RSSSony to add 160 GB option for PS3, new high-color screen for PSP
By Scott M. Fulton, III | Published August 20, 2008, 3:41 PM
In a series of announcements this afternoon, Sony says its preparing to distribute a wide array of new gaming system features well for the holiday season, including a new hard disk capacity for its upper-tier PlayStation 3.
As of last February, Sony was bundling its $499, upper-tier PlayStation 3 as an 80 GB console with Metal Gear Solid 4 and a DualShock 3 controller. Then last month, the new CEO of Sony Computer Entertainment America announced an 80 GB Core package for $399 in lieu of an actual price cut.
So there was indeed another shoe, perched precariously over the precipice. Today, it has officially dropped, as Sony is gearing up to unveil its highest capacity PS3 to date, with 160 GB on the disk, 256 MB of system RAM plus 256 MB of GDDR3 for graphics, HDMI, and Wi-Fi. The upper-tier will be bundled with the new Sony game Uncharted: Drake's Fortune and a DualShock 3 controller.
Come November, this will be the new $499 system, maintaining Sony's pattern of two principal bundles. Its introduction confirms rumors that have been swirling around the gaming community since last October.
Gaming enthusiasts have been preparing for clues as to the contents of this PS3 buildout, to determine whether the new system will be compatible with older PlayStation 2 games, as some of the first PS3s actually were. In this case, some are saying the presence of two USB 2.0 sockets but the absence of a flash memory port suggests that this console may actually be a beefed-up version of what Sony had been selling as its lower-tier 40 GB model last year. That model was not compatible with PS2 games.
One of the new accessories Sony is telling gamers to expect this holiday season is a wireless keypad addition to the DualShock 3 controller -- something that can seamlessly (somehow) socket itself to the side of the unit. Though without providing any advance pictures, Sony is saying that the keyboard element of this keypad can double as a touch-sensitive pad with the flip of a switch, which implies that this device may not have moving keys in the traditional sense, but rather sensitive regions that can behave as keys. That may lead developers to wonder whether those regions are actually programmable -- that is, whether exclusive templates could be distributed for specific games that support the keypad.
Also this afternoon, Sony announced that on October 14 in the US, its venerable PlayStation Portable will be updated with a new glare-resistant display with a higher color gamut than the current model.
Reporters got their first peek at the model PSP-3000 earlier this afternoon at a Sony press conference in Leipzig, Germany, though official photos have not yet been released. The company says this afternoon it doesn't look substantially different than the current PSP-2000 model, which was only recently slimmed down, although its initial rollout will evidently be limited to a "Mystic Silver" finish. However, the new model adds a built-in microphone, which Sony is explicitly saying will enhance its capability to serve as a vehicle for Skype calls.
The new PSP will be rolled out first as a bundle-only promotion on October 14. That bundle will feature a 4 GB memory stick, an entertainment package which features a new edition of the popular game series Ratchet & Clank, and a UMD version of the movie National Treasure 2: Book of Secrets.
here's an idea Sony sell the PS3 with no hard drive.
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|PSP screen looks great now. Article didn't mention a bigger screen. PSP needs a little updating somehow. Maybe a 2.35:1 screen!! Cool.
Seems a little stale.
http://afewtips.com
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|LMAO
Right, that's the nostalgia trip done.
Just like old times.
Sadly for the PS3/Blu-ray shill/fanboy/drone element HD DVD has gone & the laughably pi$$-poor Blu-ray performance can no longer be blamed on all the BS they used to spout about how people were confused and just waiting on a decision and a single format winner etc etc.
You can't hide behind HD DVD anymore guys.
Face it, Blu-ray has bombed. Badly.
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|lets see where to start....
fewt: The Console costs too much? the market says so?...well thats funny....as the PS3 is outselling the "cheaper" 360 worldwide...hot damn...it seems like YOU say its too expensive but the market begs to differ...
and WTF are you talking about PS3 games that won't work on this "new" system??...its the EXACT same system with a bigger HDD...nothing has changed at all lol...its got the EXACT same specs as all the other systems on the market....just a bigger HDD, and like someone else said...the PS3 has ALWAYS allowed the upgrading of HDD's with ANY 2.5" SATA drive without voiding your warranty...its a brilliant feature the MS really missed the boat on...
terminalx: fail as well...Sony certainly does warn you that the new 40GB PS3 DOES NOT play PS2 games.... a quick google search and bam.... http://www.ps3center.net...Images/40gb%20ps3/3.jpg
Hocus: So the PS3 has hardly any RAM...yet has the SAME ammount of RAM as the xbox 360...BRILLIANT argument on your part my friend...and your argument of the games being so far off is getting stale...Uncharted and MGS4...better looking than anything offered on the 360...Resistance 2 out in a month...Little Big Planet is going to rock...Killzone 2 has already shown that it will be the best looking console game to date when it releases next feb....
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|Yeah, hate to break it to you but its not advertised that way...
It is too expensive when the core goes on sale for $200 in September lets see what happens, maybe nothing but lets wait...could be interesting.
If MS hadn't botched up the quality I think it would have been a different story plus xbox360 has been in short stock in most places as people are waiting for the Jasper chipset which is supposed to correct the rrod for good. We'll see though...
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|the PS3 was never ADVERTISED as having BC either...Sony never released any adds touting that ability...sure at press conferences and stuff it was stated that BC existed...but they were not touting it in TV and print adds...show me an add where they ever advertised the PS3 differently...
and about the core...what do those owners do when the "HDD required" games start coming for the 360? whoops...out of luck....
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|You seem incapable of imagining anyone might see this in terms of anything other than the usual pointless & tedious PS3 v XBox 360 v Wii argument.
"Brilliant argument". Not.
FFS that's just absurd & ridiculous.
Look, I couldn't give a flying f*ck if the XBox 360 has an equally tiny amount of RAM.
I don't have an XBox 360 (or a Wii or a PS3 for that matter) but some of my friends & family do.
You (notably) completely ignore the facts regarding the ancient Nvidia 7900GS origins of the PS3s hardware.
You're also fooling no-one (except maybe yourself) re the PS3s pathetic game library.
You talk as if I don't know more than a few people with PS3s
(and who have been mightily disappointed by it as a game console).
It's a fact, they ended up burning their game console lead in a failed attempt to try and establish a new video format to replace DVD.
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|so you state you don't care about the 360 or Wii...yet bash the PS3 for apparently no reason...Sony Hater...thats cool with me...i don't ignore the facts regarding the "ancient" PS3 Hardware known as the RSX...but you also ignore the facts regarding the cell processor...the cell and the RSX were specifically designed to work in tandem...the SPU's of the cell are designed so that a lot of the graphics processing load can be unloaded to the CPU...you also ignore the fact that the PS3's GPU and its ancient technology and tiny amount of RAM is not just your ordinary run of the mill RAM, but is much faster XDR memory that more than makes up for what some might consider a small amount...
you also speak of this ancient 7900...but compared to what? the PC crowd? you say you don't care about the 360...but is that what you are comparing the RSX to?...do you not remember the GPU's that were used in the PS2 and xbox?...i mean lets be real...the reality synthesizer the PS2, and the xbox gpu was trumped by most onboard video solutions of the day...console gaming is a very different beast than PC gaming...on PC's the system architecture is so radically different that A LOT more is needed on the resource front...if Crysis was not such a horribly coded piece of software im positive both the 360 and PS3 could run it smoothly in HD resolutions with their "tiny" 512MB of RAM and the PS3's ancient 7900...but i'd love to see you try to run that on a PC with 256MB of system RAM and a 256MB 7900....maybe 5fps on 800x640 resolution?? your very arguments display you lack of knowledge of how gaming works...
look im not arguing the PS3's hardware shortcomings...i don't think 512MB of memory is enough for either the PS3 or the 360 to do what the developers want...and we can argue the merits of unified vs non-unified memory architectures till the cows come home and nobody will agree...
and there is NOTHING wrong with the PS3's library...what is so spectacular about the 360's library when compared to the PS3's??...they share all the multiplat titles...the 360 has what?...Gears and Halo??...please...remember that the 360 was out for almost a year before its first good game was released (Gears)...and i think Resistance, Uncharted, MGS4, Ratchet and Clank, and Gran Turismo is a pretty good exclusives list...
and your nonsense about the format war..lets be real...you guys spouted for months about how HD-DVD was going to beat Blu-ray and this and that...and you turned out wrong...you will also be wrong aout BD surpassing DVD...because it WILL happen...BD sales are up...DVD sales are down....its not only going to happen...its happening as we speak....your previous predictions about the console war have been SO wrong its laughable...why should anyone believe you now?
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|You can add a hdd to the core...so no not out of luck, for someone who claims they owned a xbox360 in the past you sure have no clue about its hardware.
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|here is the difference...you have to buy MS's overprice proprietary HDD...while Sony was so nice to allow me to use ANY 2.5" SATA drive without voiding my warranty...i think MS is charging $180 for their 120GB HDD...while i can pick up a 320GB for my PS3 for $100...sounds good to me...
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|"and about the core...what do those owners do when the "HDD required" games start coming for the 360? whoops...out of luck...."
Your comment has NOTHING to do with price you state they are out of luck.
I do agree it is pricy but they do have options.
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|Because blu-ray does not do anything different then a regular dvd.
Its not like going from VHS to DVD
Its not a must have item
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|it does A LOT different...it allows 1920x1080 resolutions with uncompressed 7.1 channel HD audio...thats A LOT for me...
DVD was not a must have item either, just like VCD or laserdisc...
my facts still hold true...BD sales are up...DVD sales are down...DVD took 7 years to catch VHS...BD is on its way right now...
you guys spout crap about how BD is dead and will never catch DVD yet have ZERO proof to back up your claims...we are supposed to believe you because YOU say so?...come on...
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|Looking at the spec sheet vs this post I stand corrected. I didn't realize that the PS3 already had DDR3 memory, and WIFI built in. The article sensationalizes and implies that the base specs changed.
I don't care about disk space.
I'm just not on the ball lately.
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|To be honest, the PS3 doesn't suck.
It's the only bluray player worth more than $50.
Yes, $400 is still expensive though.
The library for the PS3 sucks, unless you like first person shooter types.
That said, the 360 library is so good that I didn't bother to get one.
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|haha...
Hate to break it to you, but MS does not advertise it that way....
see two can play that idiotic game...
MS does not inform people that there are already games on the market that require a HDD...and that they are releasing an update to allow games to install to the HDD (ala the PS3) to allow for better performance...sucks when you consider that you THINK you are saving money by buying the core...only to find out that to get you will need to spend another $180 to get a HDD....when the PS3 comes with one on ALL models...
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|Oh ffs get over it.
No-one cares about the audio improvements either high def format brought.
The mass-market gets 2 cheapo satellite speakers & a small cheap centre with the pro-logic TV and are talked into believing they have surround sound.
No-one (in the true a/v mass-market) is in the least bit interested in shelling out for the sort of receiver & speakers necessary.
BTW DVD sales are only moving marginally.
The whole complaint about DVD (from an industry perspective) is not that they are not profitable nor are they poor sellers, it is that margins are small.
That's what you get in a mature market.
Most people refuse to buy at launch prices, why would they, they'll be 50% down in a month or 2?
You're also quite wrong to claim there is no evidence Blu-ray sales are stalled & DVD is doing reasonably well.
Go look at the Nielson sales data.
$125 million a week (DVD) v under $7 million a week (Blu-ray).....and on one good week Blu-ray peaked at $12 million.
In short Blu-ray sales this year have been very poor, ie pretty flat.
This week alone falling 26.88%
http://www.engadgethd.com/page/3/
.....and this on the most cherry-picked stat possible (the top best selling 20 in each catagory).
The only people full of "crap" are the PS3 fanboys convinced that the game console means a thing in the real mass-market @ $400.
Wake up.
Blu-ray was the really stupid choice which guaranteed high def movie discs would not go mainstream.
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|You must be crazy because you keep seeing imaginary items or replying to the wrong person.
VCD and laserdisc = failed
Yeah, that doesn't change the movie or add any benefit, sure it looks nice and sounds better, doesn't mean I wanna pay $400 for that experience and the vast majority don't seem to care either.
Maybe when its cheaper people might move to it but again its not a must have item
DVD was because it changed how you could watch movies
- skip entire chapters with a button
- fast forward the movie instantly
- zoom into the movie
- no tape break
- better picture quality
To get the full benefits of blu-ray you need to spend thousands of dollars to do so
The average person has between a 27"-32" TV no bigger and will not see that much of a difference compared with an upscaled dvd. There is some but most people will not care. They will care that it costs 2-3 times as much to get a slightly better picture and sound for their smaller tv set.
When blu-ray can put a full season on one dvd and still deliver a quality product then more people might care.
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|psst your link not so good
Here :D
http://www.engadgethd.co...or-week-ending-august-1/
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|"look im not arguing the PS3's hardware shortcomings"
- Pull the other one, it's got balls on.
"and there is NOTHING wrong with the PS3's library"
- Except it is a source of huge disappointment to anyone buying one for any actual gaming.
"you guys spouted for months about how HD-DVD was going to beat Blu-ray and this and that...and you turned out wrong"
- Actually if you read the interviews at the time we were right.
All the HD DVD people set off for CES 2008 'knowing' that Warner were all set to sign for HD DVD.
The sack of sh!t in the room (Fox) probably only went into negotiations & along with things as a spoiler.
When it became clear they had no intention of s***ing this put an end to Disney considering going neutral and in turn this pursuaded Warner that HD DVD could never actually 'win'. No matter what happened several members on the Blu-ray side would stick with Blu-ray, no matter what.
So Warner decided to take the sack of cash on offer in the hope it would force the issue and as, at least, some compensation for the distinct chance that high def on disc would never go mainstream.
As it has turned out Blu-ray has indeed failed to break into the mainstream.
We're approaching the 3rd year in and there is zero sign of a take-off in the mass-market.
There is even less sign of the sub $100 players which HD DVD taught us are necessary for a degree of mass-market interest.
Face it, Blu-ray is doing nothing but staying a game console format.
Just as UMD is to PSP.
Even the PC side of things has stalled out on the absurd pricing for burners & blank media.
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|Thanks. ;)
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|These games you speak of that require the hdd are?
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|It costs 50 bucks for a 20 Gb hdd -
The 60 Gb coming out in Oct is rumored to be $100 still its expensive but not everyone requires a hdd either. If you think you will need one you buy one with a hdd, not too difficult there...
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|gosh you're so wrong its crazy...
it has not been a disappointment to me in the gaming department...Madden 09, NCAA 09, MLB 08:The Show (PS3 exclusive btw), Uncharted, Unreal III, Resistance Fall of Man, GT5:P, Grid, Fifa 08, Fight Night R3, just some of the games i own and love...yeah lots are multiplat, but to say the PS3 library sucks is to say that the 360 library sucks too....
i don't care if you THOUGHT you were right about the format war...turns out you were flat out wrong...end of story...you guys proclaimed BD dead so many times and were wrong its hilarious...
as far as mass market take off it had to beat HD-DVD first...so really were only like 1 1/2 years into that....
i just don't see how anyone with intelligence can write off a format like BD and use DVD as an example...considering it took DVD 7 years just to catch VHS...how can you even sit here now, just a few years in and make claims...and we all know how accurate your past claims regarding the format wars were :::shakes head:::
you know what those $100 HD-DVD players REALLY proved? its that having a firesale to try and save your dead format is not a good business move...thats all that proved...i loved when people were calling it a firesale at the time everyone said "no its not a firesale, its just being consumer friendly blah blah blah..." no it was a damn firesale and it failed...BADLY...
you also talk about the price of this stuff...where were you guys when flash media came around...or when DVD was launched...that stuff was EXPENSIVE!!...it was not too long ago when we were paying $1 per gig for HDD space, and forget RAM...holy hell...technology takes TIME to come down in price...and now i can score 2.5" 320GB SATA drives for less than $100...and forget the prices on 3.5" IDE drives DIRT CHEAP....flash memory?? just 2 or 3 years ago you wouldnt DREAM of affording a 4GB flash drive...but now thy are like $30!...in time people...in time...
DVD was launched back in like late 96 or early 97 and didn't hit the "mainstream" until the release of the PS2 in 2000!!! the PS2 was my first DVD player as was the same with most of my friends...
oh and BTW...during the first 6 months of this year...Blu-ray sales were up 300% from the same time last year...pretty good if you ask me...
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|$50 is ABSURD for a 20GB or $100 for a 60GB HDD...considering you can go up to 320 for $100 on the PS3...
oh and the games...Final Fantasy XI for one...i think there are a couple of others too...but the list will grow im sure...
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|FYI.... by 2011 ALL movies will come out on BD.
DVD will be done with.
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|I have a 32" HDTV that is 1080p... There is a big difference between an upscaled dvd and BD.
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|Agreed... there is nothing wrong with the PS3 library. It's actually really good.
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|I have to say that Ninja Gaiden Sigma for PS3 is AWESOME.
http://www.gamespot.com/...agaidensigma/index.html
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|"it has not been a disappointment to me in the gaming department"
- Yadda yadda yadda.
Well good for you.
You must be one of the few (and completely blinkered about this).
But seriously, who really expected the fanboys to publicly claim different?
"to say the PS3 library sucks is to say that the 360 library sucks too."
- B*llocks, don't be so silly.
The XBox 360 game library is at least 3 times the size of the PS3s.
You're fooling only yourself with that nonsense.
"i don't care if you THOUGHT you were right about the format war...turns out you were flat out wrong...end of story."
- Er, no.
The "end of story" would be when Blu-ray replaces DVD and becomes 'the next DVD'.
But of course we know that's not going to happen.
For a start the market itself is now so fractured that Blu-ray simply cannot become 'the next DVD'.
HD DVD could have (by simply morphing into 'DVD with HD DVD' via the combo disc & the Twin disc); thus leaving no-one behind.
Unfortunately for Blu-ray the DVD Forum own everything DVD and the BDA can go f*ck themselves if they think they are getting their hands on DVD.
Which means, no Blu-ray player no sharing movies or taking a film round to family & friends.
(btw most grown-ups don't have - and will never have - a PS3)
Why would the DVD Forum hand all their valuables over to the minute pygmy upstart?
i just don't see how anyone with intelligence can write off a format like BD and use DVD as an example
-- Perhaps you are (unwittingly) saying more about yourself than you realise.
Ignoring all the (enormous) market changes that make the DVD history a very poor indicator of current expectations, trends & behaviour is pretty typical of you guys tho.
you know what those $100 HD-DVD players REALLY proved?
- Yeah.
That people will get interested when prices are that low in a market filled with $100 upscaling DVD players.
....are you seriously going to try and pretend that if HD DVD could not do it with a 450 title catalogue and $100 players including 7, 8 or 10 freebie discs than Blu-ray is going to with one $400 player (doesn't everyone claim the PS3 is the only player worth buying?) and a catalogue of, what, now 550 or 600, usually expensive, titles?!
Wake up.
You still completely ignore the fact that surveys repeatedly show people saying that the difference Blu-ray offers (on a 32" - 50" HD TV) is just not worth it compared to upscaled DVD.
Just as your claims about high def audio are meaningless to most.
"you also talk about the price of this stuff...where were you guys when flash media came around...or when DVD was launched...that stuff was EXPENSIVE!!
- .....and once again this is completely & utterly irrelevant to the BDA's attempt to establish a replacement for DVD in the current marketplace.
"oh and BTW...during the first 6 months of this year...Blu-ray sales were up 300% from the same time last year...pretty good if you ask me..."
- S'funny that the Neilson weekly sales numbers don't show this.
Neilson shows a poor flat year of sales with weekly Blu-ray sales @ approx $8 - 9 million sales per week verses an average of $120 - $140 million in DVD sales.
Not even 1% of the total market.
Considering how many PS3s there are out there that's sh!te - even the Batman releases didn't produce a surge of sales worth the name.
(cos even that stat is a rigged on intended to inflate the appearance of Blu-ray's performance - it only compares the spend on the top 20 titles in each format, not the total spend in each total market)
Go look them up, EngadgetHD have been posting them up all year.
Still, if you want to delude yourself that Blu-ray is on the verge of any serious mass adoption you go ahead.
But you'll have to excuse the rest of us if we laugh our legs off at the obvious & utter absurdity of your claims.
The truth the BDA and the fanclub can't bear to face is that the public don't care.
All that expense and effort was for nothing.
The public will stick with DVD and better upscaling & upconversion is what they will buy.
Along with DVRs, HD TV services & increasingly downloads.
Even Sony themselves have launched 2 new download services
(1 for PS3 & 1 for the Bravia owners).
This is a sure sign that even they are starting to work it out & hedge their bets.....which this early on is hardly good news for Blu-ray.
Like I said, the real lesson of this format war has been that both sides ended up deeply disapponted at the publics total lack of interest in disc based high def.
At least the HD DVD owners got a decent selection of classic high def movies to choose from and all at ridiculously minute prices.
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|LMAO
You guys are so deluded.
The industry's problem with DVD is that they make too much money on it but at tiny margins.
Not one of them is going to say goodbuye to a format that sees weekly sales (in the USA alone) of $120 - $140 million compared to a new niche format that struggles to make $8 million in sales per week (and this despite all of Blu-ray's new releases being @ top $ prices).
Wake up.
Go read the Neilson numbers.
.....but interesting mindset & unintentional admission.
Even you guys know that the only way Blu-ray can 'win' is by outrageously rigging the market.
Figures.
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|Ninja Gaiden 2 was even better :D
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|You apparently have difficulty with words and their meaning, are you the average consumer?
No, you are not so let me rephrase THE AVERAGE consumer does not see any difference on a smaller tv.
I can see a difference on my 32" but my parents, friends and neighbors don't really see the big deal, sure it looks nice but tell them the price. A regular dvd upscaled will fit their needs just fine.
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|Yeah, thats the only game I am aware of and it required a HDD for the ps2 as well, guess how Sony handled that one?
I know you bleed Sony for whatever reason but if they want a hdd they will buy it with the system if they want it later they'll buy it later, again not everyone will need a hdd.
Yes, its overpriced but thats just the way it is, that hdd that you are putting in aftermarket does Sony cover the ps3 repair if it were to damage it? I am curious...It says on it it doesn't void the warranty to swap it out but doesn't say anything about if the hdd were to damage the ps3
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|That is the best so far. What a load of crap. DVD is going nowhere soon or long term.
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|My new HD format of choice is MKV files.
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|Mortal Kombat Video?
hah!
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|Will we have flying cars then too?
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|If the DDR3 memory is anything like the PC DDR3 memory than that is not anything to tout.(I'm not sure if it is or not) The PC DDR3 granted has more bandwidth, but the latency is through the roof offsetting any benefits of DDR3 over DDR2.
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|yes it does...idk how a HDD would damage your PS3 but if it did they would cover it...
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|You got it. Very good.
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|I think I'll go check out FINISH-HIM.mkv
;-)
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|sony has done the amazingly impossible, turning their gaming division from the one most respected to the point of being feared to one that is making itself more irrelevant day by day. great job sony in gambling its entire gaming business on an inferior high def format and losing BIG because the blu ray is making every console priced way too high.
and sony fanboys, don't give me that arguement that in the war between hd-dvd and blu ray that blu ray won because its still here and hd-dvd isn't. it's like saying that (domestically) the indy racing league won the american open wheel war because it's still there and champcar is not even though the league was compared to champcar as inferior as blu ray to hd-dvd even though the real winner was nascar (dvd).
kinda funny how both optical storage and american racing parallel that way, the older, less technial wins.
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|funny after reading all your nonsense....i remembered something...Sony's gaming division turned a profit in the first 1/4 of this year...funny....i guess you fail...
you're making assumptions about auto racing in which you also fail lol...to blindly lable the IRL and ChampCar as "more technical" is pretty stupid...of course it just shows you know as little about autoracing and cars in general as you do about video games and consumer electronics...
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|Sony has lost exclusive after exclusive and has almost ZERO in the RPG department, call it whatever you want but Sony screwed up big time.
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|yes...here we go...fall back to the old arguments when faced with positive information about Sony....its so funny how you guys scream "FANBOY!" when anyone says something positive about Sony...yet you're all just as bad...
Sony screwed up BIG time to the tune of outselling the 360 worldwide since launch...brilliant argument...what does that say about MS and the 360??...
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|"Sony screwed up BIG time to the tune of outselling the 360 worldwide since launch"
- In which alternate reality did this ever happen in?
The PS3 is well & truly bolted in 3rd place in the total number of units sold compared to the XBox 360 & the Wii.
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|you're English teacher deserves a medal for your reading comprehension skills...
worldwide since the launch of the PS3 it has outsold the 360...this is a simple fact...meaning that head-to-head the PS3 has sold more...if you count to date sales then yes the 360 has a lead...but that also includes an entire year on the market with no competition...but since the PS3 hit the market it has outsold the 360 worldwide...
is it that hard to understand?
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|the ps3 is outselling the 360 because people are buying it as a blu-ray player, check the games - hence why most of the games that have been exclusive and rpg market is moving to the x360 because OMG it plays games
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|1. you have no proof that that the PS3 as a BD player is true...
2. Even if it is true...the fact remains...its outselling the 360...thats all that matters lol...
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|Stop trying to spin this.
The total numbers sold show the Wii ahead, the XBox next and the PS3 in 3rd & last place.
Lately the PS3 sales have picked up for a few months.....
.....but then so have XBox sales (thanks to the recent price cuts) which have yet to show on the data.
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|"Sony's gaming division turned a profit in the first 1/4 of this year"
Lol the gaming division maybe, but the PS3 is a LONG ways away from profitability.
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|"1. you have no proof that that the PS3 as a BD player is true..."
Sure he does. Just look at the attach rates.
"2. Even if it is true...the fact remains...its outselling the 360...thats all that matters lol..."
Umm the profit is in the games...not the hardware. If you sell hardware and no games you go in the hole, which is exactly what Sony is doing.
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|If they only sell it as a blu-ray player it will kill their gaming division because NO company wants to develop that believes the game system is a media experience first.
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|Tomorrow must be $ony payday you are working overtime today.
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|Wow...Sony's gaming division turned a profit in Q1 this year? Interesting. It would seem that they've only got a few million dollars to go then.
http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3169439
For anyone who doesn't wish to follow a click thru, I'll summarize: According to industry analysts and insiders, Sony has spent more money manufacturing and selling the PS3 (which is less than 2 years old, mind you), than they made during the PS2's most profitable period.
Seems that 'profit' in Q1 is little more than a fart in a hurricane...
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|It takes a serious set of cojones to ridicule someone's reading comprehesion, when something as simple as proper grammar eludes you.
"you're English teacher deserves a medal for your reading comprehension skills..."
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|I may have bought one (160 gig unit) if it played and upscaled BOTH PS2 and PS1 games. At $500, it should have the BC feature!
Sony just cant seem to understand what gamers want anymore.
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|Wow just what i was waiting for a 120g Option for the PS3!!! SOLD! You rock Sony. How much!? ??
Man your soo out of scope with what the Consumer wants. Stop listening to what you "think" we want.
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|damn i just bought a psp for my girlfriend 3 months ago!! and the only thing I hate is the glare when playing in a car or outside!!
I have the worst luck(timing)... would of been better if a year passed before the upgrade.
my ps3 on the other hand I upgraded the HD the same day I bought the 40gig last year.
I love the ps3.. the graphics are great, I have xbox360 elite also. But i seem to play ps3 games more.
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|lol ... WTF ... Sony has nothing to offer. I can see it now, PSP-4000 (an even newer paintjob), booo!!!
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|BOOOOORING! Sony can't come up with any real "features" or selling points for the PS3, so every few months they do one of these BS upgrades to the size of the HD. It seems they have a plan to go through every single size increment known to man. They started with 20GB, then 40, 60, 80, 120, and now 160. Hmm, I wonder what they will use next? (Hint: 200 GB) It's hard to get excited over these end-of-life drives (read as: land fill material) they're using when anyone can go out and buy a 500 GB drive for $69 or less now. *snore*
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|Fundamentally it's still, at heart, a very ancient Nvidia 7900GS with hardly any RAM.
OK, so the fact that it's 100% dedicated gets a degree of better performance but even so it's all pretty aged stuff.
This is especially true as they keep rolling out the prospect of it getting really great (game wise) in the next couple of years.
By then XBox will be one whole generation on and Wii will be about to update too.
It's weird how Sony got it all so wrong.
Why on earth did they torch their game console lead to run with a video format that was so obviously always going to permanently trail DVD and end up a niche high margin product?
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|How's that HD-DVD working out for you?
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|You completely missed his point. Would you like to buy a vowel, or perhaps a clue?
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|Great, actually.
150+ high def movies for a pittance
(averaging around £5/$10 each.
I just got the Star Trek, The original Series HD DVD box set new from Amazon for £14 = less than $30.
How small an amount of Blu-ray would that have gotten you?
Do I give one that I'm not going to get the next round of infantile shallow adolescent 'blockbuster' movies?
No.
I'll just enjoy the Kubricks, the Scorses etc etc.
.....any danger of you addressing the point of my post
(re the PS3s ancient Nvidia 7900GS 'heart' & laughably tiny amount of RAM?)
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|funny how that "tiny" amount of RAM is the same amount of RAM the 360 has....
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|Er, how does the XBox 360 also having a tiny amount of RAM make the PS3's equally tiny amount of RAM ok?
Nothing to say about the PS3's ancient Nvidia 7900GS roots, eh?
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|i addressed it in another post...
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|RANT Withdrawn, nothing changes but disk space so who cares.
Sensationalism added to get the comments flowing.
/me fail
damn it
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|I think that's a bit of an extreme position to take.
The only difference I see between this model and the last is the capacity of the HD. All PS3s have the capability to replace/upgrade the capacity of the HD.
Good grief!! Apple, Microsoft, Dell, HP, pick any computer company does this all the time. And do they get sued for doing so? I think not!
Also you must have purchased a PS3 to take part of any class action suit against Sony. Considering your response on this subject matter I don't think you have anything Sony related.
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|Wrong wrong wrong...
Differences include:
2 USB ports
You DO get a rumble controller when Sony originally stated they couldn't do it because of motion control or some such nonsense
NO media card reader
NO PS2 Backwards Compatibility (all ps3 regardless of model can play psone games)
All PS3s the HDD can be upgraded
So MS takes their price down, Sony adds more things to it and keeps the price the same, makes perfect sense...
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|Not really adding much too it especially considering the features they are taking away.
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|Nintendo?
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|I'd be happy to take a picture. The last person that implied something of the sort was pwned the same way.
;-)
No, it's not extreme.
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|This is the model that I have. However, it's compatible with all PS3 games.
All I'm saying is that if they update the PS3 and break compatibility with older PS3 devices there will be WWIII.
heh
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|Im failing to see the lawsuit here, supporting ps2 games isnt really required, and I fail to see how it wouldent support all ps3 games, as it is a ps3.... WWIII is a extreme overstatement, yes there will be people mad they cannot buy backwards compatibility anymore, but you can still buy a ps2 (fully stocked at the local wally world) and most people have already bought the ps3 that can do it if it was even an interest..
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|"So MS takes their price down, Sony adds more things to it and keeps the price the same, makes perfect sense..."
Umm yeah, what exactly is Sony adding? A slightly larger HD is hardly worth e-mailing home about.
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|FAIL
One of the big selling points of the ps3 was full backwards compatibility and upscaling of older games.
The box does not say anywhere on it that there is no backwards compatibility for the ps2.
UPDATE : I stand corrected I guess it does
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|Well you get a decent game plus Pain, a wireless rumble controller and the extra space.
It definitely is not worth it...
I think its a joke that Sony is still trying to keep on charging $500 when the market has clearly said its too much for a video game system.
FYI the 360 core will be $200 in September, that will be interesting...
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|I suppose you're referring to your modest display dimensions? :)
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|"One of the big selling points of the ps3 was full backwards compatibility and upscaling of older games."
Agreed, and two of the most attractive features at one time.
It's interesting how games seem to have taken a back seat on a game system. Considering the wild success of the PlayStation 2 and the (un)reliability record of their previous consoles, one would have thought they would keep PS2 backward compatibility and enhancement of older games at the forefront with their (seemingly) very reliable PS3.
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|Agreed! Not worth it.
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|Hey yountmj, long time.
Yes originally backwards compatibility was a selling for Sony. At one point they even released a firmware update that upscaled older games... But that was a long time ago. Sony has made it clear that their strategy (for whatever the reason) is that they are dropping BC. When was the last time they've advertised the PS3 as BC? Lawsuit? Comeon people. It seams like even sonyhatefanboys know BC is no more.
Games taking a backseat. I wouldn't say backseat. Game consoles have difenitly evolved from our days of the SNES, but that's not necessarily a bad thing.
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|"all ps3 regardless of model can play psone games"
is that true? if that is the case then i would be extremely pissed off that the ps3 can play games for the psx but NOT for the ps2. that is so counter to rationally thinking business people, it makes me wonder if sony is intentionally trying to screw the ps3 up this badly.
this news that future ps3 consoles will not be ps2 backwards compatible (and in some households, this is a salient selling point) PLUS its price points PLUS its refusal to cut prices so many years after it first debuted has done the impossible and turned me off of any future ps3 consideration. good job sony. wonder how many people are like me in that sense.
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|as soon as that price drop hits, either i will buy one or i will be directing my dad to one.
its incredible to think that microsoft was going to win the high-end console wars a few years ago seeing as how much momentum sony had.
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|sorry fewt....Sony DID win the format war lol...sorry about HD-DVD
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|Actually thanks to them being better at the backroom dealing Sony & the BDA won the small squabble with HD DVD
(which the overwhelming majority of the public didn't even see.....in the same way that for as long as Blu-ray remains so heavily dependent on the PS3 game console then Blu-ray will remain invisible to the real mass-market).
That's far from actually winning the real format war - the only one which counts - which is against DVD.
Unless they start to gather mass-market acceptance (and very soon) Blu-ray is going nowhere and doing nothing more than being yet another small high margin niche product with a highly questionable & dubious future.
Winning against HD DVD was really a case of winning the minor battle but nothing like actually winning a full-scale war.
Blu-ray's future is very far from assured or certain......and only a blinkered fanboy would seriously try to claim otherwise at this stage.
LOL, indeed.
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|you are so full of crap...do you honestly believe the crap you spew from your mouth?? lol...i hope nobody else does...
i love how it was a format war until BD won...now its a small squabble...cute, really is...
and backdoor dealings? you mean like when Toshiba paid Paramount to drop Blu-ray?...HD-DVD opened that pandora's box...not Sony or the BDA...its not their fault Toshiba paid off the wrong horse...
Blu-ray sales are up (300% in fact)...DVD sales are down...thats a start...
remember it took DVD 7 years to beat out VHS...this is year 2 for Blu-ray...year 1 if you think that BD is now the only HD media on the market...
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|You know the thing about the Core or Arcade as it is called now is the fact that there is no storage device. That's practically a requirement for disc games and is a requirement to play arcade games which makes whole naming of arcade seems kind of misleading. Buying a storage device will set you back $50.00 for 512mb card, or $100.00 for 20gb (maybe they will upgrade it 60gb soon) hard drive. Both prices aren't very good value. That's the thing with Microsoft. They get you on the accessories.
$500.00 is kinda steep now but that's why they call it the high end model. I still think Sony needs to add back in BC to make it really fly with consumers.
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|I said PS3, not PS2.
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|Granted it is not much, but the Arcade actually does come with the 512mb memory card I believe...
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|heh
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|"i love how it was a format war until BD won...now its a small squabble...cute, really is..."
- No, it's merely an accurate reflection of the truth.
It was something both sides got wrong.
The truth is that the public reaction to high def on disc disappointed both sides enormously.
"and backdoor dealings? you mean like when Toshiba paid Paramount to drop Blu-ray?...HD-DVD opened that pandora's box...not Sony or the BDA...its not their fault Toshiba paid off the wrong horse..."
- Actually it was the BDA that started all of that by buying into Paramount & Warner at the start.
They actually began exclusive to HD DVD.
No-one (I know of) denied that the HD DVD side tried to counter the BDA with the Paramount deal but as has since been revealed this was hardly surprising given the way that Sony used their position as a movie studio to buy off other movie studios through pledging to fund movies etc etc (as was recently admitted re Lionsgate).
"Blu-ray sales are up (300% in fact)...DVD sales are down...thats a start..."
- B*llocks they are.
More dodgy sh!te stats from the BDA.
Stick to Nielson.
They show a very flat year so far and a pi$$-poor performance.
"remember it took DVD 7 years to beat out VHS...this is year 2 for Blu-ray...year 1 if you think that BD is now the only HD media on the market..."
- Except it's a market well used to disc media and utterly unlike the market DVD broke into.
It's also a market with several (more convenient and inexpensive) routes to high def (think 'HD on your HD TV all the time' HD TV services with a nice DVR & VOD)
The problem you Blu-ray fanboys have is that too many potential customers, when looking at the benefit Blu-ray offers, just don't see it as 'worth' the huge premium Blu-ray demands over upscaled DVD.
Not on the 32" - 50" HD TVs the majority have (which are largely 720p/1080i eary sets).
Blu-ray will never be anything more than a high margin niche product
(just as it was intended to be all along).
Blu-ray turned out to be the choice to ensure HDMs on disc failed to go mainstream, in other words, for most of us, the really dumb choice.
Well done PS3 fanboys.
(the only really amusing justice here is that it will largely be you fools that suffer the consequences)
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|Yes, its true if you go to their website it specifically states it
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|Now the amount of models of the PS3 is just getting ridiculous.
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|Looks like there's still just two, the others are discontinued.
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|Im counting the discontinued ones. :)
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