RSSSony pulls PS3 update after some gamers report bricked systems
By Tim Conneally | Published July 3, 2008, 12:18 PM
Just hours after making it publicly available, Sony has pulled the PlayStation 3's latest firmware download (v2.40) due to reports of inoperable consoles after the update process.
SCEA's director of Corporate Communication and Social Media, Patrick Seybold, played down the problem, saying that incoming calls regarding failures have been of a low volume, and the removal is only temporary.
If incidents are in any way reflected by the voluminous message board chatter on the subject, it has only affected a fraction of users. Of the hundreds of posts reporting v2.40 update status for Playstation.blog readers, only several dozen posted system failures, and conditions surrounding those were somewhat inconsistent.
The worst outcome that several users have reported is a PS3 that simply does not boot after upgrading. One user said, "I tried to update to v. 2.40 this morning. Probably around 10:30 or 11:00 PST. It rebooted and left me hanging on the screen with the squiggly wave lines. It did not make it to the XMB. Upon calling Sony, I unplugged the machine. I plugged it back in. I restarted it. I held down the power button until it turned red again. Then I repowered the machine. Now I don't even get to the wavy squiggly line screen. I just get a black screen." Several other users reported the same.
The firmware update added several notable features, most prominent of which is the ability to access the XMB operating system screen while playing PS3 software. It also added an Internet search command that does not first require an open browser, and a new "trophy collection," which lists all the user's objective-based trophies collected from games which support that feature.
Some users who reported successful installs, however, report issues with these new features, claiming that attempts to access the XMB in-game or check their trophy collection both result in frozen systems -- but nothing as serious and incurable as a bricked PS3.
Sony has said it is "working diligently to isolate the problem...and to identify a solution before we put the firmware back up." In the meantime, some users have taken the matter into their own hands, removing and reformatting their PS3 drives at the expense of their previously saved games.
I downloaded the firmware update and I have not had any problems at all.Maybe I'm just lucky?I'm very happy with my PS3.
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|ummm.. i updated just fine! Love my trophies!
I have had no probs while updating, and since then... all is well!
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|No more Sony for me.
I hate rootkits
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|Yes, as this article had everything to do with that. Go away and hide under your bridge, troll.
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|Also, I must agree with those who said it, as much as I love my PS3, six axis is horrendous.. bad Sony, bad!
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|whats so bad about it? works great for me.
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|True fanboy response. The controller was abviously a last minute idea to make up for the loss of force feedback. Why did they drop it in the first place, Sony's arrogance about paying royalities to the company that patented the forcefeedback controller.
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|It's just bad luck really, my PS3 works perfectly fine.
and lol @ console arguments. I remember when it was games that were played competitively, not the fact you bought * console. I like all the console, they have their own characteristics that make them good. The Wii is good for playing with friends, for a laugh, the xbox and the PS3 both have decent communities and games and are fun to play online.
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|since the 2.4 update I've had trouble w/ my BT.
disconnects after a level or mission
I have to restart the game or the PS for it to work again, rather annoying but I'll just wait for the next update, not worth my backing up and formating
newyorksabre damn stfu
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|Oh Oh, those good old Nintendo days, they're history.
We're living in the Beta-century now....
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|We have a new DaveBG and his name is newyorksabre. What a complete tool.
NUmbers don't mean anything if the games arent fun to play. I'll play Boom Blox for Wii before I'll play Lair for PS3.
You're arguments are weak as gameplay is everything and fancy graphics mean nothing if the game sucks.
By the way, Burnout Paradise looks much smoother on the 360 than the PS3, as I can A/B them to compare the graphics. The PS3 version reminds me of those old Namco arcade games with the badly shaded polygons with severely jagged edges.
Other PS3 games look fantastic, as long as there are curved edges. The PS3 does not render straight lines worth a s*** at any angle. I laughed when I saw MGS4. The power lines in the intro literally were the worst case of jaggies I have ever seen on a so called top end gaming machine. This was after about ten minutes of loading time.
A lot of things looked god awful in that glorified hide and seek game.
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|i remember last time u mentioned burnout ps3 vs 360.. i never got around to compare, but I do have mgs4 and if you think there is a single problem with graphics then ur just a hater lol
I love my 360!! ....love my ps3 more!
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|MGS looks very nicebut frankly I don't think the 360 would have any trouble duplicating the experience. Would need more than one disk but who cares since that is far from a new concept.
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|I bet they could squeeze it in there if they took out most of those cut scenes. Less for me to skip through. =p
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|I wonder how much of the data is repeated on the blu ray disk to compensate for the less than stellar speed of the drive.
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|You must not know how to google, it's a wonder how you found this site. Here are the facts ONCE AND FOR ALL Why PS3 is better than 360:
Processor: xenon (360) 3 cores @ 3.2 GHz
the cell (PS3) 7 cores @ 3.2 GHz
PS3 Has a much stronger processor
GPU: xenos gpu (360) 500 MHz & 48 pixal pipelines
reality synthesizer (PS3) 550 MHz & 24 pixal pipelines
xenos is slightly more powerful than the synthesizer, BUT what the true gamers will tell you( as I am about to now) games rely on cpu much more than gpu.
Hard Drive: 20 GB NOT upgradable only 13 GB available (360)
60 GB SATA 2.5 " HDD FULLY UPGRADABLE (PS3)
This makes the PS3 HDD 47 GB bigger and reads ALOT faster because of serial ATA technologies.(bobthegoat should stay on the farm and leave the computer specs to us city folk)
RAM : XBox 360 features 512 mb RAM All of which can be accessed buy the cpu & the gpu. The RAM is clocked at 700 MHz.
The PS3 RAM is split into 2 RAMs. CPU RAM & GPU RAM, which both add up to 512mb. THE GPU RAM is clocked @ 1.3 GHz, that's nearly TWICE as fast as the 360 RAM. The CPU RAM is clocked @ 3.2 GHz The GPU can borrow RAM for the cpu.
The 360 ram doesn't stand a chance against the PS3 ram.
USB Ports
XBox 360 has 3 USB ports, 2 in the front 1 in the back.
The pS3 has 6 USB ports 4 in the front of the console.
PS3 is again the winner here.
Reliability:
10,000 XBox 360s get sent in each week to MICROSOFTS repair center.The XBox 360 has a failure rate of more than 33%. MICROSOFTS response" but but it's cheaper"
The PS3 has a failure rate of 0.2%. This means that the PS3 is 150 times more reliable than the XBox 360.
More features better than the 360:
1. Far more reliable than Xbox 360. No red-ring of death failures that must be sent off for a fortnight to repair.
2. Blu-ray is going to win the next generation format. The PS3 has the cheapest blu-ray player that your going to get.
3. WiFi built in. No more Ethernet cables across the room. Excellent browser - watch youtube videos, check and print email and play Macromedia Flash games.
4. Your PS3 has another cool party trick – use your PS3 as a phone to call your friends who are logged on via your Bluetooth headset.
5. PSOne and PS2 backward compatibility + PSP connectivity, file and multimedia sharing over WiFi.
6. Six-axis. Motion sensor wireless controller. Also comes with a free USB cable to charge.
7) High Definition Multimedia Interface (HDMI) 1080p and Digital Audio. Superb graphics and audio on games, that holds up to 4x more data than other game discs.
8. PS3 exclusives: Metal Gear Solid 4, Genji: Days of the Blade, Final Fantasy XIII, God of War 3, Heavenly Sword, Kill Zone 2, Uncharted: Drake’s Fortune.
9. SATA hard disk drive. You can choose any SATA hard drive instead of having to buy one from Sony. MS charges 200+ just for 120GB hard disk.
10. Distributed research making use of the PS3’s CELL Processor. When you’re not playing games, why not put it to good use and help find a cure for diseases. (folding@home)
10. Don’t have to spend 75 + a year just to play against someone online.
It's always a pleasure to serve you the facts about software and hardware. Please feel free to bow down to the PS3.
Oh don't forget I'll also own you on your Xbox 360.
Gamertag: xXHardCoreXxV ( Don't worry I own the same game)
Sources:
http://www.us.playstation.com/ps3/hardware
http://hardware.teamxbox...ystem-Specifications/p1
http://gamesplayers.word...st-things-about-the-ps3/
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|Hey newyorksabre fanboy,
First of all, Live is only $49 a year and PSN sucks a bag of crap.
The 120GB 360 costs less than an 80GB PS3 and comes with a 2 year warranty.
The numbers don't mean s*** if you can't tell the difference between the two system while you are actually playing (both of which I own).
The PS3 controller feels so light and cheap compared to the 360, I can't stand even holding in my hands.
The PS3 has to do some monster download to update games all the time, which really sucks.
I'll take the 360 over the PS3 any day, even with all it's faults like RROD, which mine just came back from (brand new console with a manufactured date of June 2008 with a free black wirelees controller and free 12 month XBOX Live card, plus a letter of apology).
Sony would never do this to please thier customers.
My PS3 is a fantastic BD player and that's pretty much it.
By the way, hockey is for beer drinking white trash low life racist hillbillies.
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|In regards to the 360's hdd.
First of all, the reason there are only 13gb available AT FIRST, is due to the fact that there are videos and at least one game (Hexic HD) pre-loaded. All of which can be deleted by the user if they want.
Secondly, the hdd can be upgraded, either with the official 120gb hdd, or thru certain hacks.
Third: do you really consider Sony's hdd to be that much of an advantage, when you take into account the installs that a good number of games require? Oblivion took up a nice little chunk of my available space, and didn't load any faster than it did on my 360...go figure...
On to your 'bullet points':
1. Redundant point. You used it before in your diatribe.
2. A little late to the party. Blu won the next-gen format war a few months ago. Unremarkably, it remains a niche market.
3. To use a quote of yours from earlier: "BUT what the true gamers will tell you..." Wi-fi can be quite laggy when playing games across it. Decent browser, but I have a computer for those things, so I consider it to be a push.
4. I have a cell phone...using my PS3 to make a call seems more than a little bit like overkill.
5. Backwards compatability depends on which model you have.
6. The six axis sensor did wonders for Lair, didn't it. The controller feels way too light, and the motion sensors seem like more of a gimmick than an actual feature.
7. Here's a secret for ya: HDMI is NOT required for a hd picture...only 1080p. Component cables will transfer a very nice 1080i picture (which is more than enough for a good chunk of the hd tv owners out there). Furthermore, HDMI allows for more DRM. BTW, the 360 has HDMI, now, as well.
8. 3 of the games you list haven't even been released, yet.
9. Redundant arguement.
10. For the first year it was out, the PS3 didn't have that many worthwhile games. Folding@home was one of the few reasons (for many) to even turn their PS3 on...
10 (part 2 apparently). Live costs $49 a year...to play online. Otherwise, it can be accessed for free; with the user paying for things that he/she downloads. While I prefer the PSN store to 360s marketplace, Live makes the PSN look like a fart in a hurricane.
Most reviewers will state that the 360 and PS3 versions of a game are very comparable. All those numbers don't mean S$%T when considering that the majority of people want to do one thing...play a game. Both consoles cater to that, and it kind of makes either's superiority a wash.
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|SATA does not mean it is necessarily faster.
And wow are you sad...
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|"6. Six-axis. Motion sensor wireless controller. Also comes with a free USB cable to charge."
What a joke, six-axis is terrible.
"5. PSOne and PS2 backward compatibility + PSP connectivity, file and multimedia sharing over WiFi."
Yah, true depending on the model you pick up.
"10. Distributed research making use of the PS3’s CELL Processor. When you’re not playing games, why not put it to good use and help find a cure for diseases. (folding@home)
10. Don’t have to spend 75 + a year just to play against someone online."
Why do you have two number 10s? Xbox Live is only 49.99, and 39.99 when on sale....your comment is plain bogus. Nobody is going to buy 12 1 month trials.
Finally, I've never needed to use all three of my USB ports...I would never need 6.
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|Not only the monster download but then the semi-lenghy install as well.
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|So you're saying that bigger in terms of physical size (not just hard drive capacity) is always better?
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|The only facts that I can see here is that have no mastered the art of copy and paste. What is your next trick?
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|Facts? My a$$. Maybe YOU should learn how to use Google.
"Hard Drive: 20 GB NOT upgradable only 13 GB available (360)"
You just contridicted yourself. Here's what you said, "MS charges 200+ just for 120GB hard disk." Not to mention it was never that much. Let me hold your hand and help you with Google. "Current Xbox 360 owners who don't feel the need for HDMI but still want increased storage space have this option available for a retail price of $179." -IGN.com
Not to mention you can use an external HD if you want more space.
"60 GB SATA 2.5 " HDD FULLY UPGRADABLE (PS3)
This makes the PS3 HDD 47 GB bigger and reads ALOT faster because of serial ATA technologies."
Here, I'll help you, "The custom 2.5" hard drive is connected through a SATA interface".
"Processor: xenon (360) 3 cores @ 3.2 GHz... "
And with all that goobly gop, I still play my 360 more. Want to know why? One simple word, 'Games'. Not to mention the Online is better on the 360 too. And like I said before I don't have to wait 20 minutes for it to install the game.
"USB Ports"
So what? I have 4 wireless controllers that don't need USB.
"Blu-ray is going to win the next generation format."
I don't buy movies, so I don't care about BR. I do rent DVD's though, and if I want to see it in HD, I can download it from Xbox Live Marketplace without any extra hardware.
"WiFi built in."
Yeah, but it's not required. Eithernet is faster and more reliable anyway. I can use my 360 as a Media Center Extender and watch my HD TV shows that I recorded with my HTPC. Wifi isn't fast enough if it's too far away from the router.
"use your PS3 as a phone"
OH MY GAWD!!!1!one!!! That's amazing!!!!! Or I could just use my cell phone.
"PSOne and PS2"
That's what my PSone, PS2 and Xbox [one] are for, which I haven't played for months.
"PSP connectivity, file and multimedia sharing over WiFi"
I could do that without a PS3.
"Six-axis"
Oh joy. A Nintendo Wii copy. Not very many games use this feature either, let alone put good use for it [Lair!].
"(HDMI) 1080p and Digital Audio. Superb graphics and audio on games, that holds up to 4x more data than other game discs."
The 360 has HDMI and Digital Audio too. So far it looks like the developers have done fine with a quarter of the space of BR too. Look at The Orange Box. It includes Half-Life 2, Episode 1, Episode 2, Team Fortess 2 and Portal all in one (1) DVD.
Just to be clear, more space doesn't mean better graphics if the graphics chip can't handle more. As you can see with my other link that the graphics for the PS3 don't look much better (if at all).
"Don’t have to spend 75 + a year just to play against someone online."
That's another lie. And you act like you know how to use Google. It's $49.99 per year. Or $43.99 and free shipping (for 13 months) if your order from Buy.com
Thank you, come again.
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|Hey "Professor"... the Cell Broadband Engine is not a 6-, 7-, or even 8-core processor. It has one Power PC core, and 8 DSPs (only 6 of which are available to developers, 1 reserved at all times for the PS3's operating system, and 1 completely disabled to get higher yields).
The SPEs on the Cell are not autonomous, and rely completely on the PPE for instructions. Granted, they are capable of impressive floating-point calculations, but they are useless without the PPE... you know, that one core.
Get your facts straight, hmm?
If, by your logic as a true gamer (as opposed to all us fake ones), games rely on the CPU much more than the GPU, then the PS3 is in sadder shape. This article will most likely make you cry... brace yourself:
http://dpad.gotfrag.com/...al/story/35372/?spage=4
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|"10. Distributed research making use of the PS3’s CELL Processor. When you’re not playing games, why not put it to good use and help find a cure for diseases. (folding@home)"
I like this one the best...since the PS3 only consumes the power of 3 refrigirators...why not keep it on all the time to help someone research something?! It's "FREE!". LOL.
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|"So far it looks like the developers have done fine with a quarter of the space of BR too. Look at The Orange Box. It includes Half-Life 2, Episode 1, Episode 2, Team Fortess 2 and Portal all in one (1) DVD."
Also, judging from the comparison shots from the site you linked to earlier, not only did they manage it, but they also managed to make it look better.
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|Is it just me or do the PS3 shots of assasins creed look really washed out compared to the 360 shots?
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|That's what I thought too. I thought the 360 looked more sharp and clearer.
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|you nailed it on the donkeys as$!!
great post!!!
5stars
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|i got to say one thing, only because its overly used and completely a 'cheap' excuse for a reason...
"games".. bro, people, ladies, gents.. all the games i have is for my ps3. I only buy exclusive games for my xbox and there is NOT many i like.
"gears of war, halo...ummm, thats all folks"
plz people stop with the "we have more games".. no, same games, stop lol XBL is the only thing better, but now that PSN is stepping up there game with home/2.40 that reason will disappear soon.
thats all folks.
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|PSN has a long way to go. So how was Orange box on the PS3?
One could also say the same for Resitance and other PS3 exclusives. Some people prefer the 360 or the Wii for that matter over the PS3 or any other order. It is after all about opinion. We can clearly see that your religion of choice is Sony.
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|From waht i have been seeing Orange Box on the PS3 is an all around disaster.
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|That's what Sony gets for using a GPU that PC gamers had been using for almost a year before the Xbox 360 was released.
Don't get me wrong... I've always been a huge nVidia fan (except for a couple of months after they scooped up 3dfx, which was painful for me to deal with since I was a bigger 3dfx fan). However, there are limits to what a GPU that is 3 years old can accomplish (especially at HD resolutions) compared to ATI's more advanced offering in the Xbox 360.
The PS3 zealots will apparently believe what they want to believe... they always have. The simple truth of the matter is that the Xenos GPU is basically an ATI R600, which is the GPU that their HD 2900 cards were built around. Those cards were released to compete with (and in some cases wipe the floor with) nVidia's 8800-series cards, which were much more advanced than their own 7800- and 7900-series.
As advanced and impressive as the PS3 is supposed to be, Sony's GPU choice has been a head-scratcher for quite some time. And yet, the fanboys prattle on and on about how the PS3 will still be relevant 5-10 years from now from a gaming perspective. That's hysterical...
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|I wouldn't go so far as to call it a 'disaster', but there are a few spots (not as many as some reviews said) with a frame rate issue.
Overall, the 360s version was handled better, though.
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|I wont grant your entire post a responce when it can be responded with just one part.
"10,000 XBox 360s get sent in each week to MICROSOFTS repair center.The XBox 360 has a failure rate of more than 33%. MICROSOFTS response" but but it's cheaper"
And it STILL continues to sell well, people are not listening to trolls (big suprise there). Not bad for a machine that accordingly to you is clealy a peice of s*** in comparison
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|Well, your allowed to have your opinions and I'm allowed to have mine. You may like Sony's games better, but that doesn't mean I have to too. I seem to like FPSers more. So for Sony that leaves Resistance and... that's about it.
I played and beat MGS1 and MGS2 Substance, but never really got the hype about it. I don't really get the point in racing pretty cars around in a circle (though arcade type racing is ok, or even better if you play online or with freinds, but that's about it). The only Final Fantasy game that I liked was the original one on the Game Boy (with a green screen).
There's other factors though too that I aready mentioned for the reason I like getting the 360 version of the game over the PS3 version (no installing, better online). Especially GTA4 (exclusive content from Live).
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|Mmm Resistance....I tried to get into that one, but it was a steaming pile of crap IMO.
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|"but now that PSN is stepping up there game with home/2.40 that reason will disappear soon."
2.4 didn't even put it close. I pointless Second Life rip off is not going to do it either. Polish a turd, it's still a turd!
"plz people stop with the "we have more games".."
Umm...The 360 does have more games....
""games".. bro, people, ladies, gents.. all the games i have is for my ps3. I only buy exclusive games for my xbox and there is NOT many i like."
Fair enough...I buy all my games on the 360 and only buy exclusives on the PS3. So far the only one I have thought worth a purchase is UT3, which isn't going to be an exclusive much longer. The rest were renters.
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|to make my point bit clearer...
I buy games like GTA4 (rasied on ps), also fps is my fav! thats why i love to play COD4 on my ps3 aswell..
actually, sometimes I try to figure out if i should buy one game for xbox or ps3, i usually end up going for the ps3 version..
but today i want to buy "alone in the dark" xbox only :-)
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|2.4 is working fine for me still with all my games including MGS4
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|"SCEA's director of Corporate Communication and Social Media, Patrick Seybold, played down the problem, saying that incoming calls regarding failures have been of a low volume, and the removal is only temporary."
Typical Sony response. They never EVER take responsibility for anything, no matter how badly they screw up. They always try to s*** the blame to someone else or pretend there was no problem in the first place. Say what you will about Microsoft, but at least when there was a problem with the Xbox360, they stepped up and extended everyone's warranty and offered to fix the problem. It would take a class action lawsuit against Sony to get them to do something like that. In fact, this is what happened with the PS2's faulty laser assembly. Sony had to lose a class action lawsuit before they would fix the problem.
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|Ummm...you do remember how long MS was spouting their 'vocal minority' nonsense, in regards to hardware problems, before offering up the LIMITED warranty extension, right? (Hint: over a year). How about the fact that when they extended the warranty, they left quite a few users holding their pud, since it didn't cover any of the dvd drive problems (drives that couldn't read 360 games, scratched discs, etc.)
I'm not going to say that there isn't an issue with this particular firmware update, but it seems that every time a firmware update comes out (for either console) there are people who b**** that it messed up their machine.
Anyone who remembers my rants from the BR/HD DVD 'war' knows that I'm not a Sony fanboy, in any aspect; but give them a little credit where it's due. When they found out there was an issue with the firmware update (regardless of how many were affected), they pulled it.
At least they didn't wait until almost 30% (according to some reports) of their users had a problem before acknowledging the problem.
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|How about the class action lawsuit against Sony because f the disk read errors!
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|Which one? There were a couple, if I remember correctly...lol.
Anyway, the point that I was trying to make was that they did the right thing...THIS TIME. Nothing more, nothing less.
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|Fair enough.
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|Good Point :)
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|Sounds to me like a good reason to NOT update.
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|I managed to get the update installed before they pulled it, everything works ok.
My only real complaint about it is they did not really add many new features and allot of what they did add is still limited.
In Game XMB - no PS2, DVD, Blu-Ray access/no Voice Chat/no cross game invites
Trophies & Custom Soundtracks - like, five games supported. why did Sony not tell game companies they were going to do this a long time ago?
2.4 was suppose to be the update of updates. it let allot of us down :(
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|cross game invites...what can you do with a cross game invite that you can't do with an in game message?...is it THAT hard to type in..."stop playing that game, come play this game"
the trophies and custom soundtracks need to be patched in...if the devs don't want to patch their older games thats their choice...
as far as i know by this holiday season it will be manditory for all new games to include both...
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|It is just easier with a cross game invite. Also it is a pain in the butt to type using a controller. I find it funny watching all of the Sony fanboys trying to justify the new updates shortcomings though.
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|in game message? is it that hard to pick up the phone and call your friend and tell him... well you get the point.
and like I said about trophies and soundtracks, sony must have been working on this for a while there is no reason they should not have informed the game company's. so some of the newer games (MGS4 anyone?) could have shipped with support and some of the older ones could have had patches ready.
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|LOL...I love how when Sony doesn't include a feature...the fanboys still say "hey...you don't need that silly feature, you can just get around it by...!".
LOL I guess it's just one of the many little things Sony fanboys never get to experience, so they enver know what their missing...which is why they try to flame the 360 (having never been exposed to what a real online gaming experience should be like). Ah well...I guess before making any improvements to their online system, they need to get someone to release a game that's actually going to be worth playing online. :)
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|You think it's because they installed a rootkit?
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|Another screw up by Sony. This update includes support for upscaling, which I assume includes deinterlacing of 1080i video, on Blu-Ray discs (BD-R and BD-RE) but NOT for commercial stamped Blu-Ray movie discs. Considering nearly every set top Blu-Ray player supports deinterlacing 1080i video on commercial Blu-Ray discs before passing it on to the TV, I'm surprised that the Playstation 3 STILL can't do this basic task. It doesn't take an expensive Silicon Optix Reon or Realta video processor to do this properly. The deinterlacing of 1080i video can easily be done in software on the PS3's Cell processor.
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|I don't see why any one need the in-game XBM to begin with. Alot of these features, are really not nessessary. For example: a search engine. Really, this is a waist, any serfer should know all you have to do is put in what your looking for in the Address bar. Kinda stupid if you ask me. In-game Jukebox, that 98% of the programs, don't support.
Was 2.4 really nessessary, or a waist of time. I play oblivion, or GTA, those don't support XMB Jukeboxs. The only programs that do, are the ones that you download.
Too much hassle, having to learn the entire system all over again. I was happy the way it was.
If you want in game jukebox, then contact the manufacture.
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|Hmm... at least Microsoft's updates fix problems, not cause them. :)
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|Yountmj, you must NOT remember the last update for Xbox 360 when it crashed tens of thousands of Xbox live servers leaving gamers stranded over the new year weekend, only to promise to comp a free game in which I nor anyone I know ever received.
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|Yeah except the update didn't brick the console it only prevented online play, the console itself continued to play games and not lose save data and you know not just flash a black screen at you.
Keep reaching though...
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|Ok, new patch re-released after only a day, go figure. Again the support from Sony is far better than Microsoft. I have both by the way ( 360 & PS3) so I can not feel your pain terminalx or any other one dimensional gamers who continue to hate on the best gaming system in the world. PS3 outmatches 360 in every single way and will continue to do so for the next 10 years. It's funny how these broke ppl who consider themselves educated in the gaming industry could try and down play the best graphics, gameplay, and most importantly HARDWARE for the 360 that comes in a far SECOND. You can reach all you want but you'll never have the money to find out.
P.S. If you want to lose to me some more, why don't you send me an invite on the 360's greatest game out C.O.D.4. That's if you can afford Xbox Live.
gamertag: xXHardCoreXxV
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|I'll reply to both of you here...
Yountmj: Not always. During the first year of MS's seasonal updates, there were quite a few forum users who complained of problems after doing the updates. Since it was during MS's 'head in the sand' timeframe (in regards to the RROD), there really isn't any way to know if these consoles were getting ready to have a problem, or if it was the update itself causing it.
Sabre: If you and your friends didn't get the free game, you really didn't try. MS offered up Undertow as a free download, for Live's downtime.
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|Wow, did you even read what I said at all your comment has absolutely NOTHING to do with what I said. The update bricked the console who cares if they rereleased it Sony still hasn't said how to fix the ones who are bricked. That's it but since you want to go on some tirade about nothing, here we go...
For someone who states they own both you praise the ps3 above and beyond. You would realize they both have their faults and neither of them are better then the other.
I'll never have the money to find out? What are you, twelve? I don't have a 360 which makes your post even more humorous and I do own a ps3 and a wii. I'll own the 360 when the 60 gb hdd comes out.
The only thing that the ps3 has better is the cell and a larger medium and even that is reaching as of now its still not doing anything the xbox can't do.
Rofl at afford xbox live its $50 dollars a year - a kid working minimum wage could afford it.
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|The PS3 is so far that all the games look the same when compared side by side. metal gear has nothing that the 360 can not do. the PS3 may and this a big may be slightly better but not the monster differnce you make it out to be.
It's also nice that you resort to insults too. Grow up.
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|"PS3 outmatches 360 in every single way ..."
What about:
- Games: The 360 has more
- Higher Rated Games: Check any game review site and compare both 360 and PS3 top rated games and see witch has more
- Users Online: 360 wins again
- Game Loading: Guess which one loads faster. Plus you don't have to wait 20 minutes (literally!) for the game to install 5gbs. And even after the install, you only gain 2 seconds over the 360. So much for the 40gbs (that would be upto 8 games the PS3 would be able to hold with these manditory installs).
Those are just ones I can think of off the top of my head. There's probabaly more.
"and most importantly HARDWARE for the 360 that comes in a far SECOND."
Graphics Comparison
I don't see any difference. Actually in some cases the 360 looks better. Have fun explaining this one.
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|You must not know how to google, it's a wonder how you found this site. Here are the facts ONCE AND FOR ALL Why PS3 is better than 360:
Processor: xenon (360) 3 cores @ 3.2 GHz
the cell (PS3) 7 cores @ 3.2 GHz
PS3 Has a much stronger processor
GPU: xenos gpu (360) 500 MHz & 48 pixal pipelines
reality synthesizer (PS3) 550 MHz & 24 pixal pipelines
xenos is slightly more powerful than the synthesizer, BUT what the true gamers will tell you( as I am about to now) games rely on cpu much more than gpu.
Hard Drive: 20 GB NOT upgradable only 13 GB available (360)
60 GB SATA 2.5 " HDD FULLY UPGRADABLE (PS3)
This makes the PS3 HDD 47 GB bigger and reads ALOT faster because of serial ATA technologies.(bobthegoat should stay on the farm and leave the computer specs to us city folk)
RAM : XBox 360 features 512 mb RAM All of which can be accessed buy the cpu & the gpu. The RAM is clocked at 700 MHz.
The PS3 RAM is split into 2 RAMs. CPU RAM & GPU RAM, which both add up to 512mb. THE GPU RAM is clocked @ 1.3 GHz, that's nearly TWICE as fast as the 360 RAM. The CPU RAM is clocked @ 3.2 GHz The GPU can borrow RAM for the cpu.
The 360 ram doesn't stand a chance against the PS3 ram.
USB Ports
XBox 360 has 3 USB ports, 2 in the front 1 in the back.
The pS3 has 6 USB ports 4 in the front of the console.
PS3 is again the winner here.
Reliability:
10,000 XBox 360s get sent in each week to MICROSOFTS repair center.The XBox 360 has a failure rate of more than 33%. MICROSOFTS response" but but it's cheaper"
The PS3 has a failure rate of 0.2%. This means that the PS3 is 150 times more reliable than the XBox 360.
More features better than the 360:
1. Far more reliable than Xbox 360. No red-ring of death failures that must be sent off for a fortnight to repair.
2. Blu-ray is going to win the next generation format. The PS3 has the cheapest blu-ray player that your going to get.
3. WiFi built in. No more Ethernet cables across the room. Excellent browser - watch youtube videos, check and print email and play Macromedia Flash games.
4. Your PS3 has another cool party trick – use your PS3 as a phone to call your friends who are logged on via your Bluetooth headset.
5. PSOne and PS2 backward compatibility + PSP connectivity, file and multimedia sharing over WiFi.
6. Six-axis. Motion sensor wireless controller. Also comes with a free USB cable to charge.
7) High Definition Multimedia Interface (HDMI) 1080p and Digital Audio. Superb graphics and audio on games, that holds up to 4x more data than other game discs.
8. PS3 exclusives: Metal Gear Solid 4, Genji: Days of the Blade, Final Fantasy XIII, God of War 3, Heavenly Sword, Kill Zone 2, Uncharted: Drake’s Fortune.
9. SATA hard disk drive. You can choose any SATA hard drive instead of having to buy one from Sony. MS charges 200+ just for 120GB hard disk.
10. Distributed research making use of the PS3’s CELL Processor. When you’re not playing games, why not put it to good use and help find a cure for diseases. (folding@home)
10. Don’t have to spend 75 + a year just to play against someone online.
It's always a pleasure to serve you the facts about software and hardware. Please feel free to bow down to the PS3.
Oh don't forget I'll also own you on your Xbox 360.
Gamertag: xXHardCoreXxV ( Don't worry I own the same game)
Sources:
http://www.us.playstation.com/ps3/hardware
http://hardware.teamxbox...ystem-Specifications/p1
http://gamesplayers.word...st-things-about-the-ps3/
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|Facts? My a$$. Maybe YOU should learn how to use Google.
"Hard Drive: 20 GB NOT upgradable only 13 GB available (360)"
You just contridicted yourself. Here's what you said, "MS charges 200+ just for 120GB hard disk." Not to mention it was never that much. Let me hold your hand and help you with Google. "Current Xbox 360 owners who don't feel the need for HDMI but still want increased storage space have this option available for a retail price of $179." -IGN.com
Not to mention you can use an external HD if you want more space.
"60 GB SATA 2.5 " HDD FULLY UPGRADABLE (PS3)
This makes the PS3 HDD 47 GB bigger and reads ALOT faster because of serial ATA technologies."
Here, I'll help you, "The custom 2.5" hard drive is connected through a SATA interface".
"Processor: xenon (360) 3 cores @ 3.2 GHz... "
And with all that goobly gop, I still play my 360 more. Want to know why? One simple word, 'Games'. Not to mention the Online is better on the 360 too. And like I said before I don't have to wait 20 minutes for it to install the game.
"USB Ports"
So what? I have 4 wireless controllers that don't need USB.
"Blu-ray is going to win the next generation format."
I don't buy movies, so I don't care about BR. I do rent DVD's though, and if I want to see it in HD, I can download it from Xbox Live Marketplace without any extra hardware.
"WiFi built in."
Yeah, but it's not required. Eithernet is faster and more reliable anyway. I can use my 360 as a Media Center Extender and watch my HD TV shows that I recorded with my HTPC. Wifi isn't fast enough if it's too far away from the router.
"use your PS3 as a phone"
OH MY GAWD!!!1!one!!! That's amazing!!!!! Or I could just use my cell phone.
"PSOne and PS2"
That's what my PSone, PS2 and Xbox [one] are for, which I haven't played for months.
"PSP connectivity, file and multimedia sharing over WiFi"
I could do that without a PS3.
"Six-axis"
Oh joy. A Nintendo Wii copy. Not very many games use this feature either, let alone put good use for it [Lair!].
"(HDMI) 1080p and Digital Audio. Superb graphics and audio on games, that holds up to 4x more data than other game discs."
The 360 has HDMI and Digital Audio too. So far it looks like the developers have done fine with a quarter of the space of BR too. Look at The Orange Box. It includes Half-Life 2, Episode 1, Episode 2, Team Fortess 2 and Portal all in one (1) DVD.
Just to be clear, more space doesn't mean better graphics if the graphics chip can't handle more. As you can see with my other link that the graphics for the PS3 don't look much better (if at all).
"Don’t have to spend 75 + a year just to play against someone online."
That's another lie. And you act like you know how to use Google. It's $49.99 per year. Or $43.99 and free shipping (for 13 months) if your order from Buy.com
Thank you, come again.
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|That one through ten list there is lame.
1. Blu ray player drives failing costs $150 360 red ring free.
2. You don't need no stinking blu ray to make games.
3. You don't need wifi to play online. The ethernet port works just fine.
4. Wow you can call someone again whippy. 360 has an onlie that is superior in just about every way.
5. I thought the newer PS3 are not backwards compatible.
6. The six axis is a rushed idea since nothing uses it well at all.
7. I thought the 360 has HDMI.
8. Exclusives every console has them. Both have good ones so big deal.
9. SATA is nice but not really needed. If it is faster you need to be since you need to have masive installs because the soon to fail blu ray drive is so damn slow.
10. Folding how ever a good idea sadly won't do much. Go ahead and think it will if it makes you sleep better. How about being green and stop wasting electricity with that oven.
Oh yeah forgot about the failure rates you mentioned. Yes there was a problem and yes they (MS) is fixing it for free. Sony had t be taken to court on previous consoles before they helped out. Then most didn't even know about the suit not sure how that one happened.
Face both are good system with their pros and cons. But no you would rather drink the Sony kool-aide and say that the PS3 is the best thing on earth.
you can spin your architecture stats how ever you like but the person that you responded to is correct with what he posted.
USB ports not that is an important thing. I guess I'll run out and buy an other PS3 since it has more USB ports.
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|Actually, an A-B comparison between the 360 and PS3 links for each in-game capture show quite a noticeable difference in quality... most seriously in favor of the 360's GPU (big surprise there). :)
The textures on the building bricks and cobblestones on the ground in Assassin's Creed on the 360 look much more detailed than the PS3 version.
Thank you for that link.
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|"...a kid working minimum wage could afford it."
As the sheer mind-numbing horde of adolescent punks online proves. :)
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|You know all you are doing is making yourself look stupid.
Everyone who doesnt have a pair of Sony or Microsoft sunnies can see that no console is clearly better than the other.
So for all that more powerful hardware the ps3 has according to you, it's seriously under performing. Is that a firmware fix?
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|Too much protection == Too much troubles.
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|I have one question. Why does SONY have to be put under the microscope when it makes a simple, little mistake?
Microsoft made VISTA the worst OS I have ever used in my opinion. Which also had/has lots of problems. And lets not forget all those unhappy 360 users with the "Red Ring" or what ever its called.
So for all you PS3 haters out there, think about all the f-ups Microsoft has had and cutt Sony some slack.
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|Probably because Sony put malware on people's personal and business systems. They will forevermore be criticized for everything they do. And rightly so. A truly evil corporation.
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|Because everyone puts MS under the microscope. Bricked systems btw is not a "little" mistake.
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|Hi, you must be new to the internet or just have to find a way to troll this topic and bring up the tired RROD of issue. (we get it its there yet people still continue to buy it, so go figure)
Vista is your opinion the worst OS, there are a lot of people that like it and a lot who hate it. There is also a lot of people that like the new version of OSX and a lot hate that too. This may surprise you but there are a lot of people that like CHEESE and some do not OMG!
MS has been getting criticized for every tiny thing they do since they became a monopoly. Vista while they did screw up on it still gets flack for issues that have been fixed but thanks to people who go on reading what it was like when it first came out it continues to be the scapegoat.
Sony has screwed up quite a lot starting back to playstation one and continuing forward, their customer service is a joke but unfortunately this happens with most large companies, even APPLE has told its customers to get bent.
You should probably avoid posting in the future as you honestly believe this is Sony's only blunder, they have had plenty but you know don't let blinding facts keep you from believing that "awww poor Sony, they are being picked on" wasn't warranted to begin with.
Before you also go assuming (as most fanboys do) I own a PS3 a wii and will own a 360 in September - all consoles have their good and bad points, use what you want but don't go thinking Sony is some poor defenseless child who never does anything wrong, ever.
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|Yeah, sure and Microsoft has never put any spyware/malware into their OSes, right?
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|too add,
vista gets flack for also doing things right...
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|Right.
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|you would need numbers to quantify it as little or not. The danger of the net is that it tends to magnify isolated problems and make them seem like disasters. (in other words, everyone's sob story is the most important thing ever that has happened) In this case IDK depends on the numbers. There's some sort of bell curve for everything. % are more important than numbers in these matters, but that is not to say the numbers are unimportant. .... but i ramble.
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|proof?
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|Heh... true.
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|"Yeah, sure and Microsoft has never put any spyware/malware into their OSes, right?"
Right, you are correct.
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|Neither company is perfect, and both have had their time under the microscope. MS's denial of the RROD (not to mention other issues) is still a sticking point for a lot of people...myself included.
That said, Sony gets scrutinized the way they do, because of their history. The rootkit debacle, expoding laptop batteries, optical drive failures across all three Playstation generations, the backwards compatibility debate (is it, or is it not important?), the profile issues for Blu-ray...the list goes on.
Sure, I'll give them a little credit: they pulled the update when they realized it was causing some users problems. That doesn't really hand them a 'get out of jail free' card, though...
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|The worst OS you have ever used you must not be very old. Vista is fine with the right hardware. Don't spin this thread back to that pissing match again.
Lets also not forget that MS fixes the "Red Ring" for free including shipping. Yes it was a problem and they stepped up to fix it. More than Spny ever did with the PS2 they had to be taken to court. Then there was the PS1 with having to put the console on its lid to play games.
Cut Sony some slack with what they have done please. Cough root-kit, cough, PS2 disk read errors, cough, PS1 disk read errors. They need to be watched.
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|If mine bricked that would be a disaster.
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|Ah can you prove that one.
Dave, Pit or who every are I am still waiting for the links that show me what you claim. I guess this is just another desperate attempt defend a point that you again can not prove.
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|*silence*
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|Seems to like putting stuff out there run away. Kind of expected so I'm not surprised.
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|Maybe it's Pit, with a new name.
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|This will piss off a few Sony fanboys. What does this new release have that makes it worth installing?
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|DUDE!!! my ****ing ps3 is dead now wtf!!! man this is the price some of us pay for not waiting.... now what? what can i do?? this is not a heat issue as with the xbox which can be easily fixed man
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|At least make it a moving target when you bend over.
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|I bet for $150 Sony will fix it. That is what they charge for the blu ray failures. Funny a Sony console with an optical drive problem. Go figure.
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|but nikka i dont want to play money if i can fix it by myself(xbox) you know what im just gonna sell everything except for the blowme-ray drive and the HDD... everything must go
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|I had to plug in my already charged and registered PS3 controller to the USB charging cable after downloading the update in order to even install it after downloading.
Rock Band, Guitar Hero Aerosmith, and Top Spin 3 work fine so far for me.
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|really...that was changed like a long time ago...you used to have to keep the controller plugged in...but its been quite a few firmware updates since i've had to do that...
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|Yeah Bladeforce... it's better to waste money on the xbox 286... err, 360, if you also buy an special adapter, special cooling systems, etc... so the system don't overheat. Usually, when game consoles are released, they are more advanced that the computers in the market... So far now, the PS3 Cell Processor is far more advance than current PC chips... you cannot say the same for the xsh.. xbox (an intel quad core is now more advance that the xbox chip).
It's just a matter of time for the real power of the PS3 to be unleashed... Keep dreaming, keep supporting the monopoly, keep in the loosers side (ups, sorry for the HD DVD).
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|even as a PS3 fanboy i do not like being associated with people like this...ignore him...
yes the PS3 is more advanced IMO...but to knock the 360's technical prowess is silly...yes it was poorly designed from a hardware standpoint...but it is an extremely capable machine...
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|Hmmmm...no idea what your talking about regarding half the crap you said (i.e. "special adaptor", "special cooling system")
The PS3 may have a more powerful CPU but in nearly all GPU specs, the 360 is more powerful than the PS3.
http://forum.pcvsconsole...iewthread.php?tid=19237
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|Your right about that, it could have been better designed.
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|The link may be a bit outdated so I dont know how accurate it is...so dont slam me for being incorrect or anything :)
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|the real problem in those types of comparisons is the fact that the PS3 and 360 are TOTALLY different from a designed standpoint...
the 360 has 512MB of main memory that can be shared between CPU and GPU depending on need...The PS3 has 256MB dedicated to each side...
The PS3's RSX GPU is designed with the cell in mind...the Cell and RSX are supposed to work together in doing the graphics work, while the 360 is a more PC like "seperate jobs" type thing...the kicker is the Cell processors SPU's...if used properly A LOT of the grunt work can be unloaded to the SPU's to free up the GPU to do other work....also the memory on the PS3's GPU is faster than the 360's...
all and all there are pros and cons to both...i think if i had to make a call i think in sheer brute force work the 360's Xenos is more powerful than the PS3's RSX...but again the key is the cell processor and the spu's...if used correctly there is a lot of potential to be uncorked..
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|XBOX try to do black with high contrast? NO NO NO. On HDTV PS3 is good at what it does. . . XBOX360? good at what it does. Fanboys, give it up choice is choice. Can't choose? Got money? Get both, see for yourself and enjoy gaming like everyone else wishes they could.
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|Yeah you got that reversed and you can check it out specifically on transformers as its washed out pretty bad on the ps3 version.
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|"The PS3's RSX GPU is designed with the cell in mind...the Cell and RSX are supposed to work together in doing the graphics work, while the 360 is a more PC like "seperate jobs" type thing..."
The so-called "Reality Synthesizer" is an nVidia G70 7800-series GPU with a different name. Granted, a nice GPU (3 years ago for the PC, that is), but a far cry from extraordinary by today's standards.
The RSX is just as "PC like" as the original Xbox GPU was.
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|reading comprehension 101...
first i said nothing of the actual design of the GPU...just that the two were supposed to work TOGETHER and not seperate like the 360 CPU/GPU...
second, its not a 7800 series, but ill let you find out why on your own...
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|"The RSX is pretty much a 7800GTX class GPU in some cases its worse in some cases better, nothing that is really new. Now the same can’t be said about the 360’s GPU at all.
Now the 360’s GPU is one impressive piece of work and I’ll say from the get go it’s much more advanced than the PS3’s GPU so I’m not sure where to begin, but I’ll start with what Microsoft said about it. Microsoft said Xenos was clocked at 500MHZ and that it had 48-way parallel floating-point dynamically-scheduled shader pipelines (48 unified shader units or pipelines) along with a polygon performance of 500 Million triangles a second.
Before going any further I’ll clarify this 500 Million Triangles a second claim. Can the 360’s GPU actually achieve this? Yes it can, BUT there would be no pixels or color at all. It’s the triangle setup rate for the GPU and it isn’t surprising it has such a higher triangle setup rate due to it having 48 shaders units capable of performing vertex operations whereas all other released GPUs can only dedicate 8 shader units to vertex operations. The PS3 GPU’s triangle setup rate at 550MHZ is 275 million a second and if its 500MHZ will have 250 million a second. This is just the setup rate do NOT expect to see games with such an excessive number of polygons because it wont happen.
Microsoft also says it can also achieve a pixel-fillrate of 16Gigasamples per second. This GPU here inside the Xbox 360 is literally an early ATI R600, which when released by ATI for the pc will be a Directx 10 GPU. Xenos in a lot of areas manages to meet many of the requirements that would qualify it as a Directx 10 GPU, but falls short of the requirements in others. What I found interesting was Microsoft said the 360’s GPU could perform 48 billion shader operations per second back in 2005. However Bob Feldstein, VP of engineering for ATI, made it very clear that the 360’s GPU can perform 2 of those shaders per cycle so the 360’s GPU is actually capable of 96 billion shader operations per second."
yeah so you would be wrong...
source: http://dpad.gotfrag.com/...al/story/35372/?spage=1
its very in depth and non-biased as well.
If you can show otherwise I would like to see because even a google search states the same thing...
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|I find it rather comical how fanboys choose to believe what they want to believe.
Yes, it most definitely is a 7800-series GPU from nVidia. I would be more curious to "find out why" you believe otherwise.
It wasn't designed to do anything special on the PS3 above and beyond what it was already designed to do on the PC 2 years prior to the PS3's launch.
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|I do agree with you wholeheartedly... it could and should have been designed better. I do, however, respect the design and capabilities of both the Xbox 360 and the PlayStation 3. They truly are impressive consoles.
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|Nice stuff forgot about all those specs. I remember there was lots of talk about this back in the early days of these two beasts of consoles.
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|http://www.sonyps3news.c...3-firmware-24-out-again/
apparently firmware update 2.4 has be re-released
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|Oh cool, time for me to see if it works...
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|An its been pulled again with still no fix for people who got burned
http://www.computerandvi...m/article.php?id=192333
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|When are you Sony lovers going to realise, even after a loong time in development they still cant get it right. Not only that but the update could "brick" your system. That is just crap quality testing for a company "so big"
Another shovel of crap Sony has just dug out for themselves in their gaming grave...
Even if the update happens to a very small percentage it is unforgivable..just imagine what upgrades to the later blue ray profiles will be like lol!!
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|Do you remember how many versions of the PS2 they had to make and still never got it right?
LMAO
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|i have had no problem with mine at all. i almost wonder if the updated systems were the new 80gb that were released with MGS4. like i said mine was fine my friends was fine and our online friend's was fine. we all have the original 60gb. anyway great job Sony for the quick pull back. hopefully the problem will soon be fixed for all of those who werent able to get it.
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|Its happening to all different ps3s, go on the playstation 3 forums its every shape and size.
The update is sorta "meh"
None of the new features will work unless they patch their old games, (stardust had a 255mb update for it) only games that I know the custom soundtrack works for is stardust and pain (rumor is cagney for burnout will allow custom, we will see)
The trophies is going to be even slower as its not what a lot of developers care about, newer games maybe it will have it but it sounds like Sony didn't think it all the way through...
We will see...
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|yes pats on the back for taking it off line.. What about those that lost saved games???. Or to question why the hell they still don't have a clue as to why this is happening.
Personally I would like to see what they are offering people because of this mishap
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|What do you mean Sony didn't think it through? It's up to sony to make the PS3 have trophies capabilities...DONE. Now the developers have to program their games for it. Nothing is 100% off the bat. Give it time mate.
Man there is no pleasing you people. If Sony cured cancer you guys would complain that not all cancer was cured. Give it time Mate.
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|Since its being left up to the developer there is no guarantee it will get the feature to begin with.
You can't even stream the files, granted this is just one update but people have been complaining about this since it came out and this is all they got to show?
I do like that is completely replaces the in game music and you still have the sound effects, but it would have been nice if they enabled it to be used on top of any game. (I believe thats how xbox's works, I could be wrong though)
I said seems to now have thought it through which means IMO and even developers have stated we are too busy focusing on new stuff to worry about trophies and other updates but hey we did get a clock!
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|haha, come on Danno...its some kind of software bug...its unfortunate, but it happens...it happens with every kind of software out there....
not to mention it seems to be VERY rare, and random...i woudln't doubt if it was VERY difficult for Sony to duplicate the problem in the QC labs because there does not seem to be any rhyme or reason to the problems...
but like i said...i've had no problems...and of the people i know with PS3's that have updated there are no problems....
I personally have a NA 60GB launch PS3 with a 320GB WD HDD in it...but i do have friends with both 40GB and 80GB that have no problems either...
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|"Man there is no pleasing you people. If Sony cured cancer you guys would complain that not all cancer was cured. Give it time Mate."
You could say the same thing about all you Sony fanboys! For example the RROD issue. MS is fixing it FOR FREE and sending you a FREE box to ship it in. You don't even haft to leave your house! Just put your 360 in the UPS box and send it back with him! Not to mention the fact that the RROD issue has probably been greatly reduced, but we will never hear about it because people that don't have problems don't post!
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|updated here with no problems...it seems to be a really small fraction of PS3 owners having problems...i think its quite possible for Sony to have missed this during testing...
regardless it sucks, and you would hope Sony would have gotten it right, but im glad they have taken it offline to try and fix whatever the problem was...
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|Nice quality control there Sony.
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|My favorite line in the article is:
"The firmware update added several notable features, most prominent of which is..."
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|Hmm I heard that there were bricked systems and that taking the harddrive out of the POS3 and attaching it to your home computer. Reformatting the drive and then re applying the patch work for some people but they lost all their saved games.
Wow looks like Sony is nipped in the butt again.. Maybe next time they will ensure they test before the release.
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|Yea because a "Low volume" of systems that need their HDD formatted makes it a "POS3". That is entirely worse than a 33% failure rating making the consoles completely worthless. Unless of course your one of those nintendo fan boys that like commenting on every story about every other console and every product released by the companies that make those consoles. Get a life and start stop wining about every other console just because your mother only bought you one.
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|What?!?! You mean Sony makes mistakes too?!?!
Didn't see that one coming!!! /sarcasm
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|".. but nothing as serious and incurable as a bricked PS3."
kinda contradict the feeling I got when I read the title of this story!
I been waiting for this update for lonnggg time!! well, i'll just play some "alone in the dark" for my 360
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