RSSSony Drops PS3 Price by $100
By Ed Oswald | Published July 9, 2007, 10:07 AM
Despite comments to the contrary from the company president just a week ago, Sony on Monday cut the price of the 60GB PlayStation 3 by $100, while also introducing the 80GB version to North American consumers.
The announcement comes days before the annual E3 gaming event in Los Angeles, where competitor Microsoft may announce its own price cuts in response to Sony's moves. Nintendo, meanwhile, is widely expected to leave its own pricing untouched.
Analysts had been expecting a PS3 price cut from Sony for several months in light of the company's struggles in competing with the Wii and Xbox 360. However, in an interview with Reuters last week, company president Ryoji Chubachi said there were no plans to lower prices.
The change takes effect immediately and means the 60GB PS3 will run $499 USD. The new 80GB model will be introduced at $599 USD and include the game MotorStorm, but would not be available in the North American market until August.
"As we move into the next phase of PS3, it's important that we continue to evaluate our product line, offering consumers the technology and features that meet their growing needs for new forms of media and the way in which it is delivered," said Jack Tretton, president and CEO of SCEA.
The company had already begun selling the 80GB model in South Korea as part of the launch of the console there. However, it had sought FCC approval for the device in the US, indicating an eventual launch here.
Even at its new price, the PS3 is still twice as expensive as the Wii, which is dramatically outselling it in every major market. It is also $20 more expensive than Microsoft's Xbox 360 Elite, which includes a 120GB hard drive as part of the package.
Sony says that about 120 new PS3 game titles will be released in this fiscal year, which ends next June. It expects the price drop to cause sales to "double at a minimum," although some analysts expect a more modest 50 percent increase.
JupiterResearch vice president Michael Gartenberg says the console industry is driven by games, an area the PS3 has had trouble with, which makes new titles equally as important as any price cut.
"PS3 has not garnered the same success as prior versions. Sony faces Microsoft who has made the most of a one year head start in launch, as well as un-expected consumer interest in demand for the Wii. At the same time, Blu-Ray has not become a major purchase driver while the inclusion of the technology in all PS3s has forced Sony to keep the purchase price relatively high," he said.
"While price is still the prime purchase driver for consumers, game consoles are still fundamentally about games first and foremost," Gartenberg added. "As each vendors lineup is revealed later this week, we will have a better chance to asses how well each player will do this fall."
http://www.bloomberg.com...Guoeuipo&refer=home
"Clearing up the trouble made PlayStation 3 profitableseveral months ago, giving the company room to cut prices,analyst Doherty said. Microsoft still loses money on each Xbox360 it sells, he said."
Oh dear Hollywood...is this actually possible?
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|Sorry Sony MS does not lose money on each console sold. They make a profit not much but a profit. There is no way that costs have dropped that much to make a PS3 produce a profit for Sony. I am sure that costs have dropped but not that much.
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|how do you figure?...the original xbox NEVER turned a profit on each console...they were in the red on every console sold....
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|"the original xbox" That has what to do with the 360???
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|it shows console trends...rarely do consoles make money this early in their life cycle...according to Sony the PS3 is....I'm not positive i believe him...but i highly doubt the 360 is...ESPECIALLY when you consider how much they have to eat on each defective console...
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|Lier Lier Pants on Fire.
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|£50/$100?
I reckon too little & too late.
Of course there will be a small spurt in sales as those waiting on this cut come to buy but my bet is it'll not be long until the sales numbers drop off of that very steep cliff again.
.....and this petty refusal to make this a global cut in one swoop (who doesn't imagine it won't happen everywhere eventually?) does nothing but pi*s off potential customers in other territories.
It's the worst of all worlds, another short rush then more poor sales and a return to higher losses on each unit.
Poor Sony, awwwwwwwww.
This trojan horse for their grossly anti-consumer BD system can't fall flat on it's face fast enough for me.
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|Oh great, no price drop for the UK (EU). Nice to know we're getting stung with the most expensive price (now by £150 odd), and the crap software emulated PS2 engine, and now even more so.
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|Don't worry Paul I believe they will be removing the ps2 emotion on all ps3 shortly, right now the new 80 gb will be just like the pal version
http://www.next-gen.biz/...mp;id=6302&Itemid=2
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|The EU price drop is annouced Thursday..
http://www.gamesindustry...tent_page.php?aid=26501
By the sounds of it, you don't own a PS3, as you would know how good the software emulation actually is. It's only marginally below hardware emulation. The less heat and power consumption by the EE-less consoles more than makes up for the 100 or so minor titles that don't run.
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|I thought heat wasn't a problem guess you were wrong since its a good thing. So much for Sony's 100% ability to play old games.
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|It's better 97% on hardware EE based systems, 92% on software based emulation systems.
Either way, better than the pisspoor 8% that the 360 maanged...
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|MS never stated full support for old games like Sony does so don't even go there. I should have figured you would chime in with your two cents.
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|Amazon is hardly a good source to get how sales have increased.
Because the Playstation 3 was hot at launch and look what happen after people figure out what the real deal was.
I know somebody who owns a Playstation 3, it doesn't get played, yet he owns a ton of Nintendo Wii games.
This is one person I understand, and were both in a our mid-20's so its not like we enjoy the Disney Movie games.
I think time will tell if Playstation 3 is doing well is you can go into a store and NOT pick one up. If that happens then Playstation 3 is going to do well, but lets face it Gamecube did well and everyone makes fun of that system.
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|From what I have seen sales for the PS3 have gone through the roof, here is a bit of the info. FYI
For those of you who have been thinking about picking up a Sony PS3 but were a little sticky on the price tag, Sony has just dropped the $599 60GB version by $100. That puts the PS3 at $499. You can read more at CNN and Video Business. Some in the industry expect that Microsoft may drop the price of their Xbox 360 in response. Not surprisingly, sales at Amazon of the PS3 are up 2800% today (according to Amazon's Movers and Shakers list).
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|Too soon to tell really. The initial surge is from all the people that have been sitting there waiting on the price drop.
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|I am really surprised with the deal you get motostorm and 5 blo-ray movies for 499.99. Granted the movies are recieved in the mail. I would like to see MS follow suite to keep the pressure on. At this point even with the red ring issue I think the 360 is a better product. So far the exclusives announced for the PS3 are not very exciting. I'm sure that I'll get flamed because I favor the competition.
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|I can tell you exactly why I favor the 360.
1. Controller
2. Live Service
3. Abundance of good FPS
Everything else is mute. This is a "game" console after all. I already have a media center PC thank you.
But that dual shock controller severely irks me. I didn't like it on the PS, PS2 and now I don't like it on the PS3.
Also the PS3 is more of a RPG oriented console which I am not really in to.
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|You might think this is stupid but I also enjoy the achivements. Granted I am not all that good in most games but it's fun getting a couple more points. I'll buy a game on the 360 before the PS3 for this reason alone. I love FPS on the PC but have a hard time with a controler aiming. I wish MS would support a mouse. I agree about live and the controller.
I am looking into why both my 360 and Denon reciever failed at the same time. I think I am having some sort of a power issue. I refuse to buy anything from Monster so their stuff is out as far as a power conditioners goes.
I agree these are made for games, Sony should have stuck with that concept instead of forcing blu-ray on people. To me it's kind of like the UMD idea.
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|yeah, i agree, too early to tell. And is this really a price cut? As someone else said, wasn't the 20 gig model $499? So really alls they did was up the disk space on the entry level model.
But, only time will tell. It will be very interesting to see if the 360 also drops and how that plays into the picture.
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|I don't know if this is true but have heard that the emotion engine is going to go the way of the dodo in all PS3 versions. That will really be good for the consumer. I believe that Sony had stated you can play all your ps2 games on the PS3 but that will no longer be the case. Consoles should not cost this much period. Consoles are for playing games not all the other crap.
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|Nah I agree with you. The achievements kind of give you a goal instead of just playing to be playing.
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|I wonder how long it will take Sony to copy that since so many people like it. Then again most of the Sony folks say they never copy anything, like Stardust isn't copying geometry wars.
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|At the end of the day, this price drop still won't give Sony the stellar sales they're having wet dreams about. The PS3 is a dud and everybody knows it. Ray and Ben can give themselves hernias from bashing Microsoft, it still won't change the above facts. Once a console starts out a dud, it stays a dud. Dropping prices, making empty promises of better games to come, or the president of Sony coming to your house and performing fellatio on you won't change that fact. Sony's goose is cooked. Get over it.
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|by far the best use of a POS 3 i've seen
http://youtube.com/watch?v=4CTy7Nx0oPI
enjoy
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|So you mean to tell me you're stupid enough to spend $599 on the PS3 to smash it and no only that but to show the whole world how much of an idiot you are? hahaha, I mean, I'm not saying that's you on the video (or maybe you are) but it sure sounds like your brain don't function that well ;).
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|nope i wouldn't waste my money like that, but if he can afford to do it, that's his perogative, doesn't affect my wallet
and cmon, if that doesn't give at least a little bit of a chuckle, then it sounds like your brain don't function that well ;)
and his outfit was prolly the strangest thing i've seen to be considered clothing
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|They did this with the Wii, the 360, the PS3, the iPod, and they are probably going to do it with more things.
The guy didn't pay for it, all of these things were fully supported by donations.
The whole thing is supposed to get people to lighten up, but these have gotten even more people pissed off about these videos, which is why they have "flamer" sections on each of the smashmy________.com websites.
And I like how the website that's biased towards MS says that they don't expect the PS3 do get any more than 50% higher sales and nowhere near twice as many sales.
But you look what happened when the PSP dropped $30 dollars, which is less of a percent than the PS3's price was dropped, and those sales doubled when there is low consumer faith in the product, and when Nintendo is the undisputed leader in handheld gaming.
And here's Sony, the leader for the past two generations, each with well over 100 million sold, dropping the price by $100.
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|Well...see; I do have to agree with you there. My brain is not consider at all that well because it is not normal for me to see things taken for granted and laugh at it. There could have been a million ways to to benefit from my wealth, If I don't like Sony then I stay away from it, but I could have also given that PS3 to some kid who could be anxiously wanting one and wishing he had the money for it.
I'm sorry I just see things in a different perspective. And yeah, he's suit sure is ridiculous like his personality.
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|The difference is the ps3 at this time does not have any games that scream wow yet, so dropping the price is a good first step but they still need the games.
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|Now these games would probably make me say Wow:
Battle Arena Toshinden
Soud Calibur
Destruction Derby
Road Rash
Twisted Metal
=)
maybe someday we can see the all these classic with improved graphics and all the Jazz PS3 can PLAY!!
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|Really? I saw another one but that was on a PSP. Anyway, I don't even see how that could lighten up people.
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|yes, most of those titles would make me happy in the pants.
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|taken for granted? wasting time arguing endlessly over which console or hd format is better is taking life for granted.... just because he smashes a piece of his property that he bought with money specifically for that means he is taking it for granted? there are better things in life than fancy electronics. play some baseball or something, or hell if you care about kids so much teach a bunch of little kids how to play sports, the automatic answer isnt, "give him the ps3" he will just sit on his a** playing games then. and if he doesnt have a ps3 now, its because of a monetary issue, not a supply issue, so if he gets one, he will just have to buy games, accessories and his parents will have to pay more electricity costs, so obviously a free ps3 wont fix the monetary issue, and may even make it worse, ie the parents are obligated to buy games/movies for it cause they have a system and johnny wants some games.
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|Meh...Nothing ground breaking there. Good games...not great.
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|"just because he smashes a piece of his property that he bought with money specifically for that means he is taking it for granted? there are better things in life than fancy electronics"
THAT!!! is part of my point, if you have $599 in your pocket, you know you can do a lot more benefit from it like giving it to your mom or heck give it to charity!!! but damn, spending that money just to smash a piece of electronic device? lol, that is crazy. In case you didn't give some thinking to my point is that he's taking his situation for granted, an object is an object, it comes and it goes...but if you're in a situation where you can do A LOT MORE IN LIFE!! with your money, I consider that taking it for granted. Giving a child a game console is not for the sole purpose of "here, sit on your a** and play all day long boy!", its about making him happy, it doesn't mean he will have his life spoiled by that. Yes...I agree with you, $599 could be a nice investment into sports equipment, if I had $599 and don't see the need for it?...If I don't see the need for for a PS3?, I'll buy a soccer ball, a uniform, and some gear for that boy and get him enrolled into what could possibly be his other interest,because most certainly I don't think video games is the only interest in a child, or was it for you?
:)
P.S. As a parent you're entitled to NOT spoil your children with EVERYTHING they want...so, no little Johnny, you can't have that, sorry!!!
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|As soon as Sony said they were not dropping the price that pretty much sealed it that they would. Everything they say is a lie.
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|True, but Sony doesn't drop prices. Kind of a paradox.
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|See you later all, I have to pack up my sh!t and get out of Dodge. I'm gone until the 19th so someone has to hassle the loser while I'm gone.
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|Well Hollywood, i'm a new poster to this forum but have taken no sides. You can read my comment below. I just posted what I believe and I'm waiting for the dust to settle a little more before I make a decision to purchase a system. The price issues have been what's holding me back as well as a better selection of games.
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|There's not enough fanboyism going around.
...
The PS3 aborts babies and sleeps with your mom.
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|what a bas****!
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|I love the fact that some people can't be bothered with Photoshop but they have the time to create 20 or so different user accounts on Betanews and pretend to be different people, respond to themselves, get caught red handed, then deny it.
Then, still try to pull of this ridiculous plot day after day when pretty much everyone here knows it and calls them the joke of BetaNews.
Someone is pissed because they got away with it for so long until someone else put the pieces together and figured it out.
We love it, please don't ever stop posting in here. The entetainment value is priceless...... um who ever you are.
This forum would be completely boring if it wasn't dominated by posts from me driving you crazy. We can plainly see that you and all of your imaginary freinds are on the brink of a depression induced nervous breakdown.
My jagoff cousin is just like you, I take pride in making him look stupid as I do with you.
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|Time for the paranoia tablets. Nurse Ratched.
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|Ever hear of Schizophrenia?
People diagnosed with schizophrenia usually experience a combination of positive (i.e. hallucinations, delusions, racing thoughts), negative (i.e. apathy, lack of emotion, poor or nonexistant social functioning), and cognitive (disorganized thoughts, difficulty concentrating and/or following instructions, difficulty completing tasks, memory problems).
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|Two minutes apart.
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|So this also means you and Skaggs are the same person, as those posts are also 2 minutes apart.
You sir, are a total idiot.
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|total? not just partial? wow you really got a bug where it doesnt belong...
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|ROFL...Your a total idiot if you can't see that he is toying with you. FFS he even said it himself!!!
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|Way to go Microsoft! 12 million consoles.
http://img372.imageshack...193/36012millionzy0.png
WTF? It looks like the PS3 has actually lost some sales since I last checked.
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|OK, so I could be bothered.. Your right the 360 numbers are increasing very quickly...
http://img236.imageshack...6/9108/vgachartzkz2.jpg
Way to go Microsoft, we didn't think you could make a bigger turd than the original Xbox, but it looks like you managed it with ease...
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|Looks like the XBox is hurting big....
http://img463.imageshack.../36012millionzy0ng8.png
try harder next time fanboi, anyone can make up numbers. Look at some real numbers here: http://www.vgchartz.com/
How long has the XBox 360 been for sale in Japan? LOL
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|13 minutes apart
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|Ever hear of Schizophrenia?
People diagnosed with schizophrenia usually experience a combination of positive (i.e. hallucinations, delusions, racing thoughts), negative (i.e. apathy, lack of emotion, poor or nonexistant social functioning), and cognitive (disorganized thoughts, difficulty concentrating and/or following instructions, difficulty completing tasks, memory problems).
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|why would you double post the same thing? that makes you an idiot.
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|Both of those images are junk. And the vgcharts is just an example. It could easily be more than that shows. That's probably likely minimum numbers. Its states they get the info from retailers - I doubt they talk to every single one.
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|For all of you who dont know the facts, Sony is now losing $450 per console and had dropped it's warranty to 90 days.
That's roughly 12 times shorter than the 360's warranty.
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|again you are full of sh*t.
current policy: http://www.us.playstatio.../Support/PS3/Warranties
SYSTEM:1 year PERIPHERALS: 90 Days SOFTWARE: 90
find something that details the exact amount they stand to lose per console, or just keep pulling numbers out of your ass.
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|It's OK, the PS3 is over 30 times more reliable..
I would photoshop the image like you have done, but I really can't be bothered.
As othered have already linked to:
"Sony Computer Entertainment America ("SCEA") warrants to the original purchaser that the PS3TM hardware shall be free from material defects in material and workmanship for a period of one (1) year from the original date of purchase (the "Warranty Period")."
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|Look at at that, another "new" memeber who is a Sony fanboy posting for the first time today. All of these "people" seem to post within minutes of each other.
90 days, sad.
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|hope your not refering to me... lol
been here for quite some time now
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|No, not you skags.
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|i might consider buying one if they were too lower the price to 399... but they would have to have some good games before i consider buying it...
its just not worth the investment.
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|skags442,
That's probably the most intelligent post here today. I bought one at launch with high expectations and it turned out to be a bust.
Both systems are overpriced in my opinion (360 and PS3). Most people cant spend 500-600 on a gaming console.
Even people here with multiple personalities who respond to themselves by thier own admission don't even own one.
I am spouting absolute nonsense just to see him go crazy for my own entertainment.
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|"I am spouting absolute nonsense just to see him go crazy for my own entertainment."
LOL! Now they are getting a taste of how we feel EVERY time they post!
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|ANNNNNDDDDD.....Hollywood looks like a fool...AGAIN....
good move by Sony...Hollywood already told us in a different discussion that the PS3 has $1000 worth of hardware in it and now the consumer is getting a $500 price break on that hardware!
Sony did not try to dupe the consumer...they wanted to make this announcement at E3...but unfortunately the story blew a few days early...
oh well...Hollywood has spent the last day crying in his bed....
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|I think the biggest issue is most people don't care about the $1000 blu-ray they want a GAME system. I guess I need to keep saying this. Some say it's the best blu player out there but if the general public could care less there is a problem for Sony.
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|Is it just me or is the same guy using at least six different names in here?
For anyone who is new, we have a resident PS3/Sony freak who posts under different names and even responds to his own posts.
Also, for anyone who deosn't know, Sony's warranty on the PS3 is only 90 days.
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|It's just you, You make this claim all the time. I suspect your shrink has a name for this condition, as usual however based on your recent "gems" of wisdom, you always end up looking like a total prat..
According to you, Sony are about to give up on the PS3, and HD DVD looks and sounds better than Blu-Ray!!!
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|While I do have the most comments, I assure you I have no dupes :D
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|you sure about that?
http://www.us.playstatio.../Support/PS3/Warranties
Sony Computer Entertainment America ("SCEA") warrants to the original purchaser that the PS3TM hardware shall be free from material defects in material and workmanship for a period of one (1) year from the original date of purchase (the "Warranty Period").
sounds like you're full of s***
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|Besides, we all know only Slashdot has dupes. :p
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|"HD DVD looks and sounds better than Blu-Ray!!!"
Ummm, but it does.
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|If you're smart, you can get a PS3 for less than a 360 anyway...
http://www.sonystyle.com...151&ddkey=ClickInfo
Get a SonyStyle card, buy a game from amazon, then buy a PS3, and get $100 refund on it.. Pay balance, cancel card...
Trailertrash with 360 and bad credit history need not apply..
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|I think you mean "If you're smart". The word "your" denotes possession, as in "your dog" or "your house", etc. If you're going to go around insulting people, at least make sure you have a fair understanding of the English language.
Anyway, let's just wait a couple of months. I'm willing to bet the Wii will still outsell the PS3 at least 5 to 1, even after this price cut.
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|You always seem to resort to insulting people, real nice.
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|If only the PS3 had a game worth buying. This would almost make it a deal breaker!
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|Just last week they announced they had no intentions of dropping the price of the PS3 in the near future. Typical Sony, always misleading their consumers and the media. Most of us are rather use to Sony covering up and flat out lying about anything negative relating to their company and products, but now they're lying about the positive too? And people wonder why Sony is so hated.
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|Sony did what all companies do. If they say, "hey we are going to cut the price by $100 in two weeks", no one in their right mind would buy one until then.
You can bash Sony for many things, but i really do not see how you can for this.
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|Every company under the sun does this, it's common practice to NOT mention a price drop, until the eve of it happening, as sales will vanish overnight...
Still nice try...
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|Yes, companies stay quiet about price cuts. They avoid making public statements. Not every company's president goes ON RECORD a week before the price drop, telling everyone the OPPOSITE. That's only Sony. Do you think Bill Gates would announce to the world there would be no Xbox 360 price cuts and then cut prices the next week? I think not. There is a world of difference between keeping your mouth shut about a price cut and flat out LYING to everyone about it, just to mislead your consumers and your competition.
Nice try though Benjamin. Why don't you go set your PS3 controller on vibrate and put it down your pants, since you love Sony so much? Wait, did mommy and daddy even buy you a PS3 yet?
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|They didn't go on record as such, they were pushed into a corner by the media as a result of the CircuitCity and Target flyers, to make a statement.
Let's also not forget this story blew up on a weekend, and the official party line, before it blew up, was "no price drop", with the official intention to announce it at E3. The fact this official was sticking to the party line, was unfortunate, as the evidence to show otherwise was irrefutable, but by Monday morning the pressure was too great, to not announce it before E3.
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|"At present we have no plans" Chubachi said in an interview.
read the actual article reuters did which this site quoted. that was the actual quote which if the word firm was in there would it be all that much better? no, but more acceptable to you. One the day of the interview the price remained the same, on today's date the price has been cut, get over it. and i don't think any individual, fan of sonys or not was hurt by this statement.
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|Because they're worthless liars.
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|Need some cheese with your whine?
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|I've made some edits your riduculous Sony hate campaign...
"Even at its new price, the PS3 is still twice as expensive as the low tech Wii, which is naturally outselling it in every major market. It is also $20 more expensive than Microsoft's Xbox 360 Elite, which does not include Blu-Ray, Wifi, Play and Charge kit as part of the package, and also has serious reliability issues"
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|And now I will edit your first sentence...
"I've made some edits your riduculous Sony hate campaign..."
It's spelled RIDICULOUS, Firefox has a spell-checker for a reason. Here's a better version of your statement.
"I've made some edits to your ridiculous Sony-Hate campaign...Mii so horny, Wii love you long time!"
Oh, right we were talking about consoles here...You were right, just thought I'd make your rant "perfect".
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|Quote: ModderXManiacThis whole event was rediculous, alot of good channels wasted money airing this sh1t, the streaming record doesn't even matter here, look at what it stands for.
Looks like he's not the only one who cannot consistently spell redi...ride...that, uh...word.
You posted that at 11:52 this morning, according to BN. :p
BAM!
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|Hey, global warming buddy, c'mon :D
Strange word, the way everyone pronounces it, it should have an E, and I will dig Webster out of his grave to prove it.
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|Suuuuure.
You give poor old p1ague201 the verbal beat-down, but when it's *your* mistake, well...it's just a strange word. :-p
That's it. Your Grammar/Spelling Nazi Card is hereby revoked. Please return all materials to your nearest library.
Good day, Sir.
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|Hi Davey! :-D
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|Sorry Sony but 499.95 is STILL too much money for your system. Especially with the news that you are coming out with the 80 gig model for the original retail price...
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|how is that? its 20$ more expensive than the 360 elite and worth about $400 more.
fan boy
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|People say the same about the 360, but consider this; can you build a gaming pc for $400 that is nearly as capable as either 360 or PS3?
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|And the 360 elite is too expensive. The Wii costs $250.
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|I hate to say this, IDIOT!!!
Wii is for a different market, buying a 360 is paying for a major difference in system horsepower, not to mention it isn't limited in storage by NAND flash and kiddy games.
I like the Wii, but you're drop-dead stupid for saying that.
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|yea so its not a sony issue its a price tag issue. and sony dropping the price point a 6th isn't a bad thing, its now only twice as expensive as the wii, with no rumble and no games ;)
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|kiddie games? Tiger Woods Golf, Madden, Resident Evil, Godfather, Mortal Kombat, Medal of Honor, etc...
What exactly would you say is _not_ a kiddie game?
Anyhow, if having the most horsepower is your thing, you would have a PS3 and not a XBox 360.
Shouldn't you be in school?
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|I never said anything about having the MOST horsepower, I said you would be paying for a massive difference getting the 360, which you would.
And for the matter, Wii is too expensive:Nintendo can make them for less than $180. :D
Kiddie games (hehe, I knew I'd upset you)
You know the Wii has more than anything else, and there are no heavily-violent EXCLUSIVES for Nintendo consoles anymore, but I just said that to piss you off.
Let's not bring your tiny Wii into this. Don't get me wrong, I still like the console,(I spent years following it's prerelease) but you have no solid points of argument, you are straying so far off subject to this PS3 report it's laughable.
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|I think you misunderstand...I am quite entertained by all the ranting on here and all the nonsense people spew, such as yourself.
I think the total domination by the Wii indicates the pricing is perfect. Micro$oft and Sony can only dream of selling like Nintendo.
360 = crappy engineering + WAY over priced
PS3 = too much engineering + WAY over priced
Wii = awesome engineering + perfect price
As evidence of the Wii perfection, simply look at the sales numbers. Right product at the right price. The article is about price, right?
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|Well duh, Nintendo are pioneers, of course Sony and Microsoft can't come anywhere close.
I just thought it was cute -the little diagram you made, but comparing the PS3's "too much engineering" is a bit unfair since Nintendo was trying to be innovative in a different manner, Sony brought the world the first mainstream supercomputer, but you do make good marketing points.
I completely agree that the 360 has thus far been crappily made, and M$ hasn't spoken any word confirming the improved 65nm units anytime soon, but c'mon, you know you dig Master Chief. You knooooow you wanna play Halo 3, especially with a WiiMote.
:D
See? I didn't aim to disprove any claim you made this time,also, If you've read through I seem to change positions, I'm not a biased fanboy, I'm very open; argument over.
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|Indeed, the PS3 is at the top end, with the high power, high def gaming, the Wii is at the bottom end, the affordable fun, but not exactly graphically challenging gaming.
The Xbox 360, is the ugly sister in the middle, who keeps going into hospital all the time..
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|i laughed alot at this.
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|Almost...
360 = crappy engineering, underspec + WAY over priced
PS3 = Awesome engineering + nice price
Wii = reengineered gamecube + nice price
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|I'll say this again HD and graphics do not make a game good, just look nice. I would rather have a system with good games and fair graphics to one with crap games that look pretty. About the best thing on PS3 is Fall of man. Hum funny how people rip the Wii as an emulator can anyone say emulator?
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|"Wii = reengineered gamecube + nice price"
LOL
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|You have obviously never owned a PS3, or if you do, it's never been on PSN.
Super Stardust HD Review
http://uk.ps3.ign.com/articles/800/800566p1.html
all for $8... Whilst the uninformed or those sucked in by Microsoft FUD may think the PS3 has no content, PS3 owners themselves would generally disagree..
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|That game is pretty good kind of stolen from a game on Live but still good none the less.
I have had a PS3 from launch how many times do I have to tell you that? The PSN network still sucks when compared to live. Don't give me the crap of it being over priced or any of that nonsense. I'm shocked you even mention that game since it's not on your beloved blo-ray disk. So a high tech system with a small download kind of negates the need for the massive storage of blu-ray.
I am amazed at how you claim that blu-ray is needed for games yet rave about a downloaded game. This proves that the storage of blu is not needed for a fun game.
I will agree that the game is fun but a rip off of what is on live. If you can't beat them join them I guess.
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|Whoa, aren't you exaggerating a little much? $400 is not enough for a 'gaming' PC.
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|Let me correct this.
360 = crappy engineering, priced accordingly
PS3 = Redundant engineering + cost 2 times what its worth
Wii = give that engineer a raise + nice price
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|Some games suit download, small amounts of sprites, textures, level data etc, These are games Like SuperStardust HD, Then there are other games, Ninja Gaiden Sigma demo is over a GB alone (1/8th of a DVD). There is no way the full game will fit on a DVD.
GTA5 and MGS4 are both too big to fit on single layer Blu-Ray, and need the fullly leaded 50GB disks...
You original comment implied that all PS3 games are big inaccessible games, and there are no "pickup and play" Wii style games, which is clearly wrong, the PS3 does these kinda games too.
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|"Indeed, the PS3 is at the top end, with the high power, high def gaming"
Yep...Nothing runs Quebert in HD quite like the POS3. ROFL!
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|That is not what I mean some people have claimed that blu-ray is required for a quality game and that is not true. Large amounts of data is used by video not game data. Funny how a game like Oblivion fits just fine on a DVD and looks great. FMV does not make a game. If I recall the reviews say Ninja Gaiden was out on the original XBOX too with some added stuff but still the same game for the PS3.
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|There is a comparison between the Ninja Gaiden on the 360 and the PS3, and they are worlds apart, I think it's on IGN. Similar gameplay, that's about it. The PS3 version spanks it (but to be fair the 360 version is now quite old).
If anyone thinks the PS3 does not have that arcade walk up and play aspect, try SuperstardustHD in 1080p and prepare for jaw drop time. The best $8 I ever spent...
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|uh ninja gaiden isn't on 360 it was on xbox, please try to keep up.
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|Lol...He was hoping nobody would notice. Typical Sony Cheerleader post.
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|6 minutes apart
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|Jaw drop time, I played it, it's not that impressive but it is fun. On the 360 I think you have been spanking something to much and I won't say what.
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|Ever hear of Schizophrenia?
People diagnosed with schizophrenia usually experience a combination of positive (i.e. hallucinations, delusions, racing thoughts), negative (i.e. apathy, lack of emotion, poor or nonexistant social functioning), and cognitive (disorganized thoughts, difficulty concentrating and/or following instructions, difficulty completing tasks, memory problems).
!!!!!PWNED!!!!!!
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|Sorry, but he's got a point its a little weird that all of a sudden a bunch of new people showed up saying the exact same things that davebg, ben and ray have been saying ever since the ps3 came out.
If they aren't clones then they know each other in some way. The reason being if you look at all the new names and look at the style of each post by the newbies, they do tend to be remarkably similar as well as using the exact same obscure links that someone would have to dig for quite some time to find.
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|could it just be that several people have common thoughts and are enjoying making the XBox fanboi belly-ache?
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|i guess a ps3 isnt a reengineered ps2, and a xbox 360 isnt a reengineered xbox eh?
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|yeah, especially since it uses parts from the ps2.
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|Well, I sincerely hoped for us consumer's sake that Sony would do this soon. More competition means better prices for everyone, and the PS3 just couldn't compete with Microsoft at such a high price point IMO. I doubt this'll make the sony ps3 sales floodgates open wide, but it's certainly a start.
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|I have read the comments listed on this site for some time now and find the debates quite entertaining. I love gaming myself but don't consider myself a fan of any system at the moment. In the past I could look forward to a system to launch at $300 and could expect that it would drop to approximately $200 dollars. I can afford more if I want to but I'm not a gadget boy that has blow my money on the best that life has to offer. Many people feel this way. I'm not bashing Sony. I love the PS3 and the XBOX 360, Frankly, I want both. I love the power both provide and the games that are geared to more mature players. Nintendo falls in the price range that I'm willing to buy but the games are mostly geared towards a younger crowd. That probably pushes some buttons with the Nintendo fans because they'll argue that they have games for older players as well, but the majority are for a younger crowd. At this point in time I have not bought a single console for this generation of consoles, which is a first for me. The ones I want are beyond what I'm willing to pay, although the XBOX 360 is close, and the one that has a price range I like does not interest me. Nintendo had the right idea and just made a good quality game console and nothing more. It kept the cost down which is important, regardless of what anyone says. Sure the PS3 has blue ray, I don't care about that. I want the PS3 for the games, I'll buy the equipment I want for my movies. If the PS3's hardware fails, I may want to turn to some movies while I wait for the PS3 to be repaired. Nintendo followed a "keep it simple stupid" rule and won because of it. Cost and games drive the sales no matter how you look at it and no matter how you twist the facts. My money will go to either Microsoft or Sony, whichever wakes up faster and lowers the cost of their products. My guess is that Microsoft will win between the two, but that is just my opinion. Again, the only reason Nintendo does not win with me is I do not enjoy the majority of the games they offer. It's just a personal preference.
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|Ah hell, I'm sick of arguing, you're exactly right, cheapest console will prosper this time. While it didn't apply to the gamecube in the past, Wii has alot to offer.
I want both 360 and PS3 as well, but it really comes down to money. But everyone knows deep down that the PS3 is a superior piece of hardware even for the price, that's most of what I was arguing.
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|Well said. I agree with everything you've said in this post, which is exactly why I haven't bought any console from this gen. either. I really want to play Halo 3 however, and for that reason I'm just a little favoring to the 360 I suppose.
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|I'd expect a $299 360 pretty soon...
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|Will it ruin discs and heat homes too?
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|It's another example of why you can't trust what these guys say.
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|Well, who can you trust with enough money to buy a car? :D
CEO's change their minds very quickly when it comes to potentially losing the gold plated rims on their Jap-Cadillac's.
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|Alright SONY!!, I'm not being sarcastic, I really am happy to hear this!! a little more off by Christmas and maybe sales will boost up a bit, then I will make fun of EVERYONE that said they wouldn't buy one..ya bas****z!
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|Those poor thugs and punks who waited in line to get this thing, and now they see the price dropping for all their efforts.
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|Don't you remember that some 80% of those liners bought them to sell on eBay? They made on average SIX to TEN THOUSAND DOLLARS.
Who's smart now?
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|LOL you're dreaming...withing a week of release the ebay prices dropped to almost retail prices...nobody was buying an overpriced console. Especially considering they didn't actually sell out in stores
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|I only remembered the very first one sold was 7k, then follow by a few 3k, and shortly it drop to retail price.
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|Well then, they still made $600, enough to get one now with 2 games! Ignorant fanboys always miss the point.
No, I'm not a Sony fanboy, PC all the way, I'm just here to set you people straight.
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|hard to find and people are still crazy for it i think it was a couple weeks ago that people in new york were still lining up by the mile at the Nintendo store just to get one. and it was really hard for me to find a copy of tiger woods golf and another nunchuck controller for the Wii
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|Eh, won't effect me much; I'm gonna wait a few years for more price drops and the redesigned console, it'll be under $400 by then and more games, but for people who can't wait, this is a great announcement.
I mean, hell, the $30 price drop on the PSP more than doubled it's sales rate to the point that it might catch up with the DS, not to mention the easy Lumines hack that boosted the game sales some 5000%, which boosts console sales alone.
Everyone knows that Microsoft builds better development kits, but God help if the developers grew some brains because they know the PS3 is considerably more capable not to mention at $600 was still a better value than the 360 considering what it packs, already blueray(hd discs in general)ready and packing wifi, you'd spend $700 getting that on a 20gig 360.
But yeah, thanks Sony for changing your minds in less than a week to drop prices.
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|i've seen the "high def marvel" in the gamestops i frequent, and i have yet to be wowed by a single demo that was running. maybe they should focus on their demo units so they make a better first impression. the wow factor isnt hitting me, and if MS has a 120 drive in their "elite" version, a meager 20 gig jump in file space to 80 still leaves them at 2/3rds the size of the hard drive. if image is that important, wouldnt matching the closest competitor be a primary goal? that's for the high end model.
call me crazy but what exactly are you going to store on your game console that requires 60,80, or even 120 gig of space? every one of those products could be considered the "high end" product. if sony was at all in touch with the casual gamer, they would make the difference between their "ultimate" machine and their "entry level" machine glaringly obvious. leave me with a 10 or 20 gig drive just for all my save files, a movie or two, a couple downloadable demos, and i'm set. thing's already got a bluray drive that holds something like 50 gigs. what's 20 gigs between models. its stupid. its definitely not warranting a 100 dollar bump in price, at least not in my mind.
their failure is in their management of the details. it's not in the software, its in their neglect to the consumer and their neglect to manage the things that really matter when presenting it.
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|"Everyone knows that Microsoft builds better development kits, but God help if the developers grew some brains because they know the PS3 is considerably more capable not to mention at $600 was still a better value than the 360 considering what it packs, already blueray(hd discs in general)ready and packing wifi, you'd spend $700 getting that on a 20gig 360."
Nobody say we want a Blu-Ray to be on the PS3. How about just take that sh1t out and let the customer decide to buy it as an add on or not?
You should like a computer salesman who want to sell a budget computer for $2,000 because it's bundle software are "worth" $4,000. He is actually "losing" money by selling the computer to you.
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|Microsoft released the 120 gig Elite so they'd be more prosperous in their Xbox Live Marketplace, one could fit much more of their DRM-infected High-Def proprietary videos with a 120g as opposed to a 20(cough, 13)gig one.
But yeah, you make a good point that forcing an extra $100 for only an extra 20 gigs and Motorstorm. We all know laptop drives are expensive, but this is just rediculous, it's making up for the losses they have per sold unit, and they aren't as confident as Microsoft who is definitely packing a good deal with the Elite compared to Premium.
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|"Nobody say we want a Blu-Ray to be on the PS3. How about just take that sh1t out and let the customer decide to buy it as an add on or not?"
Blue-Ray is one of the feats of the PS3 that will allow it do outdo the 360. As texture sizes increase and games get bigger and bigger, Microsoft will have to resort to using dual or maybe even triple discs to match the PS3 in graphics and sound quality(not to mention compression standards will have to jump on pc's bigtime), whereas the PS3 can have 50gigs of freedom for developers.
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|Oh gee, as if Sony is so innocent of anything DRM related. Yes, MS is (coughROOTKITcough) the only bad guy...
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|You missed the point, Blue-Ray isn't a Sony invention so neither is the DRM.
It's the matter of Microsoft trying to get more people hooked to Live, not to mention the transition of live to PC, which may kill free multiplayer in future games as we know it.
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|Sure...I guess the PS3's advantages will shine in 5 or 6 years then.
Oh wait...new consoles come out every 5 or so years don't they? Ah well.
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|"You missed the point, Blue-Ray isn't a Sony invention so neither is the DRM."
Actually...it is, partially sony's invention...
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|So why hasn't the Atari shined after 20?
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|...Damnit.
Congratulations, you conquered me on ONE point.
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|I guess you missed the part of "new consoles get released every 5 or 6 years".
It will be old news by then
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|Eh, I was trying to make a bad joke.
Yes, it's a rapidly transforming market, but what you're suggesting is that we shouldn't care about the present so much, which is somewhat true of critics, but we still gotta argue what we have now.
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|Maybe by the the time PS3 finally catch up with 360, MS will release a newer system. And nowaday, it's not the graphic matter most. I am sure there are a lot of game with kick a** graphic don't sell. It's the fun factor and the experience. For the fun factor, the WII owns it now. For the experience, MS is leading a big step. Of course, when I am reference to ONLINE.
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|"Oh wait...new consoles come out every 5 or so years don't they?"
Not if your Microsoft, they cancel their consoles after 18-24 months... 12more to go on the 360 methinks...
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|Size of disc's doesn't equal better graphics. It's more of the effect of how long the game is. The graphic chips on the PS3 and 360 are basically the same generation anyway. I don't see the graphics getting that much better than the 360.
Anyway MS could put games on multiple disc's if they need to. I still like the idea of making the drives optional like Microsoft did because I personally don't care about HD-DVD or Blu-Ray. I buy consoles for games.
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|And all the Wii owners and 360 owners yawn collectively.
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|Yeah, because they're all in their own little inferior world jacking off to Master Chief and polishing Link's sword.
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|Opposed to Sony fans just jacking off because they're lonely.
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|Hey, more erotic games are on Sony consoles. It just goes to show how desperate the latter are.
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|Hell I'll Let Cortana in my head anyday :P
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|It must have been opposite day at the Sony HQ when asked last week about the price drop. I can only imagine what the reporters will think when they walk in on pajama day. Sony is becoming such a joke.
Oh wait... "double at a minimum" it must be extreamly over estimate sales forcasts day...oh nevermind thats every day at Sony.
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|I wonder if this could cause the other system makers to lower their prices too. If both versions of the 360 dropped $100 the lower end system would be getting close to the Wii price point. It would be interesting to see sales if Nintendo respoded with a $50 price cut. I don't think they would since sytems to date are very hard to find. Once in a while I see one at BB and CC. Time will tell. Competition is such a good thing for the consumer.
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|I could see the 360 price being dropped, but I don't see the Wii price coming down. At least not while its still so hard to find.
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|It looks to be a strong possibility of a 360 price drop in response. http://www.next-gen.biz/...mp;id=6299&Itemid=2
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|I think Nintendo is intentionally holding back on units released so that they can filter consoles in to coincide with big name releases.
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|retail stores get a shipment with the release of their main games. The Nintendo stores directly Get a steady supply each week of system. Last Shipment at the islandia store by me we recieved 3 consoles for the month. the commack store recieved 26 and riverhead recieved 26, the rest didnt recieve any. Wal-Mart wound of Xfering around system to make sure each walmart had an even supply so most walmarts had 6 if they were lucky for their Tab. The Associates Direct them to the Manhatten Nintendo store when the units are sold out
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|yeah, i don't see how they have any alternative.
Who in their right mind would buy a 360 Elite when you could get the PS3 (which includes a Blu-Ray player) for $20 more?
But personally, I would not buy either. I am happy with my Wii and i mostly play PC Games.
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|Like I mentioned that is great news for the consumer since anyone sitting on the fence about 50 or 100 is going to be getting a new system. So all those MS haters can thank the competition for the need for price cuts. I am sure that someone will reply with MS rants and desperation on MS's part and the like for the price cut. It is simply called competition and its a great thing. I too would be surprised to see Nintendo do anything since they are in the drivers seat this time around in the console war. Oh I almost forgot the Wii doesn't count as competition since its not HD.
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|Who in their right mind would buy a game console that doesn't have any good games, when you can get one with better games, online service, and controller for $20 cheaper...
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|Another interesting thing to note, the 80 gb will be getting rid of the ps2 emotion chip and focusing on software emulation like the ps3 pal version.
http://www.next-gen.biz/...mp;id=6302&Itemid=2
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|and over 30% turn into bricks. Who wouldn't want that?
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|No problem. Just call up MS they will send you a box no questioned asked and no cost to you. Problem solved.
Unlike Sony where you will likely spend $50+ to ship it back to them.
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|Sony is not producing 30%+ bricks either so your point is moot.
Anyhow, i am building a new house so i need bricks.
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|Sony is not offering a 3 year warranty, so your point is moot. The fact of the matter is there may be a problem, but MS is fixing the problem in a very easy and hassle free fashion. Unlike if you have a problem with Sony where you will get to pay large shipping prices to ship it back. It is also very early in the game. The POS3 could still have problems.
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|Again, there is no proof it is 30% - 2 game stores do not equal a general consensus.
Also to note the 65 nm should be shipping by fall which should eliminate most of the problems.
Reason it hasn't been released yet is its still in testing and with this coming up I am sure they want to make sure this doesn't happen again.
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|Maybe the motherboard battery will explode.
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|yep, Micro$oft is spending over a billion dollars, that is with a 'b', on nothing...just a couple of rare bricking consoles. LOL.
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|LOL. Could have....might have....maybe will have.... LMAO!!!! Where do you come up with this stuff? This is great!
The simple facts are the 360 is horribly engineered. Yet another lame attempt by Micro$oft to compete. They failed the first attempt with the XBox, and they are failing again. Witness the Wii.
The Wii is _DOMINATING_ your XBox 360. In the next month or so, the Wii will have the largest user base. Enjoy your ports of Wii games.
Maybe the XBox 720 will fare better. Should not be long until they give up yet again. LMAO!!!!!!
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|The simple fact is MS is doing a great job dealing with the problem and it is quite easy to get your 360 repaired. Who knows if the POS3 is going to have problems or not. Right now they spend most of their time collecting dust because there aren't any good games to play on it.
Also news flash to you, but the Wii is dominating the POS3 2x as bad as it is dominating the 360. Also as I have said earlier I like the Wii as well.
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|You really should learn to read the whole thing rather then jumping on anything that says Microsoft.
Yes they are spending a billion dollars, things you are forgetting though, MS is paying shipping both ways plus repairs. Also to note they will reimburse those who had to pay for repairs. Its covered over a 3 year period.
Your posts tend to show your maturity especially with the $ in the S for Microsoft. God Forbid they make money! If it wasn't Microsoft it would have been Apple in their position and look at them they are sucking every dollar out of their customers as well.
Same thing with Linux, if they ever had the chance to get the kind of market MS had, how much longer you think they would continue to give software for free?
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|why do you keep going back to the ps3? who cares about the ps3. The Wii pwns your XBox 360. Deal with it.
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|The point is that most of us don't care that the Wii is winning it's a good system. You need to grow up a little with some of your comments. MS is going a great job with correcting the problems, in fact more than any other company. Nintendo also had issues in the past no one is perfect. I'm glad to hear that you are an engineer and know every system and its build quality.
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|so your point makes zero sense. It does not cost over a billion dollars to repair and mail a few XBox 360's. A Billion dollars means there are whole ton of them to fix, unless it costs like a few million to ship and repair each XBox 360 brick.
quote......
"Same thing with Linux, if they ever had the chance to get the kind of market MS had, how much longer you think they would continue to give software for free?"
Huh? You are already commenting on things you don't understand, please don't talk about more things you clearly do not understand. Linux is not a company. Linux is not one person.
Take a look at one item for example....Apache Web Server. It is used on more web sites than any other web server, including Micro$oft IIS. That is still free.
Get back to what you do best...display your lack of self confidence by whining on forums about how your choice of the 360 is the best and all other consoles, PC's etc... are crap.
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|exactly my point. glad you can read. I am simply making the xbox fanboi's belly-ache up and down on these forums.
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|Good we are in agreement. I think most of the people here that you call fanboys are ok with the Wii winning. In fact I would not be surprised if the Wii surpasses the 360 in a couple of months. If you look closely it's mostly the PS3 people here that go as far as saying that the Wii is only in competition with PS2. They say that it doesn't count in this generations numbers.
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|Because I wasn't talking about the Wii now was I? Understandable that you would want to change the subject though when you are being proven wrong. Also like I have said probably over 10 times now I like the Wii. I don't care if it "pwns"(oh how mature) my 360.
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|they why do you care about the PS3 so much? Does it bother you that bad?
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|Sony's arrogance and its' cheerleaders do.
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|I don't agree with that at all. Please point me to specific postings of someone saying the PS3 roxers and the Wii suxors and Wii is no competition for PS3, because i would have ridiculed them too.
All i have been seeing is XBox fanboi's: talking about the PS3 (or POS3 as the 360 fanboi's say), having delusions about someone posting under multiple accounts, saying how the Wii is not in the same league as the 360, the Wii has kiddie games, the PS3 waranty is only 90 days when a simple search shows that to be false, not acknowledging the failure rate of the 360 is over 30% and saying it is only small percentage (eventhough it is costing M$ over a billion dollars for those few consoles), etc...
the list just goes on and on...
I find all of this quite humorous and i love getting them all pissy and in one case even making them stop posting all together.
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|ROFL. I have NEVER seen anyone but the PS3 fanboys bashing on the Wii.
"saying how the Wii is not in the same league as the 360"
Your delusional now. This is all the Sony Cheerleaders claiming it is not in the same league as their beloved PS3 with no games.
"the PS3 waranty is only 90 days when a simple search shows that to be false"
That was Hollywood just trying to get on the Sony Cheerleaders nerves.
"not acknowledging the failure rate of the 360 is over 30% and saying it is only small percentage"
You are again twisting the truth. All we have said is nobody but MS knows what the failure rate is. Nothing else.
"I find all of this quite humorous and i love getting them all pissy and in one case even making them stop posting all together."
I find your ignorant fact twisting post quite humorous as well lol.
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|I wish there was a way to look by person since I believe that Dave is the biggest one saying that the Wii does not count.
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|"I don't agree with that at all. Please point me to specific postings of someone saying the PS3 roxers and the Wii suxors and Wii is no competition for PS3, because i would have ridiculed them too."
By Steve Austin
Nobody will remember the WII in 2 years.. LOL..
http://www.betanews.com/...lide_Further/1179514935
By Ray Dorset
The Wii is the 1950's volkswagon Beetle, looks cool to own, but after all the hype is removed, it's very dated and ordinary..
Some people are so STOOPID...
Nintendo are limiting supplies of Wii on purpose, it creates a fake desirability and adds to the hype...
http://www.betanews.com/...lide_Further/1179514935
By Steve Austin
Pretty soon people will start falling off the hype train, and wonder what came over them, when the bought a rehashed Gamecube in a new box.
http://www.betanews.com/...ind_in_Japan/1181149142
By Benjamin Linus
And look how crap the Wii games are..
Kiddie games.. And rehashing the same old games for the Wiimote.
Hope you like chasing fluffy bunnies, and jumping through gold rings, as the Wii has another 2 years of that...
http://www.betanews.com/...ind_in_Japan/1181149142
By Steve Austin
I wonder how many 10c bubblegums they sell in Japan?
I bet they are REALLY selling well, outselling Nintendo Wii by 1000 times...
Are wii sales and PS3 sales related? Nope, Wii owners were unlikely to have been PS3 owners, not at least for several years..
A more truthful comparison would be PS3 and 360, and guess what, PS3 is selling better..
Guess what Steve...Not anymore
http://www.betanews.com/...nce_in_Japan/1170777934
By Joey Deacon
Lame attempt at PS3 bashing.
WII and PS3 are not even directly competing. I doubt anyone would even consider them to be in the same generation of gaming.
WII = GameCube + Novelty Controller + Some cheesy games.
http://www.betanews.com/...nce_in_Japan/1170777934
By Joey Deacon
Indeed, the battle here, is Xbox360 Vs PS3, WII is the under powered last generation wannabe outsider.
Not sure what relevance the WII sales on PS3 are, as nobody buying WII would have bought a PS3 anyway (as the WII is not a cheap substitute).
This is just the usual Betanews troll reporting from Ed and Scot. They may as well report than Fizzy Cola Bottles have outsold PS3 last month, it's just as relevant...
http://www.betanews.com/...ays_Nintendo/1179936569
By Benjamin Linus
20 million of them on ebay, as Wiitards take off them rose tinted glasses, and wonder why on earth they paid for a Gamecube again....
And with that note I rest my case!
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|Cool, thanks for finding that.
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|i dont look at other forums. i am looking at the discussion in this forum. I have only just begun to lurk here.
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|Now you are not making sense as this issue will cover a period of over 3 years. Which means any and existing Xbox360s for a period of 3 years.
The money is being set aside, who knows if they will actually spend that much money as they may not.
Oh, how wrong you are some Linux services they do charge for, my point was if Linux were to be the dominant force IE same position as MS they wouldn't be able to keep giving it away for free.
Did I ever say Linux was one person? I do recall "they" would be more then one person last time I checked.
Never did I ever say 360 is better then pc or anything else, I stated its better in terms of games as PS3 has little to nothing to offer.
Never did I comment on PC gaming whatsoever.
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|The proof is above I don't recall any xbox people slamming the Wii the way the PS3 crowd does. They get their panties all in a bunch when something is outselling their worshiping icon. The facts are facts. I have no problem with the Wii being in first place and the 360 in second.
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|as i could care less too. Like i mentioned before, i mostly play PC Games and only have a Wii so i can get my wife to play. Although, the Wii is enjoyable.
And, believe it or not, i just picked up a 360 to play RB6 with one of my old friends.
And...yes, i am trolling the forum
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|For one thing this thread is about the PS3 so why would it not come up in some way?
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|Cool you now own the two best systems out there. Tons of cool stuff for the 360 I hope you enjoy it as much as I do.
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