heh, wrong article. Moved...

both formats suck, i want something just as good if not better, but as one format only...

LOOK at VHS! - DVD - 8TRACK - VINAL - CD - only one type of format, that did their jobs when they were needed..

replace it with one format.. neither hd dvd or bluray should win.. both are not acceptable

Que la fregada pues...until a human being isn't able to submerge into a virtual world in entertainment, pinche sound and video will always be the same, so F!! HD-DVD and BLU-RAY. Standard DVD is still the best way to go kids, why pay for something YOU FOOLS think is any different!!!!????!?!?!?!?!

Ya se acabo!

Seems Micheal Bay has already lost faith in Paramounts backhander based decision to back the ailing HD DVD...

http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=611

"Director Michael Bay is feeling Blu once again with recent comments regarding Paramount's decision to release his blockbuster hit 'Transformers' only on rival format HD DVD. "It's short-sighted and it has delayed consumers' moving to HD," he commented. "As a director, my critical eye is that Blu-ray is where my money is. Consumers are smart, and they are going to wait it out."

Wahh Wahh wahh... who cares what he thinks, he got his paycheck... sucks for him if wants it on blu-ray

Smart my ***.

The same Michael Bay you were cursing on blu-ray.com for retracting his "No Blu Ray, no Transformers 2" comment.

You are such a turd and you are fooling no one.

Michael Bay was quoted saying "I drank the Kool-Aid" meaning the BD execs got him drunk after dinner and beraded him for hours until he posted it on his blog, while drunk.

So he's a little unhappy that consumers dont have a choice which format to buy for his movie? Understandable, however its all ok when blu-ray have their own exclusives? But god do they cry poor when they have the table turned on them

I trust Michael Bay to make things go 'boom!' on the big screen... that's about it.

He can keep his over-inflated opinion of himself and his format preference to himself. He's a self-absorbed arrogant pr*ck who needs to be knocked down a couple of notches.

Oh wait... that already happened when he opened his big mouth the first time. LOL

Yes, an article from the blu-ray site is definitely 100% factual nope no bias there.

Nice edit to attempt to cover your tracks...

Where is the story about BD outselling HD-DVD 2:1 in the USA year-to-date? Hmmm....

http://news.yahoo.com/s/...VB6hqo46eR6PEDx7oP0kPUI

Wow, Davey is under the impression that its 4:1. Damn Davey its gone to from 4:1 to 2:1 in 10 hours... I guess that turnaround will come much quicker than I though, tee hee.

LOL, all kidding aside. 2:1 seems a little too close. Thanks for the link, I'll be looking for other sources to fully justify the 2:1 ratio.

Well obviously its not planted in a story about Transformers setting new hi-def records now is it?
How freaken stupid can you get?
Again total failure to comprehend an article. Where are these people coming from?

It's actually 2.4:1 in the US.

In Japan it's 9:1
In Europe it's 4:1

Remember Paramount only jumped ship from Blu-Ray 1 1/2 months ago.. just wait...

"Again total failure to comprehend an article. Where are these people coming from?"

They call themself's the 'Blu-Blood Soldiers'. They all gather on the Blu-Ray.com forum and try to come up with arguments of why Blu-Ray is supposed to be better than HD-DVD. That's why they all say the same horsesh!t.

"It's actually 2.4:1 in the US."

- BS

It's 60:40 despite the Blu-ray lead of 10 - 20 times number of
players.

.....and the high def market is miniscule in the USA and practically invisible elsewhere.

Your sweeping claims of a 'win' in those circumstances are utterly laughable.

There isn't one person in here you could listen to this movie and tell me it's uncompressed audio or not. Nobody can actually tell the difference, the human ear can barely distinguish 10% distortion (yes that's correct, 10%)

All of you wannabe "audiophiles" are completely full of crap. Dolby Digital, dts, and Dolby HD and dts Master Audio all sound the same. Especially on your home theater in a box surround system.

Dave / Steve is always complaining about uncompressed audio not being on titles except that pathetic picture he posted of his system doesn't even have a center channel.

War of the Worlds is another eye/ear candy movie to rival Tranformers.

This quote came directly from blu-ray.com

"Since the format launched, Blu-ray has managed to move 3.01M units (movies) compared to 1.97M for HD DVD."

Now, is it just me, does someones 4 to 1 and 9 to 1 BD ratios sound like BS?

If you can divide simple numbers the ratio of BD to HD-DVD movies sold to date is 3 to 2. Simplified, it's a 1.5 to 1 ratio.

Looks like your lies about sales have been debunked by your own fanboy site, Dave.

Check and mate, Hollywood is right again.

"War of the Worlds is another eye/ear candy movie to rival Tranformers."

I'm not sure I'd go that far, especially on the visual side. Transformers has some of the best eye candy I've seen in a while. I cannot wait until I can enjoy the high-def version for myself.

Aurally though, it's pretty close. The storm scene and the aliens coming out of the ground... that's one of the reference scenes that I use to showcase my modest sound system to others, and to show how much better DTS can be.

The funniest thing I've seen about this movie on HD DVD is the tragic way the Sony/PS3/Blu-ray shill-drone-fanboys cling to their completely misunderstood BS about quality.

Specifically the audio quality (well, they can't say Jack Sh*te about the - excellent - image quality afterall).

They discovered it was 'only' going to be Dolby Digital +.

Note the '+' (plus) that means it's not the same as vanilla Dolby Digital.
.....and that this means it is of use to & appeals to all but the tiny percentage that aren't lying about having receivers able to properly use audio standards that are higher than that.

Unfortunately for a bunch of barely literate spec-sheet jockey kiddies that doesn't mean 'uncompressed audio' so it must be worse than it might have been had it come out on Blu-ray, right?

Wrong.

"Everything about this (audio) track just screams "REFERENCE!"
and it holds up easily to the best PCM and True HD mixes that I have heard.

Call me a doubter no more."

http://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/review.php?ID=30988

Not only have Viacom/Paramount set new records for high def disc sales but they did it without the much higher costs Blu-ray imposes = bigger and better profitability.

You can bet others will be looking at this and doing the sums for themselves.

Watch Warner.

The whisper is to prepare for mid Jan 2008 and a big announcement in time for CES.

Quite frankly i'm amazed at the people who are not buying it simply because it does not have uncompressed audio.
I have not seen the movie in any format but by all means its getting bloody good scores in audio everywhere I have read.

The Transformers DVD has some of the best audio I've heard since the Collector's Edition of Serenity in DTS.

I can only imagine what the DD+ mix sounds like if the vanilla Dolby Digital is this good.

After reading through all the comments here I felt a guide was needed as there is clearly people that have no idea. Feel free to print it out. And yes there is gramma errors in it, I’m not native English.

Hi,
I am going to be your host today as you have proven you have absolutely no ability to comprehend anything.

At the top of your browser window you can see in the title ‘Transformers sets Hi-def sales records’. Please take a moment to think and understand what that means. You may find some words like ‘records’ and ‘sales’ are vaguely familiar. If in doubt, refer to your dictionary.

Now move down to the start of the article. Read the first paragraph starting from the word ‘Although’ through to the word ‘Blu-ray’. Again, take a moment to let this sink in. You might even realise that the word ‘record’ is back again and this time with its friends ‘every’, ‘Single’ and ‘both’. What could this mean? Lets read on….

The next paragraph starts off with the word ‘The’. Some words of interest in the first sentence are ‘Standalone’, beating’, ‘lower’ & ‘prices’. If you have a long hard look at this you may start to comprehend the article.
But of course you would rather just dribble the usual rubbish and then resort to calling betanews pro-Microsoft if all else fails.

Oh and what’s that? Sd-dvd is still clearly the winner.
Please for the love of god, can we have some blu-ray supporters that actually think using their heads and come up with decent discussions on here for once? You know, the ones that think outside their ps3’s and actually have the ability to think from a consumer point of view, not a fan’s.

Now that's how to be sarcastic. Good stuff. :)

Those figures only show one thing: the clear winner between both HD formats is... good ol' DVD. My SD-DVD still ram both your HD fat asses by a margin of 4300%.

It's true. Niether HD format will come close to S-DVD numbers for at least ten years. I see HD movies whether it be BD or HD-DVD as a way to enjoy the movies that desrve to be HD.

Eye candy summer blockbusters with special effects, action movies, etc.. Not Trading Places and Blades of Glory type crap.

Some people hate everything. I know a guy named Tony who is most miserable bas**** you will ever meet. The only thing that comes out of his mouth is bile. Everyone hates him too.

Kind of like you Dave. Miserable, lonely, sullen, wooden and unpleasant. You are pathetic.

Don't people care whether or not a movie sucked?
What makes people spend their money on crap?

I agree... Putting BRD v HDDVD aside, this was a pretty bad movie. M. Bay is a hack who made 1 good movie in The Rock.

A bad movie would be The day after tomorrow which the blu crowd wet their collective pants about when it came to blu-ray. No matter how good it may look or sound crap is crap just looks nicer if that is even possible for crap to look better.

LOL... The Day After Tomorrow was crap! Even worse than Transformers.

It baffles me when people (on HDDVD or BR) talk about these movies that are terrible....

I guess I'm just in the minority.

I'm right there with you. The last dvd I bought was the Anniversary Edition of Scarface.

I also have (but didn't buy) Deja Vu. Which I enjoyed.

Scarface... Classic.

Last BR I bought was NIN: Besides you in Time... AMAZING!

On DVD, last movie I bought was Shaun of the Dead! Good I love that movie. I'm a sucker for zombie movies.

I guess I would have to be in the minority as well. Though I thought Transformers was a pretty good movie on the action front (for which Bay is pretty well-known), I still had numerous issues with it... as well as most of the "blockbusters" out there.

I think Serenity was the last truly incredible movie I remember seeing in the theater and buying on DVD. There have been others that were good for a break from the mundane, but not much replay value.

Heh, indeed. Shaun of the Dead was great, along with Hot Fuzz (I thought).

Have you seen Spaced? It's a TV show with the same characters. You should check it out.

I have Shaun of the Dead sitting on top of my TV but haven't watched it yet. Hot Fuzz was brilliant.

"Have you ever shot two pistols whilst jumping through the air?"

"No"

"Have you ever been involved in a high speed car chase?"

"No"

"Have you ever shot a gun out the window whilst being involved in a high speed car chase?"

I love it...

haven't seen Shaun of the Dead (why i don't know), Hot Fuzz was very good (Y)

No, I haven't heard of it, but I look forward to checking it out. I love those characters.

http://www.hidefpreview....lusive%20Interview.html

good read for anyone who thinks that HD-DVD and Blu-ray are of completely equal quality...

That was actually a very good Q&A session. Thanks, I had fun reading that.

"It's short-sighted and it has delayed consumers' moving to HD (home video)," he says. "As a director, my critical eye is that Blu-ray is where my money is. Consumers are smart, and they are going to wait it out."

-Michael Bay

wow...even the director of the film thinks blu-ray will win....but Hollywood obviously knows more than him....

http://www.usatoday.com/...-transformers-bay_N.htm

just stirring the pot....countdown to Hollywood's panties getting all bunched up...10...9....8...

Dave,

The difference between you and I is you actually get upset over this nonsense because you have nothing better to do. I have both formats and soon to be all 3 consoles because my daughter wants a Wii.

You could only scrape enough together for a PS3 / BD player.

I love to see your blood pressure rise and your bad attempts at swaying HD-DVD & 360 fans to Blu Ray.

You are terrible at it.

It is so obvious you don't have a college degree, a family, or a real life. You write like a fifth grader and spend all your time making petitions nobody wants to sign.

And you think you're any better?

See post below.

"...It is so obvious you don't have a college degree, a family, or a real life."

This is coming from you? This is meant to insult Metfanant? What a joke.

We all remember that post you made a month or so back that was how long?...

Oh yea, it was:
7 pages, 310 lines
2,698 words, 15,623 characters

...Then you went and deleted it because even your fellow Beta"News" fanboys called you an idiot. You must have felt so proud of yourself when you posted it... only to have to go back and delete it. That must have hurt

LMAO! Go log in under more usernames jagoff. Besides, you were the one who wrote all that crap on blu-ray.com.

They are directed at you Dave, go by any name you want in here but they are all you.

I see I hit a nerve with the no college degree statement, is that a sore spot for you? I'm so sorry you don't have disposable income.

Absolutely. Not only do you have no personality but you are always bitter and angry, probably a drunk too.

The truth hurts Dave.

1st...name isn't Dave...

2nd...I was also able to scrape together enough for an HDTV with the PS3...haha..

3rd...Never tried to sway anyone to the PS3 or Blu-ray...if you are happy with a console that bricks and a format on its last leg...fine with me...more power to ya...

4th...have 2 college degrees at the age of 22 thank you very much...i would bet any sort of money in the world that you have WAY more posts on here than i do...i think you are the one that needs a life...

Prove it. I've asked you before to prove it and even offered PayPal money to you if you do... But you haven't been able to have you Hollywood__. Other people may or may not use different names but that has nothing to do with me.

So I ask again...Prove it.

I'll even do 1 better. If you can prove that I use different usernames on this site and my name is Dave and that I "...wrote all that crap on blu-ray.com.",.. If you can prove it, I'll not only apologize, but I'll change my username to Fernz33/Dave/whoever else you think I am. Or I'll never post again... I'll give you the option.

2 college degree's and no common sense. oh yea that makes you what?

I find it funny how people who are not good at arguing always fall back back to personal insults. Says a lot really.

Now you're just paranoid because I'm clearly not Dave. Jeez...

Wow, that was the biggest line of BS I have ever heard.

1. Here are the facts, you are Dave, which means you are also Steve and Joey, you already admitted you work at a game or electronics chain.

2. Your system sucks and your PS3 is dusty and obviously unused.

3. You have a degree in nothing. You are positing a false reality to make yourself seem more important.

4. I work from home, I can come on here any time I want to insult you and prove you are a multiposting loser.

5. You use the exact same lingo in all your posts and even use the exact same links as all of your other names including your real one which is DaveBG (real name Dave Peterson). If you have two degrees and are that stupid, they must be from a community college.

6. People who are full of crap are always trying to prove they arent by posting thier fake resumes.

Ok Dave

You can keep your money Dave. Ed Oswald is the only guy who could clear this up and he doesnt return emails.

There is one major difference between Metfanant and the "Dave Smurfs" that litter this site:

Metfanant actually isn't afraid to debate facts and the finer points of both formats, as he has done in the past. He may post links to some of the more common pro-Blu-ray 'articles of the day' occasionally, but at least he doesn't run and hide when challenged to support his claims. When he does respond, it's usually of a level of maturity that is nowhere to be found with the gibberish of the Dave clones.

We may disagree, but I do respect him for that.

lackluster reviews? i loved that movie. the one thing it was missing was a better experience when it finally got to imax. i hate watching movies where the framerates of standard theaters and projectors wont keep up with panning shots. everyones panties are all in a knot over the detail of BD over HD and the so called BD "fans of superior quality" are rubbing their honey holes over the sound compression? get real. If there was any true sense to any of these arguments, people would be in an uproar about the crappy choppy panning that happens in every hifi movie i've seen since birth. star wars, transformers, whatever. panning = im going epileptic. fix the real issues and stop pointing at retarded "certified formats."

*drops $.02, walks off*

I do have to thank Dave for multiposting his garbage here. The best thing he is doing is turning people off to BD and the PS3 instead of somehow convincing them this junk is better.

Actually, the PS3 is a nice gaming machine with a low failure rate, but what about when people turn them on and actually start using them?

We all know BD is an unfinished format with an uncertain future for early adopters and a major studio and it siblings just jumped ship for a bag full of money.

Keep posting Dave, you are the best spokesperson HD-DVD could have. Thanks again sir.

"Keep posting Dave, you are the best spokesperson HD-DVD could have. "

I have to agree here. Who better to make blu-ray look like sh!t by blabbering unsupported 'facts'.

I'm going to be perfectly honest for a minute and agree completely. The biggest thing I have against Sony is it's idiot fanboys. The very name of the company leaves a sour taste in my mouth now. Nobody wants to be associated with morons like Dave.

i'll second that. the more crap i read from the comment spammers the more likely i am to believe sony fanboys are rabidly retarded and stubbornly biased much like the religious rightwingers who believe in zombie jesus, magical ribs, and a rapture where everyone is boring as hell.

i am still not buying either format. too early...

Agreed. Still to early to pick a side... Im betting on the dual format player. *wink*

if i get anything, it would have to be irresistible or unavoidable. If they do end up bundling HD drives with the 360, i might get one then. maybe. for now, i like my existing dvd player that upscales, plays mpegs, avis, divx, etc. no reason to upgrade.

Tranformers on HD-DVD is by far the best movie you can get for either format.

Of course the people with a PS3, 42" DLP and no surround sound wouldnt know anything about good sound and picture ..... right Dave?

Why would they need to sell it on Blu Ray, they already got thier 150 million to cover the cost of every BD and HD-DVD movie sold to date, times two, or three actually.

_____________________________________

Someone poses the question to Dave / Joey / Steve: "How's profile 1.1 coming?"

Here is his response:

"Fine thanks. There should be a PS3 firmware update to deliver it, in the next few weeks. It's also worth pointing out, Profile 1.1 spec is vastly superior to HD DVD's interative features.

Jsut watch the HD DVD drones change their track, when 5.5 Million Blu-Ray suddenly have Profile 1.1, then Interactivity won't be important any more. LOL"

______________________________________________

First of all any format that has interactivity and is not connected via ethernet is simply an interactive CD-ROM or BD-ROM in this case.

You claim it will be "vastly superior" to HD-DVD's HDi, yet the BD spec doesn't call for an ethernet port until profile 2.0

You need to explain to me as well as everyone else how an interactive CD-ROM feature being added is somehow better than internet based interactivity like HDi.

Of course you have no answer and I am absolutely right again, making your silly BD format look like the POS we all know it is.

I almost forgot the laughable post over at blu-ray.com

There is a story titled "Warner, no profile 1.1 yet"

It's a story about how Terminator 3 will be relased with the crippled PIP that forces movie studios to limit one half of the discs storage for the movie, and the other half for the same exact movie with PIP.

It's pathetic. But what's even more pathetic is the comments from the fanboys.

Some of them went on to say "We don't need features, I just want to see the movie" The same exact jagoff who said a week before "I can't wait for profile 1.1 so we can finally shut up these HD-DUD fanboys"

You and your whole crew of sheep are absolutely pathetic Dave, just like you ran with the rumored stor of a new 360 with an HD-DVD built in.

I noticed you havent posted a word about it since it was debunked.

Did you actually read the comments about yourself here? Finally everyone knows all of your usernames and how full of crap you really are. I can't imagine what it's like to have dozens of people you never even met loathe you so much.

I'm sure the people that know you personally think you're an even bigger wanker.

You let me know when that 1.1 profile firmware update comes to the PS3 Davey boy. It will be mid 2008 before we ever see it.

"I can't imagine what it's like to have dozens of people you never even met hate you so much."

Hate is such a harsh word. I prefer to think of Davey as my puppet. He never fails me in stating something retard, of course I'm always there to make him look like the retard that he is.

I changed it to loathed. It's more demeaning and less personal.

The Blu-Boy formula:

Good news for Sony: Cheer and gloat, the competition is dead! We told you so!

Bad news for Sony: This is no big deal, and Betanews is biased. Sony still wins!

HD-DVD does it again.

Based on the 3:1 sales of Blu-ray over HD DVD in US, 4:1 in Europe, and 9:1 in Japan, Paramount must be feeling quick sick right now.

Imagine how many copies would have been sold on Blu-ray. I wonder how the feel throwing away half a million plus Blu-ray sales.. I hope that Paramount backhander was worth it..

I'm sure they considered that before making a switch. But alas, unlike you, they think in terms of future potential. That ratio might be 4:1, but eventually it will be 3:1 , 1:1 , and then tragically for Sony the ratio will switch over in Hd-DVD's favor.

My best guess is roughly a year, before things turn around.

And I'm sure this will happen once this happens.
http://www.engadget.com/...-dvd-drive-in-late-2008/

Well it's currently going the wrong way.

Europe and Japan are lost. They have gone from around 2:1 this time last year, to 4:1 and 9:1 in Blu-ray favor.

In US, it's gone from 1:2 to 2:1 in Blu-ray favor in the last 18 months.

When is this mythical turnaround going to happen?

Wasn't the PS3 released after the stand alone players? That explains your initial turn around. Just be patient, it will happen. You can quote me on that.

"When is this mythical turnaround going to happen?"

I've answered that already, please try to keep up.

Mythical like the stats reported here?

And if it was released on Blu-Ray, they may have made more money and sold more copies.

To everything, spin, spin, spin...

And they would have made less money overall because of the cost of blu-ray production.

I bought it on HD-DVD, it's pretty sweet.

I'm enjoying my copy too. Haven't found time to go through the PIP features though.

It would've been nice to see that PiP on blo-ray... Oh wait a sec, blo-ray can't do that without breaking a leg.

No no... Blu-ray can!

That's what all that extra space is for they keep bragging about... a complete second copy of the movie with an insert.

Laughable. :)

Let the "Blu-Ray vs HD-DVD" comments begin!

Ring the bell, Apollo?

*ding, ding*

And it's HD-DVD by a knockout!

Sony must be sad today. Another format of theirs slowly dying. Remember MiniDisc? The only people with Blu-ray players in the US, most likely own a PS3.

Anyone want to predict Spiderman 3 on Blu-ray eclipsing these medocre sales numbers?

Anyone also want to predict Betanews NOT reporting it...

Oh look, more whining about how terrible Betanews is.

"Oh boo hoo, Betanews is so biased! I hate this site yet I keep coming here."

I don't see why Spiderman 3 couldn't beat records. I sure it will. Maybe they will hit 250,000 sold in the first week for blu-ray.

"...Anyone also want to predict Betanews NOT reporting it... "

They will report it... But will report it like this...

BETA"NEWS":
"Sales for Spiderman 3 on BR do not compare to Transformers on DVD"-EdOswald

Comments:
Sony bad, MS good, everyone on here supporting Sony is the same person, but...but...but standalone players are selling well for HDDVD,... standalone is all that matters, forget the millions and millions of PS3's... they don't count.

Or the millions of 360 drives.

how are you going to make a comment and then reply to yourself.

I do, Spiderman 3 sucked as a movie.

I agree, but that doesn't mean every little kid out there wont want it.

Apparently the 5+ million PS3 consoles don't count as much as you would hope, as the software sales are only 2:1 in favor of Blu-ray over HD DVD.

If it makes you feel better, we can include them from now on. I just figured we were all doing you a favor by helping to not make BD look as bad as it already is.

...and for the record, Spiderman 3 sucked out loud (I'd almost say Spawn was better). It had a boring story that dragged on, with fight scenes that were an absolute joke... camera angles s***ing so fast making it almost impossible to determine what was going on. The kids can have that one...

Seriously that's your reply.

If we don't include it wouldn't it make you feel worse that even with the big advantage of "standalone" players in favor HDDVD, Blu-Ray is still winning in software sales 2-1?

If it breaks records (notice I dont say anything about it beating transforma sales) you can sure as hell count of betanews reporting it and accuratly so. When have they not?
Medocre sales? So every single blu-ray title has been medocre before this right?

If you dont include it to make someone 'happy' then you couldnt include the software sales related to it either.
Thats impossible to measure of course but you can sure as hell bet that would take a massive chunk out.

Who else would be happy is both HD DVD and Blu Ray fail and a third party comes out of left-field and comes out with a cheaper, better technology alternative. The war is going on too long with no clear winner.