About 160 new games are expected through March 2008

New games, for a console that's 7 years old. That's just through March.

The PS3 has barely seen half of that many games total... almost a full year since launch.

Committed to supporting it at least through 2010, also? Perhaps Sony should have just offered a Blu-ray add-on for the PS2 instead of wasting so much money on the PS3. :)

"Sony should have just offered a Blu-ray add-on for the PS2"

You mean a Blu-Ray bolt-on?

"Bolts Sold Separately"

A Ceramic White PS2 bundled with a bunch of crap is hardly a new model.The slim PS2 was a new model, to replace the 60-70% defective thick version.

Is there anyone here who didn't have a PS2 go bad on them with disc read errors?

I had more than A ps2 go bad more like aleast three all can not read disks.

I have one of the original PS 2's and have had no problems whatsoever getting it to read CD's or DVD's, even when the player is sitting on its side. I didn't know there were so many problems with the original PS 2 design.

Mine is still fine.

60-70% what a cretin you really are.

More like 1%

Its more then 1% you cant get a class action lawsuit for such a little amt. 60%-70% is probably high but the issues that plagued the first ones still continue, just look up disk read errors on google, love Sony all you want but they are far from perfect as well, as most of the parts on the ps2 were not done in house which is what I believe happened with xbox360.

You realise that 1% = 1.2Million consoles right...

Where did you come up with 1%? I'll wait while you fail to provide any proof at all. It's not as high as the original post certainly, but saying it's just 1% is ridiculous BS.

I'm saying that Hollywood's ridiculus claims are just plain silly, and that of course google will bring up reports of PS2 failures, and using 1% as an example, if it were 1%, then there would be 1.2 million faulty PS2 consoles (as 120 million have been sold).

to suggest there are 70 million faulty Playstation 2, shows what a clueless idiot Hollywood really is.

This guy tried to find out how big the problem is, and managed to scrape up a WHOLE 42 people..

http://www.zen8750.zen.co.uk/stats.htm

Only six million, nine hundred and nintyeight thousand,nine hundred and fifty eight to find then Hollywood!!

They had not sold 120 mil consoles when the class action lawsuit was started, plus the slim-lines are STILL having disk read error problems and some overheating.

You really need to think about reading ALL of the comments before you go selectively picking out what works for your warped ideas.

add this

http://www.petitiononlin...signed.cgi?ps2dre&1

http://episteme.arstechn...096756/m/9330995495/p/7

I am sure if we have all day we could come up with your 70 mil figure.

Problem is not everyone who owns a ps2 is going to come on the internet and rant about it...

The ps2 like the xbox360 is a great gaming machine (when it works) to go on and on and believe Sony is the savior of all videogame kind is pathetic.

The fact remains after the system redesign and 15 revisions later IT STILL FARKING happens, who cares if they sold 120 mil of them, as a lot of people replaced theirs because originally the Sony PS2 warranty was 90 DAYS. I have replaced mine three times all with the dreaded DRE, you may ask why I paid 3 times for the same console, because it had the games I wanted. I am sure I am not the only one who paid more then once for the console.

My PS2 that I got on the week it was released in the UK Still works perfectly fine.

LMAO! You are such a deluted fanboy. I laugh at you constantly and don't take a thing you say seriously.

PS1 and PS2 failure rate of 60 to 70 percent is accurate, it's a fact.

"I am sure if we have all day we could come up with your 70 mil figure."

Confirmed, another idiot who actually believes there are 70 million PS2s out there. Is there inbreeding here?

"The fact remains after the system redesign and 15 revisions later IT STILL FARKING happens,"

Nice try, pretending the 15 revisions are to fix the disc read error. The fact is, the revisions are to make it smaller/ligher/cheaper.

"I have replaced mine three times all with the dreaded DRE"

Then you are doing something wrong. Smokey enviroment? crappy discs? Enclosed cabinet? Operated by an idiot?

1%?? Oh really? So there was never a class action lawsuit against Sony, which they LOST? You know, because companies don't usually face class action suits with 1% failure rate. God, you Sony fanboys make me want to vomit in terror.

LOL! You crack me up every time.

"Nice try, pretending the 15 revisions are to fix the disc read error. The fact is, the revisions are to make it smaller/ligher/cheaper."

..and what happens when you make something smaller/ligher/cheaper? IT BECOMES LESS RELIABLE!

WOW you truly are a deluded fanboy, if you actually read what I posted but NO you don't you selectively read as I stated in multiple other posts I am sure you ignored, TWEAKING THE LASER made it work sometimes but still not 100%.

Even Sony half-assed admits there is a problem with the hardware on their site, it states after trying disks in multiple machines and the test machine works fine there could be a problem with the ps2 hardware.

LOL so those revisions are just to make it cheaper but never fix the problem and yet you claim its only 1%??? WTF is wrong with you?

Half of those hardware revisions were failed attempts at minor design modifications to thwart 'modders' that were either using the tray cog method on the originals, or the flip lid on the slim-lines.

They wasted money concerning themselves with who was using 'backups' rather than addressing the serious issues.

It is a rather well-documented fact that every revision of the PS2 has some type of disc read problems, as well as high potential for overheating. Mis-aligning lasers were the most common problem, directly related to manufacturing defects and incorrect settings from the factory.

Source?

I think at best you accidently added a 0 onto those figures.

I think they need to re-design the PS3 and sell it as low as the PS2.

Blu-Ray finally seems to have caught up to HD-DVD (except maybe for the interactivity features). This doesn't make Blu-Ray better than HD-DVD though. It just means that now you can watch the other half of the high definition movies on the market in either Dolby TrueHD or uncompressed PCM with virtually identical video quality to HD-DVD. The PS3 with the latest firmware update sounds like it's almost as good as the Toshiba XA2 HD-DVD player in terms of video and audio quality.

Ed Oswald,

I have to say, you without a doubt, one of the finest journalists of the modern generation. Hats off to you.

Keep up the great work.

Ed Oswald, I have to say, you without a doubt, one of the most BIASED journalists of the modern generation.

I note you failed to post the news that Paramount have been caught faking the Transformers HD DVD sales figures, yet the original news got featured article status.

http://www.deadlineholly...-big-ass-fat-stupid-lie/

I also notice you fail to mention HD DVD is about to lose a studio:

http://hddvd.highdefdige...Speculation_Mounts/1105

Don't you all feel like manipulated idiots? From now, I will refer to you all as BetaPuppets, as that's what you are, no capability to make your own decisions, merely follow what Ed and his gang of Microsoft a** kissers tell you.

LMAO!!!! You b**** every day about them posting speculation and now you are b****ing that they didn't post speculation. Sorry but an article that uses "Two rival Blu-ray studios which prefer to remain nameless tell me" is nothing but a load of BS.

spec·u·la·tion /?sp?ky??le???n/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[spek-yuh-ley-shuhn] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1. the contemplation or consideration of some subject: to engage in speculation on humanity's ultimate destiny.
2. a single instance or process of consideration.
3. a conclusion or opinion reached by such contemplation: These speculations are impossible to verify.
4. conjectural consideration of a matter; conjecture or surmise: a report based on speculation rather than facts.
5. engagement in business transactions involving considerable risk but offering the chance of large gains, esp. trading in commodities, stocks, etc., in the hope of profit from changes in the market price.
6. a speculative commercial venture or undertaking.

Fanboy n. - Joey Deacon, someone who closes their eyes while truths are buzzing around their head, someone who consistently brings topics into a conversation that have nothing to do with the topic, see also multiple personalities.

You complain when someone speculates on your poor do nothing wrong Sony, but if someone speculates on the format you do not support OMG 11ELEVENTY!!! its the truth it has to be!

Also the majority of the articles about MS are done by Scott not Ed, so you have FAILED.

Tosser...

I wish the BetaNews staff would just get rid of this hypocritical loser and all of his 8+ user names.

One single IP banned, all names taken care of.

Go back to blu-ray.com and continue to verbally masturbate each other with all of your propaganda... or have they banned you too?

I wouldn't doubt it...

How about some more "speculation":
http://www.campaignhd.com/807_State_Of_BD.html

That about covers it.

"...verbally masturbate each other "… Nice!
Very intelligent. Keep up the good work.

Hollywood__ ... Ed a$$ Kisser numero uno!

Thanks... don't mind if I do. :)

I see again that you dodge the main point that I and two others were trying to make regarding your hypocritical statements about when it's okay to post links to speculative articles and when it isn't. You seem to know all the rules regarding this, so please... enlighten us.

Keep up the good work, yourself.

Give me a break ED OSWALD. You call yourself a journalist?

You are such a hack! You ask people to not read Beta“News” if they don’t agree with what is said but that’s not really what you’re after is it? You want the controversy. You want the handful of people that disagree with you to be vocal so your MS fanboy base will reply back in full force and kiss you’re a$$ while at the same time boosting the number of comments on your stories to past the hundred mark.

You deny being biased but write about the how you cave into the MS hype (halo midnight launch); you turn Sony positive news into a negative playstation 3 article; you repeatedly put incorrect release dates on consol sales then correct them later; or you just go all out and announce a “winner” but protect yourself by writing PERSPECTIVE . You are not a journalist; you are an Opinion Columnist.

A TRUE journalist wouldn’t let their views influence their work. Your job is to report the “News” as it is without being prejudice. You will like who you like, but that shouldn’t influence your pieces.

“If you don't like BetaNews, stop reading. :)”…
Because I know you people will ask, I don’t only come here for the gaming news. There are other stuff on this site that I get use of… Besides, I have a good time engaging in discussions with the Beta”News” fanboys.

Man your so full of sh!t. Get those brown stains off your nose.

Very intelligent reply there guy…. I hopes thats somes days I cans bes smarts likes yous.

LMAO well said, and the usual MS lovers have come out to back him up....again.

ROFL @ true journalist, christ is this another of dave/steve/ben alias.

Its a farking forum for godsakes, every news person has some sort of bias.

Its simple if you don't like what betanews is reporting go elsewhere, but everyone else has a similar story

Look at Fox news, CNN, Slashdot, Cnet the list goes on and on, every single one of them holds some sort of bias.

The fact remains here is ps3 is FAILING, so what does Sony do, they downgrade the model even further offering less and remove the chip for BC. Now they are preparing to release ANOTHER ps2 and will continue to make games (160) of them.

That msg is being sent to the developers like "hey we farked up so uh we want you to continue to develop for our obsolete ps2" Even though that we have yet to get right after 15 revisions. See google for people complaining about the slim-lines.

Oh and before you go bringing up the Xbox as a failure as all the ps3 fanboys do, Nvidia stopped making the gpu for it which was one of the reasons why BC couldn't work fully on the new xbox360 and that they had to stop production on them.

All these sites must be pro-MS as well, right?

http://www.gamasutra.com...s_index.php?story=15997

http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/49638

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3163963

Those are just a few you can find the rest and call everyone else ms - lovers.

Truth hurts fernz. I would love to see you point out where he is being "biased."

I did and I have. I suggest you reread my post.

Looks like a long sad rant with nothing to back up your point to me. Feel free to show the spot in the article where he is being biased.

Really you don't see it???? You are more blinded than I thought.

OK I'll bite... I'll reply to you below in my reply to terminalx.

I know it's hard to believe, but people have their own opinions and sometimes, just sometimes, they may be the same as others... But that doesn't make them the same person.

I'm not talking about the failings of the PS3. I'll be the first to tell you it's failing now (notice the NOW part... How about some freakin marketing for that thing!) I'm talking about this article and this "writer".

Are those sites pro-MS.... NOPE. But why are you linking those story's that have nothing to do with THIS story.

Let me break it down for you.... and for Ed Oswald. This is how news should be reported:

http://www.gamesindustry...tent_page.php?aid=29985

http://www.gamasutra.com...s_index.php?story=15989

http://news.digitaltrend..._turns_seven_goes_white

http://kotaku.com/gaming...-turns-seven-315385.php

Notice that the above linked story's were about the anniversary of the PS2 and it’s crazy, but they actually talked about that.

This is how Ed Oswald starts his story:
“Despite its struggles with the PlayStation 3…”
Now this is how Ed Eswald finishes the story:
He mentions the PS2 again, then gives a quote, but then goes on and on about the how bad the PS3 is doing. 5 of the 7 paragraphs are about the PS3’s shortcomings. This is a story about the PS2? Couldn’t tell by reading it. Yes I know that what he is saying is not false, but that’s not what this story is about now is it.

THAT is the difference between what my linked sites report, and what Ed reports. THAT’S what makes him biased. This was not a PS3 story, it was a PS2 story. It’s ok to mention the struggling PS3, but how about making this PS2 story entitled “The PS2 Turns 7, New Model on Tap”…. ABOUT THE PS2!

Hence, Ed is a hack who cannot separate his prejudices with his job.

I think he takes this stuff so seriously, he sh!t his pants. Look at that post ..... BWAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHHAAHAHA!

I don't think that word means what you think...

What he's biased against the playstation 3 over the playstation 2?

Every Article about MS written this week was Scott, not Ed.

Unlike you, I'm quick and straight to the point. I don't whine like a 2 year old.

Hate to break it to you fernz, but him pointing out the downfalls of the PS3 does not make him biased. You are just getting your feathers ruffled up because he didn't try to spin this into a neutral/positive article for Sony. It is what it is. Also as has already been stated before. If you don't like the way the articles are written feel free to get your news somewhere else. Nobody is twisting your arm to come here.

Yea but if they leave then we wont have anyone else to laugh at!

True...

The news as it is?

The PS2 is still doing great.
The PS3 is still struggling.

These are facts. It seemed pretty cut-and-dried to me.

Go reread my post below with the examples of how this story should have been written… Not so cut and dry.

And this is coming from you mister averaging 15,000 word, 15-paragraph per comment.

“…spin this into a neutral/positive article for Sony”
Comments like this proves my a$$-kissing theory.

There is no spinning needed. That's what you Beta"News" fanboys will never see.

This is already a positive PS2 story. Ed had to work to spin this into a negative Sony story. The other sites reported the news. Like I said before, I’ll read ps3fanboy.com if I want to read things that say everything smells of roses for Sony.

Exactly. Beta”news” needs us. Without us, this would not be an 80 comment story.

No mano1192 is not me… and we are not dave.

Wait minute... Everyone else agreed with each other. THAT's IT!!! Everyone else is Hollywood__ using different names!

"Man your so full of sh!t. Get those brown stains off your nose"

No you just act and comment like a 2 year old. Grow up child.

LMAO. You guys really are pathetic. Answer this for me. Why do you care so much if he shows Sony in a positive or negative light. It's sad really.

I think it's sadder that you Beta"News" fanboys don't see it... THAT'S really pathetic.

I agree. I suppose it would be approximately 10-20 comments, as that is all it deserves.

A console in its 7th year of life that is getting yet another facelift is hardly worthy of that much excitement. The Atari 2600 had a redesign, as did the NES, Genesis, original PlayStation, etc. Big deal. It's about as newsworthy as Apple announcing additional colors for it's Nano line.

Half of the 80 comments are of the Sony/PS3/Blu-ray fanboys who moan and whine about anything which paints any of the above-mentioned in a negative light. It isn't spin, it's pointing out facts. BetaNews doesn't make up "bad news" about Sony. The bad news is already there... BN is simply another outlet making it more widely known. Aside from the success of the PlayStation 2, when was the last time Sony actually did or announced anything that was truly worthy of shouting it from the rooftops? They receive consistent bad press for a reason.

I will concede that the comparisons between the PS2 and the PS3 were unnecessary filler. I did however find the mention of the PS3's unpopularity to be a rather nice segue into the company's announcement of prolonged support of the PS2 platform.

Wow, an intelligent post.

"I will concede that the comparisons between the PS2 and the PS3 were unnecessary filler. I did however find the mention of the PS3's unpopularity to be a rather nice segue into the company's announcement of prolonged support of the PS2 platform."

The rather nice segue into the prolonged support of the PS2 platform is cool... I also agree with you that this isn’t exactly the most exiting news I’ve read.

But the "unnecessary filler" is my point exactly. It can't be "unnecessary filler" if 5 of 7 paragraphs are PS3 on a PS2 story. 5 of 7 paragraphs are a whole story about the PS3 with PS2 fillers. The linked stories above didn't need this "unnecessary filler" to make up 75% of the story… That’s my point.

LMAO!!! Sorry that I don't see things that you dream up. Anyway I will make this short so you can hurry up and try to find another stupid reason to call Betanews biased.

Hey, I happen to agree with the points you are trying to make, and I understand your frustration (at least I think I do... that was quite the tirade earlier).

I just did not happen to take it the way that you took it, I suppose. I didn't necessarily view it as a negative article. What I walked away from was this:

In spite of Sony's poor PlayStation 3 marketing efforts, there is some good news for Sony for a change. Their PlayStation 2 is still kicking a** and taking names, as old as it is.

The inclusion of the PlayStation 3 in the article, albeit unnecessary, did not magically turn the article into a negative one. I did not find it to detract from the main point of the article. Nothing was said that is not already fairly common knowledge regarding the struggling PlayStation 3, so no news there... but again I agree, not necessary to get the main point of the article across.

However, I do not share your apparent views that it was somehow irresponsible of him in mentioning it.

It is simply Ed's views, and it was the way he chose to exercise his journalistic freedom. It is part of his writing style, and I respect his opinions no differently than I respect your own or anyone else's on this forum. I simply believe berating him and calling him a "hack" was a tad harsh and uncalled for... but hey, we do that to each other all the time here. In spite of the occasional reprimands from the moderators (more infrequent than they need to be), we break the rules regarding forum etiquette almost on a regular basis... and no, I'm not proud of it most of the time. Why should we (or just you) treat the editors any differently? (that was sarcasm, by the way)

"Wow, an intelligent post."

Yeah... I have the same response with some of yours, too. :P

Here comes the Dave desperation posts that make no sense.

Sony - "Let's support our console with sub-standard graphics processing and out of date technology for another three years.

We might as well, the PS3 is a complete failure."

Something like that?

We all know the failue rate of PS2's are somewhere in the 50-60% range. Everybody I know has had one go bad.

Hahaha. You utter wanker.
It's 7 years old.
Of course they're starting to go bad.

CD drives die pretty quickly if you access them continually for 7 years.

yea 60 - 72 million failed.
you are so full of s***.
'we all know'.. you all know what you try to believe

They're not "just now" starting to go bad. The PS2 has always used crappy low quality drives. Granted his figures are ridiculously exaggerated, but their failures is not something new. They only recently began using higher quality drives.

Totally agree that PS2 has always been crap. I bought one at launch. Right out of the box it had a weird clicking problem on the drive. Every game would lock up after just a few minutes. I took it back and got my 2nd one. It also clicked and although it would last longer than the first one it too would lock up. I also owned the original PS. It was much better quality, but then again it was co-developed between Nintendo and Sony!

Thats why there was a class action lawsuit against them because the failed to soon. The quoted numbers may be off a couple hundred thousand but close to right I guess. I replace mine three or four times in the first three years.

Sony + Disk Read Errors + Google = FAIL

They are 15 revisions in and its still having problems.

I wonder if Sony realizes how bad this looks for the next-gen,

"Hey, well the ps3 isn't selling so here's an idea lets cut out the ps2 chip out of all models AND make a new ps2 in WHITE! Then we can charge people to buy a new ps2 and continue releasing games on it, while ignoring the elephant in the room!"

Sorry Dave, It's true and every single person in here knows it.

The PS1 and PS2 are probably the most problem plagued consoles made to date.

Go cry somewhere else.

Hmm...

Here I thought you were fairly intelligent and had some common sense. I see now I need to rethink that original assessment.

Every hardware revision (all 15 of them, soon to be 16) has had overheating and disc read problems, which (to the best of my knowledge) Sony has never fixed for free. It took a class-action lawsuit to even get them to vaguely acknowledge there was a problem. Not one single recall, no extended warranties whatsoever.

In other words... crap.

At one time I think it was for a year Sony would repair the ps2 free of charge minus shipping costs to them for the disk read errors.

Problem was they never officially announced it, it was kind of a secret and depending who you spoke with would help you.

I called Sony 5 different times until someone agreed that I could ship it back to them and they would pay for the disk read error.

Funny thing was I bought a broken one off of ebay and sent it in and they fixed it free of charge.

Unfortunately, that was the only good experience I had, as I had another one with the disk read errors and they refused to fix it as it wasn't one of the listed models that were bad. Even though it was obvious there was something wrong with the laser as tweaking it did help somewhat but still couldn't get it working 100%

I have a friend who has had her slim-line for about a year and after watching a dvd for an hr starts skipping all over the place and the unit is quite hot.

Yup you got that right.

Try millions off....

Yea, same here.

Well I'll hold my hands up. I was going on personal experience.
My PS2 finally gave way a year ago, after ~ 6 years of faithful service.
I have several friends who still have first gen PS2s that still work.
This is why I had a rant.

Maybe they built the European ones better or something? Or apparently I and 3 other people all got lucky.

haha i think your behind on the times, thats what they are doing already, but hey to give the ps2 some credit, i still have an old junker that i just played last night, valkerie profile 2, its a kick a** game!

i use my ole ps2 for a door stop... and dose a darn good job too

lol, thats brilliant.

haa haa while everyone else is making money on there new products sony has to count on there old platform to hold up the new one

Just like the PS2, the price will creep down, the numbers will go up, and away we'll go. The PS3 is already cheaper than the PS2 was at the same time, and it's 100x the hardware. I do question them dropping PS2 support from the cheap model, as it would seem that if I had to spend $150 on a PS2, I might want to save up and spend $400 on a deck that does both PS2/3... but, I have to save $500 for both... a little bit harder to sell mom and dad on but still pocket change in the age of $500 cell phones...

But, But, you (as in the media "experts") said the Playstation 2 was a flop.. What happened?

http://www.forbes.com/2001/01/25/0125disaster.html

Basically, news articles like yours will be laughing stock in 2 years time, like this article is today.

Your posts get lamer every day. You've never answered the question of why you keep coming here if you hate Betanews so much. Is it maybe because you are a lying troll (I don't recall anyone on Betanews saying the PS2 flopped), or maybe you're just an idiot.

This article is mostly postive for Sony, it's about the success of the PS2. Yeah it talks about how the PS3 is struggling. That's not an opinion, it's a fact.

If you don't like BetaNews, stop reading. :)

"Basically, news articles like yours will be laughing stock in 2 years time, like this article is today."

Even though today were laughing at you.

Jesus Christ, you NEED to start READING the articles you post.

Its a completely different ballgame this time, as stated PS2 was FAILING without Xbox or Gamecube even being out yet.

This time around you have the Wii and Xbox360 out as competition. So game developers are looking where they can make money. The facts that applied then do not hold true this time. Xbox360 has a huge reliability issue which is funny because ps2 was failing then, yet with all the problems on the xbox360 it is making money.

Ed, why don't you answer emails?

You are a retard, I've asked you plenty of times what competition the PS2 had when it was released, and every time you weasel out of answering it. I guess like everything else I need to blatantly say it, the answer is NO COMPETITION AT LAUNCH.

I still stay this scum is par of Sony's payroll, how else could he possibly believe any of the sh!t he says.

what's even funnier is the article he posted specifically says MS and Nintendo had not released their new consoles yet.

That's a response I can respect.

it's the only possible explanation

^^^^ Believe me Minute...You wont be missed.

Nope. I saw his system, it's a joke. He doesnt even have a surround setup, no center, no rears. He lives in an apartment where you can run wires or alter anything.

Poor broke bas****.

ahhh yes that's right, i can still recall the dust sitting on it

WTF?! Are you stalking this guy now? Seriously man just turn off all the electronic bs in your house, grab your children, and GO OUTSIDE.