Here you go... a few links regarding HD DVD's turn on the stage at the recent IFA 2007:

http://www.highdefdigest...DVD_Day_at_IFA_2007/920

http://www.pocket-lint.c...oup-price-war-IFA.phtml

http://www.twice.com/article/CA6473629.html

Here's one with a fairly decent timetable of events (and some really good quotes and images of the slides):

http://www.dvdtimes.co.u...ent.php?contentid=65757

That one was my favorite. I wish I could've been there.

I like the way that reliable is emphasized on that article. The Sony crowd is going to have a cow over that. Not to mention that the blo-ray format is still not complete.

Great stuff there.

Exactly! :)

Did Sony pay Disney to go blu?

If a statement like this was made in the HD DVD arena the fanboys would be running crying fowl but since it is Sony it will for the most part go unnoticed.

At this years IFA (Giant Consumer Electronics Show) convention in Berlin the backers of Blu-ray was asked if they had received financial means in order to support Blu-ray.

Warner Bros, 20th Century Fox, MGM and Sony Pictures all said no. However, Disney answered with a more doubtful "No Comment."

This does not say they have received money, however it is strange they did not use the opportunity to set the record straight.

I hope this will stuck in the throat of the cheap hd dud fanbois :

http://i193.photobucket....marzetta/highdefytd.jpg

Wohaha! :D

"I hope this will stuck in the throat of the cheap hd dud fanbois"

- Yeah Dave, cos anyone confronting the idiotic and ridiculous PR BS you always post just has to be a "fanbios", eh?!

Nevernmind, go back to your pointless little pi*sing game.

The truth still is just too much to bear huh?
Between 10 - 20 times the number of Blu-ray players can only manage to pull a (now shrinking) 60:40 'lead' in movie disc sales.

You can't get away from that one.

Neither can you get away from the distinct lack of a single 'profile 1.1' Blu-ray player on sale now or any time soon.

.....and I'm sure your taunts have them really quaking at Viacom/Paramount.

Time to wake up Dave, Blu-ray is set to be just another failed Sony proprietary format.

Better luck next time.

Are you sure that its not you who post bulls***? Cos Blu-ray is not Sony format but Fox and Disney`s. Check you facts.
You spew crap every day here and are saying that others are.

Paramount are wh***s. They have been paid and used. Soon will catch the disease and will go where Toshiba is going -> in the wax museum.

Between 10 - 20 times the number of Blu-ray players
Hahah. So PS3 is a player when you need it to be and not a player when you dont. Because its still actually less BD players out there...
Blu-ray kicks hd dvd a** with less players.

What a shame that you ignore that.
loser

Earth to Davie in case you don't know the payoff you talk about is a myth started by desperate Sony fanbiys that has been confirmed. You fanboys make so much stuff up its sickening.

"Are you sure that its not you who post bulls***?"

- Yes, quite sure Dave as your subsequent comments demonstrate all too clearly once again.

"Cos Blu-ray is not Sony format but Fox and Disney`s. Check you facts."

- No you check yours.

Whilst it is true there are 'full members' of the BDA and 'associate members' too the fact is that Sony is the biggest holder of Blu-ray patents and is also the biggest single partner/investor in it.

Why do you keep trying to lie about this?
No-one is fooled you know.

"Paramount are wh***s. They have been paid and used. Soon will catch the disease and will go where Toshiba is going -> in the wax museum."

- You're talking like a rather dumb little 5 year old child, get a grip.

"Between 10 - 20 times the number of Blu-ray players
Hahah. So PS3 is a player when you need it to be and not a player when you dont."

- I realise this concept is too advanced for you and the rest of the idiot Sony/PS3/BD fanclub but the PS3 is not a 'stand-alone' device.

That's the point and it's a fact.

It is a Blu-ray capable device and obviously could play Blu-ray movies if sufficient PS3 owners were interested in using them that way.

The problem you guys have is not enough of them are and everyone now knows it.

"Blu-ray kicks hd dvd a** with less players."

- No you moron.

Blu-ray has far less stand-alone players out there but several million PS3's that can play Blu-ray movies.

Make a t*t of yourself wriggling on this hook all you like Dave but it was the Blu-eray side that claimed those millions of PS3s would drive BD to the 'win' here.
It has not.
Those millions of PS3s have merely worked up a (now shrinking) 60:40 'lead'.

"What a shame that you ignore that."

- I think everyone can see the facts you repeatedly continue to ignore and avoid Dave.

"loser"

- That would be you again.

You're too blinkered to see it but you & your idiot hydra pals have ensured enough people got sufficiently pi*sed off with your obvious lying & twisting BS that this site (like many many others) now laughs at your clear & obvious attempts at shilling your Sony/PS3/BD cr@p.

That would also be an excellent description of Blu-ray.
Whatever happens now (and it's still possible if unlikely that HD DVD may not displace SD DVD and 'win') the one thing you can be sure of is that Blu-ray has lost.

HD DVD has the most available content, the most exclusive content and the biggest potential catalogue.

You lose.

Yet another failed Sony attempt at shoving a 'security nightmare', proprietary format onto everyone fails......good bye Blu-ray, enjoy your PS3 proprietary format status.

Ha ha.

"the payoff you talk about is a myth started by desperate Sony fanbiys"

- Precisely.

Bill Hunt and his mate to be precise.

Just another one of those ludicrous fools who claims to be a Blu-ray insider (I'm betting that's based on no more than that he once hung around talking to a rep after a show a couple of times, an annoying hanger-on who wouldn;'t go away unless they told him something *secret* on the way.....and you can bet that was mainly made up just to get rid of him).

That obvious Blu-ray supporter & shill - you know the kind.....the type who guesses stuff and pretends to be 'an insider' and yet knew nothing of the Viacom/Paramount move until it happened.
.....or the kind of cretin promising everyone all year that Universal was going format neutral.
.... or the type of ludicrous buffoon who pretends that they 'know someone' who assurred them Microsoft are going to release a Blu0ray add-on any day now.

Bill & his pal got quoted as 'inside sources' in Time.
Wow.
Then the tale fed itself as the Sony/PS3/Blu-ray fanclub seized on it & took it as proof to quote any time they can.

(Like it makes any difference to what happened anyways.
Not forgetting that they look more than a little hypocritical ignoring what Viacom/Paramount had to say about Sony subsidising Blu-ray disc production.....was that not effectively a multi-million $ "bribe"?)

Not that they care to hear what Viacom/Paramount actually had to say on the matter anyways.
....hell, they only ran with the format a year, what do they know, huh?

Thats why Parawh*** confirmed that they got the "deal"...

How sad that you wont get your salary because your money were given to Parawh*** in a desperate attempt to save the format..

http://www.tech.co.uk/ho...ain?articleid=438219833
Panasonic: 'Blu-ray will win, be certain'

So it Panasonics format now right?

Get over it. You lost already.

What a retard...

LOL

Thank you. You always seem to beat me to it...

Hey, I'm convinced now! I love how he went into great detail on just how he came to that conclusion... at least I think he did. He must have... right? I'm still looking for the "Read more of this article" link, but I'm having trouble... LOL

Joachim Reinhart

Add that name to a growing list of people who will wish they had not ruined their credibility and made themselves look foolish by "going on record" announcing speculation to the press.

Be certain!

With 'Dave' it's always such a special pleasure to tear his nonsense to shreds piece by piece.

Yeah, well in Dave's 'mind' his/her claims are his/her idea of 'proof'.

You'll get no article cos there is nothing except vague references put out by Bill Hunt desperately trying to tell people in the wider media that he 'knows things........no really'.

There is no actual proof of Viacom/Paramount saying anything.
That's the fact.

The rest Dave can link to is a Blu-ray backer publicly saying they still reckon Blu-ray will win.

Wow, Stop & hold ther presses, huh?
What a revelation.

Don't you just love the way Dave & the rest of the Blu-ray shills now just ignore & skim over the fact that HD DVD has the most available content, the most exclusive content and the biggest portential catalogue?

BTW anyone seen the Blu-ray fanboys trying to defend the sh*tty cropping of one of their supposedly 'killer' BD movies, POTC, on avs?

It has to be seen to be believed, cropped off heads and all!

Ouch! He probably wont work up the guts to reply to that one lol. Couldn't have said it better myself.

I believe people call things like Dave's post "desperation." He is grasping at straws. I would say he is making himself look more like a fool, but I don't think that is possible at this point.

Yeah, I saw that... atrocious. Talk about quality!

http://www.avsforum.com/...showthread.php?t=898666

Sad indeed.

Watching Frank Simonis (who is the chairman of the Blu-ray Disc Association and also the senior director of communications) getting torn to shreds is another classy one.

http://www.avsforum.com/...showthread.php?t=901388

He's the idiot who has publicly claimed POTC couldn't fit on HD DVD cos it's 143 minutes long.

Looks like he forgot King Kong is 181 minutes
and Batman Begins is 140 minutes.

.....and whilst he was at it forgot all about the Blu-ray movies on BD25 discs.

Those BDA shills are just getting shamelessly desperate.......sadly fools like Dave lap that kind of cr@p up and smile and ask for more.
Too weird.

Haha... thanks for that. That guy is one seriously misguided buffoon. No wonder the Blu-ray Smurfs are the way they are. Look at their role models.

Apparently we now have the proof... it doesn't fit on BD either. That must be one loooong movie!

Hmm, Frank Simonis... I like 'Papa Smurf' better.

At least Mr. Bay was smart enough to stop drinking the kool-aid. He saw through the lies and propoganda. The other more challanged people have not figured it out yet.

http://www.nxtbook.com/n...tex/hom090207/index.php

Blu-ray Dominates HD Sales
Posted August 31, 2007 by Josh

New data from Home Media Research shows that Blu-ray is continuing to lead in high definition media sales. As of August 5th, the top 10 best selling high definition movies are all available on Blu-ray, and half of those exclusive to the format. Warner Brother's '300' leads the pack, followed by 'The Departed', 'Casino Royale', 'Planet Earth', and 'Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest'.

Noticeably absent from the list is Universal who didn't have a title which sold enough copies break into the top 20. Paramount made it to 17th with their release of 'Babel', but if there wasn't a Blu-ray version of the title, it would have fall well short making the list. All Blu-ray studios were represented in the Top 20 (including Lionsgate with their release of 'Crank').

Who cares! Like many have stated it is so early with both formats it really does not matter. We'll see once the average consumer starts to buy instead of the young kids living with their parents. I find it interesting the amount of blo-ray fan boys I see posting pictures of the their collections. They buy every title just say they have it. It may suck but hey they have it. Some moron on bluray posted a picture of his 220 blurays oh boy he wants to prove he is a fool that is great who cares.

I see you bring Paramount into the picture I guess you are still crying in your soup about them leaving blo-ray. Wait till Shrek and Transformers come out and you will be crying more. For God's sake get over it already and grow up a little.

This Xmas the shelves will have $500 blo-ray players that are not final spec yet and final HD for $200 which one will sell more? Hum not blo-ray.

HD DVD is not final, there is the 51GB HD DVD, that is not compatible with todays players.

You told us this yourself.

"HD DVD is not final, there is the 51GB HD DVD, that is not compatible with todays players."

- Liar.

No-one knows if the 3rd layer of the 51gb disc will work with gen 1 or 2 HD DVD players.

That's all.

The 51gb disc is not a change of spec.
Wake up.

We already know from the specs of the 1st drives that they will play the 1st and 2nd layers of the new 17gb per layer discs.

That being the case (and it is) the 'issue' you're trying to make something of is a rather minor matter of the 3rd layer only.

.....and even if the 3rd layer is not readable so what?

There's no indication whatsoever that the movie industry wants to move to 51gb TL discs
(quite the opposite in fact if you read what Viacom/Paramount had to say)
and even if they did it is not beyond the wit of anyone to package the disc in such a way that the main feature was on layers 1 & 2 with 'extras' on the 3rd.

Better luck next time.

It's actually Blu-ray that stands to leave people behind as the extras they advertise requitre a secondary video decoder to play 'p-in-p' stuff (for profile 1.1) and internet connectivity to play d/l-able content (for profile 2.0) that the current gen players (including the PS3, it has no secondary video decoder) simply do not have at all.

Ah I never said any such thing, give it up already.

You are obviously an idiot, the PS3 has no hardware decoders, it does it on the cell, in software.

so, the PS3 just needs a software update to be Profile 2.0 ready. do you know how simple it is to instantiate a new decoder object in software on the cell?

They you go again resorting to name calling.

"You are obviously and idiot"

- You're obviously such an idiot that you can't even reply to the correct post.

You've clearly no idea.

But do feel free to come back and present proof that the PS3 is upgradable via firmware update to 'profile 1.1 & 'profile 2.0.

It's obvious you're just making stuff up.

If it was true Sony would be shouting it from the roof-tops & they would not have delayed 'profile 1.1' nevermind having no actual realistic date for 'profile 2.0' (which some are saying they may well ditch for the time being).

Stop making yourself look like the ill-informed twit you so often are here.

Making absurd & ridiculous stuff up (which is so obviously untrue) fools no-one
(except maybe yourself).

Aww, there's ways around the PnP stuff... like including two complete separate versions of the movie on the disc (one with, one without). They've done that before... LOL

No wonder all that disc space is necessary.

I don't understand why it's so hard for some people to understand. If HD DVD had never come out, and Sony took the time they needed to let BD mature, it would be an incredible HD option. The point is, HD DVD is here, it's final, specs that are optional on BD are mandatory on HD DVD (which is the way it should be), and studios are starting / have started to realize that.

The current (and upcoming) crop of BD players out there are simply way overpriced, an extreme waste of money, and a horrible investment for anyone who is even remotely serious about the future of their HD home theater.

Thank you, Hocus. :)

Well actually the PS3 can do that, it will be included on the PS3 V2 which leaves the other early investors lacking. The way to make yours work will be to buy a new one and add to the sales numbers.

Only Microsoft screw end users by release incompatible versions every six months.

They dumped on original Xbox owners afer 2 years, the dumped on 360 owners with the Elite, they dumped on the Elite owners by including HDMI in the core and premiums, then dumped on core owners by making some games require HDD. The dumped on 11 million 360 owners by giving them a shoddy, rushed to market unreliable console, that need to be sent back every once if a while for repair, for upto six weeks.

Guess what, the repairs are not working either. Even new August 07 units are still failing...

Lets' hope yours does not die on Halo3 day.

Actually, it's only name calling if it's inaccurate.

You ARE an idiot/retard, so saying so is perfectly accurate.

You keep thinking that. I know better that you are talking about yourself since so many people prove you wrong so you make more absurd stuff up in your reponse.

lol

I think you've got it!

It'll be interesting to see whether they get taken to task for false advertising & shafting the early PS3 adopters.

This is going to go down like a large turd in a swimming pool once people realise (which is why they have been desperately trying to come uip with a way around it......rather hilariously there has some - admittedly speculative - talk of them maybe dumping some of the updates to avoid the wave of deep disappointment/annoyance).

Just so you know software is never as good as hardware but I'm sure sure you'll make crap up about that too.

You are kidding right. Only MS screws its customers! That is the funnest thing I've heard in a while.

Oh dear.

The Samsung dual format player is only Blu-ray profile 1.0 afterall.

The Samsungs Press release for IFA says the price is 999euros (approx £689 or $1378 US).

The press kit is here -
http://presse.samsung.de/downloads/i...ektronik. zip

So that's exactly 0 (as in none, zero, not one etc etc) 'profile 1.1' Blu-ray players on the market now or likely to be in months......my bet is that they miss the new Nov 2007 target too.

Wow, with all those extra 'profile 1.1' features they're trying to claim to sell Blu-ray I wonder if this comes under misrepresentation and false advertising?

This just gets funnier and funnier.

.....and that Daewoo is so obviously a PR exhibition model of what they are planning rather than a proper model announcement/release.
Wake up
(or prove to us all exactly when it's certain to go on sale & for how much).

Profile 2.0 before they can even get profile 1.1 right and out in the shops.
Yeah right.

The samsung play is 1.1 capable. It's got the 1.1 hardware, PiP dual decoder, and ethernet port, a software update to Profile 1.1 is forthcoming.

The Daewoo is 1.1 ready, as is the Philips and Lowe Blu-Ray players.

Another nice attempt at FUD, but it fell well short of the mark.

"The samsung play is 1.1 capable."

- I'll take the German Samsung press release (which clearly says it's 'profile 1.0') over your confused ramblings any day, shill.

" It's not got the 1.1 hardware, PiP dual decoder, and ethernet port, a software update to Profile 1.1 is forthcoming."

- Exactly, it hasn't got the necessary hardware, you admit it yourself.

You can't update your hardware with a software update, you laughably ill-informed fool.

"The Daewoo is 1.1 ready"

- The Daewoo (nice to see you correctly spelling it this time) is so obviously an exhibition demo model.
Wake up.

......or provide details of where & when I can go and buy one now.
You can't, you know full well it's just a PR model to show what they have in mind at some point in the future.
Wake up, you're not getting 'profile 2.0 until someone (anyone?) has perfected and brought to market 'profile 1.1'.

....and Daewoo, ffs talk about raking out the bottom of the quality barrel there!

"as is the Philips and Lowe Blu-Ray players".

- Yeah of course they are. More vaporware and pretty pictures in a magazine.

So where are these player then?
Where can I get one?

Stop lying; you know perfectly well that there is not a single 'profile 1.1' player on the market right now and nor will there be for months.

The one quality player that everyone knew would be most likely to finally meet this troubled 'profile 1.1' spec has just been delayed until Q2 2008.
.....but it'll be interesting to see if the Denon HD DVD player appears first or not.

LMAO.

I'm sorry, but those prices are just flat out ridiculous. Is it just me, or is Sony actually _increasing_ the price of their BD players? Yeah, that's gonna make them sell like hot cakes.

Toshiba's HD-A2 is still in the top-10 on Amazon, among all electronics. The HD-A20 is now on the list, $200 cheaper than the cheapest BD player. Still, no Blu-ray products from any manufacturer on the top-100. I guess millions of people can't be wrong... Blu-ray is not a good deal.

bluray.com has to have the biggest bunch of whinners I have ever seen. If you find fault in any thing said you get banned.

Just like with Vista, you do yourself a favor by waiting "a little while".

Warner Bors. will be supporting both formats as they want to push Total HD (their own disc that can handel both HD DVD and Blu-Ray, one format on each side of the disc) starting 2008.

I am pro xbox and HD DVD, but I don't mind the idea of both HD DVD and Blu-Ray living side by sid, movies being sold on Total HD. This way, the WB way, you will be able to play BD films on HD DVD players and vice versa.

I support the decision of Paramount Pictures and Dreamworks to drop Bluray - Both go HD DVD Exclusive! If you look at the Sony camp, they have Disney, MGM, Fox, Sony Pictures being BD exclusive. And being BD exclusive don't do much good for people with HD DVD players. And the BD side started the exclusive run.

A perfect world would be for all studioes to support both formats. And sometimes the arrogant Sony side, needs to taste their own medisin. I hope they will learn a lesson.

"Warner Bors. will be supporting both formats as they want to push Total HD (their own disc that can handel both HD DVD and Blu-Ray, one format on each side of the disc) starting 2008".

- Warners recently admitted delays/shelving their 'Total HD' discs until 2008.

Who knows if they'll really proceed with it?

Does anyone really think Viacom/Paramount's experience with Blu-ray's high production costs are unique only to them?

RCS Sony is bashing themselves. Even though they have screwed over how many people, how many times they still have do clue. Therefore it makes it easy to say...

BOYCOTT ALL SONY products.

And the ball is dropped again. What a shock.

BD 1.1 spec on the rocks again?
In what is now becoming an absolute joke, too funny to be even called a fiasco, the "new, newer" deadline for all Bluray players to HAVE to meet the mandatory final player specification is approaching on November 1st, yet NO players, ZERO, are currently scheduled to ship that meet the BD 1.1 spec. In fact, all new BD players are being rushed to market before Nov 1st so that they do not have to meet the spec, and the only player to meet 1.1 has now apparently been delayed till 2nd quarter 2008!

The Daewoo one does. The new Samsung one has the hardware (the PiP capable decoder and ethernet, just missing the software).

Nice try at FUD there, but you need something more than that.

You sir are the FUD master on this site. Daewoo don't they make cars? Oh they sucked so they got out of the market.

Wow, there is ONE?? Can you name another one? Why isn't there one from Sony? Hmm.

He's not the one that needs more of anything... it's BD player manufacturers.

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0 rows returned

"Wow, there is ONE"

- No.
There isn't even one.

The Daewoo is a PR demo model without a serious release date.
It's an indication of what they think they'll be doing at some point in the future, that's all.

There's not a single 'profile 1.1' player available.
There are no concrete dates for their release either, just estimates and guesses.

That's why they're rushing out as many non-profile 1.1 players out before the Nov deadline
(which is really what this thread was about).

Does this one come with free rootkit?

Sorry, couldn't resist.

Only the BD-ROM drives do... and only if it's made by Sony.

I guess we can all start posting links to eproductwars since HD-DVD is outselling BD in the top 10 and 25 again.

What a shame that a format with so few players can keep up with BD. I think you will see another company go HD-DVD exclusive during CEDIA.

BD can make all the "cheap" players they want. Right now, you can get an A2 with 8 free movies, free shipping, and no tax at Amazon for $238US.

And the Sony-bashing begins in
5...
4...
3...
2...
1...

Yeah, if only everyone would just shut up and take what they're given huh?

Nevermind that the players are launched in the same month of the spec requirement that they fail, eh?

Let 'em spend their eurodollars on it now, so we here in the USA can eventually have a cheaper and better working unit.

"Let 'em spend their eurodollars on it now, so we here in the USA can eventually have a cheaper and better working unit."

- I bet we don't bother with many of them, over-priced & under-spec'd.

Like the PS3 their sales will be under-whelming to say the least.
Loads of them will stay bolted to the shelves.....which given the spec is what they deserve.

Imagine a Blu-ray stand-alone being unable to play BD -R or BD -REs.

It's pathetic.

The S300 isn't 'profile 1.1' compliant and I highly doubt the S500 is either.
The only 2 supposedly confirmed Blu-ray players that are are the $2000 Denon (now delayed until Q2 2008 - late next spring or summer) and the $900+ dual format Samsung BDP5000 - but now we hear there are questions about this too.

They can't even sell stuff to meet their own supposedly mandatory (from Oct 2007) spec.

Talk about built-in obsolescence......how pi*sed off will all the BD owners be to find that supposedly vital extra content isn't accessible with their brand new players?

Why bother?

Compared to HD DVD it's just more underspec'd & overprice junk......

......with the least amount of content available and the least amount of exclusive content available.

How things can turn around, huh?

LMAO.

There are plenty of new players that do.

The Daweoo one does 1.1, and the Philips one to.

The Lowe is unconfirmed, as is the new Sharp player.

Funny how you comment on the quality of HD but you don't even see that the reputation of the companies that you site here are known for making garbage.

"There are plenty of new players that do."

- By "plenty" I take it you mean

'not one 'profile 1.1' Blu-ray player that is actually available right now'

and

'a tiny and unconfimed number of players that might be profile 1.1 compliant in several months' time?

Stop lying, no-one's fooled.

Daewoo.......ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.

(that's Daewoo btw)

They have a large Daewoo electronics plant near me here in Northern Ireland and I know guys that work there.
Their comment & advice?
Never buy a Daewoo.
They put in the absolute cheapest components they can get their hands on and their reliability is appalling - most tellingly of all is that they would never buy one either.

I'm looking forward to it being reviewed..... sometime late next year!

LMAO.

Wow, that is plenty...

Talk about rushing something out the door. Blu-ray simply was not ready. They've been scurrying to meet deadlines since day one... and still are.

"Blu-ray is taking off..."

Yeah, after sitting on the runway with engine trouble for the past year. I hope you didn't get first-class seats, because that nose dive is gonna hurt.