i am building a new system in august 2008 for that system i have ordered an LG bluray\hd drive cost approx.$153.00. it also is a writer.the bluray writer supports 50G disc's.i intend to use the amd 64 X2 6400+ processor with 3 GB of ram.under xp pro.

Blu-ray for my computer is a joke!

3 ghz core 2 duo with 512 mb video card 2 gigs ram.....
Blu-ray must be ripped to the hard drive before it will play with out stutter!
it also will not play on my TV unless it is ripped to the hard drive first.....

What a shock...Blu-ray is the only HD format on the market, and it's still not 'ready for prime time'...

Sony posted a larger loss then Toshiba with their Playstation 3.

Sony almost a year later being the only seller of HD Disk Players are still not lowering their price. They STILL don't have plans to lower it anytime soon.

So YES SONY ARE GREEDY THEY ARE NOT ALLOWING A FREE MARKET BY BUYING STUDIOS OFF.

Can I laugh now really hard now?

Yes Sony took a bigger loss that Toshiba for the PS3. Most of that happen in 2006 and 2007. Let's see...I punch you in the head 3 times and then ask you if you want a 4th walloping. Guess what the answer would be. If you guess NO you would be correct. Sony doesn't want to keep burning a whole in their pockets. Who would have thought?

8 months ago everyone though HD-DVD was going to win. Things change. Sony will have egg on their face if they raise the price so I can gaurentee you that BD players (yes even Sony's) will drop in price. I bet around Christmas time you will see all kinds of price drops because it will increase sales.

Why yes Sony did by a few studios. Columbia/Tri-star was bought in 1989 by Sony. In 2005 they purchase 20% of the holdings for MGM. You know they also own this company called Sony Pictures and Sony Classics. It really should be too surprising that they are in the movie industry and have connections. I believe when this stupid war started they have 7 of 8 major studios signed on to produce BD discs.

Sony created this format in the late 70s called Compact Disc. They also own a few music labels. They have no competition (oddly enough no one mentions this format when they think of failed Sony formats, yet I can't think of a format that has succeeded even close to this format)! We are screwed now! *chuckle*

Cairobeta,
Are from Egypt and getting your first access the the internet?
So, stupid other than your poor engleesh, what's ya point!

"Sony created this format in the late 70s called Compact Disc."

Sony did not create the CD. It was introduced in the 80s and it was a joint venture between Philips and Sony, with Philips contributing the most. The CD was based on Philips' own Laserdisc format. The only thing Sony contributed was the error correction method.

"Can I laugh now really hard now?"

Everytime I read yours posts now I laugh really hard now, because you're now claim to not be a sony fanboy now although you obviously now are a sony worshiper now.

"Sony created this format in the late 70s called Compact Disc"

They did? I don't think so...James Russell created it....in the very early 70's...Sony and Phillips invested in the technology in the late 70's.

http://inventors.about.c...invent/iow/russell.html

why, wouldnt it make more sence to just buy a ps3 instead.

so the blow-me ray players have the same GUI than the PSP's and the PS3's?

Did all the sit out suck places like disappear so everyone decided to go to betanews and complain?

Like a moth to a flame so are the days of the anti-sonyiets.

A. HD-DVD players were cheaper but Toshiba also posted a $1 BILLION DOLLAR LOSS because of it. Maybe Sony didn't want to do the same. Those greedy bas****s at Sony!

B. Sony's gaming and television industries are posting losses. It shouldn't be surprising that the price of the PS3 is the same as this player then when it appears to be a better value. Again those greedy bas****s at Sony are trying to take your money!

C. As this article has already said there are players cheaper than $300.00. If you are looking for cheap maybe you could by from another company. Oh-my that is such an original idea. Again those greedy bas****s are Sony are trying to take your money!

D. Is BD-Live such a critical feature that the world will fall into apocalyptic hell if it's not there. Oh my! what are we going to do? Let's freak out for months on end until Sony gets us the new firmware. How about watch the frikin movie. You know the reason you bought/rented the disc. Seriously there aren't that many discs out there using this feature anyway and streaming videos of actors/movie studios of how they made the movie/ad for their next bugger picking flick really doesn't entice me at all. Same thing with PIP or bonus view. Watching the actor/director pick their buggers while describing the feature film isn't any better than just listening to them pick their buggers while describing the feature film. Again those greedy bas****s at Sony are trying to take your money and fun time away by not having useless features.

You are on blu-ray.com aren't you?

Because only one of those idiots would post what you did...

Why would someone buy a regular blu-ray player when you can buy a ps3 for $400 dollars

There is a lot more on the ps3 why is a standalone the same price?

Even if you don't play games the ps3 doubles as a media center and a blu-ray player or you know you could just spend $400 on a player that just plays movies which makes absolutely no sense whatsoever, but you know whatever keeps you believing Sony is doing something smart...

The problem also lies where the players that cannot be upgraded (and sell for less) there is no proof that 2.0 is the last revision to the profile its already shown that some blu-ray movies on older players are having issues...

A. I actually don't know the facts and don't feel like researching, but didn't they eat that loss when they scrapped HDDVD?

B. This just doesn't make any sense...you're really reaching.

C. Don't forget those "cheap" BD players don't and can't support the new BD spec...they're basically selling you a broken product for $300...you consider that "cheap"? I can get an up-converting DVD player that will look almost as good for $30...and it will be fully functional!

D. The classic fanboy comment..."hey, who cares if this feature doesn't work, who needs it anyway"...LOL I always love reading those. :)

Hey...who cares about a few extra pixels that you can't see unless you sit 2 feet away from your 60" screen?! Will the world fall into apocalyptic hell if you can't see those few extra pixels?! How about watching the freaking movie on an upconverted DVD and saving yourself $500?? You probably won't even see the difference! Unless ofcourse, you sit so close to the TV you'll be blind by the time the movie is over.

Let's try take 2 on this one.

A) See this site. http://www.reuters.com/a...ews/idUST28076020080313

B) It makes perfect sense. It costs more to manufacture the PS3 than the $400.00 it sells for hence they are loosing money on each one sold. See this site. http://videogames.yahoo....lion-on-the-ps3/1223467

C. Go by if DVD player if you can't tell the difference. Whatever floats your boat. There are some people who can't tell the difference between a badly compress MP3 player and a CD but I can. Yes I can tell the difference between and upscaled DVD and a BD movie. You may not be able pinpoint every frikin pixle on the screen but a BD has 6x times the resolution of a DVD movie. That's noticeable. I don't even have to say I'm playing a Blu-ray and other non-technical people (people that pay best buy to setup their PC) notice how sharp the image looks.

D. I'm not a fanboy, just a little irritated with some of the people here and the dumb things they say. I swear as soon as an article posts about say the PSP you see 6 posts about how they hat the analog nub thingie even though it has nothing to do with gaming.

Yes I think that both of these features are really pointless and apparently so does a lot of people because they visit these things called theaters and they play movies without on-screen menus, or second audio languages, or commentaries, or live streaming of web videos. They even make you turn off your cell phone! Oh you like pay $8.00 for one viewing of this only and the popcorn costs like $20.00. These alien people watch movies to guess what? Watch the movie. They don't really care believe it or not.

Here's a newsflash people who buy their movies like the extra features it gives you more bang for your buck.

If they weren't important to a majority of people they wouldn't be included.

Yes and no. They add value to the movie. In some cases they increase the price of the movie too like when they sell 1 and 2 disc versions of the movie. There must be a demand for featureless movies if they sell 1 disc versions.

Do I see Suzie at Wal-Mart looking at a disc and saying "Darn it doesn't have BD-Live!", and then throwing it back in the bin. Heck No!

All of the features of DVD work in BD spec 1.0 plus my personal favorite feature the on-screen menu. Bonus view someone might care about but every player now sold is BD 1.1 so that's not much of an issue anyway. BD-Live? Now you asking the user to hook up the internet to their player. Forget it, that's just to complicated.

why do you post on here? The people or person that posts all over the place on here don't care about logic...they just want to rant and troll.

like terminalx\hollywood\joey deacon\hocuspokus

http://hollywoodshddvdblog.blogspot.com/

(yeah this poor fellow really is that pathetic)

"Is BD-Live such a critical feature that the world will fall into apocalyptic hell"

You should be able to tell us with such a nick. You must be in beta around 10k years!

Is this really 'our' Hollywood? :)

why do people troll on here? The people or person that posts all over the place on here don't care about logic...they just want to rant and troll

blahblahblah

What you just did, yeah that's trolling. What I did was voice my opinion - tell me why would you pay more for something that does less? what is the benefit?

No one has answered this either...

ROFL! I am the same as hollywood, thats farking adorable...

So the blog is fake but you know keep trying to troll fatty...

Zaine? Is that you did you get tired of following & making fun of pc_tool?

I don't know what is more pathetic the fact you searched for that blog or the fact its fake and either you or your one of many userids did.

Don't let insanity keep you down, say hi to the asshats at blu-ray.com. Are you by chance one of those posters there that is advising people to boycott SE too?

Dave,
My humble apologies with my first reply!
Should have read the thread in its entirety first.
Yup, your vociferous verbiage has given you away!
Dummy.

Terminalx,
You raise some serious questions here.
Out of respect let's address them in order.
Why do people troll here, it's a simple answer, of which you are well aware, and guilty of "attacking the man", and not the post.
It seems to me you are having a serious go at Zriding, let me disabuse you of this notion that Zaine is responsible for many observations (geez, I miss his link to the fat controller).
Fool, as you troll so shall you indulge your own hubris.
As previously articulated by said "Trolls", the issue with many here (of which you are one), ya contribute nuthin', make snide comments, do not address the headline, would rather attack than consider, and so it goes. Would you like a brief sample of your posts.
Frankly (do you understand that term), this place is a mecca (yep, ya can now report me 'cos I used the term "Mecca"), for fookwads.
And, as far as your hero PC_Tool goes, I still do not know why here is not in EYRAQ killin' an maimin' in the name of his LORD, GWB!!
Perhaps, you have the answer for this.
Zaine, please post that Ron Jeremy link again, it's a hoot.

As you so eloquently put and contradicted yourself in the same point.

You spent your entire post flaming me adding nothing to why the blu-ray player is the cost of the ps3.

As you also may have not realized you either know Zaine in some respect or have some serious psychological issues as you refer to PC_TOOL the same way you do when you post under your other name.

My praise for pc_tool, I was simply stating that Zaine has an unhealthy obsession with him as he created a website for a FICTIONAL person that he knows from a message board.

Keep posting your "intelligent" posts though...

Insanity is only a strait jacket away...

Terminalcase,
Read my intro very carefully, in no manner shape or form did I indicate I was going to do anything other than address your observations.
As to knowing/being Zaine, let me disabuse you of this notion, I have nothing in common (prima facie) whatsoever with him, other than his link. Have never corresponded, and would not even bother.
Yes, I do post here under another name on tech related issues.
What angers me is the vitriol, venom and downright abuse you and your ilk direct to other posters'.
Finally fool, let us address my sanity! I am quite comfortable in my madness, indeed I like to think my little eccentricities are endearing (yep self delusional as well, ha beat you to it), can you say the same?

apparently you have to supply your own ext storage for teh bd live as well
http://www.docs.sony.com/release/BDPS350_flyer.pdf

Glad to see, now that they killed off HD-DVD, that they've worked to bring that price down. F-U Sony. (Btw, I dont really care for HD-DVD, but I really hate Sony)

Blu-Ray? The name rings a bell...

What does the fact this Blueray player not going down in price tell me?

Well first the original $600-$500 price for Playstation 3 was actually really good. It tells me you were pretty much getting a Playstation for $100-$200 and a Blueray player for $400

It also tells me Selling a Playstation 3 at anything below the cost of the Blueray player means a lost not only on the development of Playstation console but also the cost of the Blueray player.

Tells me Sony has some huge issues to resolved and they need to drop the price and lock everyone in before somebody finds something better and CHEAPER then Blueray.

DUH!!! Sony wants to sell PS3...not a stand alone box. There is no reason, why thy could not reduce the price, just on the stand alone player. Once they have a decent market share with the Playstation, then the price will come down. Just my 2cents (I have the PS3, so hush it).

Actually, Sony wants to sell stand-alone players as well. There are plenty of people who own DVD players and no game consoles, it's equally reasonable to predict there will be a need for Blu-Ray players that are not PS3 systems.

As for the price reduction, from what I've gathered, the Blu-Ray system itself is driving up the price of the PS3, so why would a standalone Blu-Ray player, using the same technology, not be priced around the same?

Once they have a decent marketshare, prices will come down? They should be aggresively pricing the units to begin with in an attempt to sell as many as possible to gain the marketshare.

And what does your owning a PS3 have to do with any of what you had said?

definately not biting until there are reasonably priced players and BD-Live is standard on all. I don't want added features coming later.

"Sony's latest entry-level Blu-ray player might be sleeker than its predecessor, but pricing hasn't come down any."

Is anyone surprised? We all know Sony and we all know even after several years, they will not drop one red cent from the price. Anyone remember their MinDisc players? For several years they were trying to sell them for ~$600 in North America. This was during the Discman era by the way and well before the advent of MP3 players. I think Future Shop was one of the only places stupid enough to carry their overpriced MiniDisc players back then. I remember going in the store one day and looking at one and in typical Future Shop fashion, one of their reps immediately pounced on me. So I asked him if he knows how many of them they sold that month. He said he wasn't sure, but he doubted they sold any that month or the previous month. My point here is.. Sony will refuse to drop BD prices for a very long time. They have a strangle hold on the "next gen" market now, so they can keep prices high for the next decade if they so choose. I hope the Sony/BD zealots are happy. They can go spend a month's pay to buy a decent BD player and a few movies now that competition is non-existent.

Wasn't Sony the only company that made those crap players? If that is the case then the no competition was key to the price not dropping. At least time around there is other companies making bloray players. One can hope this will speed things along.

I heard someone say that the way these players were built they feel like they should be $20 players. Crap can't remember where I saw that. If I find it'll include the info.

Ah here it is

http://www.engadget.com/...nd-other-hd-frivolities/

"Wasn't Sony the only company that made those crap players? If that is the case then the no competition was key to the price not dropping."

No actually, there were a couple of other companies making MiniDisc players at the time, but I can't remember who they were.. I think JVC may have been one of them, but don't quote me on that. Either way, the non-Sony players were only slightly cheaper, presumably because of massive royalties to Sony or simple price fixing orders from Sony.

Even $ony is getting into the digital download of movies and tv shows on the POS3 so even they know that Bloray is a bust.

I just hope MS doesn't come out with an Xbox with a Bloray, I actually would rather them come out with one with HD-DVD technology built in and just say something to the effect that their doing this as a low cost way to give devs a chance to make bigger games for the 360. They should have added HD-DVD to 360s (instead of that stupid addon) as soon as they heard $ony was adding blorays to the POS3 but they screwed up on that. To me it looks like MS knows how to get the devs and the good games on the 360 but they don't know how to play the game with the hardware which is their downfall.

WOW!!!
I can't wait to get one.. oh wait another bloray product thats over priced (almost as if they are trying to shove the POS3 into the acceptable price range)

Hold me back. LOL!

Sony exec heard just before the release: "If we can just release a new dedicated Blu-Ray player for almost the same cost as a full PS3 platform with an integrated Blu-Ray player we will have a winner."

LOL!

Still no compelling reason to buy.

Sony still hasn't figured out that its not additional bells and whistles that will stimulate sales, but a kinder price of entry and lower consumable costs commensurate to current upscaled DVDs that are good enough for the mass public.

LOL Its so TRUE!!!!