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Sun to spend $1B to acquire MySQL, will compete with Oracle, Microsoft

By Scott M. Fulton, III, BetaNews

January 16, 2008, 12:12 PM

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Will MySQL remain open...if it's "open" now?

The MySQL database is considered one of open source software's "big four" -- the "M" in "LAMP," which also includes Linux, the Apache Web server, and the PHP language. While the exact installed base of all versions of MySQL, including commercial and non-commercial editions, is perhaps impossible to accurately estimate, its phenomenal growth has been impossible to ignore.

In 2004, independent analysts were citing MySQL as having an installed base of 5 million worldwide, last year analysts cited the number 12 million. Some MySQL executives have bantered the figure 25%, with reference to its own currently estimated share of the database market.

Prior to an analysts' conference scheduled for this morning, there was no word from Sun with regards to how it intends to handle MySQL's unusual, and recently controversial, implementation of the common open source licensing agreements.

Historically, MySQL has employed dual licensing tiers, where implementers could receive and then freely distribute the DBMS themselves for no fee. But if they made any alterations to MySQL, implementers are obligated to freely share those changes not only with others to whom they distribute code, but to MySQL directly as well.

Alternately, companies could purchase a commercial implementation of MySQL for a cost-competitive rate, often only a few hundred dollars per seat.

But last August, MySQL decided to close off the source code for its commercial versions, in a move which some felt would split the DBMS' development efforts into two tiers: a conventional commercial-grade team, and an open source team who may not be guaranteed the benefits of what the commercial team dreams up. In fact, some believed, they could be withheld those benefits by design.

However, there were a few analysts who noted the possibility that MySQL's firming up of its commercial licenses could have been to make it a more attractive takeover target. The company has long been expected to file an initial public offering for stock, and some anticipated it might do so even this month.

In February 2006, MySQL CEO Mickos publicly announced his company's formal rebuffing of a takeover offer from Oracle, the offered price for which was never revealed. Then the following January, Mickos acknowledged he was preparing his company for an IPO, although those preparations were said to have extended on through the previous holidays. Now the question is basically moot.

The news for Sun added some spice to today's quarterly earnings announcement, which revealed that for its last fiscal quarter, revenues were just better than flat on the year at $3.6 billion, with gross margins just marginally higher at 48%.

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By rsx508

posted Jan 17, 2008 - 2:17 PM

Dear Sun,

Please don't f**k up MySQL in the name of marketing or Java or whatever? Please keep it open source and keep it moving forward.

Sincerely,
Average Developer Guy

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By xyzcb1

posted Jan 17, 2008 - 10:43 AM

The market like this news. Sun (JAVA) up 10%+ since the released of this news. 10%+ is a lot consider the general market is down.

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By sammyd

posted Jan 16, 2008 - 10:16 PM

this is the day mysql died...

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By Banquo

posted Jan 17, 2008 - 6:35 AM

Actually this is the day when people post foolish nonsense. MySQL will be just fine.

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By acey99

posted Jan 16, 2008 - 3:57 PM

Sad day indeed.
MySQL goes more cooperate.

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By Banquo

posted Jan 16, 2008 - 4:20 PM

Oh boo hoo...

With Sun's support behind it this can only help the program. It's not like they are going to start charging you for it.

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By NULLedge

posted Jan 16, 2008 - 5:53 PM

seriously. if anything, maybe they'll add some developers of their own to the stack or some proper open source tools for managing and monitoring dbs on the gui in java so it works the same across platforms. i really can only see good things coming out of this. right now the tools available are iffy in stability and use at best

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By billweh

posted Jan 16, 2008 - 2:54 PM

"With this acquisition, we will have done just that: positioned Sun at the center of the Web, as the definitive provider of high performance platforms for the Web economy."

OK - last time I checked - when you give something away for free- you don't make any money. That's how a lot of the dotcom companies went bust.

Is Sun giving us a hint here?

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By NULLedge

posted Jan 16, 2008 - 3:05 PM

support isn't free. MySQL offers enterprise support services for thousands of dollars, similar to Oracle, only you don't HAVE to choose them. You can opt out and still have the enterprise build of MySQL, you just wont get their advanced monitoring tools and live technical support

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By Paul Skinner

edited Jan 16, 2008 - 2:29 PM

No! Just no.
If that happens it's going to be so s***.

"All of them talk the talk and walk the walk. They understand open source. They understand innovation. They understand communities. And they understand what MySQL brings to the table."

On the other hand, however, they don't understand grammar.

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By NULLedge

posted Jan 16, 2008 - 3:10 PM

Open Office, Java, Solaris, the Ultra SPARC. Sun has contributed a ton to the open source community. Sun the company may not be everyone's favorite player, but no one can deny that they have made some cool stuff in their day which to this day is still a vital part of the enterprise world. If it increases the pace of new MySQL releases I'm all for it. I've been waiting on 5.1 to go production for what seems like an eternity.

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By Paul Skinner

posted Jan 17, 2008 - 4:18 AM

OO = minority
Java = slow and rubbish
Solaris = minority
Ultra SPARC = not used terribly much any more except in servers (could be wrong on this one).

*If* they don't make it hog resources like there's no tomorrow that should be ok, but I wouldn't count on it.

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By pitdingo2

posted Jan 17, 2008 - 7:54 AM

"Java = slow and rubbish"

you lost me there.

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By ariasc

edited Jan 17, 2008 - 8:27 PM

This is a Microsoft´s and Commercial Licensing Model Victory... :(

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By Banquo

edited Jan 17, 2008 - 6:52 AM

So because OpenOffice isn't used by as many people as Microsoft Office that makes it bad somehow? Linux and MacOS are minority systems, they must suck too going by your logic. As for Solaris, you do know that it's the leading operating system for large corporations, right? It's not a consumer desktop OS so don't try to compare them. It's mainly used for servers, datacenters, etc. Finally about Java being slow it depends on the program. If a retarded monkey writes the program it's going to be slow regardless of the language they use. I've had no trouble at all with it myself.

I fail to see how any of that means that they are going to hurt MySQL. Because we all know having a lot of money thrown at your project is such a horrible thing. I can't see anything bad coming from this. They've been very good to the open source community and given us things like the new ZFS file system, now being ported to FreeBSD, Linux, OSX, etc.

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By Paul Skinner

edited Jan 17, 2008 - 8:57 AM

I'm not saying they suck.
I'm saying Sun don't have to deal with products that have a large market share often, and when they do (in the case of Java) they've made it slow and large.

"Linux and MacOS are minority systems, they must suck too..."

I'm talking about Sun's programs; not any other company's.

I hope they do it justice, but I'm not going to put money on it.

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By Banquo

posted Jan 17, 2008 - 6:10 PM

"I'm saying Sun don't have to deal with products that have a large market share often"

Solaris

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By 9h0s7

posted Jan 17, 2008 - 10:02 AM

"I'm saying Sun don't have to deal with products that have a large market share often"

...beautiful, a composition prize should be awarded to you

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