Impressive work, I knew that was gonna happen from the very beginning

Hey MS has a right to do whatever they want with their software. Personally i never used windows update or auto-update anyway, and dont want their crappy anti-spyware or whatever. Its futile to update so much and think windows is really going to be safe, there will always be ways and weaknesses and flaws. Ok so auto update will still install the critical updates... so whats the problem here? And if u have a pirated XP, you can't download some MS extras or use that silly windows update page. Big whoop. Wouldn't bug me one bit.

Their AntiSpyware actually is very good. It is becoming better than some of the tools most have come to love.. ("becoming better", not better yet but is very effective..)

Of course, we can't forget the fact they BOUGHT their AntiSpyware tool ( http://www.giantcompany.com/default.htm ) the same way they bought the software that started them off... MS-DOS ( http://inventors.about.c...ary/weekly/aa033099.htm ).

That said... I use MS AntiSpyware.

I always thought that they "stole" MS-DOS from someone else. Isn't that part of the "legend?"

I think microsoft ment to do that, for crying out loud games have protection better than windows CDs, its a conspiracy they want thier product to spread like cancer many ppl use windows coz its easy to get when u don't have money but when u try to open a store or somthing they tell u to pay and that is the trick in my opinion coz they now know u will do nothing without thier precious software, what do u think

I think the community is looking at Microsoft anti-piracy measures from a very narrow perspective. The primary goals are to limit casual copying and wholesale commercial piracy that make up the bulk of pirated software.

I believe that Microsoft will continually make revisions to their products to let users know down the line whether a product is genuine or not (e.g. notice). The lengths to which people go to circumventing anti-piracy measures could rebut any claims of innocence by inferring knowledge and intent. This could encourage dishonest users to purchase legitimate copies, and truly innocent users to report the seller. Furthermore, prosecuting wholesale pirates is alot more profitable and popular than going after individual users.

You said that perfectly. Casual copying is all they care about.

THIS IS DEMONIC PARANOIA. NO ONE CAN STOP PIRATED COPIES OF WINDOWS XP. I AM ABLE TO FIND COPIES OF BOTH XP AND VISTA BY SIMPLY WALKING ACROSS ANY STREET IN HONG KONG.I AM ALSO ABLE TO BUY THE LATEST APPLE (TIGER)SOFTWARE IN TAIWAN FOR A DOLLAR. WHY IS APPLE NOT CONCERNED ? BECAUSE QUALITY IS VALUED.

THANKS CAPTAIN OBVIOUS FOR THE INFO AND THE EYE CHECK... I CAN ACTUALLY READ YOUR POST WITHOUT THE USE OF EYEWEAR! :)

Don't forget the BOLD tags

Well, that didn't work :-(

OH MY GOD THAT MESSAGE WAS IN ALL CAPS!!!11

it's good that in the future macos will come for intel based pcs and there are a few other oses (linux) one can go for :) [cheap oses]

Yeah, except that you still have to pay for Apple's overpriced hardware to run it since they've made it clear that it will not run on just any Intel chip.

hmm, I guess there is little reason for mac to even work on pcs.

"Users who may have unknowingly purchased counterfeit software would be eligible for a free genuine copy at no cost, as long as they fill out a piracy report as well as provide proof of purchase and surrender the counterfeit CDs."

huh? buy a pirate copy of xp professional at 50 bucks and get a proof of purchase? yeah. send it to microsoft with a pirate report and get a free copy of xp professional? yeah, again. can someone explain how this could really work?

You are basically turning in whomever sold you the pirated copy of XP or who installed the pirated copy of XP

They are going for 'bigger' targets. By that I mean small 'mom&pop' style computer stores that use pirate Windows copies to better their bottom line...I doubt Microsoft is interested in busting your friend who made a copy for $2.

Microsoft's WGA had never been a fool-proof method. I have tried it with the IE 7 in a pirated Windows XP machine and downloaded all the Win updates as well as the Antispyware. The process simply passed the machine as using genuine software. Seems that the hackers a step ahead always.

how'd you get Windows updates to work in IE7? Every time I've tried, it has severely mis-rendered the page, putting the "Review updates and install" link in the left column and still looking like it's searching for updates in the middle.

Nothing happens when I click "Review updates and install" either :(

Having not tried the beta myself, I am only speculating here, but I would try altering security settings to add *.microsoft.com to the trusted zone list so that it is authorized to operate as it sees fit. If that doesn't work, or is not an option, and all else fails to resolve it, then I am betting that either your computer is a mangled pile of junk (doubtful?) or that the individual you are responding to is a liar and is simply criticizing Microsoft based on false assumptions.

I would think he/she was lying, seeing how everyone else I have talked to is unable to use the update site.

Good suggestion. I tried it, and I got the same results as before :-(

"or that the individual you are responding to is a liar and is simply criticizing Microsoft based on false assumptions."

lol That can't be, since we know that NEVER happens :-p

Cant we all just get along. ~LMAO

Considering how vastly superior some of these people are compared to you or I, it seems not, lol.

If cars were sold the way the software industry sells their products, we'd have a hard time getting around in this world. But we can't do without. So why not take all this humourously?!

Seems to have become some kind of sports. So this is the score of the last match???

No wonder so many people get heart attacks these days.......

lol umm... you mean people aren't trying to steal cars? I think I'll leave my car unlocked everywhere I go now and leave $100 cash sitting on the front seat. I'm safe right?

And the car industry can't exactly release a patch to all customers after the car is made. It doesn't work that way.

Got me. I'm just talking about releasing a car with so many bugs as most, could I dare to say: all, software has. Let your phantasy play with that thought.

A car without a key to drive it. You'll get that key if you do this or that. And, though you purchased it with your money, it ain't your property. And after, say, 50 minutes driving - once you got your key, finally - a voice comes up telling you that you'll have to turn it to the next garage to get your first update: the missing rear tyres - cause you were driving on wooden ones until the real ones were done.

THIS IS JUST pHANTASY.

I'm just trying to compare businesses. Maybe I shouldn't. But I can't help it. I'm tired of taking these things serious for myself.

I'm just bored with all this pros and contras. It is always the same - since there has been a market for computers and software.

so what?!?

don't worry - be happy -- he! he!

:-)

Cars are made with bugs all of the time. That is why there are recalls. I have seen more junk cars than good cars. So yeah cars are very much like software. Every year GM alone has to recall at least one part of almost every car they make. Why is that?

ok. I misunderstood your comparison. Sorry about that lol. But if you want to make that comparison, you can't :-(.

Cars are physical property. Software is intellectual property. The comparisons you're making can't cross between those two categories.

You are right.

But what about buying?

Is there a difference between giving my money for a car or for software?

As I understand some EULAs, the software you buy isn't even your property. I know, I know it's "intellectual". So maybe we shouldn't sell anything that is "intellectual". Maybe we should be content to sell our abilities as a working force. Or is what I buy with a software just that: a service?

To me this whole software EULA business is kind of silky. Or, which can easily be the case, I just don't understand it. I'd like to, though. Maybe I'm just too old - I'm just used to "what I buy is my property once I paid for it".

Really?

I didn't know that.

Maybe because I can't afford new cars, anyway...

but it IS interesting to hear that.

lol I get the same feeling a LOT. But the EULA's are to protect the programmers.

Like you said, when you buy a piece of software, you do not own it. All you are buying is a license to USE the software.

If you owned it the second you bought it, you could redistribute that software and sell it as your own programming wherever and whenever you wanted. I could be a multi-billionaire right now if I actually owned Windows XP, but then again, so could everyone else.

There are definitely gray areas. For example, if I've bought the license to use the software, does that mean I can install it on all 5 of my computers? It should work right? So long as I'm the only one that uses it.

Or how about this: If I've bought the license only for me, then I can't let anyone else touch my computer. They haven't paid for the license to use Windows XP on MY computer right?

That's why those EULAs are so freaking long. They have to cover all the "gray areas" to keep from going broke. Otherwise, some genious out there would find a loop-hole and make tons of money off of someone else's work.

Thanx a lot man for your answering!

I really had a lot of trouble understanding all this. You made it really clear to me. I appreciate the time and care you show for my stupid questions!

Thanx.

lol no problem, and you're questions aren't stupid.

I think it's awesome that you could admit what you didn't know. If only everyone else that commented had the same honesty.

"I appreciate the time and care you show for my stupid questions!" I believe that there is no stupid questions, only unasked questions!

Nothing "man" makes will ever be perfect so all things will fail in time or have problems from the start. Ask any college student to make you a perpetual machine. No one can!

So let "women" make things!

A pefect example of technology connecting people...this is a Kodak moment in information history. :P

HA! Then for no reason at all during the month Windows would start arguments with you for no reason at all, and it would be cranky and complain about stomach cramps. I will stop now for the sake I was going to make some horrid analogy about bleeding data...

Then nothing would ever work from the start.

anyone have a link to where i can apply for a real xp cd. i got took i think.

This is still no answer for tricking the Validation process to download microsoft'santi spware program.

here
http://www.microsoft.com...9671&displaylang=en

1) Use Windows 98 to download, or
2) http://fileforum.betanew...ntiSpyware/1105022593/1

Disabling Windows Genuine Advantage still doesn't solve the updates problems.

Fools believe that this anti-piracy software affects only the criminal element. You can waste more than $300.00 USD on Windows XP Professional. That valid serial number no longer works after you wipe, reformat a hard drive and then reactive your expensive software several times. Suckers are left with an expensive coaster in the blue factory box.

Registering with Micro$oft under the same name and address doesn't prevent a denial of service attack either.

Micro$oft was never good at fighting viruses, trojans, worms and spyware. And everybody who posts here knows it! So millions of paying customers have started using bootleg VLK software because they're were ripped-off by this corporate robber barron.

Common sense tells me that any software which denies service, to the paying customers, should be outlawed. Micro$oft should be prosecuted for theft. Bill Gates can trade his Redmond mansion for a trip to McNeil Island Federal Penitentiary just a few miles away.

We can stop drunk drivers by outlawing every car on the roads too. Does punishing people, who aren't reckless make any sense either? Hell no. And neither do Micro$ofts lame a$$ed excuses for justifying thievery...

I format at least once every 5-6 months with my Windows XP Pro that only cost me $100USD for full version, and I have never had a problem with installing it and activating it.

EDIT: I format that often for beta testing.

"Registering with Micro$oft under the same name and address doesn't prevent a denial of service attack either."

Umm.... come again? That's not what a denial of service attack is.

And like gawd21, I have reformatted several times. The exact same product key I bought for 86 USD (XP Pro) has worked every time.

In the one and only case where I've had an old product key not work, I called MS at the number provided in Product Activation, gave them a 54-digit installation ID, and I instantly had a completely legit copy of Windows. I gave no personal information whatsoever. I could have completely stolen the software and had a completely legit copy of Windows now.

What then is the basis for your arguments?

I have a useless CD rom, and manual in the factory retail box right here on the shelf. You can only install your software so many times before that serial number does not work any more. Been there! Done that! And you'll learm the hard way eventually if you're using retail or OEM softwate.

If Microsoft's factory products no longer work properly because of their business practices, that is denial of service by any definition in my book. And that is exactly why I went out and got a bootleg VLK CD rom. No more activation Bull$hit...

I've seen rebate checks for 50 bucks; but nobody sells the Windows XP Pro retail package for $100.00 except the pirates. The OEM CDs in a plain envelope and product key go for around $150.00 alone.

Microsoft keeps track of how many times that we activate retail software. The serial numbers expire after a certain number of times. All of this to keep from us installing Windows XP on a bunch of computers. Bill Gates is so rich, that he thinks we all can afford to decorate every room with play toys. We have two machines. That's enough for us.

Sounds like you really have a VLK version, if you format every six months and don't have problems with reinstallations. Thank God if so; because you won't have to worry about their BS...

I think that you were just installing it on more than one computer and that is where the problem is. You need to shop around a bit more for better prices, too.

Did you read my post at all?

Maybe it didn't sink in:

All you have to do is call and give them the installation ID: Instant legit copy of Windows.

"Been there! Done that!" "I know all!" Oh wait... you didn't say that. It just sounded like it.

***EDIT***
About the denial of service... that's still not what it is. It's a technological attack launched by sending trillions of UDP packets to a server or network at the same time in an effort to bring it to its knees. But I can see where you're getting confused.

First of all, the frequency and number of unique computer configurations has an effect on the activiation process.

Obviously, the intent being to block piracy means you can't install it on 4 different computers and expect it to still work the 5th time around.

Also, if you reformat and reinstall every single day or week... you need to look into Ghost or other imaging software, because activating the same key 7 times a week is going to cause trouble as well, because the activation server is going to think it's being pirated.

As others have mentioned, though, if this is a legitimate use of the key on the same system multiple times, all you have to do is call Microsoft for a replacement key... but being that you're a genius and have all the answers, you already knew that, right?

It took me less than 5 minutes to find it for close to $100 http://directdepot2u.com/item.asp?PID=666

I have been a employee of www.geeksoncall.com mobile PC repair for 5 years. I have never had an issue activating XP pro over the phone. Ever. There are some OEM cd's that install with a generic code and you have to change the key to the actual one on the COA label on your PC. You obviously have a bias against Bill Gates. This is common for someone who is jealous of others. Bill Gates donates a good share of his profits to non-profit charities to help people. I think you need to back off until you actually know what you are talking about

I hate that windows activation thing too, and i have reinstalled windows several times and was pissed that it didn't let me install a 4th time without calling MS because of the 4th time. Fortunately i wasn't on hold long, and got a replacement key very easily. I'm no MS Love/Hater, I use Windows and Linux, and soon will be using mac too, just to learn it.

Hey, this article reminds me of apple's DRM being removed by downloading from a Linux program, then apple "fixed" it with a new version of iTunes, then the next day it was "broken" again LOL. Was that ever re-fixed?

I said:
same computer
same hard drive
same information

Providing different names is another issue entirely. Anybody might be suspicious of this trick but those jerks are too paranoid.

This happened over a period of some two years in time. I got tired of asking "big daddy" for another cookie. I'd rather use bootleg VLK software than be treated like a baby. F#@& Microsoft. They care only about $$$$

BFD. I am talking about hassllers that were non issues with Windows 95, 98, 98SE, Me, and 2000. And the same goes for the VLK copies of Windows XP.

Everything must be a pain in the a$$ for the little people but multi-million dollar corporations are exempt for this tired old bull$hit.

Can't afford more computers. Don't need them; and Micro$ucks thinks that a new bigger hard drive is the same as buying another complete machine. Buy a new motherboard, and they think it's another machine too...

*lowers head and shakes slowly*

Not only have I upgraded my mainbord twice and three different hard drives, but I still have not had a problem other than calling in a code to get it activated again, it took less than 5 minutes!

Umm, so you're trying to imply that asking Microsoft for a new product key (I assume that's what you mean by "cookie") prompted them to charge you again? Are you also implying that during the conversation with them to get that key the customer support representative was a rude, paranoid jerk?

Why didn't you just get an imaging program like Norton Ghost and make a backup of your system?

Better yet, why didn't you just learn how to configure and keep your computer maintained so that you didn't have to reinstall at all?

You can't afford new computers, because as you've mentioned in another post, Microsoft keeps reaming you in the butt for more money every time you call to re-activate... but maybe it's better you not own more computers, since your posts are so fanatical and plagued with non-truths.

ehhh... let him whine. He'll never shutup.

MS haters will always be screaming their heads off looking for anyone to listen to them.

Why is this such big news? It was likely well less than 24 hours, since there are some really simple ways to bypass it.

The one line java script code thing that all the news places seem to mention seems fairly simple. But there is one way even easier than that. Install WGA, open IE, and check out manage add-ons under tools. MS lets you disable it right there.

And even if WGA had some really secure way of doing what it wants to, those who want to create a program or other method to bypass it will still do it - it might just take a couple days longer. Same with the people who want to use it.

Disabling WGA alone does nothing. The java script is for Windows Updates. We'll have to wait for somebody to crack the Download Center site...

Ten million computer-savvy pirates are rejoicing!

The other 450 million users of Windows (the ones that Microsoft is really trying to target) are saying, "duh...I printed out this kavascript thingy and glued it to my monitor but nothing happened."

or they just click continue, continue, continue, and say "Hey it worked!" :-p

It doesn't matter anyway. There's always a way around validation, but WGA isn't for the people that know how to crack it. It's for the people that don't even know they have an illegit copy of Windows.

24 hours why so many?

ms could not protect its programs?
how can protect our pc

great display of ignorance

*applauds*

Very nice analogy there, took you what, three whole seconds to come up with it? You impress me with your astounding insight into MS. I guess you must have the same feelings for every piece of software as 99% of software has a crack for any version of its products. There is NO way to prevent it, programs will continue to be cracked or hacked regardless of what verification measures you impliment. So please, before you post such nonsensical comments, THINK before you post

Why so many personal attacks lately and the MODs are just letting it go?

I attacked him because he makes a claim that makes no sense. "Oh, MS cant protect their products so how can they protect us". Tell me if that makes ANY sense

No it doesn't make any, but it states right above the text box "Foul language and personal attacks will not be tolerated." Yet in the past two days it has been getting worse.

Yup. Sure has. There are just alot of haters and trolls out there...Then you got people who think what they think is gold, then the guys who think they know what they are talking about but just surround their jibberish with buzz-words. Then you got the guys who don't even read your post and just look for that one spelling error you made and only mention that in the reply. Less I forget about all the people who hate America on this board and jump on it like a cat in heat whenever something about the US comes up on this site. Then you got the people who find a way to bring the war in Iraq up in just about everything. People that hate Microsoft because their dude Bob hates them, then of course the people who hate it jsut because it's a large organization. Then the people who hate Microsoft because they use Linux and nothing in the whole world could ever by any means be better than [Insert Linux Distro. here]. Then the people who don't even read the artical and just post a message in the heat of the moment talking about how much it sucks. Then you got the people who cannot spell, then you got the people that SCREAM IN ALL CAPS in the hopes that [Insert BetaNews username here] will cry in front of his keyboard after realizing how wrong he really was.

At this point they probably don't care. If I was BetaNews I would just post fake stories to get the fourms going. Headline: "Firefox voted crappiest browser by People magazine!"

LMAO... So funny. Yes I have done a few of those things too, I think most on here that post a lot have.

" 99% of software has a crack for any version of its products" - false
There is some methods of protection, wich is almost uncrackable.
Good examples - last versions of WinGate and StarForce CD copy protection.
If WGA is so important, MS could do somethig to make it strong.
But yes - for "i-glued-this-code-to-monitor" users this will work.

Wrong. you know what gives programmers cracks? People. Its inside information. You can't tell me that there are programs out there so well done, that it can reverse engineer any program, and produce a crack. Bulls***! I am a programmer, and the only way they are cracking our programmers, is some mal adjusted, weanie is so disillusioned with their job, that they tell someone how to do it. That's why we build in protection schemes that not every programmer is privy to, so you may have a piece or two, but not all.

MS can protect their software, for one, when you connect to their site, it will check by machine type, video, hard drive sid, there are a bunch of aggregrate info derived from your machine, that makes it unique. That combined with the serial number from the product you purchased from MS, is what makes it protected. Would you give away your serial number to your product? Only if you are a dumb ass, or if you didn't pay for the serial number/license, a la, MSDN or company installed software, which is why we NEVER allow users to install their own products.

You may *THINK* all software is crackable, but you would be incorrect. Only the lazy and stupid ALLOW their software to be hacked. MS is neither, this crack allows you to install it, but just wait until its on the internet.. and you have to get windows updates.. then we will see who is laughing. When your windows installation is frozen, and your data is encrypted, and you have to call MS for a key just to get your data back.. then we will see who is who.

And for those of you thinking of replying, by saying "I have cracked software, and a pirated key..". Please, don't be dumb ass, we don't need to know who you are. You are only making yourself look really cheap and dumb by announcing you have pirated software.

If you have to steal software and use copywrited material, I can't wait until you get your indentity stolen or something that is taken from you or your company loses millions to theft, then maybe you will learn your lesson. This copying and stealing is fun for a time, but after a while, you will realize its just not worth. Use it and pay for it, or don't use it at all.

"Bulls***! I am a programmer, and the only way they are cracking our programmers, is some mal adjusted, weanie is so disillusioned with their job, that they tell someone how to do it."

No if you use VB .Net or anything close to that then it's simply an added or removed line of code that stops it from checking the dll or whatever check you have. This isn't how all work so don't flame me on it. That is just how a lot of them work. You maybe a programmer, but keep in mind you are on one side of the ball while the "hackers" are on the other.

EDIT: I don't use pirated or cracked software I BUY EVERYTHING I use! So please think a little more wider before you reply to this post and try to flame me.

Hey, you "BUY EVERYTHING"?
OMG, you´re stupid!
You really think Windows is worth 300? Office worth 500?
Thank to this stupid thought people buy CDs for 30 dollars... The artist gets 3 dollars and the company takes 27 dollars.
If Windows or Office or any other software cost 20, 30, 50 dollars I´d buy it, but I ain´t helping Bill Gates get 90 % of what is paid and the hard working people who work for him get the other 10%...
Get a life, dude, and don´t give us this crap!

Umm...

It's called the law... it's good to follow sometimes.

You can argue all day long about what the just price is for something, but the truth is, you really can't change it. The real issue is stealing, which law enforcement seems to frown upon for some strange reason.

Maybe Windows would be cheaper if 1) people paid for it in the first place or 2) they didn't have to spend so much on development of their anti-piracy measures.

And before you call me stupid too, I said "maybe."

ROFL

But you forgot about the people that don't use punctuation and just have a long sentence forever and ever because they are so smart and they can't break anything up because that would destroy the moment and everything they say is true because they know everything and like to tell other people about their all-knowing knowledge.

*deep breathe*

phew

OMG. I am just so stupid that I do it the correct way. I find deals on most everything I buy. I have hardly ever paid full price for anything. Before you cry and call others stupid you should just try and find a deal on something and that way you will be able to get a copy of what you want a nice price (my wifes copy of XP Pro was $12.50 USD from Miami U in Ohio).

Sounds like one of those sweetheart deals for colleges which means nothing to everybody else who must "subsidize" her student discounts.

I know of another college with cut rate prices for the popular NERO Burning Rom software; but so does COSTCO.

A local university out here has it's own secret dial up numbers for AOL. I used them occasionally off campus because the regular access lines were overloaded. I have long sinced switched to DSL...

since when are software discounts subsidized? MS just gives the discount. It's not paid for by anyone else. MS can afford it, so they do.

Yeah, I also buy a legitimate license for everything I use beyond a trial period. Why? Because the companies and employees of those companies deserve to be compensated for their work.

Congratulations, genius, for robbing from the rich by only paying $50 for a program that normally costs $300. Let's do the math, shall we? 10% of $50 is $5... so according to your genius explanation, that's all a programmer gets for his work... but wait, there's multiple programmers on a project, so that $5 has to be divided among ALL programmers... Meanwhile, the person who spent $300 on the program gives the developers $30 per copy according to your figures. So who's cheating who, genius?!

Nevermind, of course, that a large portion of employees at Microsoft live extremely profitable lives courtesy of the stock options the company provides (which, I'm sure being a genius you will realize are based on consumer purchasing patterns--- i.e. the more they sell, the better stock options become).

LOL, right on!

Part of the problem is that everyone thinks they have freedom of speech to say what they want at all times overlooking the fact that our constitution grants that right as it relates to government control over us.

What we do have the right to do is say what we want and be proven to be a complete moron... sometimes, over and over again, lol.

And everybody else pays more for that damned CD rom on the open markets. Suckers are also making up the difference for the overseas sales of the "ten dollar" Windows XP starter kits.

You pay more income taxes because not all of the 501-C3 tax exempt orgs are in the business of doing charitable works.

Maybe one day you'll wake up. ILLEGAL aliens get cheaper tuition rates, than your own kids, if they attend schools in 49 other states. What kind of crap is this?

Hmm, well I suppose the tuition rates can vary from school to school, but here at the college I attend (and work at!) they pay MORE for tuition because of VISA paperwork, insurance, and other extra charges such as English training and other special programs. They have very little access to scholarships here, because it's a private school.

As for the reason that students pay less for software, it's obvious... as students we make very little money, so we can't afford it. Microsoft offers the discounted student rates so that we can buy the software and increase their market, so that when we leave school we are accustomed to their software that is used in the business world... we save, they increase business... it's a win-win situation.

So genius, perhaps you need to take a nap and rest that burned-out brain of yours.

ok. now you're just plain lying. I know for a fact that immigrants, illegal or otherwise, pay more - lots more. I work with a girl that paid FOUR TIMES as much money to attend the same college I'm going to right now.

Hey, if he wants to buy it, you're not going to stop him.

More importantly, if you don't want to pay for windows, Don't! And shut up about it. Finaly, I don't think music CD really apply here, software just isn't on the same level.

As long as MS makes money, they will continue to find ways to make more money.

Side Note: And I agree, I wouldn't pay 2 cents for XP. For the price, I expect a little something more.

So all program cracks start inside the company? I won't spend to much time explaining how to tear a piece of software apart for you but please keep in mind that if anything can be engineered then it sure enough can be reverse-engineered.

PS. SoftICE

Normally it's the other way around man.

How are you going to say false and then say it's almost uncrackable? On top of that you mention CD protection of all things for your example...All they are ever going to do is stop Joe Blow from using Nero to make a copy of WindowsXP/Game/Etc. for his friend.

You are never going to stop the people that want to get around it and have the know how to make it happen.

Most illegal aliens and immigrants last stop in life would be a private collage. Hell, the same goes for myself because I don't have thousands to spend on a 'fine-tuned' education.

Don't have anything like "English Training" they just put them in the class and expect everyone to adjust to the Somali's washing their feet in the bathroom sink or these weird Indians that leave in the middle of class to go and pray under the steps (found out this is more of a secret code/excuse to smoke more weed).

Long story short they get so many tax breaks in this country it makes you wish you had to wash your feet in the sink because those people goto the same school I wish I could for next to nothing and really don't have a clue what is going on. (Sometimes the Somali's do know, but they just pretend they don't.)

A little off-topic but these are the exact same people that talk s*** about United States non-stop...just sit in the same room with them and they scream about it.

not really. This friend I work (mentioned above) also with has several friends and family members that also immigrated to the U.S. They all pay more. And it is a state college - not private.

Maybe every single one of them is an exception, but I think that's highly unlikely. I dunno. I guess I could be wrong, but in my experience, immigrants have always paid more.

I think that is totally cool! :)

HAR!

I like it. :)

There will always be ways around these kinda things, just depends on how far you are willing to go to accomplish the mission!