online service."

Good stuff... but nothing we didn't already know.

Those hoping to get a discount on Sony's PlayStation 3 game console by snapping up the discontinued 60GB model better act fast: Sony says it has completely depleted inventory in its warehouses, which means what's on retail shelves will be the last units available.

In announcing the price drop and the new $599 80GB PS3, Sony said it expected to continue selling the $499 60GB models through the fall. It's not clear what Sony will do once no more 60GB PS3s are available, but analysts speculate the company will lower the 80GB price to $499 to keep sales up at current levels.

That's the articlle seems self explantory and look nothing about Xbox360 in there!

Minutemaid or Dave what ever you want to call him will drag MS into every single thread just spill his vial hate. He has no clue most of time, well all time but that is no surprise. Most of the fanboys are that way. Desperate to bring up all kinds of inaccuracies and made up stories. I have learned to expect nothing less from him.

He usually posts links to the very reputable inquirer or some other gossip rag and call it the bible. He just makes stuff up in hopes that people will believe him.

I like the positive comments about the online with the 360. I would rather pay MS for their online than the piece of crap that the PS3 has. The best part or at least most enjoyable feature with the 360 to me is the achievements. Makes you want to play more to get more points just because. What does the the PS3 do to make you play more of the game, oh yeah the games so far still stink. It can fold, big deal so can my PC and it can actually be used to do things other than heat the room.

You are good at name calling when you are wrong. Plus, if you don't like betanews do us all a favor and leave.

Don't forget the tens of millions of ps2's that won't read disk or the tens of millions of PS1's that are on their lids in order to read disks. Or the millions of batteries recalled by Sony, or what about the dead minidisk. Sony has messed up far more than MS has do go back under your rock.

"He usually posts links to the very reputable inquirer or some other gossip rag and call it the bible".

- Yeah and steers well clear of any Blu-ray stories that don't look great whilst slamming HD DVD for the exact same thing.

How many tales of the Samsung BDP1000 not recognising and playing discs properly has he/she ever posted whilst whining on and on and on about a handful if HD DVD discs not working properly?
(which were all either rapidly replaced or fixed with new firmwares)

Dude, the M$ drones on here don't understand logic or facts. They are just trolls. To them M$ is God. They have no clue what computers or the world is like outside of the M$ world. Hence the name: M$ drone.

I just simply do not understand though. He seems rather intelligent when he chooses to let it show, but most of the time it seems like he simply enjoys stirring up crap just for the sake of it. Fame through notoriety, eh? Oh well... he still has yet to explain (prove, rather) how 50 reported wireless steering wheels and zero faulty wireless adapters = millions. His hate for Microsoft must be strong... it's incapacitating his ability for rational conversation.

I'm right there with you on the achievements comment. Going from Guitar Hero 2 on the 360 to the PS2 was sort of a let down for that reason. I like goals to shoot for, even if most of them are downright silly.

Haha... the upside-down PS. That brings back memories. I had two consoles that ended up that way. My brother went through two PS2 consoles as well, for disc read errors.

Not too long ago I purchased a PS2 (yeah, waited a while on that one). You know what hardware revision it is?

V15

That seems rather high to me, what do you think? I wonder why so many hardware revisions, hmm? :)

Using MinuteMaid's logic, that's 14 different hardware revisions of "faulty stock" for just one console. Oh, and don't forget the class-action lawsuit for the overheating power supplies for the PS2.

Everyone is capable of making "crap"... Sony was just more efficient at it with the PS2.

I try not to insult others too often, as some really can't help that they are incapable of knowing the difference between fact and fiction. I seriously doubt you could find a fact in an encyclopedia, though.

I really feel sorry for you for being so brainwashed by Sony's do-no-wrong mentality. It goes both ways, my friend.

so you are saying M$ makes money on the brickbox 360? They were just getting into a position to make some money when the 11 million faulty consoles hit along with the scratched discs and faulty add-ons.

That hit put them into solidly into the red. they will eventually get into the black...as will Sony on the PS3.

Considering it is still selling, the games are delivering and the brick issue has been resolved.

try again?

The brick issues have not been resolved at all.

The newly launched Elite in the UK is failing, just as previous Xboxes have.

You won't see a resolution until the 65nm units arrive. That won't be until next year now.

Anyone buying a 360 this side of Xmas, is buying trouble.

There's a 3 year warranty.

Of course you have number to back up those tens of millions claims?

I doubt it's much more than a million in reality, which is and EVENTUAL failure rate of less than 1% (Bear in mind Microsoft's current 33% and eventual 100% failure rate).

I think it's more realistic to claim a million faulty PS2's over 7 years. But Microsoft of course have 11 million faulty 360's over 18 months.

source? Because everyone else tends to disagree with you, the 45 nm are coming in 2008.

try again?

The slim-line ps2 failed too and there are still people complaining about ps2 failing, do a search for it, they are recent.

1) extended warrenty does not fix a faulty hardware issue. the fact the 360 owners accept it is ridiculous. sure when it breaks you'll be covered...

2) extended warrenty puts more cost on mircosoft, which puts them father away from making profit... which was the original point

yea i guess they should have just offered an extended warrenty and that would have taken care of all the problems right? thats how it works in microsoft land right?

You make stuff up since you can never prove your statments. You are so desperate making stuff up your making yourself look like a moron.

Once again a simple google search will prove the statement. Some things really don't need a link since I would have to post so many sources it fill ten screens so move along oh clueless one.

The point is they made crap since so many broke. It it wouldn't have been for so many great games the system would have failed with that type of failure amount. But you people won't even fess up to the fact that there was a problem.

They would say that they gave you new great features with those upgrades. God forbid that MS would something like that. In fact didn't they remove stuff from the system? Oh wait they would never remove features "wink emtion engine", hard drive and other options.

I guess no more than you have shown "proof" of "millions of faulty steering wheels and wireless adapters".

Sony had years of problems with the PS2... drive problems, misaligning lasers, overheating, etc. This is rather well-known fact. Sorry to disappoint you.

Your "11 million" number holds no water. If the failure rate is 30-33%, then that works out to approximately 3½ million consoles worldwide. And you know what? That will more than likely be fixed with one hardware revision, not with 15 like the PS2.

I will say that it seems as though Sony learned from past mistakes with the PS and PS2. The PS3 does have a very impressive reliability rate so far, and that's great.

Did you forget to add the additional $100 for the price drop you complete waste of space?

10 to 1 say this a****** is on a Windows computer right now. It's also obvious you are all the same moron, would you give up already?

As long as they decide to continue manufacturing the PS3 with a Blu-ray drive and a Cell processor, I don't see how they will ever be in the black.

The PS3 is an extremely poor investment from a gaming and HD movie standpoint... no matter which side of Christmas.

No, not just "Microsoft Land". Actually that's the way it should work with any company who gives a damn about their customers, instead of ignoring the complaints of those who bought their products... foolishly, I might add.

Are you that dense? Yes, of course they should have offered an extended warranty, instead of pretending that the disc read error situation (among other problems) was the result of some worldwide mass hallucination. Instead, they opted to extort $120+ out of people for fixing a problem that was obviously a defect... defects that still exist to this day, 7 years and 15 hardware revisions later (that's 15... 11 for the old model, and 4 for the slimline model). They obviously were more concerned with getting their manufacturing costs down and making slight changes to try and thwart "modders" than they were with fixing known issues. Makes sense when you think about it... previously-modded consoles were going to fail anyway forcing people to purchase the newer versions when their old ones went belly-up (quite literally).

Microsoft acknowledged the problem (as they usually always have in the past), and they're going above and beyond as far as I'm concerned with trying to resolve the issues and keep their customers happy, without making them feel like they wasted their money. Sure, it's always a hassle to send something back for repair, but at least they've extended your opportunity to do so, and it didn't take a class-action lawsuit to make them do it.

Sadly, the only thing Sony seems to have responded to in the past is threat of large-scale legal action from the masses. I have never seen as many class-action lawsuits against a company for just one game console as there were with the PS2. As just one example:

http://www.consumeraffai...ctronics/sony_play.html

This went on for years, and anyone who hasn't been hiding their head in the sand (or up Sony's a**es) knows it to be true.

Yes, I bought a PS2, and I'm thoroughly expecting it to crap out, but ultimately I don't care. The way I see it, if they can't get it right now, when will they ever? The V15 hardware revision still has overheating and disc read problems... and since the inclusion of the unified EE and GS chip, it has compatibility issues with certain PlayStation and PS2 games? It has trouble with games that were designed for it??? The ePSXe emulator runs Lunar 2 Eternal Blue Complete better than the PS2 does. Unacceptable for a console that has been out for 7 years, but I finally got tired of holding my breath for a reliable revision of the PS2. I bought it for the games, not the hardware itself. Considering Sony's atrocious customer support and warranty issues, I didn't mind voiding it when I modded it.

Sorry, but 120+ million sold? Multiple replacements shouldn't count as sales.

There is not a 3 year warranty at all.

They will patch it up against RROD failures, for upto 3 years. That is not a 3 year warranty. 360 repairs are currently on a 6 week turnaround time.

If your machine starts scratching discs, or does not power on, guess what, it's not covered.

http://xbox360.qj.net/Re...inutes/pg/49/aid/101337

It was a bad day for Andru Edwards from PlayFeed. After getting a replacement for his bricked Xbox 360 console, his new one got the Red Rings of Doom after 20 minutes of play. He claims that the new console was manufactured on August 15 of this year, which suggests that the new line of consoles may still be having problems dealing with the red ring problem.

Edwards' first Xbox 360 got the red rings and he received a brand new replacement about three weeks later. After playing the Fatal Inertia demo for 10 minutes, Edwards moved on to Stranglehold where the new 360 froze in the opening sequence. When he manually reset the console, the red rings appeared.

Edwards expressed his dissatisfaction with Microsoft's service. He even cited an interview with Peter Moore who addressed the issue during E3. The question Moore was presented with was: " [...] Are you guaranteeing or insuring that the systems that are rolling off the assembly lines now and the systems that will be returned to consumers will be fixed properly this time?" Moore answered, saying:

Yeah. I mean, nothing is perfect, guys. [...] I can't guarantee everyone in the world that we go fix one thing and then something else [won't] happen. No I'd be stupid to make that guarantee. But I feel very, very good about the quality of hardware now. You guys know this, every day in the factories where we are building these and where we are learning more about it. [...] You're constantly tweaking, moving parts around, you’re renegotiating with suppliers because your goal is to continuously raise the quality of the box, and bring the price down.

Edwards also posted some pictures to back up his claim that the new console he received was indeed manufactured on August. Click on the image to enlarge.

One that failed does not constitute millions. You still dodge the previous sony system failures.

Yes there is a three year exten. If they fix it for free that means it is covered. If it isn't you pay for it. You really don't get it. Who cares if it is patched as you say and everything is fine. I know you will look up your as* and see into the future.

That, and he still dodges the challenge of providing proof of "millions" of "faulty" wireless steering wheels and wireless controller adapters.

The RRoD issues with the console itself are well-documented.

Math was never his strongest subject in school, I'm guessing. Poor guy... I actually almost feel sorry for him.

Yes, "RRoD" issues, which equals "general hardware faults"... covered.

There have been no reported incidents of consoles just deciding to start scratching discs all of a sudden. There were external factors involved. It had been determined that it was a direct result of moving the console from the horizontal to vertical position (or vice versa) while the console is on and the game disc is spinning (which the manual specifically states not to do... hence, user fault).

Xbox360 have a ONE year warranty for ANY kind of defects, thereafter they are covered by the 3 years of rrod errors.

That and countless other things are not his strong point. He is good at avoidance however.

Only in Sony/PS3/Blu-ray-land are 3 year long warranties 'bad'.

First of all what kind of a company after decades of selling consoles for a few hundred dollars say im going to sell a computer for a tv for several times the normal price. Then wonder, why oh why is this thing not selling? It's sooo powerful and great! And has all these features!

Sony deserves to lose money, the ps3 should of been nothing more then a upgraded/updated ps2 and had the same price point with add on's. So lesson learned, nintendo can't afford to make stupid mistakes, that is why they innovate and why they have a good price point and why, They make money! Imagine that. Sony could learn something from them.

and while your at it, the 70's just called, they want you to return their pet rock you've been clutching onto...

Maybe take a look at breaking away from "the old ways" and broadening yourself to more advanced entertainment capabilities?

My ps3 now replaces and simplifies what I used to have running with 3 bulky entertainment devices - a SS receiver, dvd player, and multimedia pc.

What I sold those items for was enough to pay for my ps3 + some extra. Worked out pretty well case. Solid cash in the bank with my situation.

I can do all those things on the xbox 360.

sure, if it doesn't brick out. The 360 does have horrible reliablity...you know. But what do you expect for M$...they certainly don't have a track record of solid engineering.

Is that the only response that you know? Come on the issue has been resolved. God you are like a broken record. Yes Sony has such a good record with consoles too. PS1's on their lid to read disks PS2's that stop reading disks all together but you tend to avoid that issue. There was a class action lawsuit to about but you will avoid that too.

All I can really say is that mine has never had one single issue in the year that I've had it... and only one of my coworkers had to send his back for a RRoD issue (caused by a game update).

I can imagine your response... "Do you even turn it on?", which is understandable. I have the same reaction towards someone who tries to tell me they never had any issues with Windows ME. I can assure you though, if I had problems with it, I'd be fussing. I don't have a steering wheel (analog stick is what I'm used to and works just fine for NFS and Forza), and the wireless controller is just fine (on both the 360 and my main PC).

Seriously, you really need to find something else to fuss about concerning the reliability issue, because it's not that much of an issue anymore. Honestly, I'm surprised at some of the PS3 demo units in most major retail outlets I've seen (Best Buy, Target, Wal-Mart, GameStop, etc)... either completely shut down or locked up. I've never seen a 360 demo unit down, and those get a lot of playtime. If someone has a problem with it getting hot, they need to learn how to respect what the hardware needs and not keep it on the carpet or in a heat coffin in their entertainment center. If there's something else wrong with it, take advantage of the warranty Microsoft put in place. That's what it's for.

He only knows MS hate and you will never here anything otherwise from him. If they were the only company making consoles he would still drive his hate compaign. He is rather annoying. He posted the crap he did about the PS3 on bloray he wouold be banned. They are so biased and in love with everything sony it is sickening.

100 bucks for 20 more gigs. so one without a drive would cost 300$? be nice if could buy one like that and just get your own drive.

in reality i doubt it would cost 300 for the driveless one since i doubt the actual price is actually 100$ per 20gigs

It would be funny if the math did indeed work out like that, but no...

$100 for 20 extra GB, plus a game that not everyone wants.

I've never been a fan of pack-in games. Wii Sports is one of those rare exceptions... and I'm not a sports fan of any magnitude.

I'd settle for $300 for a PS3 with a DVD-ROM drive instead of a Blu-ray drive, though. Maybe that would force them to start coming out with games.

PS3 is the most powerful i got one a few months after release, But the only downfall right now is no games VERY LIMITED, My guess after they get rolling with the games then it will take over like the ps2, But if you dont have internet just play offline then it might not be for you, Updates,Game Add Ons, (HOME) (release in november)makes it all worth it

So where's this price drop on the 80gb model of the PS3 then?

Several posters from the Blu-ray fanclub promised it here as soon as the 60gb dead PS3 sku was sold out.

Ah well, back to sales numbers that have fallen off of that cliff; again.

The PS3 is a monster machine, you can play Blu ray games and movies, you can insert pen drives and several kinds of memory cards, Wifi connection, it plays mp3, wma, mp4, and more. You can view your photos ans videos, Researchers are using the PS3 as a gateway of research (ex. cure for cancer ) Check Folding Home for further details. The PS network is great. For $599, I say it is quite a bargain.

So which Sony department do you work at? Advertising??? or Sales???

Because I'm sold, I'm getting one right now! :-)

As it stands the only thing the PS3 can do is fold since the games still stink.

Oh by the way you can collect your check for the week.

"As it stands the only thing the PS3 can do is fold since the games still stink."

Man, I wish Sony would just "fold" already. haha

"Researchers are using the PS3 as a gateway of research (ex. cure for cancer )"

I'll tell you what. The day the PS3 cures cancer is the day I go buy one. Deal?

*claps*

One of the funniest comments I've ever read.

I applaud the efforts put forth by the F@H team and all its participants, and it's great that someone found a way to utilize the power of the PS3 for it.

What's sad is F@H is the only thing the PS3 truly excels at.

Yep. It does everything except play games.

Lol I see it now.

ZOMG my PS3 can cure cancer!!!!
Really?! So what kind of cool games can it play!
Erm...Quebert ftw!!!

i seen on megagames.com wii supposedly has surpased 360 sales and certainly killed all hopes and dreams of the ps3 anybody verify that

So it's sold 10 million. The PS2 sold 120 million.

The console race has only just begun, if you think it's over, it's WAY from over..

...it's just over for Sony.

And the Wii is on pace to beat the PS2. The PS3 and XBox 360 are dead. Game over.

Well, the PS3 isn't cheap. It isn't a crappy XBOX 360 or a childish Wii (that's right, Wii is for kids)

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't Sony getting its @ss kicked by both MS and Nintendo???

Just a couple of years ago XBOX came out of nowhere to take 2nd place in the console race. Nintendo's childish Wii kicking Sony's technologically advanced PS3's @ss.

So I guess crappy XBOX and childish Wii must be doing something right.

That is kind of of reaching.

Yep, they're doing something right alright... they're releasing games for their game consoles.

reaching for what? The Wii is dominating the sales charts. It has been dominiating the charts ever since it came out.

M$ is dead already in Asia. The only place M$ is doing ok is in the USA, but even there Nintendo is closing in fast and will pass them this holiday.

M$ gave up on the first XBox and i see no reason why history will not repeat here.

nVIDIA gave up on the Xbox when they stopped producing the GPU. Microsoft didn't have much of a choice.

Yes, the Wii is seriously spanking. I really need to get one soon.

But that's not what you say about BJ-Ray and HD-DVD.

"M$ gave up on the first XBox and i see no reason why history will not repeat here."

That's the stupidest remark I've heard. So should Nintendo give up on the Wii because they gave up on the NES, SNES, N64 and Gamecube?

And that console has been out what like ten years or something like that. That makes sense to compare those numbers. You want to say that the PS3 has sold 5 million and the PS2 has sold 120 million so it is a bigger failure.

Everyone knows that the Wii is selling very well. They made a great system and deserve the sales numbers. Not everyone likes the Wii, PS3, or 360 so there will be systems that are not the number one selling that is kind of obvious. That does not make it a failure. A failure would be a system with sales numbers like the virtual boy or 3DO. The only reason that the 360 is not selling well in Asia is the lack of the strange games that they like. Once and if they can make something for them the system will sell. You can spin things how ever you want but you are still and looks like always will be wrong.

Are people still buying Sony products? They deserve what they get. I just have to laugh at them!

It's OK PS3 is made by Microsoft, according to Amazon...

http://www.amazon.co.uk/...d=1188501938&sr=8-1

I always thought the 360 was a PS3 wanna-be, but this proves it.

I dind't see Microsoft anyware on there, except for at the bottom where it said you also may be interested in the Microsoft Xbox 360.

That was funny when I saw that. Opps by Amazon.

Well, this is the closest to a Blu-Ray news post.

Seems BetaRumours don't want to post the good news Blu-Ray news, only focus on the bad stuff..

Studio Canal Now Supports Blu-ray
http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=443

Samsung Details Upcoming Blu-ray Players
http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=444

Sony Announces New Blu-ray Player
http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=445

Daewoo Displays Profile 2.0 Player
http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=446

BenQ Announces $199 BD-ROM PC Drive
http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=447

Philips Announces New Blu-ray Player
http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=451

Sharp Aquos BD-HP20S Blu-ray Player
http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=452

Loewe Introduces Blutech Vision Blu-ray Player
http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=453

China Hualu Group Co., Ltd Joins BDA
http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=448

So

http://www.betanews.com/...rs_in_Europe/1188490336

That isn't good news for blu-ray?

Of all the topics to debate that BN is unbalanced on, Blu-ray would be the worst. Betanews has had lots of positive news items for blu-ray.

Companies offer all kinds of new things that does not mean that they sell.

Why is it every time there's a Sony post about the PS3 some fanboi comes out of the woodwork about Blu-Ray?

Shoo, git, Troll!

Dave has to collect his paycheck some how.

"Studio Canal Now Supports Blu-ray
http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=443 "

- I love this one. Utterly hilarious.

Studio Canal (bigger than Fox, Lionsgate and MGM) supposedly now 'support' Blu-ray.

Go on then, tell us exactly how many movies they have produced on Blu-ray since that 'news' was made public on the BD fanzine sites?

(here's a hint - it's less than 1 but no greater than 0)

You BD shills just get ever more desperate.

well its been one day since it was posted... how many would you like to have seen?

In one day? Well none.. But what's important, is this is worthy news, as worthy as Paramount going HD DVD. But of course BetaRumours chose to ignore it, and post 200 stories about Vista SP1.

No it's not just a matter of one day.

That particular report might be one day old but members of the blu-ray fanclub have been claiming Studio Canal were 'format neutral' for several months.

.....which is awesome for them except they've not actually produced a single BD movie.

In fact in view of recent developments & news it is probable that they might never actually produce a BD disc.

You be sure to let us all know if they ever do, huh?

LMAO.

Clearly you guys are not quite 'on message'.

That particular report might only be a day old but members of your BD fanclub have been claiming Studio Canal as format neutral for months.

Without a single BD disc emerging.

Let us know if anything ever comes of it, huh?

Cos looking at their web site there isnt a single BD disc on offer or claimed as imminent either.

....note the revision here too, yeaterday they claimed Studio Canal were going BD exclusive, they aren't.

BetaRumors? Yeah, because a site called blu-ray.com is going to give you ALL the facts. No lies/rumors on that site I bet.

It clearly seems that you are far too dense to even realize when good news is posted about Sony or the PS3 (which doesn't happen often, through no fault of BetaNews)... not to mention too dense to realize this has nothing to do with Blu-ray whatsoever.

How could "Sony Depletes Inventory of 60GB PS3" construed as bad news? Of all people, I would have expected you to be screaming "We won!".

Sony claimed they had ample inventory to last through the fall, and now it seems their warehouses are empty. That sounds like good news to me as sales apparently have been decent... unless there truly was a shortage after all this time and Sony was blowing smoke up everyone's collective rear as usual.

Oh, and by the way... Sony's going to fire you if you don't learn how to spell "Blu-ray" correctly.

If you bring up the fact that they may be wrong you are quickly banned. At least the site isn't biased and guilty of makig crap up.

Sony Announced Price increase, cheapest system now $599 again. Hehehe. Couldnt help myself.

Maybe they will start making some good games to play on it.

Get them now while you still can - hardware based backwards compatibility is the only way to go.

As such, and because I just bought a 37inch Aquos, I picked one up for only $449 CDN after a nice discount from Best Buy. Can't beat that price!

Edit - Just sign up for their credit card and you get an instant discount on your first purchase. Pay it after 3 months, and then cancel. Boo yea.

just buy the cheapest one and replace it with a 160 gb hdd. much cheaper.

Plus, you don't have to accept a bundled game that you didn't ask for or necessarily want in the first place... and the removal of the Emotion Engine chip on the 80GB models cannot be better for backward compatibility for PS2 games (which already blows).

"analysts speculate the company will lower the 80GB price to $499 to keep sales up at current levels."

If sony has any sense left in them, they'll do that or something better. It is much, much better for sony to lose the money (in the shorter run) and make the sales than to make more off of much fewer sales. PS3 has grown recently, but it's still relatively small next to its current competition.