thts a SAD news lolz

im gonna Buy this PS3 next year when all the Bugs r Fixed lolz

hahahahehehehehe

hahahaha, like you could actually find one to buy before next year anyway.

Fighting on the internet is like running in the special olympics. Even if you win you are still f**king retarded.

i dont see how fighting on the internet is any different then fighting in person or on the phone. people always say that stupid phrase and it just makes them look dumb.

WOW here we go, to all of you who bashed Microsoft for rushing to production this is the first of what will be many major issues to come with Sony and the PS3.

Can't wait to see more spend your $600 suckers!

Actually, there's no guarantee that Sony's "update" will fix everything, let alone anything. I wouldn't be suprised if it causes
even more problems, but hey... The fact is:

Sony PROMISED it would be 100% backwards compatible from the get go and boasted that as a major selling point. MS never boasted such a claim. In fact, the Xbox 360 wasn't originally intended to go backwards compatible from the start (due to nVidia's shakey graphics card in the Xbox), but due to popular demand they made the effort to keep their customers happy.

Actually, I'll be bluntly honest. Before I discovered something about the Xbox's backwards compatibility I used to argue "WHO CARES" about backwards compatibility? You don't buy a brand new intel core 2 computer just to play old school games like TRIBES 2, and Sim City 2000 do you? So why would you pay hundreds of dollars for a top of the line system, only to complain that you want to play 2-8 year old games. If you want to play your old games, you keep your old gaming system, SIMPLE right? (PS2 owners, I do aknowledge the fact a lot of your PS2's have crapped out, but understand the point)

HOWEVER... When I discovered this, it changed everything for me:

I never expected any original Xbox games to be backwards compatible, but they, in my opinion are doing a better job than Sony is by showing initiative and improvements.

If this was already mentioned in a post already made I apologize, but I don't think anyone has pointed out that Sony's backwards compatible games only work on their native resolution and "As is."

Microsoft's backwards compatible strategy goes a step further. The original games that are backwards compatible are UPSCALED to high definition graphics, and yes I know from 1st hand experience it's a very noticable difference and improvement on the visuals.

ALSO, the games are updated and patched as well from their 1st and 3rd party developers. IE. The in-game content has been improved and updated. How many of you knew that?

I haven't had time to test all my original games, but I've played KoTOR 1 and 2 a lot to notice a few things myself. There were a couple glitches in the game I used to get stuck on - no longer, a couple side quests that used to unfold a big buggy, some of the boss scenes have been changed, and I'm not 100% on this but I think the character build structure has been updated. I wish I could give more detail but I haven't played these games on my original xbox in well over a good year and a half to remember more comparative points.

Has anyone else noticed any other improvements or updates of the in-game content from any other original games played on the 360 as well?

Just for the record, my first PlayStation took a crap after a year or two. DO you remember how you had to turn them on their side or upside down to get the disc to initialize? Then the replacement console did the same thing.

My PS2 died after two years as well, it was the original design, it just stopped responding to anything I put in. Now my "slim" PS2 is crapping out.

Great track record Sony, thumbs up to you!!!

I cant wait to see the complaints and bad press that will follow the US launch. It sounds like this thing is nowhere close to being ready.

SONY Soon......Only Not Yet

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I cant understand people like you!
What is the point of your existence?

IF YOU DONT LIKE IT JUST DONT USE IT!!!

To me PlayStation3 is the best and most advanced game console ever! I like it.

http://playb3yond.com/

To me PlayStation3 is the best and most advanced game console ever!
You've played one?

I was going to ask the same thing.

The Sony PlayStation 3 Dissected..

http://www.dailytech.com...x?newsid=4908&ref=y

http://www.kotaku.com/ga...hs-dark-side-214130.php

Sorry I know this isn't related but I could't stop laughing. Chinese lining up to buy PS3's in JAPAN!!

That was a good read. Glad I chose to skip on that mayhem. Hopefully the same thing doesn't happen (or worse) across the Pacific in the US this week.

cant you just download patches as they become available on the console to fix that though?

Not that big of a deal, I'm still dying to hear about over heating problems.

Sorry to disappoint you, initial reports are, that it's near silent in operation, and very modest heat generation, compared to a 360, which can heat a room..

Personally, I am looking forward to running alternative operating systems like Linux, and coding my own software..

http://www.playstation.c...openplatform/index.html

if that's posible i'm going to get one too

"compared to a 360, which can heat a room"

360 is far from that hot. We'll see how how the PS3 is when more people have it. I suspect it will have just as many heat issues as the 360 did, if not more.

Anything that can boot PowerPC can be booted on PS3, That mainly means Linux, but it does not rule out MacOS..

Sorry to dissapoint you, but a Xbox 360 does not heat up a room. I use mine all the time for hours on end with the room not getting hot at all. Now, when i use my computer, the room becomes hot in a matter of minutes.

"initial reports are, that it's near silent in operation, and very modest heat generation"

Those weren't the initial reports that I heard. In the Tokyo Press Show (or what ever it's called... I'm too lazy to look it up) the PS3 was already overheating in the Kiosk. Which actually if you think about it, the 360 never had that problem. So it would seem that the PS3 get's pretty hot too, maybe even hotter than the 360.

Sorry to disappoint you.

Whats the biased link for?

backword.... my shiney ass.... why play tomba ? why dont do as on psp .. make it playable on iso and make a emu

ok , and why people find it surprising? it is a fact that products go to production (and i'm not talking PS3 only here. its hardware AND software in general!) with KNOWN bugs just to stick to schedule.

May be wrong, but this sounds like Sony flaunted their backwards compatibility while the entire time knowing it would not be so. Now they made a "mistake" by not properly testing their console. I think they had the same idea as Microsoft the entire time to release patches to allow older games to be played.

I don't see anything wrong with that by the way.

This isn't much of a story... More than half of my xbox titles won't run on 360, and MS has no appearance to want to fix it. Sony has a leg up on this one...

The thing is the 360 was never marketed as being fully backwards compatible. It's like complaining that the Gamecube can't play N64 games. Sony on the other hand promised the PS3 would be fully backwards compatible and used this as a major selling point.

Alex, as much as I like my 360, I have to disagree. There was a distinct part of the marketing campaign that projected backwards compatibility. While for some, it might seem silly, I was hoping to only have one console in my living room. It turned out that they didn't even fix MVP Baseball 2005. They did do GTASA, and that looks pretty good.

http://features.teamxbox...x/1245/Xbox-360-FAQs/p4/

That looks like marketing to me...

Ok, you're right I should have said it was never marketed as being 100% backwards compatible. Scroll down, they list the titles that would work at launch and talked about the updates needed to add support for more titles. Sony just flat out said the PS3 would work with all previous titles. It wouldn't have been so bad if they hadn't trash talked about their competition not being able to make that claim.

The XBox360 WAS marketed as being backwards compatible. At one point even 100% backwards compatible...

Sony has always stated, as long as the game was originally developed using the official PS1 and PS2 Programming API, then it would work on the PS3. If the original game developers did hacks outside the defined API, then it's anyones guess what happens, including Sony's.

Personally 3% of games is pretty good, as many of these are different SLES versions of the same game. (only 72 game unique game titles according to same Japanese site).

Yes, the Xbox 360 will be backward compatible with the Xbox.

Ah, there's the 100% right there...wait, it doesn't say that

"At one point even 100% backwards compatible..."

BS, I challenge you to produce this claim.

http://arstechnica.com/n...post/20051112-5558.html

"Holmdahl said that the company eventually plans to support the entire catalog for the original Xbox on the Xbox 360."

"100 percent backwards compatibility will be a boon for Microsoft, and we expect to see them use it to promote the next-gen console once the mad holiday rush finishes. It may give them a leg up on Sony, too; Sony's Reiko Sakamoto recently said that the PlayStation 3 may not be 100% backwards compatible."

Your comments are starting to look a bit foolish... I'm sure you will make some desperate excuse for Microsoft, and find some other way to bash Sony, perhaps bring up Betamax or UMD somehow, but that the end of the day, your starting to look desperate...

"Holmdahl said that the company eventually plans to support the entire catalog for the original Xbox on the Xbox 360."

Says nothing about 100%. Atleast not at launch, its infering that maybe LATER.

"100 percent backwards compatibility will be a boon for Microsoft"

This is the writer of the articles comment, not official microsoft statement,

Which part of entire do you not understand?

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/entire

"With no reservations or limitations; complete"

As predicted, some rabid Xbox fanboy pipes in and says 100% and entire are different things...

It's quite pathetic actually...

eventually being the key word there, what dont YOU understand?

What part of EVENTUALLY plans to support it dont you understand Mark.

NEVER did they say that at launch they would support 100% backwards compatibility.

You are beyond retarded...

"eventually plans to" God...

Now go curl up in your closet

Those plans have been canned, there are no more compatability patches planned...

http://uk.gamespot.com/news/6152178.html

Microsoft have offically given up on Xbox360 backwards compatability... So even the eventually was a lie...

Yet again your retardation has proven itself. The whole thing was about you proving that xbox 360 claimed they would have %100 compatibility at launch, you have yet to do this.

Perhaps I am retarded, you obviously have problems with reading skills.

"The XBox360 WAS marketed as being backwards compatible. At one point even 100% backwards compatible..."

Please tell me where I say the word LAUNCH..

Stop avoiding the issue, whether its at launch or not, you have yet to prove either.

Also, that article you posting was about launch. So I don't see how you go off contradicting the very article you posted. dee dee dee

So what happened to your claim of

"At one point even 100% backwards compatible..."

Or did you give that up already?

So thats a NO then, I didn't say Launch. Mind you there are plenty of people mis-quoting here...

I don't see what I am avoiding.

Microsoft claimed to evetually support the entire XBox catalog on the 360, they have since officially stated they have stopped working on backwards compatability, after getting less than 300 games working after 12 months..

VERY different than 200 PS1/PS2 games not working at LAUNCH, some of which may be fixed in future system updates..

You can twist my words however you wish, but these are the FACTS...

"The XBox360 WAS marketed as being backwards compatible. At one point even 100% backwards compatible..."

Thats a quote you troll. And you posted a launch article not me.

P.S. I can do this all day. So I think its best for you to stop before you look even more retarded.

I think to an outsider, there is only one person looking retarded in this thread...

It's a console, you seem to think it's a life or death importantance.

My original comment was based on Sony never claiming 100% backwards compatabiility, even back at CES 2005. When people start throwing untruths that Sony claimed 100% and microsoft never made any backwards compatability promises, that that's BS...

I'm bored now. Some people will never admit that Microsoft screwed them over, and queue up for more...

"I'm bored now. Some people will never admit that Microsoft screwed them over, and queue up for more... "

Right, because some people who pay attention to things have no reason to feel screwed over.

I knew the 360 wouldn't be fully backwards compatible. That's why I kept my old xbox's. Those who thought it would be are idiots. Same as those who thought the PS3 would be 100% backwards compatible too.

Mark, with the way you twist things all the time, I'm surprised you still bother.

They say they "planned" - Planned means they intend to do something - it doesn't mean they guarantee it. Plans change.

Microsoft basically was hoping to get full backwards compatibility at some point in the life of the 360. After seeing what goes in to doing it and probably more importantly realizing time spent making the games work was time that could be better spent on adding improvemtns, so the canned the plans.

They never lied.

Who answered those questions? I'm not sure that shows anything.

How is it that I KNEW they wouldn't be 100% backwards compatible and as release got closer that it would be more that weren't than those that were?

All it takes is a little research and paying attention. Anyone that did that wouldn't have had any reason to complain.

Marky's words are beyond me :'( I don't know if he was answering something, or looking into the sky.

YES! I dont understand why some people dont get that.

"Perhaps I am retarded"

Hey, its about time he admitted it!

"Some people will never admit that Microsoft screwed them over,"

R-i-g-h-t. That's why it's $200 cheaper than the PS3 and forcing me to get Blue-ray when you don't need it.

Who cares about backwards compatibility anyway. That's not why you got a 360 or PS3. At least I got mine to play 360 games.

hahaa

This should have been expected regardless of what SONY has said before. Common since should always win over marketing hype and anyone that expected 100% is a fool.

The PS2 is not 100% compatible with the PS1. Many PC games are not 100% compatible with newer PCs. Even the GameBoy Color was not 100% compatible with some older mono GameBoy games nor is the GameBoy Advance 100% compatible with GameBoy Color games. The same goes for the DS and GBA games.

I expect the PS3 compatibility to be superior to the 360 but I do NOT expect 100% and I never have.

100% is impossible regardless of what any corporation says.

AHMEN!!

"100% is impossible regardless of what any corporation says."

Ahem, Wii... :P

That's because it's such a small progression from the Gamecube, 100% compatability is ensured!!

Even then I wouldn't be suprised if they fail to acheive full 100%. Sony has problems with the slim PS2 not playing early PS2 games...

Sony has problems??

Oh go on... You must be joking....

LMAO

LOL

so how many products do you know that come out that dont have issues ?

i am no sony fan... but i am sure this will be fixxed soon...

but what do i care ... i wont buy one

heh last system i bought was a sega genesis....
i like my computer thank you.

That's it??? thats the big problem? Your PS3 Won't play the original Ridge racer for PS1 that's all scratched up and prolly been beat all to hell. It's cool tho, With it's INTEGRATED WIRELESS, I'm sure there will be an update soon. Atleast it isn't throwing out error codes and overheating...

Oh..and what is this Betanews? "Sony is locked in a fierce battle with Microsoft and Nintendo for next-generation console supremacy"

No no no...Sony is locked in a fierce battle with MICROSOFT, not Nintendo. Nintendo is in a leauge of it's own. Nintendo is the "2nd" console.

ooo i sure they will have there fiar shareof error's

IE "disk read error"

PS2 games also and it has nothing to do with them being "scratched up". Way to spin there.

Alright flamer, I was using ridge racer as an EXAMPLE...doofy

in other words, it's NO BIG DEAL, the 360 had majior issues playing some XBOX games on it's release. It happens, you bring in 50 or so test titles from the PS1 and PS2 they work fine on the PS3, but there are some games for the PS2 and PS1 that won't work on the PS3 until it gets an update from the internet

and I'll make a killing off of fixing them :) Expessially since it's such and easy problem to fix

I know that no hardware is perfect on launch but that isn't the point. Microsoft never promised the 360 would be fully backwards compatible. Sony did, and for the last year or so Sony and it's legions of fanboys have been using that to beat 360 owners over the head. Now it turns out their 100% fully backwards compatible promise was BS and the fans are saying "Oh it's no big deal though". Sure seemed like a big deal when it was the 360.

Yes, he's the flamer.

so far i see you flaming him, good job troll.

of course its no big deal, i guess its not a big deal that xbox360 isnt either. guess its not a real issue to bring uo then now is it?

Yay you're an idiot! I was making a comparison between this issue with the ps3 to the same issue the 360 had...doofnuts

all the while flaming everyone else, then calling people flamers, good job. i like the doofnute remark, come up with that yourself, or did you just spell a good comeback wrong?

Wow, nice to push this as a selling point and then find out it has issues right before launch.

...yeah, it's really gonna cause a problem for you here in the US. it' LAUNCHED in JAPAN and Considering the Japanese PS3 won't play Japanese PS2 and PS1 Games......it really doesn't consern any of us over here in the US since our firmware will be tottaly different from that of Japan....

go away

So it's only 3 percent of the older titles that have a problem but if I was one of the affected users I wouldn't care if it was 1 or 50 of my games that didn't work.

Having read several 'XBOX 360 compatibility bashing' email threads by Sony spokespersons I can tell you I would be truly pi**ed off!

wow i wonder what the compatibility rate will be like then. well they did say that you will have to upgrade the formware right out of the box so i think they would have more down the road that may fix this. But hey we are talking about Sony here

Hmmm, wasn't Mark Gillespie on here a while back spewing about how the 360's compatibility sucked and the PS3 would be FULLY backwards compatible?

This will be fixed with firmware updates!

Please show this thread,

1) I have never stated 100% compatability, as I don't work for Sony, so have no way of knowing before launch.

2) Sony have never stated 100% compatability, they acknowledged that some games will never work, as they were programmed outside the PS1/PS2 programming API, and would required specific patches, which Sony were not going to do.

You obviosuly a troll, and yes I have fed the troll...

It was a long time ago but you did say it. It was one of your 360 bashing points. If I did have the thread you would just run away like the fanboy coward you are. You do it every other time someone proves you wrong and asks you about it.

"You do it every other time someone proves you wrong and asks you about it."

LOL, yeah this is true

I honestly don't know why he even bothers posting anymore, hes always wrong. With a .0002 % chance of being right here and there.

and so far a 100% chance of calling you a troll or fanboy in his response.

i wish i could fix my dog, or the intelligence of the morons i work with, with a firmware update.

So you make claims like that, and can't back it up.

I have never been under the illusion that PS3 will have 100% backwards compatability, and have have never claimed it either.

The bottom line is

200 PS1/2 titles DON'T WORK on PS3
200 titles on Xbox360 WORK...

I'm not going to say otherwsise, but I'm sure Alex is right. But I don't think he or I are willing to go through thousands of post just to shut you up... again.

I seem to recall you saying you work as a shelf stacker at K-Mart, But I don't think I am willing to go through thousands of post to find it, just to shut you up..

See, you can say anything you like, and come up with a lame excuse to not have to qualify it...

LOL, just for your information, I'm an engineer

Obviously not a engineer in any technical field, as your comments prove this...

what are you a sony marketing exec?

You've been warned. Stay away from revision 1 products...

Totally agree.

Oops.

So what is the big deal. I mean, really... just how often are you REALLY going to play old XBOX games? Once, twice maybe? I mean, you had to have an original XBOX to play them, so why not just keep your original XBOX around or close in hand so if you are in the mood, you can just hook it up real quick? I don't even seen this as being an important issue - to me, it's a non-issue. If you want to play your old XBOX games, use your XBOX. Even if it's backwards compatible, it was not designed for that use in mind - the original XBOX was. It's like the old Coke saying - there's nothing like the real thing. So take out your old XBOX and use it. It's been historically known that new systems are not, and probably never will be, 100% backwards compatible. Even the PS2 is not 100% compatible with PS1 games. Emulators themselves, as good as they are today, are not 100% perfect in playing ROMS - so what makes you think the XBOX 360 or PS3 has to be 100% perfect in being backwards compatible? It's a nice feature, but not a big selling point of the consoles. I say get over the fact that some games might not work. And if you are stuck on playing an old game that isn't compatible and for some stupid reason you got rid of your original console, they will be incredibly cheap to re-buy if you are THAT stuck on playing on games.
I mean... look. Most of us that want a PS3 probably currently have a PS2. So what's the big deal... keep it hooked up. Buy a simple RCA switch box and use it - and stop complaining that they are not 100% compatible. Besides, there is nothing on earth that is ever 100% anything.

Bingo! Its really a non issue.

...there is a 100% guarantee that all of us will die one day. ;-)

Don't be so sure ;)