Cast Away (2000) Distributors:
Twentieth Century-Fox Film Corporation (2000) (USA)
>>> DreamWorks Distribution (2000) (non-USA)

So Paramount/Dreamworks is going to release Cast Away on HD-DVD?

LOL. Fox recently released it on Blu-Ray.

Guess your "studio source" hasn't got a clue has he?

Apparently he does, since there are already numerous supposed "Blu-ray exclusives" that are available on HD DVD in regions besides the U.S.

Yep, gotta love the lack of region coding on all HD DVD players.

Is This The End For Blu-Ray?
http://www.scientificblo...ray_high_definition_dvd

Interesting perspective. Well worth reading.

Recent Insider INFO – My Source speaks out to me via phone call – Jan 21, 1008

HD DVD will come back with a Vengeance. The DVD Forum is not stupid enough to let Sony's Blu-Ray format succeed SD DVD nor HD DVD. But keep dreaming everybody if you think Blu-Ray will win in the end. You can all expect 2 Major BD Studios s***ing their allegiance with HD DVD exclusively between Q2 to Q3 2008. And one of them is not Warner Bros. Though I am sure they will soon follow within the Q4 2008 time frame.
The DVD Forum has had enough of this War and enough of the Blu-Ray manipulative business tactics. Expect a law suit by the DVD Forum against the Blu-Ray Disc Association because of their use of “DVD”.

Two major contributing factors for the 2 major studio s***s are going to be 1)Extremely well HD DVD player sales after Q1 2008 due to HD DVD promotional Groups extremely aggressive advertising which we’ve not even seen just yet and 2)The introduction of the TL51 discs with the TLTwin following about a month or so later due to the nature of the new triple layer twin discs replicating processes that will take a little longer than usual. Expect most of the TLTwin based films to be based on catalogue titles which should easily fit on the 4.7GB SD DVD layers.

That's a lot of speculation still.

It happens when it happens.

Well guys it was a pleasure reading your posts accept for scorpions and labomba AKA scorpion. But I will be moving back overseas soon to do a job in Iraq for bechtel corp. Wont be back for about a year. At that time we will see where things are at.

Have fun, good luck, and be safe. We'll hold the fort down for ya. :)

For the trooper in you, I respect that, good luck out there and be careful.

But for the HD DUD in you, so long. :-)

Stay safe in Iraq :)

Hi Def media sales are peanuts compared to SD DVD sales. Numbers will start showing promis with HD DVD once they get enough players into peoples homes.

HD Sales Data by Week:

http://www.dvdempire.com...p;userid=99365955196957

It looks like BD is really dominating sales.

Have you been banned enough to behave with others yet?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Whose laughing now that the numbers shows that BD are selling way more the DUD? Show me links that DUDs sells more than BD. I CALL ON ALL OF YOU to show me proof.

I'm waiting....

Weak, as usual. At least you're consistent.

I'm still waiting....tick tock tick tock... :-)

That was never an issue with anyone else, but instead one that you threw out there and pretended that others were disputing it.

Right after I say "You're right, Blu-ray does outsell HD DVD titles, no contest", it should be my turn to say that the sky is blue... show me links proving otherwise.

Sales figures alone do not determine the superiority of one format over another, as history has shown.

As I said... weak. :)

What do you mean? Sales figures basically shows what the majority of the consumers want. That is one of the reasons why Warner took the blu pill is becuase of sales figures.

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't it that during the Betamax vs. VHS wars was also decided due to the majority of the consumer choice? If so, then "history repeats itself".

"Sales figures basically shows what the majority of the consumers want."

oh god not another one.....

Not leaving for Iraq until Monday now :(
Here is what killed beta.

Beta despite having a better picture and despite being superior to vhs in every aspect lost because of 2 main reasons.
1. Sony would not allow porn to be produced on there precious beta tapes.
2. Vhs was cheaper and would allow the pr0n on there tapes.

Now we can see sony has went in a good direction by allowing porn on there blue media. But with the price drops in HD-DVD we will see that cheaper and just as good if not better then blu because of features and compatability issues blue is having. Its not over yet my fine little smurf. And as I have said again and again Online content will win in the end.

Hey! I'm just saying what the others are saying. That's what I get on online sites that sells both formats like dvdempire.com, zdnet, CNN, etc. I just need to know on where you guys get your facts, that is all I'm trying to say here. I do agree in some of you here about HD DUDs' marketing, technology specs, etc. What I don't get is a straight answer contradicting to the sales figures I presented and you know what, it may be sad to some of you to admit but consumer role does play a big decision on the war.

ZDNet: HD Downloads Not Really HD

http://www.tvpredictions.com/zdnet011808.htm

If you're too lazy to click on the link above, here's the article:

Washington, D.C. (January 18, 2008) -- From Microsoft to Apple, companies are launching new services that purport to offer High-Definition movies and TV shows via high-speed Internet downloads.

However, ZDNet technical director George Ou says the picture quality on the HD downloads is not as good as the PQ on a DVD 1080p upconverter player.

In a column just posted at ZDNet, Ou writes that high-def downloads has become an industry "big lie," meaning they really don't offer HD-quality images.

Apple's Net TV device now offers HD downloads.

He contends that HD downloads must be compressed so that the bit rate used in the transmission is typically just 1.5 to 4 mbps for 720p H.264.

In layman's terms, that means that the signal strength -- and picture quality -- is far lower than what you'll see on a Blu-ray or HD DVD high-def disc. It's even lower than what's offered by cable and satellite operators and a good DVD upconverter player.

"There’s just one minor little problem (with HD downoads), it’s not HD," Ou says. "These so-called HD movies use very low bit-rates compared to even standard definition DVDs let alone something like HD DVD or Blu-ray DVD."

Microsoft is now offering high-def downloads via its XBox 360 gaming console while Apple just added them to its Apple TV device. Additionally, Netflix and several other companies are planning to offer HD download services.

But ZDNet's technical director says the companies are just using "marketing" techniques to make it sound like the downloads are really HD.

"Marketing will push the nicer sounding “720p” aspect of the video but they don’t tell you it’s way too compressed to offer good video fidelity. Blu-ray has a maximum bit-rate of 40 mbps while HD DVD offers 28 mbps. Over the air broadcasts can be up to 24 mbps though they’re typically between 16 to 20 mbps," he says.
Ou adds: "Under most normal circumstances, the low bit-rate 720p so-called 'HD' video will be inferior though many companies are betting that consumers won’t know any better. So the bottom line is that so-called “HD” video from Microsoft’s XBOX360 HD download service and Apple’s new Apple TV service or any other web download service is simply not HD by any respectable definition."

HD download? Bleh....better think twice. It doesn't come close to HD disc quality when it comes to both audio and picture performance. It's not full 1080P. It doesn't do lossless or uncompress audio. It does not have special features, commentaries and extra stuff that you can find on HD media movies. Mine as well do VOD just like what we're doing now! Apple is wrong on this one. I guarantee that this is NOT the future of HD.

If you ask me, it's Blu-Ray all the way.

ZDnet LOL

"I guarantee that this is NOT the future of HD."

Neither is Blu-ray (or HD DVD), in my opinion. They were both good starts, but they are still lacking in a few areas.

So, you wish to have a civil debate on the facts? Okay then, let's see if you can hold up your end. Let's take just one of your points:

"It doesn't come close to HD disc quality when it comes to both audio and picture performance."

You repeatedly state that Blu-ray is superior due to sales figures of software titles alone, and offer little more than that to support your claim of its superior status. The public, by a large margin, do not care about the quality differences between disc-based media and digital downloads. This is evidenced by the fact that digital music downloaded via services such as iTunes Store eclipse music CD sales. Surely you are not suggesting that digital music downloads (MP3, AAC, etc) offer greater quality or are superior to Compact Discs (regardless of the fact that the dynamic range and overall mixing and mastering quality of most of today's music pales in comparison to that of more than a decade ago).

So what exactly is so great about supposed "HD audio performance" currently?

All these buzzwords: Dolby TrueHD, DTS-HD Master Audio, uncompressed PCM. Audiophiles are clamoring for DTS-HD MA (more players and receivers capable of handling raw bitstream tranport, etc), yet soundtracks on existing titles that incorporate and utilize that format to anywhere near the fullest extent are extremely rare, instead offering "cleaner" versions of what we are already accustomed to. Uncompressed PCM is no different... actually it is, because of its space-wasting qualities. Also, if lossless formats such as Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD are converted to PCM anyway to satisfy backward compatibility concerns, why include PCM on the disc in the first place?

Lossless matters little, uncompressed even less, especially when the majority of the audio on Blu-ray titles essentially offer nothing more than multi-channel uncompressed PCM versions of the same 16-bit 48,000 Hz Dolby Digital AC3 soundtracks found on almost all DVD releases. That is not high-definition, I'm sorry to inform you. High-definition does not stop at video, but pertains to audio as well. It is the whole package. You squabble over the differences in video quality at various resolutions and compression rates, yet settle for the same mediocre audio resolution that has existed for more than a decade on DVD. As long as it is not at least 24-bit 96,000 Hz, I couldn't care less if it is uncompressed or not. It is quite simply inferior to what is now available no matter how it is encoded, and is essentially a 'dumbed down' version of what was originally recorded.

You cannot magically add missing lines of resolution when upconverting a DVD. The same applies for audio. You could have the best, most expensive display in the world... but it is ultra-realistic multi-channel surround audio that places you in the middle of it all and makes it feel real.

If the music industry records at 24-bit resolution for archival master recordings, what makes you think it is any different for the film industry? Most theatrical releases are filmed and mastered at 1080p/24, and many people demand the same video quality and resolution when played back in their home theaters. Audio is definitely not recorded at 16-bit at the professional level, yet it ends up that way on "high-definition" media that is supposed to be clearly superior to DVD. There is no excuse for that kind of mediocrity on a next-generation format. Even amateur concert bootleggers record and master at 24-bit resolution.

You want to brag about the increased superior storage capacity of Blu-ray discs? As soon as they start utilizing it effectively and efficiently, I will be impressed. So far, they have not... and thus, I remain unconvinced that it is vastly superior in every way.

You got your point there, I am not arguing with that. It's just the fact of the matter is, digital HD streaming still has a lot of grounds to cover. It's never near any HD DUD or BD quality....yet. Plus, alot of consumers would like collecting movies (not to mention the special features, commentaries, etc.). If HD streaming/downloading comes as equal or greater than what both HD formats does now, then that is a different story.

I agree wholeheartedly on all points. :)

We dont care about your postings. We do care when you start posting foul language and use this forum to post slanderious remarks againsts others and your racial comments. You will be baneed again im sure.

Sorry guys this was a responce to ogcscorpion who made another name. looks likt they banned that one also and deleted the posts he made. THANK YOU BETA NEWS!

How to complain to competition and consumer protection watchdogs regarding Warner's actions:

http://www.campaignhd.com/WATCHDOG.html

Sony caught buying Blu-Ray movies in the 10,s of 1,000's for all of 2007 to sway the numbers in Blu-Ray's favor.

I am hoping my source for this information comes out with an article soon about this monstrosity.
The BDA are up to no good trying to control the movie content we pay for to watch.

this would rock you should tell your souce to do it. Thats one thing hd-dvd needs is to paint the BDA in a bad light like they have been doing to them since before this has started. Also it would be good to know that the performance contract with warner would be null void for all the titles they bought.

When will people realize that Warner is not going to support Blu-Ray after 2008? When? It's not going to happen. The next studio in line to join HD DVD exclusively is Disney.

Once HD DVD hits the top 10+ million sold mark at the end of 2008, Blu-Ray is finished.

- HD DVD leads in HD DVD enabled notebooks 5+ million to be sold in 2008.
- HD DVD leads in HD DVD SAL player sales. More than 2+ million will sell in 2008 alone.
- HD DVD leads in more PC based drives and are expected to sell more than 1.5+ million more in 2008
- XBOX 360 HD DVD player add-on is going to go down in price by 25%. Should make it's first 1+ million sold mark by Q3 2008 and selling another 1/2 million by the end of 2008.
- HD DVD "Exclusive" studios - Universal, Paramount, DreamWorks & The Weinstein Company. All with their subsidiaries including Focus Features, Rogue Pictures, Nickelodeon Movies, MTV Films, Dimension Films.
They also have a lot of support from other studios which also support BD.

Is HD DVD dead, hell no, they are working to re-build their momentum which the BDA worked hard to destroy with their false advertising & non-factual & bias information. The BDA was even caught paying off reviewers & article writers to spread HD DVD negativity. This information should be coming out soon, so you all can also read about it.

I seen many articles where there were pay offs involved. Bottom line is blue ray is inferior against hd dvd. But still like I said in the end apple tv and other online providers will offer online/on demand.

Apart of project hydra right?

That was appalling... to think that the format war would probably be won due to the actions of immature children.

I weep for the future.

Inferior? Not when sales figurs shows that BD is dominating HD. Check this link out and weep:

http://www.dvdempire.com...p;userid=99365955196957

You seem to consistently believe that sales figures alone determine superiority, as evidenced by your continued link spamming under yet another newly-created alias. Misguided doesn't begin to describe it...

ALSO FYI

Online content will be the way of the future. As soon as google wins the bid for the C band which is 100 megs over wireless online content will be mainstream. Google is allready setting up data centers all over the USA to facilitate. Shiny spinning disks are a thing of the past. Apple is allready in talks with google over the C band. in a few years dsl and cable internet providers will even suffer from the availability of C band. My company has a promotional apple tv unit and they are SWEET! I just watched Hot Rod "funny movie" in 1080i/p via streaming over my 15 meg cox line. Looked just as good as either the blue ray or the hd dvd copy of which I went and bought both to compare with. Even if blue ray wins it wont be on top for even a year at best.

Looks like scorpion got banned again. I dont think he can get a clue. At least the good people at beta news deleted all of his posts this time. Mayby if they keep doing it he will get a clue?

obviously you didnt go to the mac conference in cali. I did. You probly have never left your house. And its obvious you know nothing about upcomming technology. The apple tv is new which is why there arent many movies. But to start off with 1000 available out of the box that sayes alot. And the fact that its supported by all the studios sayes another thing. I watched hot rod in 1080p works in i as well just fine. So im not sure where your getting your miss information. For a product thats only been on the shelf for a few weeks id say its doing well and will be the chosen player in the end. I mean the 360 only has around 300 movies and the apple tv has more and only has been out for a few weeks. As for the sound hmm lets see the kingdom was running in 7.1 on the set of pioneer cs 905's running those on the front channel outs from my pioneer thx receiver into a yamaha m-80 which is running at a 4 ohm load peaks out around 1200 watts. Then for my 2 side speakers which are a set of bose acustamass cubes and the 3 rear speakers the same. And for the sub 2 klipsch 15" positioned in each corner of my basement which is about 1200 sqf. Bullets were flying around the room to each speakers in series with the video which was playing on a 120" widescreen by screen inovations interlaces with glass fibers. Oh and the projector a Sanyo PLVHD100 True High Definition (1920 X 1080) 16:9 Home Theater Projector which sells for about 30 grand. Now unless your running a setup like this you truly cant experience Hi Defination. So sit there with your POS3 and watch resident evil on a shotty tv.

If some of you are as warped as I am and liked freddy got fingered you really should watch hot rod. I was laughing all the way through it.

That sounds like a really nice setup you have there. I'm jealous. :)

Ya i posted that for our pos3 fanboy ogscorpion but they deleted his post I was quoting. Hopefuly this time around he will get the point.

I kinda went overboard on the projector the bulbs for the thing cost about $600 thus far I have not had to replace one. BTW that projector is what alot of theaters use. If I ever get time ill post some pics on my site. Ive got a guy right now building me a ticket booth at the front door into the movie room. The room is also being total enclosed with walls with sound deadening material so if visitors are watching a movie it dont disturb the others playing pool or just hanging out in the basement. When its done it will look pretty cool I think. I currently have seating for 20 all recliners on a stair step configuration with cupholders. I actualy got the seats from a defunct porn theater in my area. Had them recovered with black leather :)

"Had them recovered with black leather :)"

A wise decision, to be sure. :)

One of ogscorpion's post got deleted?
Good to finally see some moderation in place :)
Mindless blabber and nonsence should be kept at blu-ray.com's forums

Blu-ray Extends Sales Lead After Warner Announcement

http://www.homemediamaga...p;&article_ID=11906

http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=872

lol banned again and soon this one will be banned also

I am laughing at you kid because you have proven the fact that your a complete uneducated, illiterate, childish child over and over again. And you have been banned several times. The fact you keep making new accounts does not mean you cant or havent been banned. Dont you have anything better to do? Are you just discovering trolling for the first time? Did you just learn how to post on forums? The time your wasting here should be used to educate yourself on grammer. Dude get a clue. There isnt one person in this entire thread that supports you or likes you for that matter. Not even other blu ray fans like you. I seen there comments to your posts on other sites. Your just a troll who has no life, no friends if you did you would not be here. And stop quoting fictional charecters in movies especial the fast and furious that further proves your just a kid. No one likes you, no one cares about your posts. Your a failure at life. Soon theese people at BN will just ban your ip. Or file abuse complaints to your provider and have your internet service with them terminated. Keep it up because thats where its headed.

First of all look at your source, Blu-Ray.com. And secondly Home Media Magazine has been taking money from the BDA to convince people that Blu-Ray is selling more than HD DVD. So anything they write or report on is Bogus.

It's video scan called Neislon is bogus, means nothing due to the fact they leave out hi end retailers like Wal-Mart and others.

At the end price will be the determining factor in this format war. HD DVD will succeed SD DVD.

Read on cnn's website. All studios have endorsed apple tv. In the end that will be what is chosen. On demand content no matter which way its delivered will be the choice. Both HD DVD and Blue will be sitting beside peoples laser disks in a year. Apple tv will sell for around $200 and allready has 1000 movies. It is slated for launch in Feb.

Even Microsoft knows the way of the future is in Online Content. Thats why Microsoft and a few others dont really care about HD DVD or Blueray. I use www.newzbin.com and a good news provider and can download any new movie in Hi Def. I can stream it from my pc to my xbox or my xbox 360. The way of the future is Online/On Demand.

If I may, isn't VOD or video on demand already out for years? This is nothing new on what Apple is trying to push. You can get VOD on almost all cable/satellite carriers now. Some includes Hidef. I don't see what's the big fuzz about this. Don't get me wrong though, I like the concept but it just doesn't make sense to me. The only difference here is Apple is pushing it via internet connection.

"hows that a big of a deal" LOL Again with the poor use of grammer.

VOD is just now becomming popular and with the speed increases viable. And streaming apple tv through an internet connection is exactly what people will be doing and want. Apple is the pioneer of current technologies when it comes to online content. They have pioneered online music and they will do it with video as well. Both camps know this and the fact that all studios are supporting it it must not be that bad eh? Shiny disks are a thing of the past. Its obsolete technology no matter what kind of laser is reading it. As soon as google is granted use of the C band which im sure you know nothing about being your a kid with a POS3 Its a new form of wireless that will offer 100 gigs up and down over wireless. Google is setting up data centers all over the USA to facilitate it. They have the highest bid for the C band and they will be granted its use by the FCC. as soon as that happens EVERYTHING will be going to online content. DSL and Cable internet providers will be a thing of the past in a few years. Go do some research kid and figure it out.

Read ogscorpions posts below. He references Fictonal charecters in movies like The Fast and Furious. He has a poor use of grammer. Its obvious you people are dealing with a child. I would guess his age to be about 13 to 15 years of age. Here is a tip that I learned. JUST IGNOR ANY COMMENTS FROM HIM. When you see something posted by him skip it and move to the next. He has been banned 3 times that I can see by looking at the ip address used to post his comments. Only the last octet is changing. Personaly I think he needs to invest the time he is wasting here on educating himself with proper grammer. I love how he tried to do an insult war with dcperdue and lost. I dont know if any of you got to see the posts but they were quite amusing. So hey lets all agree if we see a post from ogscorpion we skip it and move on. Thats the best way to deal with children. Perhaps we should put a psssssst in there too like the dog whisperer does. His methods work on children just as good as dogs.

Agree!

Hey mom! Glad you joined in....psych! After your statement, who is the bigger kid now? You DUDs have absolutely side stepping on the debate issues that I am presenting and instead, doing personal attacks. What a sad camp you guys have. Another note in the books that HD DUD lovers definitely does not have any knowledge of the overall HiDef technology. And one of the reasons why your camp has failed and lost due to ignorant, hot aired supporters in this camp.

Ignore me? Bleh. I will be here as long as I want. Dcperdue was nothing more of a techno wannabee. If you think of it, he's as bad as me, except that he's in your camp. And how come I don't hear any bad stuff about him? It's because you are all on his side. I could care less about that. I knew from the beginning when I started to join this site is to attack and prove to all y'all zombie DUDs and shove BD facts in your throat. And it has been proven to more than one of your DUDs (dcperdue, setian stalker, yountmj and nt300). Look at your team. It only takes me to upset the entire colony. What more if the rest of my gang starts to invade your itsy bitsy world? How sad is that? As I have said in the past, START FOCUSING ON DEFENDING YOUR GROUND AND FOCUS ON THE TOPIC OF THE HD WAR. Instead, what do you guys do? Attack the presenter with cheap side shots. Like that really works.

Also as an FYI, I have been saving all posts and comments since I joined from the beginning and it is a damn good library of how DUD fans avoid discussion. Heh, no wonder HD DUD lost.

Banned 3 times? Bravo! Homie cannot even count. You are just guessing here, junior. What do you know about IP address? Do you even know what IP stands for? Another techno geek wannabee? Tsk tsk. As an FYI, only once I got banned. Let see, is 1 equals to 3....hmmmm. LOL! No wonder HD DUD lost, none of you can't count! HAHAHAHA!

Please, tell me anything else that I don't know.

...that you are as dumb as he is? Totally.

NEXT!

I couldn't said it better myself.

http://practical-tech.com/entertainment/bye-bye-hd-dvd

Man, I'm on a roll tonight. Must be the Resident Evil: Extinction I'm watching on my PS3 right now getting me pumped up.

Your move....!

Why just why would you want to come across as immature and childish to support your argument is beyond anyone here. You are counterproductive to anything here even your chosen format. It’s in any sites interest to ban people like you.
Joey could not even beat you even if he tried - and he said some pretty stupid things when he started out here.

Absolutely unbelievable. Happy Trolling

I don't see any immaturity and childish on the link I provided. This is another proof that you DUDs does not have any counter ammunitions to defend this article. And your move to defend is to ban me? HA! Not in a million years. No wonder that your camp is loosing interest in this dead technology. No wonder that your camp is returning HD DUD players back to vendors. No wonder even Microsoft has considered going to BD. This means that your camp is loosing your grounds and what can you say, "oh ban this guy...blah bla bla bla blah". You are sooo pathetic. Start focusing on the point and prove to your camp that you have something to say "productive" instead of your gibberish BS nonsense comment. Oh that's right, I remember now. You don't even own both technology and I have to listen to you!?

I'm still waiting.....

"Start focusing on the point and prove to your camp that you have something to say "productive" instead of your gibberish BS nonsense comment."

How about you do the same? So far, all you have managed to do is regurgitate more of the same tripe that you and the rest of your little Blu-ray buddies verbally masturbate each other with on other sites.

Wow... it sure seems like banning you the first time around really got you stirred up. You're on a rampage all of a sudden. I wonder what getting you banned again would accomplish? It's worth a shot...

It was your own behavior and blatant disregard for the rules that must be obeyed to post here... that is what got you banned.

BetaNews reserves the right to remove any comment at any time for any reason. Please keep your responses appropriate and on topic. Foul language and personal attacks will not be tolerated.

At least this site is lenient (perhaps too lenient) with regards to immature children such as yourself. That's more than the scared little "take my ball and go home" Smurfs at blu-ray.com would allow. Even briefly mentioning certain topics on that forum would send the rest of you into a frenzy, sticking your fingers in your ears as you plead with the mods to ban, ban, ban!

Oh no, he's actually an HD DVD supporter in disguise. Oh no, he mentioned Warner. Oh no, he didn't agree with me... ban him!

Pathetic.

The behavior you are exhibiting here is far more over-the-top than what people got banned for on that site on almost a daily basis. So tell me, why exactly should the moderators or the rest of the members here react any differently towards you when you have responded to almost everyone here in a derogatory manner, simply for the sake of causing trouble by provoking others?

What goes around comes around.

Oh, by the way... how about some links to support your "facts"? As for your previous post, I read the link (against all better judgment based on your past responses), and my response is: Author is attempting to pass off biased opinions and speculation as fact. There is hardly anything in that article that die-hard Blu-ray fanboys haven't been preaching and falsely claiming for over 1½ years.

That seems to be the norm for most Blu-ray fanboys such as yourself. Why break tradition this late in the game? At any rate, this article is almost a week old, and we have already gotten plenty of useful on-topic debate and discussion out of it. You are a day late and dollar short, and offer nothing new or pertinent. Moving on.

"How about you do the same? So far, all you have managed to do is regurgitate more of the same tripe that you and the rest of your little Blu-ray buddies verbally masturbate each other with on other sites."

Do you read articles dude? Again, FOCUS ON THE TOPIC. DO YOU UNDERSTAND THE WORDS THAT I AM SAYING? Please start defending your dead technology and stop focusing on me, I know I'm cute.

"Wow... it sure seems like banning you the first time around really got you stirred up. You're on a rampage all of a sudden. I wonder what getting you banned again would accomplish? It's worth a shot..."

As I have mentioned several times, I will just keep on coming back.

"The behavior you are exhibiting here is far more over-the-top than what people got banned for on that site on almost a daily basis. So tell me, why exactly should the moderators or the rest of the members here react any differently towards you when you have responded to almost everyone here in a derogatory manner, simply for the sake of causing trouble by provoking others?"

Is that the only thing you can say? Come on. I expect more maturity from the both of you. And you call me immature. Please! Pffft. Are you listening to yourselves here? Just stick to the point and start debating. I guess that there is nothing for your camp to debate and defend and instead it is focused on my attention and my genius. No wonder major studios dump your technology. It's garbage, old, dead and pointless.

Anything else to say?

LOL You looser I downloaded that in Hi Def a day before it was at the movies.

Actualy I dont even think this kid is American the way he uses grammer is like an arab "counter ammunitions" its AMMUNITION "this is another proof" THIS IS MORE PROOF Come on man you only keep proving the obvious. YOUR A KID and kids should not speak unless spoken too. Your parrents should be so proud of you.

And that makes you a pirate. Don't you know that it is illegal? Who's the evil Ed now?

Next!

Next!

And from your fellow HD DUDs that you may have never heard of, here's what they're doing now to the dead technology: RETURN TO VENDOR.

http://www.avsforum.com/...owthread.php?p=12786448

It started. How saaaaad.... :-)

If you read the posts there talking about returning there hd dvd units that they paid a good ammount of money for and then buy them at the discounted price. Dude you are such a retard.

Yeah...riiight. Read carefully idiot.

NEXT!

This is soo funny. Microsoft is soo funny. MS has stated that a BD add-on is possible. I'm not saying that there is 100% credible on this article but definitely a good percentage is true. A statement like this (if its 100 percent true) would mean to a definite end to the war.

http://gamernode.com/new...-is-possible/index.html

Oh, and check this out, it seems to be true after all:

http://www.next-gen.biz/...&show=1&start=4

What a looser MS is.

I know that my two best buds here are gnarling to say something about it. Bring it on!

Unusual for a blu-ray supporter to be slow on the uptake. That was brought up days ago.

I knew one of you DUDs is going to respond. Took you long enough. I knew this was old news. I just like to re-post it again for those that who hasn't heard about it.

Dude he is a kid who owns a POS3 and he trolls sites about the war and then reposts them to other sites. When you see the name just skip it and move on. That will bother him more then replying to his posts.

LOL right you just found it. Which only shows how behind you are on this war.

Keep dreaming....

NEXT!

Here is an e-mail I received by a fellow studio writer & a great friend. One studio to another studio.
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Paramount/DreamWorks Home Entertainment - Classified Information.
Proposed list for 1st Quarter 2008 to 2nd Quarter 2008 HD DVD / More to come:

Titanic TLT
Braveheart TLT
Gladiator TLT
Deep Impact HD
The Prince of Egypt HD
Saving Private Ryan HD
Small Soldiers American Beauty HD
Cast Away TLT
Shrek 1 & 2 (Also Trilogy BOX Set w/P3) TLT
The Last Castle HD
A.I.: Artificial Intelligence HD
A Beautiful Mind HD
The Curse of the Jade Scorpion HD
The Time Machine HD
The Tuxedo HD
Sinbad: Legend of the Seven Seas TL51
Shark Tale HD

Nothing is written in stone, but this is what I found out within the studio.
You owe me a beer lol,
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I will let you figure out what the terms "HD", "TLT" & "TL51" mean.

Good stuff.

When are these titles supposed to be announced?

Cast Away is a Fox title and it has been released on Blu-Ray already... Check with your friend again...

Nah, just need to add one more to a long list of supposed "Blu-ray exclusives" that are also available on HD DVD in other regions through other distribution channels.

Once HD DVD player sales reach about 5_ million in 2008 Warner will be singing a different tune. I call it RED.

FOX was going to join HD DVD voluntarily. That must say something about the HD DVD format & its superiorities over Blu-Ray.

Sony buying them off is plain wrong, just screws the consumer.

Keep dreaming, that is as far as HD DUDs can go.

Yeah, let me see..who got bought first? I believe its Paramount...hmmmm. Who's the hypocrite now?

Who got bought first?

Disney.

Yeah....riiiiight. Link please.

How about one from you about Paramount? Can you prove it?

You'd be the first.

Oh yes I CAN prove it. I have never backed out on a link war. I have asked you first. Don't be a chicken sh!t and start standing your ground by proving your facts.

The clock is ticking.....

It's not going to happen. BD has been winning on sales so why would that happen? Most consumers are buying BD movies.

Hey, business is business. There is nothing wrong with that. Sony can buy whoever they want as long as they can afford it. It's not illegal. You go and tell that to MS, Tosh, Uni and Par, they may learn something about this business.

http://gizmodo.com/34468...son-warner-went-blu+ray

Only confirms what those with ears already heard elseware. More sources say the same thing.
Yep blu camp should be very happy they got a uneasy warner on their side :)
Those that think the consumer won, or ever wins for that matter are delusional. The corporate thugs always think about themselves. The moment you spend $1, you lost.

As my good ol' buddy Toreto said, "It doesn't really matter whether you win an inch or a mile. Winning's winning."

What's with the new username

Because apparently his old one got banned. Gotta work on getting the actual user banned now...

He wants to treat this place like another blu-ray.com, might as well make feel as much at home as possible. :)

Screw BN. They can ban my all they want and I can just keep on coming back. There is no way of stopping me on posting on this lame-ass site. I like to sh!t where I want to sh!t and this is a good place to do it. :)

It would seem that the toilet known as blu-ray.com is backed up.

LOL! Actually we use the 'three sea shells'. Guess what movie that is from. As much as I like that site, there is no excitement compared to this one. Over their, its all praise and glory. Here at least there's some challenge. And I like challenge, it gives me the edge.

I can see why they banned you now.

Challenge? Repeating the Church hymns sung at blu-ray.com is a challenge to you?

You meant to you, not to me. I know you guys are intimidated. And I'm just one of the few of 'em. Imagine if the rest of us takes control of this forum. I could only imagine the outcome. It will come though. It's just a matter of time that they will change the name of this from BetaNews to BluNews. We're talking about an invasion!!!!

Hey, I could care less. As I have mentioned, BN can ban me all they want. I'll just keep on popping back up. Nobody can stop me.

Yes, and you and everyone else starting crap like that here will get the ban stick as well. Pathetic little ban-happy Smurfs in their own sad little corner of the world. You got rid of everyone else that could actually contribute anything worthwhile to a decent debate or discussion, and now it's boring? It's your own fault. It's only a matter of time before the regulars here have the ability to take matters into our own hands as far as problematic users like you are concerned. Until then, enjoy the sites, short-timer.

"Ban-happy Smurfs" You are sooo hilarious. Can you do better than that? My fault, whatever. I could care less as it takes two to tango. Yes and I am enjoying the sites for now until I get tired of it. Short-timer, bleh. Unless they start putting credit card verification system here in BN or such a like, you cannot get rid of us. And what can you do? Absolutely nothing. Wanna Kleenex too?

LOL Your quoting fictional charecters in movies? And a poor kids movie at that. I bet you drive a ricer with a cofee can for an exaust too dont you?

LOL Your a kid dude this quote just proves it. No adult would go around quoting fictional charecters in movies. Fast and Furious was a joke and so are you.

HAHAHAHAHA "Ban Happy Smurfs" I Love it dude.

It's a damn good movie. Oh, and BTW, its from UNIVERSAL. You sayin' you hated 'em? Which side are you on now?

NEXT!

BBC to comtinue to back HD DVD and are not going to follow New Line & HBO. Warner will continue to back HD DVD up until June 2008 unless HD DVD can sell a lot of HD DVD players by that time. This contract won't last past June 2008 IMO.
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Quote:
Dave Vaughan:

Max,

I have been told that there are performance clauses in the contract with Warner (and the same for Paramount with HD DVD). If these aren't met, the contract can become void.

David

Quote:
Maxpower1987:

You see, as a journalist you have much more freedom to talk about this stuff, I on the other hand have my hands tied behind my back.

Now that somebody else has mentioned it though - Blu-ray has to meet certain criteria in disc sales and player sales, but the targets are pretty low and Blu is way ahead of the game in both respects. So I don't see a realistic move to be made on this front.
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BBC Will NOT Follow Warner Bros since "HD DVD sales are much better"
http://www.tvshowsondvd....e-Hi-Def-Decisions/8765

Probably not within the next few months. The news is still ripe and the decision to Warner's exclusivity to BD is still fresh. It still needs to filter down to their company. But I guarantee before the year ends, BBC WILL follow suit. The chicks always follows the hen.

Give it a few months. BBC WILL follow suit. The chicks ALWAYS follows the mother hen.

Now this is just an opinion.. Take out the Xbox 360 and take out the PS3's of the picture, and to just evaluate the players. The reason I choose HD-DVD over Blue-Ray was
1. the coating is thicker on the HD-DVD. (I have kids so more protection means less skips and rebuys)
2. Ethernet Mandatory (I think its BS to release a product and be forced to wait for a dvd firmware update instead i can just download it)
3. Price for the player was reasonable compared to blue-ray player.
4. Dual format i can play my HD DVD movie on a standard DVD player.
5 Size capabilities (blue-ray wins at this time) but none of the Blue-ray movies or HD-DVD movies use the full capabilities of the DVD yet?
Tell me I am wrong i wanna hear your input about why you choose Blue-ray or HD-dvd

HD DVD & SD DVD do not have a hard coating, only Blu-Ray discs have that mandatory hard coating due to the fact the first layer of 25GB is right bellow that hard coating. This coating costs a lot of money and there are several cases where it's starting to ROT out. SD DVD has a proven disc design, and HD DVD follows that design. The memory on the DVD & HD DVD is deep within the disc itself, where it is safe.

Disc rot rears its head on Blu-Ray format (The Prestige, The Departed, more)
http://www.rage3d.com/bo...owthread.php?t=33892780

Blu-Ray Discs Rotting!
http://community.eu.play...showthread.php?t=189751

One more reason not to choose Blu-Ray unless you don't mind the discs self destructing after a few years time LOL

wholy s*** dude I just pulled out my blade runner disk and sure as s*** its got tiny specs on the disk. It does still play tho but for how long I dont know. No big deal I also got it on hd dvd as well.

LOL, nic digging there. Long since discredited as HD DVD fanboy FUD..

I would be more worried about Toshiba desperately trying to clear their inventory of HD DVD players at knock down prices, before Universal and Paramount announce going format neutral in a couple of week time.

Respectable reasons there. No further comment.

Bleh! Techno urban legend. Rotting discs? Watch out, it's organic and alive! LOL. Basing your statement on a first liner in a forum is pointless. Read the entire thing on that link.

Lets all have a circlejerk over a Blue Ray player and an HD DVD player.

Sony's CEO, the BDA and other executives are a bunch of Cry Babies. It's so ridiculously stupid & completely adolescent behaviours when these top executives blame Toshiba, the DVD Forum & the HD DVD Promotional Group for releasing a finalized Hi Definition format into the market place and not giving the BDA a chance to complete their own Hi Definition format. Sounds like a bunch of BS to me and too many more.

I really think Sony & the BDA need to grow up and start acting like adults and put the complete blame on themselves. Blu-Ray is a non-finalized format, suffers from profile issues and massive profile compliant player delays etc. Blu-Ray is neither worth the money nor the time to be ****ing around with Sony’s Piece of JUNK.

Let’s all hope HD DVD the official successor to SD DVD beats out Blu-Ray completely and puts Blu-Ray into the history books as another Sony BetaMax failure.

Again, a lot of hot air going out of your mouth with no proof. Send us links that supports your claim. Otherwise, you are just another HD DUD zombie that blows nothing but hot air. Let's do the walk to walk and send us proofs DUDe. I guess that crystal ball of yours you got from Swap Meet ain't that great after all eh.

Are you kidding me? Its a well known fact you choda boy. No need to post links to usless sites. Sony has it written right on the box of the pos3. No need for a crystal ball as I said before I dont give a s*** who wins or looses but facts are facts hd dvd will never go away and facts are facts the even sony will be offering hd dvd in all there pc's and laptops.

Here if you must have links. You want me to draw you a picture also?

I can post many more if you want. Posting links to the obvious is a waste of time. Its ok kid perhaps your daddy should of bought you a real console instead of a POS3. Ive for COD4 for both the 360 and the POS3 and there is no comparrison. Your even having multiplayer issues with your FREE online service. LMFAO dud stick your head in your floppy drive and type FORMAT!

http://gizmodo.com/gadge...rly-adopters-266923.php
http://www.engadgethd.co...-playing-in-all-players/

First, learn to post your comment to the right forum, you seem to be seeing double. I guess that's what you get for looking and hoping from your crystal ball too much, it will make you go blind (LOL!).

Second, here are some links that you can weep your panties on:

http://gizmodo.com/gadge...-dvd-players-178657.php

Oh look, Microsoft has a bunch of problems on their XBOX 360:

http://forums.microsoft....ID=1101925&SiteID=1

Oh, and this is from one of your DUD supporters:

http://forums.thoughtsme.../showthread.php?t=31629

And see this, even Uni acknowledges some DUD issues. How embarassing:
http://dvd.themanroom.com/dvd-newsview.php?id=565

How embarassing to see some reputable magazine articlese such as HMM and some from your fellow DUDs and from Uni to acknowledge the failure of DUD. Tell your daddy to stop paying for his gay porn sites (the only way he can get off) and start investing you on some tru BLU technology.

Well considering my daddy died in 1991 I find your comment amusing. Your nothing more or nothing less then a load of cum that should of been swollowed by your **** of a mother. You just got knocked the **** out.

Yeah, he died and now seeing you and being ashamed of you as an offspring as I believe he is a BLU fanatic wherever he is (rest his soul). You, on the other hand, is a leftover spooge that a dope hooker picked up from a condom trash and shoved it in her cocaine-infested snatch and have you as a mistake. Nothing less than a bas**** kid with no daddy.

Come on man? WTF? I wated for your reply for that? Dude you have no immagination. No creativity. I allready used a reference to semen. You must be like 12 or something if thats all the better you can do on your comeback. Good lord man try thinking up some of your own material. Oh I forgot your one of those sheep who does and sayes the same thing as everyone else. Thats cool because I like to **** sheep.

Also listen to your poor use of grammer.

"You, on the other hand, is a leftover spooge that a dope hooker picked up from a condom trash" Dont you mean you are a. And im sorry but what the **** is a condom trash? Please enlighten us on that one.

In light of your recent responding habits, you have zero right telling others to learn how to post.

I, just like everybody here, has the same right to say whatever I want.

This is a perfect example of a techno wannabee 5-year old that does not know anything about HiDef. No good comeback on the links and articles that I just fired back. Must be really embarassing that Uni, HMM and fellow DUDs acknowledge the faults and issues of HD DUD. Hey, if Microsoft admits it, I don't understand why you guys are still standing up for it? Who are the lost boys now?

And yes my grammer is not perfect (who is?). But the main point is for you to understand the message. I'm not going any further with childish comebacks as this is not the right place for it. Being as older as you are, I will go and respect your dead gay dad and your **** mother having a bas**** child. That's it.

...and I, like everyone else, reserve the right to point out hypocrisy whenever I see it.

Like I said before, it's not what you say, but how you choose to say it.

I respect what you have to say... nevertheless, you could stand to take a few lessons in forum etiquette.

Suggesting that someone else has improperly posted a response... bravo.

You've crossed the line before... but this time you're about a mile past it, and have been reported. That was quite simply uncalled for.

"Also listen to your poor use of grammer."

Classic... I've got nothing. :)

One thing will end this once and for all is if Microsoft starts giving the hd dvd adon to 360 owners for free :) Had the 360 shipped with the hd dvd drive this war would of never started. Consumers are now finding out about the 1.0, 1.1 and the 2.0 compatibility issues. I live how blue ray tries to blame hd dvd for them launching early because hd dvd was already available. Such sad excuses. Also BD's that came out on the 1.0 are not compatible with the 1.1 format after the pos3 did its 1.1 update sever movies I bought won’t play now. Imagine that. At lease sony is now stating that fact on the box of the pos3. I went to BB yesterday went to get another 360 for the bedroom and was looking at the box. If you look closely on the back it’s in very small writing and I mean small. It has nothing to with them being forced to launch because of HD DVD blueray has been out since 06 and they still have not got it right. 2.0 coming soon WTF? What’s next on 2009 they will have 3.0? And let me ask the pos fanboys something have you examined the drive out of first gen consoles and the new ones with the 1.1 firmware? They are completely different animals. And the drives shipping with the 2.0 are even design changed again. So don’t believe it when sony offers a firmware update that’s its actually as good as their current released system with it already on it.

Sheep are great, get them next to a cliff so they are afraid to fall off all you gotta do is stand there.

Another hot air....NEXT!

Are you kidding me? Its a well known fact you choda boy. No need to post links to usless sites. Sony has it written right on the box of the pos3. No need for a crystal ball as I said before I dont give a s*** who wins or looses but facts are facts hd dvd will never go away and facts are facts the even sony will be offering hd dvd in all there pc's and laptops.

Here if you must have links. You want me to draw you a picture also?

I can post many more if you want. Posting links to the obvious is a waste of time. Its ok kid perhaps your daddy should of bought you a real console instead of a POS3. Ive for COD4 for both the 360 and the POS3 and there is no comparrison. Your even having multiplayer issues with your FREE online service. LMFAO dud stick your head in your floppy drive and type FORMAT!

http://gizmodo.com/gadge...rly-adopters-266923.php
http://www.engadgethd.co...-playing-in-all-players/

This just came from Home Media Magazine. Read and weep HD DUDs. As I quoted HMM and as I previously said over and over again, "the writing is on the wall."

http://www.homemediamaga...le.cfm?article_id=11875

http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=859

Yes I found this from Blu-ray.com. You can hate it all you want, at least we back up our statements with hard proof and reputable third-party sites statements/articles such as HMM above.

What's yours? Imaginary crystal balls?

It's great to see Blu-Ray fanboys threatend by HD DVD. This is good news for all HDM overall. The faster Blu-Ray can die off the better overall. Good Find.

Threatened!? HAHAHA. LOL! You meant the other way around kid. Don't you see, another reputable tech site has left the DUD camp. HD DUD's supporters is falling fast like a stack of dominoes. Give it up, just switch to BLU and we'll provide y'all counseling.

The only writing on the wall is the phone number of your mother. Its in the mens bathroom at your local strip club. It sayes "For a good time call ogscorpion's mother. Sorry she dont swollow because if she did we would not be reading wortless babbelings from her son on betanews. But she does take it in the a** tho and shes cheap"

And look, who is the immature 5 year-old now with all this garbage? Is that how you represent your fellow HD DUDs? I guess you'all the same, kids. HD DUD vs. BD, it's separating the men (BD fanboys) from the boys (HD DUDs).

Universal/Paramount/DreamWorks are working on a massive strategic movie launch to put a stop to Sony's Blu-Ray non-sense in terms of flat out lying to the public and manipulating disc sale numbers & to falsify them to benefit Blu-Ray.

Just wait for the Triple Layer Twin discs to arrive by HD DVD backed studios, Sony can kiss Blu-Ray’s false disc sales good bye.

HD DVD offers the BEST up-converting & Hi Def media player around. This will be Toshiba’s focus and target. Keeps HD DVD strong & alive and strengthens SD DVD to eliminate as much Blu-Ray as they can. The only way HD DVD can win is by combining the power of both SD DVD with HD DVD into one.

Just wait and see what unfolds from the HD DVD Promotional Group, its real Juicy.

Prove us with a supported article/link on a credible site about this "massive strategic movie launch". Sounds like a script from a movie. LOL!

Watch out, someone's got a crystal ball! You better buff it real good, its giving a blurry future for HD DUDs.

*To all the Blu-ray fanboys*

Imagine how much I laughed at this news.

(and the fact paramount haven't budged an inch either)

You can laugh all you want, you can hate us all you want. But one thhing is for sure is that BD have dominated the HD media market and WILL be the successor of DVD. You just watch and see who will laugh hardly at the end.

We are not laughing. Blu-Ray will remain a nitche market for ever. The player prices cost way too much and they will suffer from too many incompatibilities with new movies coming out. It's bad enough Blu-Ray players do a very bad job in up-scaling SD DVD, and their load times for movies are ridiculously long.

When you compare HD DVD with its completed specs vs. Blu-Ray’s unfinished specs, you will easily realize how much faster HD DVD loads up movies & the amazing internet & interactive & true Picture & Picture etc you can enable anytime you want. All this interaction for a nice $129 HD DVD player. How much is BD profile 2.0? $800+ I thought so.

What!? I have both an A2 and PS3 and by comparison, your comment below is the exact opposite. Powering up the A2 takes forever. Since the Toshiba A2 does not have a built-in hard drive like the PS3 does, you can only save so much from the web in regards to the other web features. Transforemers the movie in HD DVD is a good example. One of the extra features is to download clips and videos which the A2 cannot handle storage. PS3 is the opposite. It powers up fast and you can play media discs faster than the A2. Also on the A2, there is a delay when you want to fast forward to the next chapter. And it does lock up alot! BTW, Toshiba's 5 free HD DVD offer took four months. I got my BD 5 free movies from PS3 within 45 days! Big difference. Is that what you call unfinished specs on the PS3? You probably got it mixed up with HD DVD. That is what you get for the cheaper side, you get cheap performance and technology.

As far as "dominating" the HD market goes, I'd be willing to bet that upscaling DVD players have taken that crown long ago, at the start of this stupid format war of Sony's design.

"Stupid is, stupid does". I'll take that bet. Oh BTW, I forgot, youre not in here anymore. Tsk tsk. Good riddance.

Read above it looks like he is still in here. In fact I see you had to change your name.

Geez people it's just a media format. It's amazing the way people pick a side and defend it to the death. It's a little shiny disc, it's not your mother or country your defending.
I don't care who wins just make it happen. I just don't want to waste my money on a player that in 6 months I can no longer get any new media for it.
When I see 70% vs 30% I think why would I buy into a format when most of the movies I want are on the 70% side. If one side dies then make it quick and painless so we can move on.

There are 1000's up on 1000's of Blu-Ray owners buying up HD DVD players now. Warner & Blu-Ray is not final regardless what they tell you about this exclusive garbage. It's not going to happen if HD DVD players are selling off the racks in stores & movie sales following behind. It will only get better & better with HD DVD.

We can expect another massive price cut in the coming months (A3 at $89, A30 at $149, & A35 at $199) new next Gen players by Onkyo, Venturer, Samsung, LG, Panasonic & Toshiba also coming soon. Expect Toshiba players to come called:
A4 at $159, A40 at $239, A45 at $299 & a possible new XA4 at $499 etc. I keep my source anonymous.

One more think I was told, if Sony tries to BS their way and says something stupid about HD DVD, Toshiba will be forced to accelerate the availability of "Something Good" and the BDA will get a licking with some new Triple Layer Twin movie discs by Universal & DreamWorks. I wasn't told if Paramount would be releasing some movies on them, but maybe later on.

This is one reason why HD DVD studios did not announce movie releases as of yet.
Stay Tuned, if I were the BDA, I would be sweating buckets by now. LOL

Arg wrong post moved.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=friS4OOcdgQ

I have to admit... that was funny and well done. Clever. :)

Got this from the blu bloods over at blo ray.com I see. A shame it is taken from an excellent movie.

Verry nice but so miss informed. Let the POS3 fanboys run there mouths in the end game we will see. You just waite and see what happens when Toshiba releases whats just sitting there waiting to be released. The only thing saving blue ray is the POS3. Im just sitting here waiting and reading. Actualy some of theese peoles misguided knolege is actualy pretty funny and much more entertaining then watching a hi def movie.

Finally something we agree on..

If anyone hasn't seen Downfall, I highly recommend it..

LMFAO! That is soo funny....and true!

What? I can't hear you. Are you still a member of this forum?

Aww... did I inconvenience you?

You wish....no one can get rid of me, even this site....NO ONE. :-)

Toshiba Deploys New HD DVD Marketing Initiatives Based on Strong Fourth Quarter Unit Sales...
http://www.prnewswire.co...08/0004735440&EDATE=#

All HD DVD needs now is to release at least one good title onto the Triple Layer Twin (HD DVD/SD DVD on one side) without releasing a seperate SD DVD version of the movie and they will completely kill the BDA's disc selling average for all of 2006 & 2007 by at least 1000:1. Probably a lot more like 2000:1 who knows, but I do know for a fact it's sitting their ready to be used when needed as a final resort.

The Toshiba marketing guys are in panic mode now. The attach rate vaporware statement is really silly. The only truth is that Blu-Ray discs have 80% of the market worldwide, that's a fact and that is the reason why Warner decided in favour of BD.

Also, no one wants hybrid discs of any kind. No one wants a DVD layer on the same disc. Hybrid discs don't offer the same available space as full format compliant standard ones.

The BDA just needs to push the new 4-layer 100GB Blu-Ray discs and if Sony can ensure full compatibility with a firmware update on the PS3 then that's it.

Bill Gates wants Toshiba to go bankrupt ASAP so that Microsoft could buy it at a cheap discounted price, that's the main reason why he is pushing Toshiba managers to go ahead against Sony and the BDA and keep wasting money on HD-DVD hardware that no one wants.

that is quite reasonable. just think about the support which microsoft offer for HD-DVD. is the HD-DVD drive installed in XBOX 360? Nope. But Blue-ray is installed in Playstation 3, indeed. Also there is a possibility that MS wants to push their online services instead of a HD-DVD drive. However, the support of MS for HD-DVD is a JOKE!!!

Congratulations with your 80% (where you get that figure I have no idea)... 80% of 1% of the entire home entertainment industry when compared to DVD.

"Also, no one wants hybrid discs of any kind. No one wants a DVD layer on the same disc."

Quite simply and undeniably wrong.

"The BDA just needs to push the new 4-layer 100GB Blu-Ray discs and if Sony can ensure full compatibility with a firmware update on the PS3 then that's it."

Care to explain how they're even coming close to utilizing the space they've already got to the fullest extent? Let's show an actual need for 50 GB first... then I may jump on board with that. A good start would be to include a true high-resolution multi-channel main soundtrack on all future titles (instead of essentially carrying over an uncompressed PCM version of the DVD AC3 soundtrack), and maxing out the bit rates on h.264 and VC-1 encodes.

"Bill Gates wants Toshiba to go bankrupt ASAP so that Microsoft could buy it at a cheap discounted price, that's the main reason why he is pushing Toshiba managers to go ahead against Sony and the BDA and keep wasting money on HD-DVD hardware that no one wants."

Seriously... you really need to put a disclaimer on most of your posts... 'Warning: Over-active Imagination'. I wonder if there's a national 'I ate paint chips as a child' registry.

You seem to suggest that the only thing Toshiba offers is HD DVD. They are a world leader in electronics across the board, and have been the world's first on several home entertainment technology fronts... including DVD.

A funny thought... if Microsoft did do that, then effectively they would own the fabrication facilities for the Cell Broadband Engine for the PlayStation 3. Seeing as how Sony is already using an outdated GPU, they might switch to a Celeron if that happened, and claim that it's 'next-gen', too. Sure... I say go for it! :)

As suspected, Toshiba today has announced massive price cuts on many current models of their HD DVD players. Expect to see sales of their players skyrocket again, just like they did before when Toshiba sold something like 90,000 units in one day during their short lived $99 sale. Another web site has an article saying that various major web based resellers were selling the current models (as of this afternoon) from ($129 to $179) Expect to see the same prices on retail shelves as well here almost immediately I would think.

This is a very smart move on Toshiba's part I think. They know that customers are "coin operated". Give them a great deal and they won't pass it up. I don't expect to see the Blu-ray camp respond, just like they elected not to respond the last time Toshiba dropped prices. Expect to see the blu-ray camp pay little or no attention to this move at all as they now are convinced that they have "won the war". Now lets watch and see how consumers decide to react.

As mentioned before, to those in the Blu-ray camp, a very old saying applies here I believe: be careful what you wish for....because you might just get it.

Toshiba is in panic mode. They must sell old hardware devices in preparation for a U-turn toward Blu-Ray format. That's the main reason for the discounts

You may want to add that Toshiba expects to sell more than 8+ million HD DVD based HDMI notebooks and another 2 to 5+ million HD DVD based HDMI notebooks by HP & Compaq. All you need is an HDMI capable HDTV & a HDMI cable and you got yourself big screen HD DVD playback.

Currently I own the Toshiba Satellite HD DVD edition with full HDCP & HDMI. It’s quite convenient when you want to demonstrate the power of HD DVD’s picture & audio quality to family & friends with a simple HDMI hook-up to anybodies HDTV.

After showing people the flawless quality in HD DVD, it sells itself.

Sorry, but that was last year, and it never materialised, much like the TL51GB discs, and other Tosiba Vaporware.

They materialised last year...

No one noticed.

Disney did.

You are all so missguided. HD-DVD will never go away, period. All major and I say ALL! Hardware suppliers accept for apple which is still worthless are and will continue to support HD-DVD. Whats even more funny is sony notebooks will as well as long as they want to remain to be able to supply microsoft operating systems on there Laptops and Pc's. Good lord I am so sick of theese PS3 kids talking smack like they have any real clue about anything. YAY! you own a POS console that cant compete with the 360. You keep saying HD-DVD is going to obsolete bla bla bla.. It never will be as long as its endorsed by Intel and Microsoft. Lets not forget that your POS3 cant even play Orange Box ROFL and has about an 80% failure rate of playing any game that the 360 can. Well I am going to go buy another 360 for the bedroom this makes 3 total 360's in my house and 1 POS3. s*** I think the WII has better supported games then the POS3 yes because I own one of those also. And im sorry if your provider has s***ty hi def service. Im using COX with an hdtv converter and its running fine in 1080I looks good. Oh and to the fool who asked if I even owned an HDTV sure do its a Toshiba 70" in the basement and a 60" Plasma upstairs. Dont think that everyone on this forum is a child that only owns a POS3 or an xbox and is basing there opionions on the one that they own. Go back to school when it starts again get your diploma then after that go to college and get a degree and then you earn the right to post your opinion.

And you forgot one thing....you are an idiot. 80% failure? You got it twisted. Who got some overheating issues with the console? 360. Who has not provided with HDMI and they have to release a DUD 'elite' version just to catch up with the HDMI race? 360. Who has a weak tech support that Microsoft has to extend just to make up with the customers and have to publish public apology? 360. Who has a console that cannot even play HD movies unless you buy an add-on? 360. Who has a dinky 20GB hardrive where it can only last for five minutes? 360. Who has to be a sucker and pay XBox live while on the PS3 is free? 360. Enough said.

then why does the 360 outsell the PS3 ?

Simple. They have a year headstart and they have more games than the PS3, unfortunately. I, for one, am not a gamer. I only own a PS3 just for HiDef movies. That is the main business of Microsoft for the XBOX and 360, to get a piece of the gaming market.

Looking at the PS3's past & present progress, it will never overtake the XBOX 360 in sales & in games. You can thank Sony for this.

Just basic facts. Sony seems to care more about the Blu-Ray format instead of taking care of the real reason why people purchased that gaming console, the gamers.

Microsoft offers a variety of different XBOX 360 units including the Elite that has HDMI. There was no reason for MS to have originally released an HDMI XBOX 360 console due to the fact, less than 1% of North America’s had a HDMI compatible HDTV.

Just like less than 20% of PS3 owners don’t even have HDTV’s.

PS3 is now outselling 360 massively in Japan, by a large margin in Europe, and slightly in the US.

Where have you been?

"Sony seems to care more about the Blu-Ray format instead of taking care of the real reason why people purchased that gaming console, the gamers."

Is that why they own more 1st party studios that Microsoft and Nintendo put together???

WE have been here on planet earth where Microsoft sold 7+ million consoles over Christmas. What did yours sell??? 3? You do know that 7 is a greater number than 3 right?

Yes 20GB soo small not capable of handling the 80g of space that the POS people use for their online.. wait your online doesn't offer the same as xbox live. Yes enough said your console still pushes inferior games. Developers who went exclusive to POS before "Rock Star" are going with xbox exclusive content because they realize the gaming market is with the 360 and Microsoft. I own both consoles and I enjoy playing Orange Box on a platform free of problems. You pat yourself on the back because yours can only play movies for an inferior format.

What console is the sucker that doesn't have games and is being sold as a Blu-Ray player? PS3. =D

In total :
Xbox 360 : 14.5m
Playstation 3 : 7m
Wii : 17m

Owning 1st party studios still doesn't seem to help them get highly rated and anticpated titles out...

PS3 online gaming is free because umm it SUCKS! and if they charged for it no one would pay for it. HAHAHAHAHA Another idiot proves the before said that he is an idiot. And dude do you even know what HDMI is or does? HDMI is mainly for encrypting the vidio and audio and allows for both on one cable. The red green blue component cables thats always been on the 360 run in hidef just fine 1080i/p you are such an idiot.

You're a dumass. Dude, HDMI is the WAY to go. It eliminates having two sets of cable. Why go with a clutter when you can have it neat? That is one of the main concept of having HDMI, to have your audio and hidef video in to one cable. Who is the idiot now? PS3 game sucks? I somewhat agree with you on that one as I am not a gamer at all. But who is the biggest sucker, the one that gets it for free or the one that has to pay for it....hmmmmm.

I was stating the fact that the retard didnt even know what HDMI was or does. I proved my point. As for online gaming. Obviously people who pay for it are not as stupid as you think considering the the 360 sells its consols at a loss and makes up for it in the live service. It seems more people pay for live then get it free. Dream on man the pos3 will never compete with the 360 for anything. Online games, Online content. I can go on and on. And my pioneer THX receiver that retails for 3 grand has hdmi inputs and outputs as well use them having an opticle cable and component cables isnt a big deal. Dont base your opinions on the fact that you bought a crappy gaming console as a blue ray player. Look at the facts the 360 is still on top of the POS3 and alwayes will be. And with the price cuts you will see some majore s***ing withen the studios. 80% of the people buying hi def players are mid to low income familys and they wont be willing to pay the extra price for a blue ray player when they have allready bought an hd dvd player. The price cuts was a smart move by toshiba. At least toshiba can afford to discount there product why? because they have more money and more real backers and can afford too. Lets see blue ray discount anything without going bankrupt. Go eat a d*** kid.

HDMI is not always the end-all be-all when it comes to audio. If your player does not support bitstream output of Dolby TrueHD or DTS-HD MA, then I believe it's best to either look for one that does, or one that includes multi-channel analog outputs. It gets converted to analog at some point in the chain... might as well do it at the source as long as so few players and A/V receivers support bitstream over HDMI.

HDMI is nice (and required in many cases for video), but it carries audio as well. Some people care about that, too.

You just said it, "considering the the 360 sells its consols at a loss and makes up for it in the live service". Microsoft rushed on getting a year headstart and what does the early adopters get? No HDMI, no built-in HD DVD capability, overheating console, poor tech support that Microsoft has to offer extension and a public apology for it. I can go on and on with the faulty XBOX. Microsoft should just stayed with software and leave the hardware for the other big boys. It is not Microsoft's expertise to build a hardware gaming system. And BTW, you should put your 3grand THX system in full use. Such a waste if you don't use HDMI (unless you have a dinosaur HDTV that does not have HDMI input). BTW, the feud here is not about the gaming specs of the XBOX and PS3. Its the capability and spec of them in regards to the HD war, not games. I could care less about the games. Price cuts? Don't you see that they are loosing money? $99 HD DVD with 5 free movies, what's left for them to profit? If they still profit from it, then their parts is waay cheaper than I thought which makes more sense for majority of studios to reject them.

"
the PS2 was the highest selling console ever BEFORE the ps3 even launched...sony is not flooding the market with ps2's..."

Hang onto that dream.. maybe in ten years you'll be telling the white suits that your dreams of a Sony controlled industry or revolutionary product actually outsold something not being sold anymore. Golf Clap friend your console is still a POS in comparison to the xbox and people seem to be having more fun with the WII than your POS console. On a side note you seem to be able to sell their products have you ever thought about becoming a rep you could spread their lies and pitch a tent at the POS4 when they will try and sell Orange Beam as the Higher of the highest def.

LOL....

http://img220.imageshack...dsoundofobsoleteth2.jpg

wow, very good, are you 11 years old

Steve: As much as it funny, on the serious side, it is the truth.

Maybe some day you will grow up.

They are not coming soon...you base all of this on absolutely NOTHING.

It's just a matter of time until they turn BLU.

"ou're an idiot...first off the PS2 is the highest selling console EVER...period"

Ok then why are software updates on the 360 giving users the ability for back computability. Where as they had to take the back compatibility chip out of the POS3 because it was their way of cutting costs and flooding the marking with more POS2s?

Obviously if the world felt the way you do about your POS 3 then it would be higher in the list of sales unlike where it is AT THE BOTTOM with its friend the PSP.

I bet it's due to Microsoft making deals with exclusivity of content etc non the less developers know that the 360 is a better console with a better UI

so ill informed...they took the HARDWARE chip that does backwards compatability out of the PS3...it is now done with software on the 80GB PS3's....it was removed from the 40GB's all together...the PS3 software emulation covers more games then the xbox 360 can play from the xbox..WAY MORE...

what does the 360's user interface have to do with anything?...

the PS2 was the highest selling console ever BEFORE the ps3 even launched...sony is not flooding the market with ps2's...

I have a question for you if you replace the hard drive on the 80 gig PS3 or it fails what happens to the backwards compt? Is it gone? I am guessing it is on the HD. If so can you download it from Sony to reinstall. Just a question nothing more.

I would imagine that it's part of the OS firmware.

Thanks I was kind of curious about that.

the operating system install files are held on the main board...the ps3 then handles installation of the OS, and all necessary files (including backwards compatability) on its own once it recognizes that a new hard drive has been installed....

Thanks I have been wondering about that for some time.

Well first let me say that the play station is a POS and never has outsold any xbox console. I own a PS3 and a 360 so that negates me basing my opinions becuase I own one or the other. In the end game it does not mateer who wins in the end game it will be On Demand that wins. And for the retard who said cable hi def formats are not as good as media hi def formats your an idiot. 1080i/p is just that 1080i/p it does not matter where the source is comming from. It could be comming out of your a** for all that matters. Now in the end game I will go with whoever offers the most content wether its HD-DVD or Blue-Ray I mean come on why are people even complaining? because they might have to buy a new player? well I am sorry but if you can afford to spend a few hundred extra dollars on the winner of this war because you previously bought a looser then sorry to say but your a failure at life and need to sit in your trailer in your trailer park and shoot yourself in the head.

you're an idiot...first off the PS2 is the highest selling console EVER...period...the PS3 is far from a POS...and anyone who says that is purely hating on it...because both machines are super capable, and have their pros and cons...up till this point the 360 has had the advantage of a year head start, and that it is certainly easier to develop for...we have seen this come to play in many multi platform titles...but studios are swtiching their strategies now and programing for the PS3 first, and this should cure those problems in the coming year...the PS3's architecture is so different that games cannot be written in the same way for both consoles...so if you try to stuff a game written for the 360 into the PS3 it does not perform well (see Half Life 2 as a great example)...but check out the exclusives for what the PS3 can do...Uncharted is easily top 2 or 3 best looking games out there on any console...Ratchet and CLank is up there...Killzone 2 is looking SUPER strong...it takes time for developers to get the most out of consoles...to declare the PS3 a POS a year into its life cycle is out of control...

as far as on Demand...i would say YOU are the retard...do you even have an HDTV with HD broadcast AND an HD-DVD or Blu-ray player?...if you do not them your input is useless for this discussion...i personally have both...and HD broadcasts have NOTHING on HDM regardless of resolution (720p/1080i/1080p) broadcasts must be compressed SO much that you get noticeable aartifacts all over the picture, and those who have slightly older TV's will suffer from much more motion blur on broadcast HD than HDM...there is NO comparison in picture quality between the two, not to mention audio...you let me know the next time a cable company broadcasts an uncompressed movie in 720p/1080i with lossless 5.1 channel DTS:HD MA audio ok? i won't hold my breath because its probably never going to happen

Tried Comcast On Demand HD? not being from the states myself I wouldnt know but they support 1080i with 5.1 dolby sound. Could not dig much on more deeper specs however and they mislead when they say 1000 channels when only 23 are 1080i apparently :) But for all its worth I've read some really good things about the service in more recent times.

"Well first let me say that the play station is a POS and never has outsold any xbox console."

Show me where you see that Xbox has sold over 170 million units (PS1, PS2, PS3, PSP) sales. Xbox is not even 1/10th of the market pentration.

but its CRAZY compressed video...not all 1080i is of equal quality...you guys jumpo on people for believing Sony's hype machine but you are opening your mouth wide and letting the cable companies shovel cow crap down your throats...broadcast HD is nowhere near the quality...and dolby digital 5.1 is old school sd-dvd spec type stuff...im talking HD audio to go with your HD video...

I've got Comcast on Demand, and usually it gets met with a resounding...meh.

They don't claim 1000 channels, but more programming available at any time; with the vast majority of it being on demand.

The upsides: There is a decent bit of programming, with a little bit in each genre. There are quite a few programs available on demand (usually SD) that aren't available in their regular broadcast line-up. Most of the hd shows/movies are 1080i, with 5.1 sound (there are a few 720p shows, but they're kind of few and far between).

The downsides: With the exception of PPV, most movies are catalog titles, which look little better than an upconverted DVD. The neccesary compression introduces artifacts. Quite a few OTA broadcasters aren't working with Comcast yet (notably Fox and NBC) for HD content. The menu system sucks...badly. There is a certain inconsistency in the selection from month to month...some months there's a helluva lot of shows worth watching, while some months it's not even worth navigating (yeah, this is kind of a personal preference).

Overall, it's not something that I use regularly; but when I do, I get some mileage out of it.

True, but to suggest that the audio on most of the HD format offerings is superior simply because it's 'uncompressed' or 'lossless' is ludicrous.

On almost every HD title (Blu-ray and HD DVD), it's more of the same 16-bit 48 kHz audio that has been available in AC3 soundtracks for years, no matter how you slice it. Lossless matters little... uncompressed even less. It's still not high-definition.

24-bit 96 kHz... now that's getting somewhere. All this fuss about 720p vs 1080i/p video quality, and we still settle for mediocre audio. Funny...

High-definition is the whole package... or at least it should be.

"but its CRAZY compressed video"

I can understand your point if its bad because of this but compression doesnt always = s***. I am more interested in actually seeing this for myself though so I could make a judgement bad sadly I cant

Is there much of a public demand for on demand hd? I suspect it may be early days for them so they have not invested heavily in really laying out the hd carpet.
When the movie isnt a catalog title, is it notibly good?

That's something that I don't know. I will say this: Considering that Comcast only has a handful of broadcast HD channels (a grand total of 28 in my area), it's nice to have the ability to have access to the content on demand. They're promising a fair sized increase in the broadcast HD networks over the next 3 months, but we'll just have to wait and see how that goes.

As for the quality of newer movies, it's decent...nowhere near the clarity of an HD DVD or BR disc, but still much better than standard def or upconverted DVD. Because of the compression, there can be some artifacts and 'smearing'.

Another plus that I should have mentioned in the first response to your question: with the exception of the movies that are currently in their pay-per-view cycle (and the odd concert), there isn't any additional charges to access it (beyond the monthly bill and digital box rental).

Scott it seems bn needs to add a 'tutorial' for people to read when they create new accounts. Clearly they cant read the 'Post a reply' button without one.

This thread has just became one long messed up one.
Does anyone else think its odd that theres been a flood of new people posting the same bulls*** recently on both sides? :( Starting to really think about what hollywood used to say..

I agree.

The only reason I fussed about it earlier is because I'm actually interested in what (most) everyone has to say, and would like to follow along with their conversations in a somewhat coherent manner.

Now you've got certain people posting new topics while replying to someone else further down the thread just to get noticed, and it screws up the whole flow of the conversations.

If you're going to respond to someone else's comment, what's so hard about clicking the 'Post a Reply' button? No... it seems they'd rather take the extra effort to actually type out "So-and-so said this, that, and the other thing:"

Back-to-school time, indeed.

blah blah blah...

nt300 is crazy!...
-HD-DVD ran their buy a player get 10(!!) movies for free for months!
-they had 58 titles BOGO on Amazon.com for weeks
http://gizmodo.com/gadge...ds-at-amazon-333191.php

-then when that one ended they ran another one
http://gizmodo.com/33804...get-one-hd-dvd-sale-yet

i can keep posting links to more HD-DVD sales if you want..don't fool yourself into thinking blu-ray only sold more movies because of BOGO sales...and don't fool yourself into thinking Amazon.com has that big of an impact on total sales...if you think it does you're crazy!...

Warner would cater to playstation owners because blu-ray has higher sales than HD-DVD, and the PS3 is the highest selling BD player...simple...i would also love to see where you get your ridiculously hypothetical sales numbers from...i know you are making them up...

anyone making comparisons between cable HD boradcasts and HD Media has lost their minds...720p cable is no where near as good as 720p media...1080i cable is nowhere near as good as 1080i media...and we will probably not see 1080p cable for a LONG time...

Not when BD has something to say about it:

http://www.dvdempire.com...Features/hidef_wars.asp

http://www.dvdempire.com...p;userid=99365868497761

http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-6463_7-6462511-1.html

Ouch! Getting burnt hurts eh? More to come.

12/06 First BOGO for Blu-Ray movies

1/12/07
BOGO @ Best Buy
House of Flying Daggers
Kung Fu Hustle
Black Hawk Down
Monster House
Click
Talladega Nights: Ballad Of Ricky Bobby
Underworld: Evolution

2/4/07 – 2/10/07
BOGO @ Best Buy
CLICK
UNDERWORLD: EVOLUTION
MONSTER HOUSE
HOUSE OF FLYING DAGGERS
INTO THE BLUE
THE FIFTH ELEMENT

2/9/07 – 2/13/07
BOGO @ Fry’s
For $24.99
Click
Silent Hill
Underworld Evolution
Little Man
Monster House
The Benchwarmers
For $19.99
50 First Date
The Big Hit
House of Flying Dagger
THe Fifth Element
Hitch
A Knight's Tale
Into the Blue
Memento
Stealth
XXX
Black Hawk Down
Tears of the Sun*
SWAT
Resident Evil: Apocalypse

3/6/07
50% Off @ Amazon
47 Titles Including:
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The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen
Resident Evil - Apocalypse
50 First Dates
Kingdom Of Heaven
Memento
Speed
Fifth Element
Entrapment
Phone
Behind Enemy Lines
Chain Reaction
The Marine
Hitch
One Last Thing

7/6/07 – 7/10/07
2/$25 @ Fry’s
Curse of the Golden Flower
Black Hawk Down
House of Flying Daggers
Hellboy
Layer Cake
Kung Fu Hustle
Resident Evil: Apocalypse
Tears of the Sun
Identity
Stealth
Into the Blue
XXX
Big Fish
Memento
Donnie Brasco
Closer
Revenge
Hitch
Seven Years in Tibet
Cruel Intentions
Blazing Saddles
Full Metal Jacket
Unforgiven

10/01/07 – 10/20/07
BOGO @ FYE
Pirates of the Caribbean 1+2
Prestige
Apocalypto
Wild Hogs
Reign of Fire
Bridge to Terabithia
Déjà vu
GI Jane
Glory Road
Goal
Jay & Silent Bob Strike Back
King Arthur
The Queen
The Wild
Annapolis
The Lookout
Brothers Grimm
Casanova
The Great Raid

10/15 – 10/21
$9.99 @ Fry’s
Bram Stoker's Dracula
Fifth Element
Replacement Killers
A Few Good Men
Memoirs of a Geisha
Underworld
Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within
House of Flying Daggers
Hitch
Immortal Beloved
King Fu Hustle
Resident Evil: Apocalypse
Tears of the Sun
Layer Cake
Curse of the Golden Flower
Donnie Brasco
Blackjawk Down
Hellboy
Wild Things
The Patriot

10/15/07 – 10/22/07
BOGO @ Deepdiscountdvd.com
Disney titles including:
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Apocalypto
Bridge to Terabithia
Chicago
Chicken Little
Déjà vu
…and many more

10/15 – 10/21
BOGO @ Circuit City
INCLUDES:
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Finding Neverland
G.I. Jane
Haunted Mansion
House of Flying Daggers
Into the Blue
Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back
King Arthur
Knights Tale, A
Kung Fu Hustle
Layer Cake
Memento
Remember the Titans
Resident Evil: Apocalypse
Stealth
Tears of the Sun
Annapolis
Apocalypto
Bridge to Terabithia
Brothers Grimm
Casanova
Casino Royale
Chicago
Chicken Little
Click
Dark Water
Deja Vu
Dinosaur
Eight Below
Enemy of the State
Flightplan
Glory Road
Gone in 60 Seconds
Great Raid, The
Guardian, The
Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy
Invincible
Ladder 49
Lookout
Open Season
Pearl Harbor
Pirates of the Carribean: Curse of the Black Pearl
Pirates of the Carribean: Dead Man's Chest
Prestige, The
Primevil
Pursuit of Happyness
Queen, The
Reign of Fire
Rocky Balboa
Silent Hill
Sky High
Stranger than Fiction
Talladega Nights
Ultraviolet
Underworld Evolution
Wild Hogs
Wild, The

10/15 – 10/21
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Wild Hogs
Eight Below
POTC 1 and 2
Gone in 60 Seconds
The Lookout
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Apocolypto
Deja Vu
Guardian
The Prestige
Enemy of the State

10/15 – 10/21
BOGO @ Amazon.com
Enemy of the State
The Queen
The Lookout
Pearl Harbor
Wild Hogs
Reign of Fire
Dark Water
Primeval
Dinosaur
The Wild
Eight Below
POTC: DMC
POTC: BP
Invincible
POTC: DMC
POTC: BP
…and more

10/15 – 10/21
BOGO @ TARGET
Wild Hogs
Apocalypto
Wild Hogs
Pirates 1 & 2
…and many more

11/9 – 11/15
BOGO @ Futureshop
20 Disney titles
Includes:
Ladder 49
Apocolypto
Déjà vu
Pirates 1&2
The Prestige
…and more

11/11/07
BOGO @ Fry’s
20 Disney titles
Includes:
Apocalypto
Deju Vu
Pirates of the Caribbean (both volumes)
The Prestige
Wild Hogs
…and many more

11/11/07
BOGO @ Amazon
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40 Disney titles (including Apocalypto, The Prestige, Pirates 1 & 2)

11/15/07
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11/16 - 11/25/07
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Eragon
Fantastic 4
Transporter
Transporter 2
Flyboys
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From Hell
Hills Have Eyes 2
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11/16/07
$9.99 @ Fry’s
Bram Stoker's Dracula
Hollow Man
The Fifth Element (REMASTERED)
The Replacement Killers
A Few Good Men
Underworld
Memoirs Of A Geisha
Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within
The Patriot
Wild Things
Hellboy
Donnie Brasco
Curse Of The Golden Flower
Layer Cake
Tears Of The Sun
Black Hawk Down
Resident Evil: Apocolypse
The House Of Flying Daggers
Kung Fu Hustle
Stealth

11/19/07
55% Off @ Amazon

12/16
BOGO @ Best Buy
BOGO @ amazon

12/26
Up to 50% Off Blu-Ray
on many titles including
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1/1/08 BOGO@amazon
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including Harry Potters,
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The bluray BOGOF sales that is way more than hd-dvd sucker!

Yes, I know HD DVD ran the Buy one player and get 10 free HD DVD movies. And right after that the BDA copied HD DVD and done the same thing. There is nothing wrong with trying to promote a format, but my point was the BDA has done a s*** load more BOGO sales than the HD DVD Promo Group. The BDA did them on purpose due to the FACT they did not want HD DVD to win any week in 2007.

And proof of this is the week of the Transformers HD DVD release date. The BDA went nuts with massive BOGO sales, and the BDA just beat HD DVD with a 51:49 - According to some industry sources HD DVD should have won that week with 80:20 at the least because they've sold more than 190,000 Transformers HD DVD copies in one week’s time (90,000 on the 1st day of release date). Transformers HD DVD still holds the record for most Hi Def disc sold in 1 day & in 1 week.

Thank you for the proof. Let’s just see what the Blu-Ray Fan Boys think of it. Without the BOGO sales HD DVD would have sold more in several weeks. BOGO is not a good way of measuring actual disc sales and this is why the Neilson Video Scan is completely corrupted. Should not be taken seriously.

Blu-Ray has done better due to massive BOGO sales. But I already know many will just reject the fact that this tactic has kept Blu alive.

It's not a maybe, it's a fact. The more and more I respond and listen to the cryouts of the DUDs, the more and more I can tell that they need to learn more about BD. Its the lack of knowledge and being close minded to the dead technology is the DUDs focus. Please step out of the box and start reading. Hey, even CNET.com is suggesting its readers to not buy HD DUD players anymore. As a reputable consumer site such as CNET can even see it, and they are neither BD nor DUD supports. If you want, we can start throwing links of stats, sites, sales, etc. and let's do the walk to walk. I'm just afraid that the DUD team might have a hard time finding links that will support their claim. "Make me feel better"? LOL! I guess if I feel better, what that makes you feel? And BTW, damn, straight I'm TRU BLU and proud of it. What that makes you, DUDe?

"Please step out of the box and start reading"

Start with reading the button that says 'Post Your Comment' ....

I don't want to, I have as much rights as everyone here to start it as a new comment if I want to. You can ignore it, respond to it, or leave it. Here, have a Kleenex.

And why wouldnt you? It makes look look foolish...
Dont try and spew rights bulls*** to me. If your old enough to read your old enough to understand and follow at least basic common sense.

Foolish smoolish...whatever. We're getting off topic here. Yes I am old enough, old enough to stand on my rights and opinions jsut like everybody else in here that's fo sho'. Common sense? It's the pot calling the kettle black again.

"It's the pot calling the kettle black again"
Right, because that makes complete sense in this little thread doesn’t it?
Hey at least you learnt how to use the reply button.
I wonder why you haven’t given up yet after the image you gave yourself at AVS. Remember that stuff you posted there? It’s the sort of stuff Joey used to post here. Here's something to quote that you said:

"Originally Posted by ogscorpion
For your information, this is a fact. If you come to read and know the architecture of the HD DVD design, it follows the base DVD architecture. It is using an ultraviolet laser eye with shorter wavelength which roots from the current CD and DVD players, thus being a DVD on steroids. While Blu-ray on the other hand uses a blue laser eye which HAS a shorter wavelength than the standard red laser used in CD and DVD players"

yeah you are real creditable. It is comon knowledge that both formats use a blue laser. Just like all the other blind mindless fans of either side

Did he actually say that?

LOL

Gosh, I can't believe I'm so famous now (pat pat on the back). I'm only posting replies only for you coz you are my favorite DUD person. And yes I do stand on my post on AVS. Have you read the whole thing and not just an excerpt? Hope you do. Have you also read blu-ray.com postings? HDDVD.com postings of mine? Amazon postings as well? You better start hitting them sites and get back to me with a full report student. Blind mindless, you are talking about you and your HD DUD fandoms right? Hehe....loosers.

When that excerpt is clearly delusional misinformed nonsense, why would he continue to read more?

You show no reason for anyone to believe you offer any credibility with what you have to say, and it shows more and more with how you choose to say it.

Yeah he did, said a lot of stupid things which he 'stepped' away from. Especially on AVS, search the forum to see for yourself. Mr HD-DVD is only dvd on steriods himself

Ah then you are going to be dissapointed when I tell you i am not a 'hd-dud' person. I enjoy my dvd's and occasional hd download but other than that I hardly even watch movies and tv :)
For the record yes I did read the part where you tried to dig yourself out
"Using the same laser technology yes I agree but just as I stated and you just re-word it, Blu-ray beams on a closer focus than the HD DVD laser eye does. Thus, giving the technology for Blu-ray a start from scratch and not from the basis of the DVD design. Therefore, makes it a better format"

So now a red laser is the same technology as a blue laser or are you admitting you ****ed up there?

Nah, I'll take your word for it if you don't mind. I have no desire to waste my time looking elsewhere for more gibberish from the likes of him when they're posting more than enough of it here. :)

With everyone here already desensitized to this kind of nonsense from 'Steve-jamin Deac-aid', this poor "looser" doesn't stand a chance.

Nope. No f ups there man. It's just because I didn't mention anything about blue laser that doesn't mean I meant red laser for HD DUD. And I'm not digging myself out of something, you are trying to put words or perceptions on me which does not work. Anyways, you know what I mean (if you are smart). Anyhoo, back to the topic: I am, however a proud BD Fanboy as well as you are a proud DUD slave. I am the positive, you are the negative. It is the equation that balance the feud. With all said and done, you DUDs are simply on denial and still clings on DUD facts that still hopes that DUD can still revive itself from back-to-back-to-back rejection of most major studios and mos consumers. If the DUDley boyz thinks that most consumers are not smart enough choosing BD over DUD, then that is your opinion. Hmmmm, let me see, majority being dumb vs minority being smart....that just does not compute at all. Sorry. It's pretty understandable the way all of you sorry DUDs feel....I'm with you there. It's just so interesting (and that is why this war goes on) that ya'll doesn't want to accept the truth. BD will, as I stated several times, be the successor of DVD, period. Anybody here (and that includes you) that says otherwise is a fool.

Speak for yourselves. I'm not the one on the loosing side of the HD war. I just feel sorry for all of y'all denial to the truth. The writings on the wall people. BD will have more than 70% of HiDef movie market by the end of May. And you know what that means (kaching kaching). So long DUDs, we will have a nice eulogy for y'all.

"BD will have more than 70% of HiDef movie market by the end of May"

You know...70% of .05% is nothing to wet your panties over.

On the other hand, I'm pretty sure you and steve are the only two here that care THAT much about the subject...I know you must be lonely, so whatever gets you through the day, I guess.

"Anyhoo, back to the topic: I am, however a proud BD Fanboy as well as you are a proud DUD slave. I am the positive, you are the negative"

Yes, nice try but sorry again you failed this time at reading.

LOL....you DUDs are sooo funny. My condolences to yours and your dead technology. One suggestion: early retirement?

This just proves HD DUDs stupidity. Where the heck did you get that fact? No wonder HD DUDs lost due to people like you who doesn't know what their talking about. Tsk tsk. You and others are one of the reasons why they fail. I was going to school you on why 70% of the HiDef movie media but being as dumb as you are, it is pointless.

"Hey, even CNET.com is suggesting its readers to not buy HD DUD players anymore...

If you want, we can start throwing links..."

Sure, have at it. I cannot seem to find the one you mention about CNET telling its readers not to buy HD DVD players. Perhaps you can manage to post something of value for a change?

The most relevant one I've managed to find is this:

http://crave.cnet.com/83...840585-1.html?tag=prmo1

...which states:

Does this spell the end for HD DVD? If I had to give a yes or no answer, I'd have to say yeah, it's probably curtains. The fact is, with the lack of studio support, it's very hard to recommend to readers to buy an HD DVD player, even if it is half the price of a Blu-ray machine. All that said, things have looked bleak for Toshiba and HD DVD before and they've managed to scrap their way back into contention, so you never know.

Surely you do not mean to suggest that "hard to recommend" and "do not buy" are one in the same?

As far as your "reputable consumer site" comment, for the most part I agree. However, the very next line after the excerpt I quoted reads as follows:

Feel free to weigh in after you read the full press release from Warner, which I've posted below via The Digital Bits

Yeah... okay. No bias there. I'm soo sorry I doubted you... LOL

"I was going to school you on why 70% of the HiDef movie media but being as dumb as you are, it is pointless."

Lame cop-out. That's one of the funniest things I've read all day. Let me guess... it's the 'macho' way of saying "I can't prove it, but you'll never know"? Are you 12?

By the way, with grammar like that, who exactly do you expect to "school"? Concentrate on finishing (or going back to) school first.

http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-6463_7-6462511-1.html

Read and weep.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/...2ac.html?nclick_check=1

Here's one of 'em. Read again and weep. My grammar may not be the best, but you do understand what I'm sayin'. Going back to school...bleh. YOU need some tech 101 lessons DUDe. Tell your momma to stop typing for you and learn computer 101. You and your zombie followers.

Riiight.. if my sd dvd collection is classified is dead technology now then the vast majority of consumers have a problem

Nice try. You may not like it but that 'dud' format played a very important part in blu-ray market penetration. Those 'bogo' sales would have little reason to exist for early adopters.

I dunno scorpion...nothing in that link explains how having 70% of .05% market share is some kind of massive breakthrough...maybe you want to "school" us a little bit?

"No wonder HD DUDs lost due to people like you who doesn't know what their talking about."
Excuse me? Do you read what you even post? Aparently you have a crystal ball that tells you who is a hd-dvd fan too because you have done a bang on job picking them out *sarcasm*

One day you may wake up and realise that the world is not divided into two peices and that there actually is common sense in the middle. You even admited yourself your a blu fanboy.

Please tell me you are not 31 years old...

For once I agree with you. Without the DUD, there is no war and feud. That's one thing I like about this format war, for each camp to prove each other's best. It brings out the best and worst of both worlds.

The reason why SD DVD is not classified as a dead technology yet is due to the fact that there are still consumers out there that are still neutral, does not know alot about this HD stuff or the price factor which is cheaper. That, eventually will change and go away, like any other technology that comes and goes.

"The reason why SD DVD is not classified as a dead technology yet is due to the fact that there are still consumers out there that are still neutral, does not know alot about this HD stuff or the price factor which is cheaper. That, eventually will change and go away, like any other technology that comes and goes."

I agree with that also. But you wont believe me I am neutral also. I dont even have a bloody TV nor any interest with one for the near future. Everything I watch is highlights on the internet or other internet media

I think we are mixing apples and oranges here. In high-level, the 70% market share is the overall high definition movie share that Warner will boost by end of May. You may already know this but Warner Bros. is the biggest producer of DVD movies as of late. Hence the market margin for the Blu Ray media will reach 70 percent starting June of this year. Now that only Uni and Par have exlusive to HD DVD, with Warner still producing it until end of May, there overall market share on movie releases to HD DVD combined after May will be around 30 percent of the overall market.

Huh?

I will say... you are amusing.

By the looks of things, I could probably type better than you using nothing but an iPhone, a swim fin, and a head of lettuce. :)

Again, having 70% of a marketshare of 1% is hardly anything to brag about, its not over until the last hd-dvd movie is made.

If you don't mind me asking, why don't you have one?

Please please please. Can someon explain to me where are you getting that 1%? Can you provide some links please to prove it? I'm dying to know where this came from. I'm sooo curious about this 1% gibberish.

the continued use of "HD-DUD", really are you 11 years old

or just another alias that we call dave/steve/joey/

Can't speak for him, but it is getting more and more common speaking purely from experience. Several folks I know rarely watch their TVs anymore. They download the content and watch it when they find the time.

It's actaully kind of cool to consider that perhaps the age of sitting in front of the tube from 5pm to 10pm every night might finally be passing...

http://www.usatoday.com/...vd-sales-slippage_N.htm

"As for high-definition discs, so far they amount to about 1% of the home-video market (about $300 million)."

As PC tool says, If there is something I really want to watch I would download it. Other than that I don’t like to 'plan' to sit in front of a TV religiously every week at the same time to watch the latest episode of house (just an example I don’t watch that show).
I also like to be as portable as possible and a TV does not allow this. I constantly move from place to place, Australia to Japan and back many times it gets beyond frustrating. We have two laptops in our apartment, that’s our media players :)
I used to spend a fortune on gadgets and whatnot but to be honest since I disconnected from that lifestyle, I’ve never been happier.

Yes, I'm glad I no longer spend 5-6 hours sitting in front of the cr@p that passes for TV these days.

I now spend 12-14 hours in front of the computer, watching and doing what I want :)

BTW, this new BN comments format is so cool - the more irrelevant responses get to a comment, the narrower and narrower they get. It's just too bad that they don't entirely disappear after the first three.

Wow DUD spoken just like the blobloods over at bluray.com. The average age over there must be like 12.

You have that backwards its 13.

And you are 10.

I see. Now I fully understand you. Must be nice travelling alot eh? I wish I could do that.

Thank you. This basically translates that BD will have more than 70% (or .70) by June of the 1% market which is a very big deal within this HiDef war.

Yes you have your facts. Yes you have your stats. If you only can step out of the box and look at the BIGGER facts and stats of both formats, it is clear why BD is the choice of the majority. I mean, how can you all say that HD DUD is superior than BD when since Nov of 2006, BD movie sales are outselling HD DUD 2:1 (in some months 3:1). I don't care if you are a movie writer, tech guru, tech veteran ,etc. We are all in this war and in war, there could only be one winner and that is what the majority of tha masses want, BD. Fanboyism? Little kids? Please. It's the pot calling the kettle black. You think all y'all HD DUD supporters are mature enough? You make me laugh. It's okay, we BD fanboys supports and understands you. We can offer counseling. We are here to lend our shoulders for y'all to cry on. I could only imagine the feeling of loosing a format that the masses didn't adopt. It's okay, we still love you guys as you will be, in no shadow of a doubt, will be getting BDs soon.

8 production studios vs 2 production studios. Hmm maybe, just maybe there's more available for bluray which perhaps could possibly lead to more purchases for bluray.

"Yes you have your facts. Yes you have your stats."

Hmm, lets ignore those because you want to believe that Bluray is better.

You state "hd dud" yet you call folks that could care less about either format "fanboys", and make bold statements about maturity.

Masses couldn't give a s*** less about formats, but that's ok we'll believe otherwise so you can feel better.

Oh look, another blublood.

"Happy Blu Year!" - http://www.blu-ray.com/n...ter=rating30&page=3

How well would have blu-ray sold without building it into a game machine?

The format is BEHIND the extras that have been included on hd-dvd from the beginning still haven't shown up in blu-ray, so how is it superior? It has more space, well hd-dvd has the 51 gb now so that point is moot, even with the less space hd-dvd has looked and sounded better then their bd counterparts.

Its a fact that people are using the ps3 as a blu-ray player as the machine still has yet to come out with a game that is moving machines by large margins. It cannot be factored exactly how many, but there's obviousily some as standalones for the blu-ray have not sold as well as hd-dvd players and the majority of which are outdated.

I don't understand how someone can fight over blu-ray when they stated "yeah it wasn't finished but we had to compete with hd-dvd" It's still not finished, AND there is a PERHAPS or POSSIBLY that older players will not be able to play new movies at all. Its only speculation but the fact THEY don't know for sure is pretty damn scary.

You sure use the same expression over and over "its the pot calling the kettle black", I am not sure you know what it means

Universal must be waiting for the big payout those other production studios got. What the heck, half a billion is still half a billion. What warner got btw.
Go blueray. I'll be ready to dive in when you get sub 100 decks out there. Weeeee.... Daddy bigbucks please keep buying BR until they get settled on a priority system like win 3.5 or something. For now I'll just settle for upconverted dvd since I got a cheapo hd player that does okay at that anyway.

This is fantastic news, HD DVD has done more than Blu-Ray will ever accomplish... Go HD DVD ^^

Is it just me or do the Sony fanboys here remind me of little kids that beg their parents for things but dont see the bigger picture. Mummy mummy can i have....these kids grow up to be Sony fanboys I'm sure of it.

So what is ther bigger picture EXACTLY?

As far as I see it, the superior technology, from both the studios and the consumers point of view, has won out, the cheap/inferior format.

Perhaps you casually buy cheap crap, but most of the rest of us like to buy decent kit for decent prices.

Sorry that your HD DVD player purchase did not work out, but with a single format, widespread HD adoption can now commemce..

Welcome back, have not seen you post here for ages now.

"Sorry that your HD DVD player purchase did not work out, but with a single format, widespread HD adoption can now commemce.."

Predicting the future now are we? :)
The 'superior’ argument is getting as old as kids arguing whose father is better, please come up with something new as that has been handled to death now. Seems people just don’t listen

Bold statements, without a shred of evidence to support them. I was in blockbuster last night, and I didn't see them pulling HD from the shelves yet so I the HD-DVD purchases haven't "not worked out" yet.

He never left... but you already knew that. :)

Indeed, glad to have you "back", Steve. It's been boring...

I originally bought a Blu Ray player and returned it because I could not update it. The problem was that certain discs would not play and when I called the manufacturer they basically told me I was out of luck.

Then I found out that HD DVDs are cheaper to produce than Blu Ray. This is why I switched to HD DVD. So all the bragging from Blu Ray about how much space their discs have puzzles me. If BD is so much better then why is that HD DVD is so far ahead when it comes down to extra features.

Also Blu Ray is like a BETA product that is always in development stages. And where Warner Bros is concerned, why would they side with Blu Ray when it's more expensive, less flexible and more difficult to program?

In the end if downloadable HD content really catches on all this bickering may be for not.

Will some of you please learn how to properly reply to other members' posts?

Yes, Blu Ray appears to have won the format war but when many unsuspecting consumers find out that the Blu Ray players they just bought or will buy at reduced prices are already obsolete BD 1.0 will be a phrased that's going to be recognized by many in the next year or so. And that's if BD 1.1 ever becomes a reality.

I was laughing at the demonstration that a Blu Ray rep was trying to give. He was talking about web-enabled features, ring tones, community screening and picture in picture (PIP) as advances of the future. What?!!! Hd DVD has had all those features for a long time. The problem is that many consumers jump on the BD bandwagon because they don't know any better and just because something sells more doesn't make it superior. I feel sorry for all HD fans because unlike the VHS vs Betamax war of the past, corporations not consumers decided this outcome.

As a side note. There is a little secret many HD DVD owners don't know about and it's that you can buy so called Blu Ray exclusive tiles on HD DVD from over seas. I just purchased Underworld Evolution and The Prestige from Europe. That's right! Thank you HD DVD for being region free.

"As a side note. There is a little secret many HD DVD owners don't know about and it's that you can buy so called Blu Ray exclusive tiles on HD DVD from over seas. I just purchased Underworld Evolution and The Prestige from Europe. That's right! Thank you HD DVD for being region free."

I still remember the day that I first posted this, a few months back. I thought Joey was going to have an aneurism over it. It comes down to which company has the distribution rights overseas. Regardless of that fact, it was priceless to watch a few Sony and Fox titles on HD DVD.

For the record, a few of the titles aren't worth the investment (T2 has a forced subtitle when you play the English audio track); but overall, I've been really happy with the titles that I've imported. (Silent Hill seems to have a little bit less blockiness in the heavy smoke scenes on HD DVD...might just be me, but it seems like they used a different source for the encode.)

No Blu-ray players are obsolete. The profiles have aways been on the table, and been finalised for over a year now.

Even BD Profile 1.0 players will play future movies without problem, so please lessof the FUD...

Finalized for over a year? They've recently proven that they haven't even been "final" on the names of the profiles.

It doesn't matter though. They haven't implemented the profiles properly, and that's the point... no manufacturer has. It's because no one seems to be on the same page. Every manufacturer seems to have their own ideas on how to best implement what should have been included from the start in all Blu-ray players.

Some "finished standard" that is...

"No Blu-ray players are obsolete."

Can a profile 1.0 standalone player play all of the content on a 'bonus view' or 'Live' disc, as it's presented (PIP or on the web)? No? Then it's obsolete...

"The profiles have aways been on the table, and been finalised for over a year now."

Maybe they've been on the table, but I can assure you of something. Months after the announcement of profile 1.1, salespeople in 3 of my local electronics stores had NO idea what it was. They'd never heard of it, and continued to push profile 1.0 players. I can find nothing in any of the press material, for BR's launch, that mentions anything about additional profiles. If you can, please post a link.

"Even BD Profile 1.0 players will play future movies without problem,..." Really? So the comments on web forums from stand-alone owners, claiming that with each firmware update, their player takes longer and longer to load a movie are BS? The stand-alone owners that couldn't play FF RotSS and Day After Tomorrow (because of BD+) were lying? That video of someone trying to play the Liar's Dice game on PotC was fiction? Please. With the problems that BR encountered in it's first year, in regards to stand-alones being compatable with profile 1.0 discs are reason enough to question this claim.

Setian^Stalker: Your Quote:
""I can say with 100% accuracy that by far the most ridiculous comments on this news site have been from the blu camp. Any long time reader here would back me up on that claim.""

I would have to greatly agree with you. It just shows you the young demographic of Blu-Ray owners. They are well knows as PlayStation 3 Fan Boys just for clarification.

Get's you thinking why Warner would cater to the PlayStation 3 demographic instead of people that actually purchased HD DVD hardware & software because they wanted to without being forced.

HD DVD consumer base = Theatre & movie buffs along with the average mom & pop
Blu-Ray consumer base = children with the Play Station 3 as the majority.

There are no facts to face, if Blu-Ray wins this Hi Def format war, than you can kiss HDM good bye. Blu-Ray will never take over SD DVD. You all can dream but it isn’t happening.

And for the people that said I don't know what I am talking about? I am a movie writer, I know enough about the film industry thank you.

If you look at the year 2007 as a whole, you will see that Blu-Ray outnumbers HD DVD in BOGO sales by 25 to 5. Amazon.com was not the only retailer that issues massive Blu-Ray BOGO sales.

If the BDA did not issue BOGO sales, HD DVD would have outsold Blu-Ray in movie sales by more than 5:1. Why else do you think the BDA had so many sales? The studio I work for already made deals with the BDA for our films to go up on sale for BOGO's.

HD DVD lead in attach rate by a factor of 4:1 while Blu-Ray lost by a factor of 0.6:1 - Sorry I know my facts do you?

HD DVD is not going anywhere anytime soon Thank You. Anything said is baseless speculation. Until Toshiba releases a press release nobody really knows. Here at the Studio the majority is rooting for HD DVD even though it’s a Blu-Only studio “for now” lol

All of you HD DVD lovers: Please face the facts. Your team has lost. It does not matter how much you gloat on your camp and how much you would like to keep HD DVD fighting, the hidef tech industry will move on with BD with or without you, just like laserdisc fans, DivX fans and betamax fans and now HD DUD supporters, you will be left behind, period. You cannot ignore the superiority of BD when the majority of the consumers, backed up by almost all studios in the world, have chosen it as the superior successor to DVD given the sales and a reliability of BD. This majority of consumers that chose BD over HD DUD can't be wrong. It's a simple proof that a superior successor over a 'DVD on steroids', aka, HD DUD have been chosen and I'm not talking about the red pill. You can ignore and disagree all you want and hope to HD like a false prophet that it will come on top at the end, you will all be getting BD players in the near future when HD DUD became a thing of the past as it will be the ONLY HD player that will be available in the market, unless that you are a caveman and stick with the DUD player.

"Please face the facts"

Thats exactly the problem the blu side seems to be having... because the facts do not say they won.

This seems to me like just another case of the blu boys hoping that if they keep repeating "HD DVD is dead", then maybe it'll come true.

Don't worry BD lov, when holographic optical drives with over a 100 TBite of storage space hit the market BRay will look like video cassette. Then I'll be able to store everything on a single disk. Maybe I'll put my brain on a HGO. I think Toshiba should start looking at this Technology since HD seems a waste of thier talent now.

We don't have to say that we've won. It's the CNETs, the CNN's, the major studios and the techno sites that are watching this format war have declared BD the successor and winner. There is no single article out there that can prove sales numbers of HD media format that HD DUD dominated BD media sales. I put my entire 401k on the line for that.

"The majority of people will just stay with standard DVD and an upscaler" If HD DVD fails I for one hope it goes this way. I would rather put money into that then SONY
"all are 1080i except for a couple that are 720p " BFG the difference between the two is something that people can live with for a year. It's not like the difference is substantial. I would be happy with the picture, I for one am more concerned about the Sound and is the only reason why I moved into the HD Market
I question your theology as to why you think that the POS3 is such a remarkable console and "radical" there are many games which fail in comparison to the 360 version. IE Orange box in which Valve wanted nothing to do with the POS3 version and it was left to EA to port over (which they did a poor job of) or COD4 where there are more bugs in that version than in the 360 version.

"The PS3 is EASILY the best value in the console war"
Yea your right 17 + Million people world wide chose the wrong console and now with 10 million new accounts on xboxlive.

I bet most of the people own a HD player not a console. Why would people choose to goto a console when they plan to use it as a movie device and not as a console itself.

People have hated for Sony because of problems they have had with them in the past. I refuse to purchase any more products from them because of those experiences as well as the crap they push now with their blue ray players. I wouldn't be surprised if POS3 finally sells the numbers of consoles as the 360 does; no doubt by that time there will be a new generation console and people will be moving on.

why are HD-DVD people being so ridiculous about this. I have blu ray, but if Warner had just gone exclusive to HD-DVD i'd be mad but more importantly i want a single winner to come out of this. Whether your chosen format wins or loses, it's best overall that one format wins. If this format war continues any longer..the market for HD movies is going to dry up. The majority of people will just stay with standard DVD and an upscaler. I don't have anything against HD-DVD, it looks similar to blu ray...they are both way better than DVD. Let's just unite under 1 format so that the rest of the market soon follows. At this point blu ray has the big advantage because of Warner going exclusive, so let's stick with that. The people who bought HD-DVD knew what they were getting into, that it was a format war and they might lose. It's a risk we all took, it's just a few hundred dollars not a big deal.

because they all have a blind hatred of Sony...pathetic really...if HD-DVD had proven to be the winner...i would have kept my 20 something BD's...bought a stand alone HD-DVD player and moved on...thats how it should be...these people were so convinced that Sony would lose that now they can't accept it...Hollywood and his inside information...

Not everyone who trys to bring the 'blu people' back to reality are hd-dvd people.
I dont have either format nor do I support either. I know which one I believe to be more consumer friendly but that's it.
I can say with 100% accuracy that by far the most ridiculous comments on this news site have been from the blu camp. Any long time reader here would back me up on that claim.

Met, trust me on this...not everyone 'blindly hates' Sony. Their actions over the last 2 years (rootkits, the initial denial of exploding batteries, the lies leading up to the launch of the PS3...plus it's obnoxious hype machine) are all valid reasons for someone to keep an eye on them.

I'll give them credit where it's due. I prefer the PS3's media extender capabilities to the 360's (although I prefer my XBMC overall). The games that are good, are very good (R&C, Drake...).

AHA! After all this rambling and gibberish from you, you don't even have either format. You based your facts and beliefs to what you've read, not from what you've experienced, piloted or tested. I, for a fact does own both format and THAT is why I know HD DUD players sucks! My PS3 works light years better than the Toshiba A2 that I got for my bday last year. If it wasn't a present, I wouldn't have it. I'm not a gamer, no. I don't own an XBox 360 for millions of reasons (that's another topic). I bought the PS3 (yes, I can afford it) due to its Blu-Ray feature, not for gaming. And you know what, yeah you are not alone. Now I know that the majority of HD DUD fanboys here are the same as you, none owners who likes to use someone else's opinions and beliefs, not by their own experience. Why don't you start saving and bench test the units or unit that you like and let experience do the talking next time. Come back when you already have hands-on experience of the technology like some of us. Until then, you are a fake, garbage talker that is full of hot air. Your mouth is writing checks but your a$$ can't cash.

Never tried to push an opinion based on experience (or lack of since I don’t have either format). Nor do I claim that blu-ray is an inferior product. HD is clearly quite an impressive product in either form.
I'm a simple consumer. I thought that much was clear at least

The difference is fanboys are blindly supportive of their chosen format. They even admit that by accusing the other side. How can a fanboy be completely honest and creditable? Answer is they cant, they are the real fakes. They start rumors, they ignore facts and focus on their own positives and turn the other side into negatives.
And the best part for them? Because of who they are they dont have to admit that, they just keep blindly denying - like you do. Meanwhile everyone in the middle can spot them a mile away.

At the end of the day, its their job. You only do precisly what the blu-ray side wants you to do.

I for one would LOVE to have an intelligent sensible blu-ray support on this site to come up with some decent construction discussion about their format without twisting statements and words. It has happened in the past but those people never stick. We seem to have an abundance of people who make the same gramma mistakes and ‘accidentally’ reply to the wrong message.

You have an account on blu-ray.com. Tell me how you can honestly participate with that site? Reading all those comments there you tell me they are not kids…. The problem is fanboys don’t do themselves any credit

By the way, there are some well structured arguments from hd-dvd fans towards the bottom of the comments. No one blu has attempted to disprove their facts. Why don’t you have a go?

oh some of you are funny....

nt300: has no idea what he is even talking about....HD-DVD had PLENTY of BOGO sales of their own....plain and simple Blu-ray outsold HD-DVD 2:1 for the entire year...there was not a single week that HD-DVD outsold blu-ray...even when Transformers was released they could not win a week...who cares about attach rates. its a meaningless stat...all that matters is sales period...and in that area blu-ray dominates...who cares what the top selling player is...the fact remains...there are more blu-ray discs in homes, there are more blu-ray players in homes...and there are more studios exclusive to blu-ray....I can't wait till spring time to see the sales in the first week of total Warner exclusivity Universal, Paramount and Toshiba will all need to change their underwear....neither blu-ray or hd-dvd will surpass sd-dvd until HDTV becomes the standard...and that is a few years off...but it took quite some time before DVD outsold VHS...if HD Media does not pass SD-DVD eventually then it was the fault of format who ends up holding on and sabotaging the industry (whether that ends up being the BDA or HD-DVD)...

alleykat...your price comments are skewed by the absolute cheapness of current options...you have to attempt to think back to the price of DVD players just one year into their life cycle...blu-ray players are positively cheap compared to DVD players at the time...remember...the PS2 was a key player in DVD getting into homes...and that was $300 at launch...

darkzero63: come on man....#1 call your cable company and ask them when they plan on bringing HD on demand to your area...might be a little surprised at the answer...2nd...i'll bet you it isn't 1080p...there are ZERO 1080p broadcasts in the United States...all are 1080i except for a couple that are 720p (the ESPN family of networks broadcast in 720p)...and even if it was 1080p it would offer NOTHING on the quality of Blu-ray or HD-DVD...even at 1080p resolutions the cable broadcasts would be very compressed, and would lack the uncompressed lossless audio of the High Def Media....

The PS3 is EASILY the best value in the console war...and as with the format war blind hatred of Sony does not allow some of you to see it...to match the capabilities of the PS3 out of the box you need to add on enough products to the 360 to make it more expensive than the PS3...the Wii can't be "suped up" with add ons to even reach the core 360's abilities...Microsoft missed the boat with making HDM standard on the 360, and chances are it would have killed blu-ray had they included an HD-DVD drive as standard, the sheer amount of 360's in homes would have done in BD....the Wii is an entirely different beast...not aimed at the same people as the 360/PS3...I also love how the PS3 is a POS console lol...now that developers have started using the PS3 as the lead console for development any multi-play issues should be ironed out. The PS3 is simply harder to develop for, its architecture is very radical...therfore games written for the 360 are not easily ported to the PS3, it is much easier to go the other way...are we going to see the PS3 surpass the 360 visually? maybe...but probably not...the 360 is a super capable machine and visuals are for the most part a wash between the two...there are pros and cons to both systems (the 360 seems to end up with some "plasticy" looking textures with overdone lighting, while the PS3 sometimes ends up with slightly washed out colors that don't seem to POP enough...) We shall see in the coming year how things truly play out...the PS3 sold just about the same amount of consoles in its first year as the 360 did...and now that the 2 are competitively priced incomparison to eachother we shall see how it plays out...the 360 has been out for 12 months longer, and SHOULD have more solid AAA titles...but the PS3 should start to gain on the 360 over the next 12 months (Resistance 2 being announced in this month's game informer mag, Haze, Killzone 2, Gran Turismo 5) not to mention it looking like blu-ray will be the winner (as of now) will help move PS3 simply because it is becoming more widely known that the ps3 is a very capable player that CAN have its profile updates through firmware updates...and Sony has announced that it now costs $400 to produce one PS3 which is nearly HALF of what it originally cost them...they have not said if that is the 80GB or the 40GB (I assume 40GB) but that being said...Sony is now at the least breaking even on 40GB PS3's and probably turning a SMALL profit on 80GB units sold...this impreses me considering the original xbox NEVER made a profit, and the PS3 is only a little over a year old...

"The PS3 is EASILY the best value in the console war"

Can we bring your sales argument in to this picture? I dont own either consoles anymore but I can clearly see the consumer does not agree with you. Twice the numbers

well considering the 360 has been out twice as long i think that seems about right...and remember....everywhere but the US the PS3 outsells the 360...the 360 is only popular in the states...

the Wii is a whole different beast...not aimed at the same demographic...

"well considering the 360 has been out twice as long i think that seems about right..."

Typical Sony zealot excuse. The 360 will always be 1 year ahead of the PS3, so you can always use that excuse in the future! If the PS3 were as great as you think, it would have absolutely no problems catching up with the Xbox360, despite the 1 year head start. The Wii certainly had no problem doing that. Typically a new console will sell the most units in its first year, yet the PS3 couldn't even break 50% of what the Xbox360 sold in 2 years. That really has to tell you something.

"and remember....everywhere but the US the PS3 outsells the 360...the 360 is only popular in the states..."

Are you kidding me? It's easy to spew nonsense like this without any hard evidence to back up your claim. Last I checked, the Xbox360 is STILL outselling the PS3 in WORLD WIDE sales. It's rather embarrassing, considering the fact that the Xbox360 has been on the market a year longer than the PS3 and still manages to outsell it month after month. When you say "everywhere but the US the PS3 outsells the 360" we all know you really just mean Japan. Again, the only numbers that matter are WORLD WIDE sales. Not units shipped, not units sold in a certain region within a certain time frame. Show any credible source that proves the PS3 outsold the 360 world wide during any month with the exception of December. That's right, you can't.

"the Wii is a whole different beast...not aimed at the same demographic..."

Of course it is. Any cheap console that embarrasses Sony on their home turf as badly as the Wii did, has to be discredited by their hardcore fans every chance they get.

I didnt want to bring wii into it as I agree but my twice the numbers comment was spot on about 360, and kashin below answered that.

I believe there are parts of europe where the ps3 may be doing a bit better than the 360 but yeah it's pretty obvious the 360 has been doing overall better.

"Any cheap console that embarrasses Sony on their home turf as badly as the Wii did, has to be discredited by their hardcore fans every chance they get."

Well said...

I have a Toshiba HD-A2 $99.00 special, damm good player. I rent HD-DVD from Netflix. If HD-DVD goes "belly up" so what, I still have a great up-converting dvd player at a reasonable price! I'll wait til Blu-ray has a player for $99.00...

"I'll wait til Blu-ray has a player for $99.00..."

Don't hold your breath. We'll probably have some new format out before that ever happens.

I don’t doubt it will happen but it won’t be by one of the mainstream manufacturers. By that time there most likely won’t be any competition to keep the mainstream cheap.
Remember the first really cheap dvd players? Pieces of crap, though I’m not sure of the picture in the US.

Blu-Ray greatly lacks in movie sales. Don't believe the BDA's propaganda & delusion. All they've done is create numerous Buy One, Get One Free sales. Without these manipulating sales they would have never sold more movies than HD DVD.

I’ve already mentioned attach rates, HD DVD is superior in that category, and Toshiba currently is not going to neglect more than 1+ million HD DVD SAL player owners. That million is growing by the day.

And I’ve said it once and I will say it again without the PS3 Blu-Ray would have died long ago. Would you prefer a format driven by a bunch of gamers? Or theatre buffs like me who love HDM?
HD DVD is hear to stay unless Toshiba throws in the towel, so right now this is all baseless speculation...

The writing's already at the wall son. BD has won. It's over. With a huge market takeover on their movie sales plus all (with an exception of Par and Uni) major studios exclusively supports it, it's a done deal. HD DUDs can only hope. It's just a matter of time. Prediction will be less than three years HD DUD will be just like another laserdisc on store shelves. Par and Uni, in time, will first go neutral then exclusive. You'll see.

I think you might be wrong with the 'exclusively supports' comment. I think you'll find if you dig around that although WB have gone to Blu-Ray their movies will still be appearing on HD-DVD also.
Maybe not as much, maybe not as soon, but they will be there.

Also lets not forget, when Blu-Ray 2.0 arrives, people with the old version players will all be screwed. Cool eh ?

they are 100% exclusive...their commitment to HD-DVD runs out this spring...after that ALL Warner films will be released SOLEY on Blu-ray and NEVER see an HD-DVD release periof...this puts the eventual Lord of the Rings high def release as a blu-ray exclusive...not to mention Fox (blu-ray exclusive) is the distributor of the Star Wars films as well...

2.0 will screw nobody....first of all...every one says that all the BD players out there are PS3's...well guess what the PS3 just got its 1.1 update, and is scheuled for its 2.0 update in the coming months...PS3 owners are not screwed...2nd..you will still be able to watch the films on 1.0 players...but not use the 2.0 new features...while that sucks you should realize as an early adopter that things change rapidly...HD-DVD clearly was more prepared on this front....but they coudlnt outsell BD...

"2.0 will screw nobody"
are you really fooling yourself? REALLY?

Show me a darn article on any site that 2.0 will screw 1.0 viewers. I demand proof. I call your bluff. Let's do the walk to walk this time.

http://www.betanews.com/...getting_into/1199841379

Oh my gosh...this is just another proof that HD DUD supporters does not know anything about PS3. Computer software upgrade 101: These are nothing but softwar/firmware upgrade people. Sony's not stupid. This has been addressed by Sony even before CES that PS3 does support 2.0. Read and weep below.

http://www.qj.net/CES-20...re-3-4/pg/49/aid/111142

http://www.betanews.com/...uray_players/1199916734

Stop while you're ahead. You're starting to make Joey and Steve look like rational human beings.

You specifically asked for proof that people who owned profile 1.0 standalone players were getting screwed..."Show me a darn article on any site that 2.0 will screw 1.0 viewers. I demand proof. I call your bluff. Let's do the walk to walk this time." Your request had nothing to do with PS3 owners. I provided the information you asked for, with an article that has comments from members of the BDA to support the fact that not only are they getting screwed, but the BDA knew this from the start. I'm sorry if that information somehow offends your sensibilities.

Read my previous update and the second link I provided. I appreciate your feedback but I just put a counter strike on it by giving my own facts to protect my own. No offense.

I'm not offended (hell, I even appreciate a good debate rather than trying to talk to someone who's in 'attack mode').

You're links don't help your arguement, that someone who owns a 1.0 player is screwed by the 2.0 profile (in fact, they help prove the point, with the Panasonic reps quote).

How about you show me proof that players with profile 1.0 and 1.1 can fully support and play all 2.0 features. Not one blu-ray fan who calls himself honest can prove that. You seemed to have missed the bus because most have already aknowledged this while you keep denying.

I am well aware PS3 can be upgraded to 2.0, I never said anything about PS3

Trust me, a firmware update will resolve these issues.

Riiight... because as everyone knows, for every Blu-ray player that does not have a PlayStation 3 logo on it, firmware updates magically add extra memory and secondary audio and video decoders.

*sigh*

Trust is not given... it's earned.

You'll see.

Keep dreaming if people think Universal is leaving HD DVD. Won't happen anytime soon. They are 2nd in command of the HD DVD Promo Group and HD DVD already sold more than 1+ million SAL players. HD DVD's attach rates is also 4:1 vs. BD's 0.6:1 - Is HD DVD going to die off? NO not in a million years. Once those 1+ million start buying HD DVD movies the tables will turn and once again the consumer will be able to choose what they want to buy not what Sony & Warner want you to buy.

Mark my words Blu-Ray will never succeed SD DVD.

Attach rates are meaningless in this case... Sorry.

More of the same in 2008 like 2007...
http://www.engadgethd.co...for-week-ending-january/

Universal is going BLU and HDDVD????
http://gizmodo.com/34373...y-imminent-says-variety

You're a complete moron if you believe anything variety has to say on this topic given their past misinformation on it.

2 Comments...

1. I never said I believed it. I'm just saying that vague denial of rumors will not stop rumors.

2. You my friend are a complete moron if you trust anything THIS site has to say.

What the hell I'll add one more....
3. Honestly. Do you really believe that HDDVD can still win & do you honestly believe that Universal will stay exclusive to hddvd for the rest of the year?

"2. You my friend are a complete moron if you trust anything THIS site has to say."

Small problem with that. This site has never intended to mislead and if something was wrong it always does get updated. And you forget something else, this site sources its news FROM the source itself. They always attempt to get confirmations from the sources.
But lets be honest, you allready know that because you decided to hang around here. Deep down you love betanews

1. I never said I believed it. I'm just saying that vague denial of rumors will not stop rumors.

You posted it without applying such a limitation. You may not have believed it, but you meant ot pass it off as fact. You failed.

2. You my friend are a complete moron if you trust anything THIS site has to say.

Frankly, I trust numbers, experience, and the role of business and economics in this more than you, this site, or anyone else.

3. Honestly. Do you really believe that HDDVD can still win & do you honestly believe that Universal will stay exclusive to hddvd for the rest of the year?

Honestly? I couldn't care less. Well, I will admit to yearning for Sony to fail again, that's always fun to watch, but from a pure "format" perspective, I really don't give a damn. I won't be using either of them.

I'm one of those 70+ of folks who don't really see a need for HD, especially at these prices. I'll stick with my widescreen SD tele and Phillips DivX 5140 DVD player until they die. Considering I just bought the player ($50 3 months ago), it's going to be a while.

As I've said before, I just pop in these topics to play. You guys are always so very entertaining.

I'd tip ya if I could.

I wont be buying a blew ray player for the simple fact that if I wait a few months I can have it on on demand in High Def 1080p picture on cable. Granted I wont actually OWN the disc but who cares?

I wish it was an ad campaign or else I'll be making money out of it. pre 1.1, post 1.1, the consumer have decided and the major studios just followed suit with the consumers choice, BD is the successor of DVD. Yes it is 'blo ray'. It Blows HD DUD Away.

"$99 throw-away technology? You get what you paid for, cheap parts, cheap technology. You want the best, go with BD. "
Sounds like a AD campaign to sell those pre 1.1 blo ray players.

Universal should be clear as to what they mean by "currently".

Is Universal going HDDVD AND BLU?...This is what I'm talking about in regards to these Rumor denials that leave room for interpretation.

http://gizmodo.com/34373...y-imminent-says-variety

BD already won. Statistics shows over and over and over again that the majority of the consumers takes the blu pill. I don't know and I don't care how you hate or love the PS3 but it does play a major role on why BD won the war. Sure it is pricey than HD DUD players. Why? They are far more superior. Who wants a friggin' $99 throw-away technology? You get what you paid for, cheap parts, cheap technology. You want the best, go with BD. HD DUD has only two ways to go: a slow and painful death if they decide to continue on or a quick death by throwing the towel and accept defeat. Either way, HD DUD is a dead technology, like DivX.

Go back to blu-ray.com where that gibberish belongs.

"Who wants a friggin' $99 throw-away technology? You get what you paid for, cheap parts, cheap technology."

Hilarious. There's another article here titled "Blu-ray: Early adopters knew what they were getting into" regarding the 1.0, 1.1, 2.0 profile mess Blo-Ray has created. So the choice is between (HD-DVD) $99 throw-away technology and (Blo-Ray) $799+ obsolete technology. Hmm, I wonder who got burned worse.

Hmm $99 throw away (prove it) or $400 throw away (PROVEN).

I'll take the $99 and not throw it away, thanks.

I express my deepest sympathy....HD DUD will be missed dearly....NOT!

I'd like to meet the consumer who would listen to "$399 price point the PS3 offers you a next gen console, with an HD media player, a voice chat service, a video chat service, a built in hard drive, and an internet browser...show me an HD-DVD player/Wii combo that can do that for the price..."

I wouldn't pay that much for a POS console and why would I pay that much for an upscaling dvd player when they are out there for less than half that price. You and your fanboy fiends keep trying to push the POS3 as a marvel of tech but no one is buying them.

"Columbia studios, MGM, Sony Pictures" are all Sony owned companies who have decided to follow Sony's format. WOW what a surprise.

Here is the problem that Sony and the Blu-ray camp now fins themselves in: no credibility with their customers. Many customers that spent $900 to $1,200 on their 1.0 spec blu-ray players are now completely disenchanted with Sony because their players can not be updated to the new BD Profile 2.0 spec. Sony didn't have to do this to their customers, they CHOSE to do this to their customers. This is costing Sony HUGE amounts of good will and respect with their customers.

When you willingly and knowingly bite the hand that feeds you like they did, customers have a long memory for that type of thing. Sony could have chosen to make the players non-upgradability WAY more obvious when they where selling them, but they chose not to, and they have now burned thousands of loyal customers as a result. Sony now has a very serious crediblity issue to deal with and it will not but one that is quickly or easily resovled. This is a huge screw up on Sony's part. A VERY big mistake, to say the least.

This is nothing new from Sony.

Just think back to their rootkits.

This is not an ethical company here.

In a few months from now, Universal will reverse their statement. Just you watch... That's what happened with the XM and Sirius merging deal. First, both companies denied the "rumor." Then, all of a sudden, "we're merging!!!" Companies do not want the world (consumers) to panic. That's why we're doing it this way... Besides, if they breach the HDDVD contract now, they'll have a pay a big fine.

Blu-Ray did not win, they are not going to win anytime soon, and HD DVD is hear to stay. People just need to give them time to recover from the bad Warner news which was a calculated move by the BDA to try & disable HD DVD. Now HD DVD should be working on a massive assault to counter any baseless negativity about them fueled by the BDA like always with their FUD.

Blu-Ray is profile plagued. There is no such thing as 3 levels of specifications. That is just stupid, why don’t you be the one to tell people that purchased profile 1.o based players that they will not be able to use several features from profile 1.1 & 2.0 movies along with many of those movies being completely UN-compatible to those profile 1.0 players.

I see here there is a strong baseless PS3 FanBoy presents. Don’t make fools of yourselves stating that there are 3 levels of profiles for Blu-Ray that is just BS, it’s an unfinished product from the start. Once they start releasing everything in the final profile 2.0, then you can call it a finished spec. Even though early adopters of the profile 1.0 players will experience compatibility issues. Firmware updates won’t help either due to the fact it’s a hardware situation. They will be forced to buy a new more expensive BD player.

Who owns Blu-Ray? SONY does, they created it & developed it, and the BDA “ONLY” serves as backers of that said format. Once again, spreading FUD that the BDA owns Blu-Ray is just complete stupidity and leads to more confusion.

Is HD DVD far more superior to Blu-Ray? Yes in terms of finished specifications. They are now both equal to Picture Quality & Audio Quality. In the first 6 to 12 months Blu-Ray greatly lacked in PQ & AQ. HD DVD was always consistent with phenomenal PQ & AQ, and in early 2007 Blu-Ray caught up so now they are dead even. Anybody things otherwise is baseless...

Well, too many news about bluray "won". I do not buy it. In fact, if major studies back the worse format I will back the other (better) one.
Current movies are good enough in DVD format and can be played in HDDVD (upscaled), Blur cannot do that and is more expensive. Warner took Sony´s money, good for them. I will keep my money now. Later I will buy a cheap HDDVD player and a Wii if I want to have some fun with a console. No Sony PS3, EOL.

you are absolutely 100% wrong....

first off...Blu-ray has Warner, Disney, Pixar, New Line (Lord of the Rings), Fox studious, Columbia studios, MGM, Sony Pictures, HB) and plenty of others...

HD-DVD has Paramount, Dreamworks, and Universal...

its not OVER for HD-DVD...but things look bleak to say the least...you will not have a choice in backing the "other" format...did you stick with VHS when DVD came along?...

DVD looks good "enough" in most cases...but i still don't get why people are trying to hold back the advancement of the home theater industry...this is all a pure hatred of the fact that you backed the wrong format...the same people that say DVD is "good enough" are the same people that will say "streaming HD Media is the way to go!" well if DVD is good enough then why do we need to spend money to stream HD media then?...

streaming media is some time off for the average consumer...bandwidth issues, price etc...

on-demand services are a possibility...but you are getting super compressed films....and we won't see 1080p broadcasts for a long time...and before you bring up 1080p TV's and not having them...i undrstand...but even when you have a 720p TV...and the broadcast is in 720p it is nowhere NEAR the quality if a blu-ray or hd-dvd runnign at 720p...the compression needed to allow cable companies to broadcast in HD is CRAZY...

blu-ray CAN upscale your cuurrent DVD's, and the PS3 is a very solid up scaling DVD player...Warner MAY have taken Sony's money, just like Paramount took Toshiba's money...Sony is releasing a $200 blu ray player rather soon so the price is becoming a non-issue...

you will not be able to buy a cheap HD-DVD player later on because they won't be making them anymore if blu-ray wins this format war...i think you are missing the whole idea behind this...

@ the $399 price point the PS3 offers you a next gen console, with an HD media player, a voice chat service, a video chat service, a built in hard drive, and an internet browser...show me an HD-DVD player/Wii combo that can do that for the price...

"@ the $399 price point the PS3 offers you a next gen console, with an HD media player, a voice chat service, a video chat service, a built in hard drive, and an internet browser...show me an HD-DVD player/Wii combo that can do that for the price..."

That is the result of a heavy hit taken by sony to force the format, if they had not done that blu-ray would be in dire trouble right now, being inferior to HD-DVD. If MS had the same hit on the Xbox then then my answer would be a 360 with the HD-DVD addon.

You are underestimating users power. Sony wants you to believe HDDVD is over, if we buy that, it will. But, if most users take the best cost/performance alternative, Sony and Hollywood will eat their blue lemon and sell what the market(WE)decide.
All these "news" are just propaganda to make us take biased decisions. I repeat, WE decide.
I am not missing anything, HD market direction is not set. Producers do not care in which kind of disk format their movies are released, that involves marketing and hardware players. As Sony has a foot on each boat, they have some advantage, but in the end, WE decide, do not forget that. Now HDDVD is cheaper and is a finished standard. Warner, Fox and Disney will not change my mind. By now HDDVD is better unless you already bought a PS3.
As Wii and xbox360 are better consoles, I do not care about PS3. Even if PS3 sales reached 1M last year, Nintendo came back from nothing and sold more units than Sony+Microsoft togheter (10M) and made Sony to drop initial PS3 price tag (absurd). Sony does not really offer anything good now, that is why they need to buy studios agreements.
Now in the end, if Sony win, you and me will end paying their mistakes. I do not want that, do you? That is why I will stay with DVD now and wait to buy a 150' Panasonic plasma to buy HDDVD (or CHDVD) and see the difference.

lol gotta love the hundreds of comments that come after a post like this. Mention HDDVD or BluRay and the people are posting mad! lol and I know why...

It's laughable how the sad HD DVD fanboys are grouping their caravans in a ring.

1/ Blu-ray is not a Sony product, it's a BDA producct, of which Sony is a founding member. BIG DIFFERENCE.

2/Warner are not coming back, despite what a few desperate fanboys think. Do you really think that Warner, in front of the worlds media, will made a decision and then reverse it after a few days. Why on earth would they, Blu has ruled the roost for over a year, with Warner joining, Blu-ray is now even stronger.

3/ Blu-ray is not a "unfinished spec", as some idiots claim, it's 3 levels of functionality (2 now), and for which you pay your money and get your functionality. Most of this is meaningless, as 8 million of those Blu-ray players are Profile 2.0 capable anyway.

4/Blu-ray is a superior format in every technology front. It's got considerably more space, considerably more bandwidth. There are downsides, disc manufacturing costs are still CURRENTLY slightly more than HD DVD, but as Blu gains dominance, that will lower.

5/ Some Blu-ray releases are region-free, others not, HD DVD also has region protection in the spec, but not implemented on any discs, but if HD DVD had won the format war, you can bet that would have changed. In fact, the lack of region protection, and the fact that AACS was cracked, is the reason why HD DVD lost, no studio wants to support a format that compromises their releases, either from a region protection or copy protection point of view.

(1) If you had any creditability you would have screamed that LONG before others did here. Instead when you started posting here you spewed the stupidest crap any regular on this site had ever seen thus lost your creditability long ago.
Slowly over time your posts started to make more sense as you repeated what other blu fans said. I doubt anyone will forget the mentally challenged Joey Deacon you started out here as, you failed on understanding and comprehension on so many levels.
Sorry but it's true.

(2) No dramas there i agree.

(3) Put it this way. Profile 1.1 cannot play profile 2.0 specific features. That to me IS unfinished since profile 2.0 features are already announced thus if they REALLY cared they could have supported the profile that really matters from day 1. Instead it was all a mad rush.

(4) We won’t know how the true costs impact yet until sony's funding of that completely ends. As for superior sure it is in ways, but there’s a much larger picture with that. Something 'experts' in that industry have covered before.

(5) I agree about hd-dvd there. But it ends there. HD-dvd being cracked has NOTHING to do with why it was lost, if anything that would mean the consumer would support it in massive numbers. FYI DRM is not the latest craze to get. And the very last sentence you wrote, I think you can work out that’s not the case :)

1. By way of having the largest install base, as well as a studio, Sony may not be the entire BDA, but they sure take up more space at the conference table than anyone else.

2. We agree on something.

3. How many iterations before it's finalized? Even the so called 'final spec' (profile 1.1) isn't the final spec! What's worse is the fact that not only did the BDA take a 'you knew what you were getting' attitude, but they seem proud to sell the 1.1 players, knowing full well that in less than a year, they'll be one upping themselves again.

4. What's good on paper, and what's useful to the average consumer (you know...that mainstream audience they keep trying to hit) are two very different things. What good are the superior aspects, when the average consumer doesn't have the highest end gear to take advantage of them?

5. And how many films has Fox released since BR's AACS was cracked? The region free aspect was one of the selling points. Yes, they had the tech, but much like Sony's patent to lock discs to players, it was never used. Frankly, region protection has always been fairly easy to beat (most standard DVD players can be converted with a simple code to input on the remote). It, like all other DRM schemes, only serves to turn a legitimate customer into a 'pirate'. The true pirates will continue to do so...DRM or not.

"1/ Blu-ray is not a Sony product, it's a BDA product, of which Sony is a founding member. BIG DIFFERENCE."

Blu-Ray is a Sony baby, the BDA was formed to develop and forward the standard.

It is easy to see which camp your feet are in since your last Blu-Peter appearance.

Personally i could not give a toss, fans of both formats seem like over zealous rantboys that really get on my goat, most people just want a $99 player that does both formats.

1/ No, there appears to be a BIG DIFFERENCE between your opinion and the truth.

DVR Blue and UDO were both formats developed by Sony. After it was unveiled, the BDA was formed to help promote and manage the format, and the name was changed to Blu-ray.

1. Its considered a Sony product as it was bundled with their game machine, if blu-ray would never have been implemented in a SONY machine, your argument would be moot.

2. Anything is possible Warner didn't sign anything in blood...

3. Even the BDA said "we had to get the format out the way it was to meet hd-dvd otherwise we would have been behind" Features that have been STANDARD on hd-dvd are still not available yet for blu-ray, tell me how that is a finalized spec? Also some players won't be able to play content AND they have to have stickers on the pkg to let consumers know if they get all the features....yeah sounds finished alright. Finally add into the fact that some movies that are profile 2.0 may not even play on older players, this is a may or perhaps but thats still a problem if there is even a slight chance it won't.

4. As has been proven hd-dvd has the 51 gb in place there is no reason for higher bitrates for the disk at this time, the only thing that is superior about it is your belief in it, side- by side comparisons show NO DIFFERENCE and was even reported that several blu-ray titles were inferior to their counterparts.

5. Blu-ray has an added layer of protection that can be used to disable your player should one of the keys not work, and yeah dvdfab has no problem removing copy protections off of current blu-ray titles (not sure about future as with the new "finished spec") as well, so your fooling yourself if you think one is better over the other. The only thing blu-ray's protection is going to do is alienate people from buying it due to the hoops one has to jump through to use it.

It is laughable how militant you are with your posts, anytime someone questions you, you just ignore it, you have zero creditibility because you can't see the forest through the trees.

Holy crap I can barely see straight from all your spin. The number 3 is priceless spin well so is the rest but that one is good.

+1

very good

1/ Blu-ray is not a Sony product, it's a BDA producct, of which Sony is a founding member. BIG DIFFERENCE.

Who holds the lion's share of the patents for Blu Ray, Joey?

3/ Blu-ray is not a "unfinished spec", as some idiots claim, it's 3 levels of functionality (2 now), and for which you pay your money and get your functionality. Most of this is meaningless, as 8 million of those Blu-ray players are Profile 2.0 capable anyway.

Nice spin. You should try becoming a DJ. They have intended the 2.0 functionality since the beginning, but Sony has itself admitted that the initial specs and players were rushed to compete with HD-DVD. Intended but not implemented = unfinished.

4/Blu-ray is a superior format in every technology front. It's got considerably more space, considerably more bandwidth. There are downsides, disc manufacturing costs are still CURRENTLY slightly more than HD DVD, but as Blu gains dominance, that will lower.

Nothing HD DVD couldn't accomplish over time while maintaining backwards compatibility with DVD.

but if HD DVD had won the format war, you can bet that would have changed.

Watch out, folks! He's got a Crystal Ball!

"It's laughable how the sad HD DVD fanboys are grouping their caravans in a ring."

No, it's your idiotic reasoning that is laughable.

1/ Who is going to profit the most (by far) from BD if it succeeds? Sony or the other members of the BDA? You're right about one thing though "Sony is a founding member. BIG DIFFERENCE." Yes, that is indeed a BIG difference. It means they take the BIGGEST slice of the pie.

2/ Warner goes where the money is, end of story. Just because Sony paid Warner a huge pile of money, it doesn't mean they're going to stick with BD forever, even if it starts failing (which it will). This is the part where you chime in with something like "but kashin, you can't prove Sony paid them off!" and you're right, but YOU also can't prove the opposite. It's rather naive to think a studio whose sole purpose is to make money would jump ship based on semantics or their perceived merits of one format over another.

3/ Blu-Ray is most definitely an unfinished spec. To try and imply that having "3 levels of functionality" is a good thing is just beyond ridiculous. As if there weren't enough confusion regarding the different formats, now we have Sony screwing the customers even more with their 3 levels of stupidity. BD is amazing, you get half the functionality (of HD-DVD), two years late, for three to five times the price.

4/ "Blu-ray is a superior format in every technology front." Again, hilarious. The only advantage BD has is more space, nothing else. Other than that, both formats use the exact same video and audio codecs. And no, uncompressed audio is not an "advantage" like the BD trolls want you to believe. It's just a way to pretend the extra space is justified. In fact, as far as format superiority goes, HD-DVD is far superior, since they had a complete spec since day one, whereas BD is still an unfinished spec. Nice try though. "There are downsides, disc manufacturing costs are still CURRENTLY slightly more than HD DVD" Slightly?? Hahahaha. The hilarity never stops. Last I heard, it cost around 4 times more for BD.

5/ "Some Blu-ray releases are region-free, others not" Grasping at more straws to try and make the format look good. The BDA members themselves declined to comment on whether BD would ever go region-free when they were asked by reporters at CES. That's gotta tell you something. Ouch! "HD DVD also has region protection in the spec, but not implemented on any discs, but if HD DVD had won the format war, you can bet that would have changed." You can see the future now? Can you tell me next week's lottery numbers?

"In fact, the lack of region protection, and the fact that AACS was cracked, is the reason why HD DVD lost, no studio wants to support a format that compromises their releases, either from a region protection or copy protection point of view."

You make it too easy. Let's see.. first of all, AACS was NOT cracked and probably won't be cracked any time soon. It was circumvented. There is an enormous difference between cracking something and getting around it. Second, both HD-DVD and BD use AACS! So using your logic, both formats lost! Third, although BD has an extra layer of protection (which I'm sure you would be all too quick to point out), this protection has ALSO been circumvented! AnyDVD HD can copy any HD-DVD or BD disc. Again, using your own logic, BD failed worse because they had TWO copy protection mechanisms "cracked" instead of one.

I gotta go crack a beer open now. All this pwning made me thirsty and giddy. :)

Keep spinnin them lies

Crack a beer open? I hope you didn't mean circumvent. :)

I love Greek Salad. Yummy

lol, yeah me too I wacked that in the post cause I was eating it at the time...

As long as they stick to the one damn format and give it 100% good on them. While on the topic of changing formats WHY HAS THE BETANEWS SITE BECOME A GREEK SALAD. IT'S LIKE GLUED BROADSHEET NEWSPAPER TO MY MONITOR. WARNING BETANEWS SITE MAY CAUSE EPILEPSY.

I actually changed my tabs from betanews to fileforum. I really hope they revert back to the old design after CES...

???

Mmmmm... spam, spam, eggs, bacon, and spam.

Hehe looks like they removed the spam now making your post look a bit strange :)

Yeah, I hate it when that happens. LOL

Oh well... I know I shouldn't respond, but sometimes I can't help it. :)

Why doesn't everyone tell Warner how they feel about their back stabbing move to tell 1 million HD DVD player owners to go you know where and take buyout money?

http://www2.warnerbros.c...lp/customer_service.jsp

Thanks, much appreciated.

Really, it was kinda annoying (shocking) when the blu camp cried like babies about it and sent a ton of abuse off to paramount. Please don’t sink to the same low level as them and at least construct something sensible

HD DVD is the far more superior Hi Def format than Blu-Ray. HD DVD was released with finished specifications. Sorry but Blu-Ray is flawed this is why the BDA is going to eventually release profile 2.0.

HD DVD sold more discs in more weeks in 2007 than Blu-Ray by a factor of nearly 65:35 – But the only reason Blu-Ray did better sales is due to all those Buy One, Get One Free sales, that is it, every time HD DVD announces a Hot movie title for release, the BDA issues a BOGO sale.

BDA selling more discs is an illusion and if anybody believes they sold more than HD DVD you are delusional.
HD DVD also rules in Stand Alone player sales topping over 1+ million including the add-on for North America where as Blu-Ray Stand Alone players only tops at most 300,000 if that.

Blu-Ray should be called PS3-Ray and Sony is Blu-Ray and Blu-Ray is Sony – Don’t forget this FACT...

Agreed!

Did Warner just call Blu-ray's bluff?

Did Warner just take Sony for $500 million only to go back to HD DVD at the end of the year when Blu-ray movie disc sales prove to be totally underwhelming?

Galway you are full of FUD. Blu-ray is by far the better format of the two (both technologically and strategically). Blu-ray sold more media by margins of 20% to 50% more than HD DVD every week for the entire year of 2007. HD DVD is dead. Blu-ray dominates the market in most countries.

And Blu-ray is not a Sony product. There are many high ranking companies fully behind Blu-ray's research and development.

Read the articles newbie, bluray was rushed to market and currently has less features than HDDVD.

http://www.betanews.com/...in_the_teeth/1199771771

If you want to match the feature set of HDDVD then you need to buy a new 2.0 player, or wait for the upgrade to come to PS3.

Can you please prove why blu-ray is the better format of the two (like you say) and not why blu-ray has sold more?

And why not hit the Reply button on Galways post if you have a problem with it....

"Blu-ray is by far the better format of the two"

It might be when its is finished, and even then it wont be supported by all players. Great format HUH ? Go back to Sony.com bend over and take another.

It might be when its is finished,

Doubtful. HD DVD has mandated ethernet since the beginning. They could add functionality just like Blu-Ray profile 2.0 can.

You mean if it gets finished.

To be honest, I cannot see the point of turning your back on potential customers. With company's falling over themselves to enter new markets, it just does not make sence to abandon a format with a higher attach rate. unless of course there are other (short term)gains to be made.

IMO, sony have manufactured this because they are desperate to finally have a successful format and cannot afford to let this one slip to a technically superior format. Obviously the capacity has been the only selling point to blu-ray, and the sony marketing machine has capitalised on this. Even though this has been negated a little with the improvements in HD-DVD capacity, and the promise that it adhears to the original specification of players and should be supported on all players. Toshiba hasn't really marketed this at all, neither have they pushed PC drives at all which I would be interested in.

I think that there is life in the format yet, obviously it needs to not lose any more support. Lets hope good sales for the studios in HD-DVD make the format a success.

DVD is still kicking them both, and it can be said that for most it suits there needs. Now that Xmas is over and lots of people have nice shiny HD displays, they will treat themselves to an affordable player, or upgrade the ageing DVD. What better to buy then a DVD that also does HD, with the all important HDMI socket.

Toshiba should try to bundle them with screens, taking a hit on the player to boost numbers will certainly impact sales. And its sales that they need right now, if it fails then at least you got rid of the stock.

You got a great point. Unfortunately this must have been pre-meditated by the BDA to cause a negative HD DVD chain reaction so that Sony & the BDA can pave the road in becoming victorious.

This is why I really hope Universal, Paramount & DreamWorks signs exclusive HD DVD contracts up until 2010 at the least with at least 1 or 2 Blu-Ray studios going neutral.

I rather make a choice in what I want to buy & support, I don’t like Sony or the BDA making this choice for me. Not happening in a million years.

If both these studios continue to support hd-dvd for the foreseeable future I think hd streaming will bypass both. Warner most likely saw this.

I can't understand why a format's choice in the big "hardware" industry would be made by a "film" producer and distributor "Warner" !!! This format is crucial in the PC and cumputer business, in the video business, in the game business! There is no return on investment desired on the HD DVD side and all the Tohsiba partner's ??? There would be no replica ??? "Yes were going Blue Ray" as an answer is absolutely incredible !!! If I was in those business, I would certainly not be driven by "WARNER" !! What kind of little puppys (following the "master") those big companies are ???

???

Huge Trouble BD, Warners Switches Back to HD-DVD- from Insider...

http://www.highdefforum.com/showthread.php?t=61803
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I agree with you but I don't like the fact companies & studios make the decision for us? I think we the people have a right to choose what we want. Price is king in this Hi Def game and that is going to eventually win in the end IMO.

Of course they will...

You need to get a grip on reality...

Joey, while that poster is probably not right either I question your right to question anyone on "getting a grip on reality".

Thanks.

While the original source appears to be someone who has had some ‘limited’ credibility in the past I very much doubt that.

FUD

This war has done nothing but tear apart forums and people with tit-for-tat comments of BD vs HD-DVD.
Let's not fight anymore guys, let's all be in this together.

We all have to face this, noone but these companies can control the future of BD or HD-DVD. Whatever they decide to do, they will do it regardless. Early adopters will of course pay the price :(

Let's just all take a break from these comments and take a step outside, or do other things. By Xmas 2008, it will be more clear. Til then I'm going to stick with standard dvd. When prices for players and movies come down to current DVD levels, let's all chat again and laugh about all the ruckus this mess currently is :). It will all be a funny memory!
No more hate, let's celebrate! This is coming from someone who grew up playing computer games as text. We are so lucky to live in this day and age where just 30yrs ago, this was just imagination.

That’s like telling a 10 year old boy to grow up. Just not gonna happen

"That’s like telling a 10 year old boy to grow up. Just not gonna happen "

Actually he probbably will, just give him time. Unless you're planning on killing the poor kid

They were not asked whether they will remain exclusive or not, they were asked if they are going to drop HD DVD. So we all got the answer, Universal & Paramount are both all HD DVD. Good for us and good for the industry.

Both Universal & Paramount along with the HD DVD Promo Group are being very careful in their wording. I believe they don't want to give away more than they should before the BIG HD DVD announcement which should be coming later on next week from what I've been told.

And I think Disney has a lot to do with that big HD DVD announcement seeing that they were the only Blu Studio which voted "YES" to the Triple Layer Twin & Triple Layer 51GB HD DVD discs. I wonder why?

wow what you've been told? well much like hollywoods inside information im sure yours is complete bulls*** just the same.

You need to listen to yourself.

There is no big announcement, Disney have been Blu all the way, no Blu company would swap right now, given Warners backing. That would be insane.

The bottom line, most people have already thrown in the towel. Several non-techy people at work have mentioned to me about HD DVD failures, it's in the mainstream press. There is no going back from this. In consumers eyes, it's over.

You can keep onto your dreams all you like, and I am sure there are still laserdisc and Betamax owners even now doing the same thing, but the industry will leave you behind without a second thought.

Anyway, I have been told about a big BDA announcement next week, I can't say too much, but it involves Paramount and Universal...

It's not over until the last HDDVD is pulled from the shelf.

Thanks.

Happening as we speak. Best Buy are in the process of ramping down HD DVD stocks. Multiple sources claim this.

WOW, the lies never stop.

By multiple sources you mean you and your friends, and by claims you mean pulled it out of your ass.

I think you may have beaten your previous record for most bulls*** posted in a day

They have Best Buy's in the UK?

You always ask for links so where are they?

How much does Blu-ray pay you Joey to man his forum and write crap?

Haha
"You can keep onto your dreams all you like, and I am sure there are still laserdisc and Betamax owners even now doing the same thing, but the industry will leave you behind without a second thought."
How fitting you would choose the two other formats Sony tried to push and failed.
These non techy people are saying this because HD DVD offers their players with the compatibility to show the extras on their future disks whereas all the blue ray players require people to buy new ones just to take advantage of this feature. Wow you're right Toshiba should have looked at this as a profitable gimmick sell your product to consumers tell and then gouge them in the future when your product doesn't do what it claims to do.

In consumers eyes, it's over.

Dude, get real. It doesn't even exist in their eyes. Never has. The *vast* majority of consumers doesn't have a *clue* that there's more than one format, or that HD even *requires* a new format.

Keep reminding yourself that HD players make a grand total of like, 7% of the total disc playing market.

Point: I'm happy you like Blu-Ray. I'm happy others like HD-DVD. I'm greatly entertained by how important you all seem to feel arguing over something that absolutely no-one else gives a damn about...

lmao...

You fail to supply the sources, but let be guess:

Hunt, Blu Ray forums, and your own wild speculation?

"It doesn't even exist in their eyes. Never has. The *vast* majority of consumers doesn't have a *clue* that there's more than one format, or that HD even *requires* a new format."

Seconded. Less than 2 weeks ago, I was explaining to my parents the differences between the two formats, and that there were to formats... and clarifying that DVD's weren't already "HD".

"Hunt, Blu Ray forums, and your own wild speculation?"

It wasn't tough to figure that out, but well done!

Anyone notice neither the Universal or Paramounts statements mentioned anything about NOT also supporting Blu-ray, merely continuing to support HD DVD.

Spooky, you would almost think both companies have been sat in the same room crying over the same tables all week, wonding how much worse it could possibly get for the format..

Universal: "Universal's current plan is to continue to support the HD DVD format,"

Paramount: "Paramount's current plan is to continue to support the HD DVD format"

Anyone else find this spooky, the exact same phrase was used in both companies press releases???

Spooky, the only one that would go to this fictional extreme to defend a media format must be psycho.

Are you taking your meds Joey?

But you go off at other people twisting statements to support their argument however legit the twist may be? How can you do the same? Go in the bathroom, look at yourself in the mirror and call yourself delusional & desperate

I'll give that to you, Joey. I made the same observation about the similarities between the press statements.

Spooky? Not so much, though. I just read the one from Universal and thought "Hmm, that sounds familiar..."

I really hope they sign a nice HD DVD exclusive contract for at least until 2010. The last thing people need is a flawed Sony driven format to become a knich format for all of us that love Hi Def.

HD DVD has a much better chance in completely replacing SD DVD by far. And 1+ million SAL players sold in North America proves this over & over again.

Warner’s move to go Blu & all these stupid baseless rumours about HD DVD is done is complete FUD & was most likely conjured up by the BDA. They calculated the best possible time to announce this BS to the media & force Warner to announce BD exclusiveness just after the Christmas Holidays & just before the CES 2008. The BDA did everything they can to make HD DVD look helpless.

I wonder how much the BDA is paying off these bogus article/reviewer writers to come up with baseless information about HD DVD.

HD DVD is hear to stay and will continue to fight off Blu-Ray unless Toshiba comes out and says otherwise...

Great Points Hocuspokus & MikeTechno and many others what see it our way.... Long Live HD DVD...

"I really hope they sign a nice HD DVD exclusive contract for at least until 2010. "

LOL, what planet are you on exactly??

Earth Joey. You know, the planet where consumers don't appreciate being told they knew they were going to be ripped off months after they buy a product.

You pick up your new bluray player? How was the line? I bet you waited HOURS for that new player.

"I really hope ".....
His own? at least he admits it....

I agree. What Sony and the Blu-ray camp have done as of late is digusting and insulting to their customers. I hope the media consuming public effectively slaps them in their collective faces and hard by voting with ther WALLETS and taking their business eslewhere.

When are these companies finaly going to learn that is the PUBLIC that pays ALL of their bills? It doesn't take a Ph.D to figure out that you DON'T bite the hand that feeds you! Idiots.

Bill (silent 'C') Hunt strikes again.

HD DVD will ride these punches, HD DVD China launches in march.
The torrent of cheap sub $100 DVD players that are also great HD DVD players starts then.

I advise all HD DVD studios to screw as much Sony cash out of Blu-ray as they can and then return to the HD DVD side at the end of the year to sell to those millions of cheap Chinese HD DVD player owners.

Warner just scammed $500 million out of Sony.

Blu-ray will not be seeing the enormous sales numbers they need this year
(people will do what they are doing now, write Blu-ray off as too expensive & not worth it and carry on buying HD TV services & downloading).

LOL, $100 HD DVD players are pointless without movies to play in them.

It's over, admit it, and move on..

Its over for BRD Profile 1 or 1.1 player owners too ;-) Enjoy your player that cant handle BRD Profile 2 discs. Why dont you try replying to the other thread where people questioned you about it? Oh yeah, that would mean admitting you were WRONG and got screwed over.

Move on to what? You mean the $400 disposable players over in the bluray camp? No thanks.

"$100 HD DVD players are pointless without movies to play in them."

- There's that blinkered arrogance of yours again.

People will be mostly playing in them what they are currently playing in their existing DVD players.
DVD upscaled.

There will be plenty of time later to lure them back to HD DVD discs once the numbers sold grow (as they will - SD DVD massively outsells high def and wuill continue to for a long time to come - particularly as they will be sub $100 and Blu-ray well over $300 for a long time to come).

Between HD TV services and inexpensive DVD Blu-ray isn't going anywhere anytime soon and by the time it gets anywhere near cheap enough it will be far too late.

The Chinese manufacturers will simply be replacing their existing SD DVD players with even better quality upscaling SD DVD players that also happen to play HD DVD.

To begin with they might not even make too much of the HD DVD side to them.
There is no need.

"It's over, admit it, and move on.."

- It is not.

This is just more of the same old 'try to talk it up' Blu-ray BS.

Blu-ray have won nothing and nothing has actually changed (except for Warner taking $500 million off of Sony - cleverly without contract too).

Blu-ray has not suddenly started selling in huge numbers.
Blu-ray disc sales are still relatively tiny.

Universal are staying HD DVD and so are Paramount.

Blu-ray will not be able to afford to lower prices anytime soon either (especially with Sony having just spent $1 billion+).

Hollywood remains divided.

Blu-ray will not be going anywhere.

Especially after the BDA's
"profile 2.0 movie discs might have problems in everything but a PS3 but f*ck you, you knew what you were doing" comments.

Very funny and I bet the rest of the BDA are in hysterics.

The only 'safe' choice is a limited game console.

Hilarious.

I hope to GOD they just end this format war NOW. Once and for all!
I have had enough of this bickering, confusion, FUD, and ill will due to this stupid format war!
Universal has no choice and HD DVD promo group has to step down! They have to learn now that the end of HD DVD is at hand and it is a waste of time and effort to refute that!

"Sources close to the matter say that neither Variety or the Financial Times bothered to contact HD DVD for confirmation before publishing the rumors."

Well why would they?
Warner didn't bother telling HD DVD about it, so don't expect HD DVD to know; go direct to the source.

Why should they be publishing rumors? They are a newspaper. They should publish the news. How much harm has been done to HDDVD by Variety and the Financial Times by these rumors that aren't true.