RSSWindows XP Unveiled in New York
By Nate Mook | Published October 25, 2001, 6:54 PM
With over 50 partners in tow, Microsoft on Thursday kicked off Windows XP in New York's Times Square. Alongside Regis Philbin, Mayor Rudolph Giuliani, and top industry CEOs, Bill Gates ushered in the biggest change to Windows in over six years. In his keynote address, the Microsoft Chairman highlighted improvements over XP's predecessors and said goodbye to DOS forever. "This is a version of Windows that will take the PC industry to new heights," Gates told the more than 1500 attendees.
Steve Ballmer commanded a similar event in London.
Windows XP combines the reliability of Windows 2000 with the usability of Windows Me -- minus the crashes. "Windows XP is the most powerful, fastest, most reliable operating system we have ever done. We've poured literally billions of dollars of development into this new product. That was based on the feedback we had from our users, based on a vision of new activities that the PC could enable," stated Gates.
Focusing on entertainment, communication and productivty, Gates invited Windows group head Jim Allchin to showcase customers using the new operating system. Allchin extended his gratitude for the feedback supplied by beta testers. "You helped develop this product and I really, really appreciate it," he said. Thank you."
Allchin also mused while reminiscing about his coming to Redmond. "I didn't think that this was the place for me. I thought maybe the right thing to do was to go to a company that believed in really reliable systems...So it's been an exciting journey for me and the team, and today we’re unleashing that real system, a system that’s more reliable, more secure and easier to use."
Windows XP upgrades run $99 and $199 USD for Home and Professional editions, respectively. The full version of Home Edition retails at $199 USD, with Professional demanding a heftier $299 USD. Professional adds improved networking capabilities and multi-processing support.
To get the word out, Microsoft has embarked on a $1 billion joint marketing campaign to promote Windows XP. From street vendors to giant billboards, Times Square was plastered with XP propaganda. Retailers began stocking store shelves in preparation for the festivities. Free RAM and antivirus software were offered to sweeten the deal for early adopters.
To end the day's events, Sting -- complete with a Windows XP backdrop -- performed to a packed crowd at Bryant Park. Thousands of New Yorkers lined the streets to catch a glimpse of the concert.
http://www.infoworld.com...10/29/011029tcwinxp.xml
'Our tests of the multitasking capabilities of Windows XP and Windows 2000 demonstrated that under the same heavy load on identical hardware, Windows 2000 significantly outperformed Windows XP. In the most extreme scenario, our Windows XP system took nearly twice as long to complete a workload as did the Windows 2000 client.'
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|I attended, and it was great. Windows XP is a great new product. It's a worth a try. You'll all like it.
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|Let me start off by saying that I'm not anti-MS. Win2k was an outstanding accomplishment. The stability in that OS was unprecedented and may never be realized again. From my experience, Win XP is about as reliable as the lowly Windows Millenium. Ignore the glamorous Madonna commercials...this OS is an absolute farce. I've tried RC1 through the final version and every build has given me problems. Actually, earlier Neptune and Whistler builds were more reliable than Windows XP. I run a very common hardware config (Realtek NICs, Nvidia TNT2 vid card, SB live, etc) with 512 MB RAM on an Athlon 700 but this OS crashes more than it should. I've had windows media player, outlook, IE6 and even word crash on me. There's also a lovely bug that happens about once a day that turns 90% of the desktop gray so you can't see your icons. I will hold my breath for the first service pack.
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|I'm quite surprised to hear that. I've had the Whistler build and one of the RCs, and now XP Pro. All have been stable on multiple machines. I've been running XP Pro now (P4 1.5ghz, nVidia card) since the 15th and the only thing that has crashed is Visual Studio.NET. It crashes a little more often than the install on my Win2k box.
I think your machine is just cursed =)
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|I've heard that the WinXP television commercials has it's users trying to fly, much like fairies and sprites would. Some were trying to flap their arms but not succeeding! That's so gay that I laughed for a good five minutes when I heard it!
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|Now I'm going to have to turn the TV on hahahahaha!
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|Wow you're pretty quick to blame XP. I've been running win2k since it was released up until now. Now I'm using XP, and alot of my friends are using XP. NOBODY I've talked to that is using XP is complaining about stability at all, everybody is actually saying how stable, smooth and fast it is, even compared to win2k. I was actually surprised at how fast and stable XP is running on all the pc's in my house (Athlon xp 1800, Athlon tbird 800, and a pentium 2 500), all the pc's are running that much better since I've switched from 2k to XP. Maybe you should check your setup...and if you did an upgrade from another OS that might cause instability...I've heard reports of unstable upgrades (although I know 2 people that did an upgrade and are running completely fine).
I haven't had to reboot my PC in like 2 weeks...it's amazing ;)
-Niro
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|So how much did it cost to upgrade all of the computers at your house?
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|that would be none of your business, and not the topic of this converstaion.
-Niro
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|Ahh, you must have gotten it the alt.binaries method then :-P I wouldn't blame you, no MS O/S is worth $199.00 *per computer* (or even $99 to upgrade)
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|Yes, but if you zoom in on the s***s of the people that can't fly, you will see that they have penguin logo's on their s***s.
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|Well, he did say he had an Athlon :)
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|Exactly my thought. AMD CPUs aren't the big problem ... its the chipsets they run on, maybe he needs some new 4 in 1s :rolleyes:
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|i have the same hardware you do.... no problems here. sounds like you did something wrong :)
if you run 2000, there's no real need for you to get XP anyway. stick with 2k for a while.
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|hello mr TNT2 user!
i can tell you right now that the Grey desktop is because of the fact that the TNT2 overheats when using full hardware capabilities.
as the WinXP UI uses hardware accelerated graphics allover, this should make the card overheat easily. for the other problems. check your memory with some advanced software. it might be damaged.
only one broken bit is enough to crash the system...
or the processor could use a bigger fan.. overheating is a major problem with AMD and Nvidia especially older trimmed versions like the TNT2. email me if you wish; ayreon@telia.com
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|A few days ago, we had a possible hijacking scare in a passing private jet. The plane landed, was surrounded by police, and was held on the tarmac for two hours while authorities contacted the pilots via radio. Eventually, one by one, the people on the plane exited with their hands raised high.
The device used to signal the air traffic controllers malfunctioned, and released a single 'squawk', and the AIT's asked the pilots if anything was wrong. They replied no, but not mentioned by either sides was the possibility of a hijacking. THe authorities took no chances, and treated it like a potential hijacking.
Naturally it turns out that the hardware malfunction caused the unneccesary precaution. The passengers were delayed from their destination for a few hours, and nothing more.
The passengers were five top executives from AOL-Time-Warner, one including Bill Raduchel, vice-president.
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|You're right, it was COMPLETELY UNRELATED
but you were wrong, it wasn't very interesting :P
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|Have you people who say Win2k is better than XP ever used win2k pro and XP pro. Haven't you seen Explorer in Win 2k stuck and you can't do anything even shutdown the computer in less then 10minutes and i must say that I have seen my XP crashing just twice since May's RC1. Please people don't just talk cuz you hate Micro$oft. I don't like their financial philosophy as well but look at XP now it's not one of those Windows ####(number) junks it's something new.
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|I have XP Pro on 1.8P4 with 256pc800 and it runs great!
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|Windows XP is quite possibly Microsoft's best product (although I'm quite fond of the .NET platform). Very stable, very easy to use, fast, and finally a new UI. I love the built in firewall. Today I upgraded my home edition to professional. It took 55 minutes and I only had to respond to one or two dialogues. Not one hitch.
Come on folks, what OS is this easy to use, this nice looking, this compatible..? WinXP has built in support for over 12,000 (!) devices. What OS supports that many devices? What OS will automatically ask you to send a report in when a program crashes?
Yes yes, Linux is secure. KDE is nice looking. But come on, half the time you get the pleasure of editing a damn text file to make a device work, or to enable a feature. This is absurd and mundane. Mac OS? Joke. BeOS? Not bad, but meant for internet appliances.
Windows and MS critics who are going to flame this post, give XP a chance. I agree Win98 wasn't that great, ME was just horrible. Windows 2000 is awesome, and XP just extends that.
XP is what an OS *should* be.
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|Personally, I wouldn't complain so much if Win Whatever LET me edit a text file to make a device work, or to enable a feature. My biggest rant is that Windows "protects you from yourself" to the extent that it prevents you from modifying / fixing / editing the computer when you KNOW what you are doing. If I don't want a pop-up menu, and extra link to click through, to warn me away from my /Program Files/ and /Windows/ and /Windows/System/ folders, then I should be able to tell it once and for all "Shut UP and let me do what I need to do! I want to hexedit the code for my freakin' assembly language simulator, and I don't need to be warned away from my program files for the 15th time today!!!" Linux / Unix may indeed be a trick to learn, and very non-user-friendly... but at least it is customisable in the way that I fear Windows will never be. It doesn't scold you like an opressive mother, protecting you from any possible way that you might possibly have a possibility of hurting yourself; rather, it warns you once, and shuts up. When I log into /root, Linux warns me that I could mess things up... and then it lets me. The role of the OS is NOT to second-guess every move we make, changing and "fixing" things in the background without telling us, when oft as not it is "fixing" a tweak we enabled to customise / stabilise the OS or a program. So my rant is not with Windows, per se... it is rather with the mentality that enforces computer illiteracy; catering to it (not necessarily bad) AND stifling resultant learning (quintessentially evil) as it regresses to Fisher Price levels of safety and intelligence.
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|turn the warning functions off then. ever tried that?
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|nothing more to say ......
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|Just like the OS you use....by the way, what OS *do* you use? And please explain why XP is crap, without all the MS-bashing partylines.
James Wheat
http://belprecomputerwizard.com
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|Why I'd rather use Windows 2000 instead of Windows XP:
- greater stability
- less disk space requirements
- less memory requirements
- greater performance (not in bootup time, of course, but once it's up and running)
- lack of annoying visual fluff (e.g. the more cumbersome Search dialog)
- lack of 'Activation'
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|When i first got win XP Pro i loved it, and its a great operating system, but the fact that the new interface looses its flare very soon and that 4, yes 4 of the same network processes have to run taking about 35mb ram is a joke, on fast machines with 256mb+ ram this might not be an issue at all and if your a home user who cant play games on 2k, this OS is for you! For anyone else i urge you to stay with 2k...
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|In other words.........
- greater stability = I need a better computer
- less disk space requirements = I need a bigger hard drive (Very CHEAP)
- less memory requirements = I need more RAM (Very CHEAP)
- greater performance (not in bootup time, of course, but once it's up and running) = I need a better computer
- lack of annoying visual fluff (e.g. the more cumbersome Search dialog) = But its OK for MAC and Linux to include more fluff
- lack of 'Activation' = Makes it hard for me to warez it
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|Yes, you're right. In order to have Windows XP work at the same level as Windows 2000, users must upgrade their processor, RAM, and hard drive. All for what again? A bunch of useless fluff I - and the average user - don't need? No thanks, I'll keep my Windows 2000.
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|Oh, and I'm not too thrilled about all the new bugs introduced in Windows XP... That's the primary reason I switched back.
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|Actually, I am running WinXP Pro on the same box I was running Win2K Pro on, and I have noticed a big increase in speed, with only *ONE* bluescreen when I was playing to much with certain settings.
By the way- I know a lady that crashed Linux in less than an hour, while it took her just under 24 to crash Win2K Pro...now THAT was a text! LOL!!
James Wheat
http://belprecomputerwizard.com
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|I just wanted to set the record straight...you can install Windows 40 billion times if you want. You can change hardware if you want. They aren't going to make you buy Windows again, no matter what you do to your computer. What you DO need to do, if you radically change your configuration multiple times is activate again. But so what? That just means connecting to the internet or making a phone call.
I got all this information from ExtremeTech (http://www.extremetech.c...3D1%2526ap%253D2,00.asp), which as far as I know is unaffiliated with Microsoft in any way.
So calm down about WPA. If you still hate it, just pirate XP and shut up, or realize it isn't that big a deal and use it.
Anthracks
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|Before, I would have to agree with you that Windows XP is stable and etc.. Sadly, with certain hardware configurations, WIndows XP is worst than anything that I've experienced so far.
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|With certain hardware configurations? What OS *isn't* great with certain "configurations"? Would you mind letting us know what problems you had with your "certain hardware" configurations?
James Wheat
http://belprecomputerwizard.com
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|I think he's complaining cuz he's having a problem running XP on his 486 with 8MB of RAM, and the $2 no name video card. Certain hardware configuration like that MAY have problems with XP, man can't MS do ANYTHING right?!?!?! ;)
-Niro
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|We had the release of XP yesterday! I had to wait 2 weeks after the US release of Win 2000 before it came here.
What's happened?
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|It is win2k with skins...Take a look at it!
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|Yeah right! But you obviously should try a bit harder then just taking a look. How about trying XP for a month or two and then comment on it?
It really IS the best OS so far. I've been trying it since september 18th.... and it performs better then I expected. BTW I switched off all the skins stuff after first hour of using it.
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|is XP really worth it when you think about WPA? because of WPA I don't dare buy it I'll stick with windows 2000 and I hear that even if you have the requierments that the performace is crappy unless you have a 1 Ghz or faster computer. it's a faster more compatible adn stable version of Windows 2000 with WPA.
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|If you comply to the licensing agreement, WPA is nothing to worry about.
Performance is great, even with skins, on a 600-700mhz processor, 128mb of RAM, and a video card that has decent 2D performance.
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|That's not true. You don't need a gigahertz processor to get good performance. One of the computers I have running XP Professional is a 333MHZ Celeron w/512MB RAM and an NVIDIA TNT.
The main thing that dictates performance in XP is memory, and it also helps if you have a graphics card whose drivers support GDI+ (any NVIDIA card from TNT up, and maybe recent ATI cards, don't know about other manufacturers). This will accelerate user interface elements like alpha-blending, shadows, and various animations.
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|I heard something about you having a limt of 8 installs and you's need to buy a new licence after you used up your installs, I install Windows alot (I screw up my comp alot) here a website all about WPA
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|oops forgot to puut he URL in lol http://j-walk.com/ss/excel/activation.htm
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|i run xp on my 233 with 64 meg of mem and it runs great no problems
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|Have you bothered to read *any* information about XP at all? All your concerns have been addressed many many times over in the past. You could at least make a feeble attempt to find out on your own before just slamming it.
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|If you can't install it after 8 times, sue Microsoft. Consumers have rights, and I'm pretty sure Microsoft is aware of them.
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|Err, you run XP on 64meg of RAM? Ewww...
Windows 2000 was shocking on 64meg, but was fine with 128. I've only used XP on 128 and up, and I would not want to imagine it on less. I'm guessing your box would be swapping as soon as you've booted...
Ewww...
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|You don't really have to worry about WPA because you just use the Corporate Edition copy that's for download all over the place.
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|well if you could give me URL's that state facts about my misunderstanding then I'll shut up, are there any non-MS sites that would help get rid of my concerns?
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|If I'm not mistaken, Microsoft also has the right to protect their software.
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|yes, Microsoft has that right but they should take thier right and use it to the best of thier ability not to interfere with the honest user and limiting the XP install to 8 is just plain wrong. if we pay $200 dollars you own a software package we should decide how many time we can install it and how it's installed
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|it is "similar" to 2000... but if you think its just "2000" with skins go get windowblinds and put it on a 2000 machine...wow...its that easy??? your gonna be somthing someday....look out bill gates!!!!
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|Yes, and consumers have the right to protect their rights too.
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|Ever read the license agreement of any version of windows. This product is copyright of Microsoft and they can change anything without notice. Something to that effect. So for all your concerns of you can not install more then 8 times and you people that say I should have a right to install when and where I want is personally ridiculious(spelling is bad). Let me ask you something. If you developed a software package and sold it would you want people making copies and installing it all over gods creation. I think not because that is hard earn money out of your pocket. Yeah I know microsoft makes billions or trillions but they still need to pay their programmers and staff for developing such a good product. Wow never thought I actually say those words about Microsoft product but I have been impressed with the OS.
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|You can install it an unlimited number of times...it's stated right in the agreement, so quit complaining...
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|It runs faster than W2K on all the machines I've tested it on in the last several months. P2-450 128mb all the way up to an Athlon 1800+ with 512mb.
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|I was certain that Microsoft will get rid of WPA after lots of complains from home users and small businesses, but now I’m only more confident that I’ll not shell out $200-300 for products that includes all that crap that I’ll never use but I’ll be forced to install – do I need movie maker, MSN Explorer or MSN messenger and their crappy hotmail or passport account where daily I receive over 100 spam e-mails? If they can offer a good e-mail account that it would make a sense but now I can only use it just for the same spam as I’m receiving.
As far as stability and compatibility I’ve not seen any blue screens on my wk2 pro machine (I have couple computers at home) so that’s another reason why I won’t pay just for fancy UI (ala AOL – which I hate). Come on Microsoft – don’t you realize that just because of WPA you’ll lose more clients and let pirates make more money? Does anyone have results of yesterdays XP sales? I’m wondering how many copies did Microsoft sell on Oct 25th.
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|Yes, and 9 out of 10 times those very same licenses have been thrown out of court too. (Unless you are in a UCITA state) Unless a consumer SIGNS a license the consumer can not be held liable. One of these days the software market will understand that, every other market does.
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|Uhmm... you can uninstall messenger and other thigs quite easliy. Just browse to your \windows\inf folder and edit the file sysoc.inf delete all the test that says 'hide', but do NOT delete the commas ONLY the words. Now you can remove it and several other things under the Add/Remove Windows Components
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|That’s sweet. By a chance do you know what is WMI (it is the last option under Add/Remove components) thanks
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|Great OS, but it is a shame about the price tag. Windows eXPensive is not worth the money unless you are being driven to despair by 9x crashes.
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|Ok, I don't know where this 8 number came from, but whoever came up with it pulled it out of their ass.
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|If you take the time to use/really read about XP, you would know that there is more than just what you listed.
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|The MSFT site says:
"If the hard disk is reformatted and the software is reinstalled, reactivation will be required. The same grace periods for activation apply in this situation. Reactivation on the same PC can be completed as many times as required. The activation can be completed via telephone or Internet."
on this page http://www.microsoft.com...roductactivationfaq.asp
I don't know how true it is...
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|My OEM cost for XP Home and XP Pro are just $10 more than getting Win98SE or ME (compaired to home) or Win2K Pro (compaired to XP Pro). I don't have to raise the price of systems I sell that $10, but I know of others that have seen it as a way to bump their prices up $50 or more for putting XP on.
James Wheat
http://belprecomputerwizard.com
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|Maybe you haven't noticed this, but you aren't FORCED to run Microsoft products last time I checked, damn communist
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|LOL, Are you sure about that?
Are you really sure about that?
I don't think that you're sure. LOL
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|I haven't seen the OEM price down here (NZ) but the Home upgrade costs $110 more than the comparable WinMe upgrade. The pro upgrade is about $150 more than the Win2k upgrade. The full editons are even worse!
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|I guess that goes to show- the retailers/OEMs will charge what they want. But, you know people will blame that on Microsoft, right?
James Wheat
http://belprecomputerwizard.com
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|When you can go to bestbuy and buy a PC with anything but windows installed then your arguement may hold water. Most computer users couldn't build it themselves, so don't go there. Calling someone a communist because they want to call Microsoft on their lies is wrong. That's like calling you a f**got because you might like the new XP user interface, do you want to start that sort of a war? I sure don't.
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|as a matter of fact, last pc i bought from best buy had red hat 7.0 pre installed...FROM THE STORE IF YOU ASK THEM TO PUT IT ON FOR YOU!! so, you DO have choices...:) just my 2 cents..btw, that was back in july when i did that..
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|I tried XP on my old machine, P200mmx, 64sdram, but that was too slow. It ran, but the lack of ram ruin the "experience" greatly. Under 128sdram on my PIII 600 though, it's beautiful, piece of art:) And I agree with something someone else wrote, this IS what an OS should be, none of that f*cking crashing 2-4/7. Though XP still has issues, it's much greater than Millenium Edition!! And I don't think it's just covered with fancy skins, it's more like 9x mixed with 2000... great OS:) The more ram the better too with it...
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|When people buy their computer (not build them,) they still have the choice of what the computer comes with, software, -->OS
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|Strange, that was what people were bashing Linux about in regards to drivers near the top: editing files to make your computer run the way you want it. At least they're up front with it in Linux (and it is often a pain in the ass)....
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|when i first installed xp my machine only had 60mb ram. It was slow but if you got rid of the new interfcae it ran fine, just like 2k.
but wots the poing in having xp without the new style? my 256 megs came very quicky ;-)
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|Dude.. you're right.. But you know what?
In my opinion the other features are not worth mentioning...
In fact non of the features are worth mentioning
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|Yes CPUGuy that is one thing I can agree on "right outta his ass" :-)
Made me smile, as I have been reading all the comments here from ButtWad with the "its a load of crap" to the other people who seem to have a clue, yeah WPA is intresting but then again if you stick to the rules then you dont have anything to worry about 1 Copy 1 Machine and you can do with it as you please - no "8" timnes crap.
As for it is "Windows 2000" with a new look - As Microsoft have said it is built on the eXPeriance of Windows 2000 - Clue Time there I think.
Seems that so many people read all the web b*ll*x and think 100% of what they read is true HARD fact. Such a shame as most of the anti MS sites have been harping on about the evils of WPA, the fact that it has this built in and that option on - who really give's a flying f*** as long as it boots and runs and things install ok and you can use the computer for what you brought it for does it really matter? It's not like cancer or AIDS FFS it's a PS operating system, some people need to get outside more often and either see what's really going on in the world rather than jerking off over something "evil Gates" did to the world because he personally WROTE the software and HE MADE you go and buy it AND he made WPA and and and ... the list is endless ...
Time for some people to get back to the real world and just except that Windows XP was logical for Microsoft just like 98 was for 95 and DOS 6 over DOS 4 etc times change and modern machines needs an OS that performs and this is not aimed at the people who scream I can run Linux on my 286 and its fine and I can surf and I can play doom - well bully for you - enjoy :-)
Well I better go before the GMen come and beat me to death with a Red Hat CD ;/
Have a good weekend and yeah go out and eXPeriance a few things like a nice summer night or a movie or even a beer or two - Your PC will still be there when you come home.
Defiant
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|That rumor was perpetrated by the "Anti-MS Community". I heard it from a know it all Linux script kiddie a few weeks ago.
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|Yes, Once again: That rumor was perpetrated by the "Anti-MS Community". I heard it from a know it all Linux script kiddie a few weeks ago.
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|Mlody, is this a machine at work? Just curious.. Check this link http://msdn.microsoft.co...art_5kth.asp?frame=true
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|Don't exactly understand how microsoft is violating end-user rights by using WPA, but whatever fewt. I'm sure it'll just be more pro-linux bulls*** anyways. One question; if a car company built a car and started giving it away for free, but no one except a select few wanted it, what would that say about the car? Probably crap, eh? Or that those that use it are a select few with very specific needs. Something to think about. When an OS comes out that truly is a worthy adversary to a MS OS, then more power to them...but unfortunately, linux isn't it. Sorry to burst your bubble. Some people *aren't* network admins, and actually like to use their computer for something, like running programs, a -wide variety- of games, etc etc, not just reading about these products in a crappy Netscape browser, being run inside a fruity, hodge-podge sloppy GUI winmanager. My $.02
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|Preach on brother!
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|Then don't buy XP! No one's putting a gun to your head!! If you like 2k, then freakin' stay with it! Jeezus...
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|Opera is kludgy? Konqueror is kludgy? KDE is a hodge podge windowmanager? Wow boy you have some balls! No brains mind you or you would have at least booted Linux before you attempted to spread s*** about it, but you do have balls. My "Linux Bias" a** was in applestore last night researching how apple's latest powerbooks and OS/X can replace my current linux machines, so before you go likening me to a biggot, biggot you need to get your facts straight. :-P
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|Oh they do do they? Do you get your money back from the Windows license that was bundled with it?
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|And did they refund the price of the Windows license?
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|So that automatically means it was started by some linux person? Maybe he was black too?
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|Ok, then tell me where I can get a PC bundled with hardware options exactly like a presario at the presario's pricepoint, WITHOUT Windows. What's that you say, I can't? Well then I guess one will have to buy that presario and in the process purchase, and be stuck with Windows XP even if it is never used. That my friend is what your wonderful uncle bill has done for *ME* (joe consumer) today.
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|Funny, the only drivers I have had to install were my WinModem driver, and my Lexmark driver. I didn't even have to install drivers for my Clik drive, either of my Digital cameras (One is USB mind you) my video card, or my soundcard. Why do people say that Linux is hard to configure? My Winmodem driver was as easy as make;make install (yeah, it tells you how in the readme) my Lexmark driver was as easy as clicking a shell script.. Go figure someone actually puts effort into something. Windows is the lazy man's O/S. That was what it was designed to be. Why else would it be chock full of checkboxes and wizards? LOL!
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|FYI, to answer your question from threads past, no my office is downtown.
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|KDE is a pile of s***, it's ugly, bulky, and just not good.
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|Those are strong words! LOL It's stable, fast (it's slower than other desktops though) and is fluid. You must be thinking kde 2.0 ;-) 2.2.1 is nothing like it. I haven't seen it crash yet, and I have it running on multiple machines.
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|I've been a Slackware user since '95, so yeah, I have booted it, as well as Solaris, FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD, BeOS, QNX, and a plethora of minor OS's. And I can honestly say that each of the programs you listed are indeed piles of s***e...as well as the OS they typically run on, except when said OS is in a server enviroment, which is its only true calling. I just wish stubborn fools like you would give up and accept the cold hard fact of what linux is good for.
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|Typically, most anti-MS propaganda is spread by Linux kiddies. Read /. much? Such a bitter little man you are...
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|Most people that would purchase a bundled system would more than likely *want* windows on their system. But your right, just to be fair, companies should cater to the whims of a few zealots. Guess that's why VA Linux went over so mind-blowingly well, right?
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|You complain that Windows is the lazy man's OS, yet that's what Linux is striving to be. Make up your freaking mind. "oh, wait, we can't make this too easy, it'd be too much like Windows". Of course, the more I read your comments, the more I start to think that you're probably a RedHat user, using a standard out-of-the-box default kernel. Try walking your Mom through a custom kernel config process, then come back and tell me how much fun it was.
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|Were they as cutting edge as your overclocked 233? I've never seen DOS crash on my fathers old 386 either...should I start doing cartwheels?
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|well said!
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|doh!
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|What the hell is wrong with a 233? Did I say it was my desktop? Who needs more than a 233 for a server at home? You like pushing my buttons huh piss ant, well you aren't getting anywhere so you may as well quit while you are ahead LOL.
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|You are an idiot, you have never booted any of the O/S's you've listed LOL You probably couldn't login to one if you had. Go back to high school boy LOL!
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|I'm a bitter little man now because I made a comment about his prejudice? ROTFLMFAO! Screw you.. LOL!
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|Why would your mother need to compile her kernel? You are talking completely out of your ass, you wouldn't know make zImage from make bzImage if I read the paragraph to you. There is nothing wrong with a canned kernel if you are a newbie user. Find a post where I said that I wanted Linux to look like Windows. Go home ya g** d*** mental midget. (ROTFLMFAO)
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|oh..
Mom, hey it's me.
Take that .config that's in your email, save it to /usr/src/linux
ok, now open a shell and su -
cd /usr/src/linux
make dep && make && make install && make modules && make modules_install && cat /etc/lilo.conf | sed s/vmlinuz-2.2.13/vmlinuz-2.4.13/g>/etc/lilo.conf && lilo -v && shutdown -r +5
yeah, that was tough, all cut and paste. stfu, btfu, and walk on home boy.
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|Oh, you're right...I've never used any of those operating systems. I'm just some idiot high school kid. Just like you're the senior sysadmin for verizon. Computers and operating systems are a hobby to me...unlike you, where it seems as though they are your reason for existance. Get a life, and go spend some time with your wife and kid (if they actually exist). Do something fun, teach them how to network your trailer...or maybe something educational, like the value of actually using soap. The options are limitless!
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|Hmm...you only listed a few systems...and actually, I seem to recall you saying that your main system was running on an overclocked p233. But hey, your version of reality is whatever you make of it, Captain Verizon.
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|VA was a failure waiting to happen, I didn't give them any of my money for that very reason.
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|Soap and trailers LOL So now I'm trailer trash? Funny LOL! Keep flippin 'dem burgers buddy.
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|No, my server is an overclocked 233, my main computer is a Toshiba Laptop.
I'd like a #1, super sized. Gimme extra ketchup too. Idiot.
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|Did he get *charged* would be the more important question. Like, did they grab that $80 retail boxed edition of RedHat, or did he have his own? What kind of tech support does he have on the system now that it has RedHat on, instead of Windows? THAT'S what I would like to hear.
James Wheat
http://belprecomputerwizard.com
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|Geez, Fewt..why would you want a Compaq in the first place? UGH!! LOL!!
Anyway, *I* can sell you a computer without Windows, or even an OS, for that matter.
James Wheat
http://belprecomputerwizard.com
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|log on to Hotmail. try the "JUNK MAIL" option.
Open some Junk mails, press the block button, or whatever it's called. it's there because of you guys that have been on Spyware activated sites, and wrote your Email adress down somewhere.
yet again; do not complain if you aren't sure of what your'e complaining about.
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