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Windows Server for Consumers: Is There a Place in the Home?

By Scott M. Fulton, III, BetaNews

May 25, 2007, 4:17 PM

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JOEL SIDER, Group Product Manager for Windows Home Server, Microsoft: Home automation is an existing category out there, kind of limited in scope, but we think with Home Server as a very accessible, affordable, simple, always on platform in the home, you’re providing this great platform for home automation applications. So you use Home Server as your management of your home security and your appliances and your lighting and your heating, potentially – all sorts of interesting possibilities there. Those things will develop over time.

SCOTT FULTON, BetaNews: Those have been possibilities for a number of years.

JOEL SIDER: But not necessarily accessible to the broadest possible market.

SCOTT FULTON: I just came from the Unified Communications demo. When Microsoft wanted to get that done...it worked with at least nine vendors, it developed standards, it built a conceptual platform around which that could be based. I would think that home automation would need something similar – shall we say a “common home device interface.”

JOEL SIDER: [silence]

SCOTT FULTON: Is that agreement? Or is that...?

JOEL SIDER: Yea...We feel like Home Server fits the bill.

SCOTT FULTON: It does that, you’re saying?

JOEL SIDER: Well...it is a server operating system on a device that will be, in most cases, always on – which you need in home automation – and it’s an applications platform that other companies in the automation space can build on top of. Much like Microsoft’s business model across the company, we’re providing a platform, and these other companies are going to innovate interesting home automation applications that can easily be applied to this platform. Because it’s Windows, it can scale.

SCOTT FULTON: You mentioned being always on. That’s something home users aren’t always accustomed to doing, leaving the computer on.

JOEL SIDER: Right, and this is probably one of the key reasons that we specify with our OEM partners, this is a dedicated, headless device that people essentially install and then leave alone. It’s not something we would want you to put on the machine that you’re also using as a workstation, because that workstation may very well be a laptop that you take out of the house.
Yes, in some ways there’s some education required in explaining this to consumers, certainly. But it’s a real interesting possibility, especially since we’re seeing so many third-party applications start to take shape.

SCOTT FULTON: Now, we always see demonstrated the benefits of Home Server as a media server. We rarely see demonstrated its benefits as a server - a general-purpose computing platform, as in a small business. The possibility exists for the head of household and their children to utilize it as their main applications platform for the house, and to have their own laptops wirelessly connected to it, using it as Windows Server 2003. I’m wondering, how much effort has been done to consider marketing the computing part of this, rather than just the media part.

JOEL SIDER: Sure. I might adjust what you said a little bit: We focused on three core areas, that out of the box this is really going to deliver, especially in this first version: [One,] very easy no-touch backup and very easy restore, so if something goes wrong with one of your computers, you’re able to rewind to when it was working fine; [two,] a central place to keep everything where everyone can get to it; and [three,] again, that remote access capability. Being able to get to your home server while you’re on vacation, and you want to clear out your card on your digital camera.



A demonstration of Windows Home Server being managed remotely through VistaThis segment of the big-screen demonstration from WinHEC's Day 1 keynotes show Windows Home Server being administered remotely through a frame in Vista, not unlike administering a virtual machine. Notice here where three home users are managed using group policy, in the midst of an alert telling the user that the firewall has just been disengaged. Group policy management can make it possible for a home admin to restrict a regular user's ability to disengage the firewall, going so far, the demonstration showed, as to enable that admin to revoke user privileges as punishment - for example, disable access to a user's private media folder. Consider the difficulty of deploying this technology on a system being marketed to what I called the "average Joe."


SCOTT FULTON: You have to provide the same Windows Server tools to the consumer world for the average Joe, for the guy who loses his remote under the chair.

JOEL SIDER: Yea, simplicity was job one. You’d asked about opening stuff, [and now you’re talking about closing stuff up]...We want to make it easy to really enjoy these three core areas.

SCOTT FULTON: A consumer is going to have so much in his budget, and he’s considering making an investment in digital media. He’s going to spend a big chunk for an HDTV, a 1080. He’s already considering a full-scale digital monthly service. He’s planning a dedicated broadband connection. He’s going to pay a lot for this. Windows Home Server comes along and asks him to pay how much more for the benefit of streaming? We’re not talking about a ghastly sum here, but we’re talking about what, $800?

JOEL SIDER: Pricing hasn’t really been confirmed, it’ll vary by OEM. A lot of that will depend on storage capacity, but certainly well south of $1000. Think about the price range of a low- to mid-desktop PC. I would say, it’s not solely for the streaming capability, but a lot of it is – and this is some of the things we have some interesting conversations about with our focus group participants – how much are your digital memories - which are really just your memories – [worth]? It’s not just our digital life, it’s our life. How much are your wedding photos and your children’s home videos and the photos of your daily life, worth to you? A lot of people answer, an incredible amount. Well worth the investment in something that’s going to give me that piece of mind, and know my systems are backed up, I’m never going to lose an invaluable photo or video or piece of music, I know we can all get to it, we can share it, we can participate in it together, and I can get to it from anywhere.

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By rsx508

posted May 29, 2007 - 2:38 PM

I'm waiting to see if they rename it to fit the rest of their product line (ie "Windows Live Home Server .NET 2008 Ultimate Premium Extras Edition").

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By frankwick

posted May 29, 2007 - 3:37 PM

Wow, that was clever.

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By PC_Tool

posted May 29, 2007 - 5:24 PM

Nah, it was Clever (Extra Special Super Improved Edition).

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By frankwick

edited May 29, 2007 - 10:04 AM

I have a Windows home server and it's called Windows Server 2003. It is mainly a 'hub' to connect all my extra junk to in a closet. I have 4 massive USB drives (for photo backups mainly), a scanner, and a printer all connected.

The USB drives are shared as network drives and I have backup jobs that run every week across the WiFi network.

The OS is VERY stable, even on the old Presario hardware it is running. The role-based setup of WS2K3 allowed me to install just the roles and devices I need for file & printer sharing. However, I realize that this is overkill for a home-server, so I would love to see something designed more for my needs. Perhaps the new Windows Home Server is what I need. I will look into it, but I will NOT replace my existing configuration until I am convinced it will work as flawlessly as what I have now.

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By PC_Tool

posted May 29, 2007 - 12:56 PM

Heh...

Damn beta stills says it *is* windows Server 2003, so you probably wouldn't be loosing *too* much. :p

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By robmanic44

posted May 28, 2007 - 6:24 PM

You always have a hot switchable drive on your system. It's only purpose is to backup your boot drive in case of failure. It doesn't appear as part of your drive space.

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By PC_Tool

edited May 26, 2007 - 8:12 PM

Recovering a WHS system:

-On a system with one one drive it disables duplication by default (since such a thing would be pointless) With more than one drive, it is enabled by default.

-Systems added to the group are automatically backed up and a restore ISO is automatically in the shared folders (along with the connector CD and the server installation CD).

Shared files:
If there are multiple drives in the system, it will be set up to duplicate these files across multiple drives. If one fails, simply replace it. If you do not have more than one drive in the system (homebuilt), Duh? You lose it all, just as you would in any other system.

The OS itself:

Simply re-install it. Nothing is stored in the OS "partition" that requires backup. Even the add-ins are stored elsewhere. Again, this is assuming there are multiple drives available which, as I understand it, will be a requirement on retail systems. Again, with homebuilt, well...you should know better, and would probably be using an alternative (free/OSS) system anyway.

These obviously aren't intended for use outside the home. As such, a lot of the tools for administering a Domains, Users, Directories, etc are not available as they're simply unnecessary and frankly, beyond the ken of the average home user.

Basically, if you want to be able to tinker with the settings, tune this, tweak that, or well, "administrate" the server, it's not for you. You install it (plug it in), install the connector on the other systems and let it be. There's really not much else you can do with it, which was kinda the whole point behind it. The less work for the home user, the better.

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By foxfyre

edited May 26, 2007 - 6:56 PM

Sorry to confuse you, as you have obviously been living in the world of PCs too long. And what is so amazing about your chicken little claim? Its true of any PC, be it laptop or a server if you don't utilize server class configurations and planning. Duh!

Not only is redundancy and the avoidance of single point of failure configurations such as separate controllers, drives, power supplies common in the server world easily accomplished in the physical realm; but a real server would have a an elegant backup management - something that is common in the UNIX world but almost an oxymoron in the PC realm. (Although enterprise tools such as ADSM/Tivoli Storage Manager can be brought in to serve Windows, although given the choice I certainly wouldn't want to try to run it from the Windows platform. Nor in the home! ;-)

Virtualization can greatly ease this issue in the software realm. Multiple VMs distributed across independent subsystems with shared resources can have you back up in almost no time in a poor man's HA.

And, chicken little, the home does not need true high availability systems! But your hysteria is still surprisingly common in the enterprise realm!

So I guess my comments straddle the fence, but definitely lean to one side. Sure there is room for home based servers! Even if it was simply to implement a home back up strategy for other machines! But there is the rub, with the systems and tools available, the option is not a friendly nor particularly attractive one!

I can't help but marvel at the Windows world where the applications and OS are intentionally intermingled..not to mention the basic structure of the Directory.

Other systems allow you to make a fully functional and bootable backup copy of the OS placed dynamically in a logical volume with a simple 'mksysb' command! Maybe more folks should become aware of what is routine in other environments and unknown in the Windows world. But then up to 3 way mirroring and unmirroring logical volumes with sophisticated inter and intra drive policies are also accomplished on live systems with a simple command ('mklvcopy')

...Not to mention the ability to split a designated physical and logical 3rd copy off of the mirror, thus providing a full backup without having to kick anyone off the still mirrored system is also possible with a simple 'spltlvcopy' command.

And if you need a REAL HA system you are using AIX anyway. Not exactly a 'home' class system.

All of this is mentioned simply to illustrate that Windows still lacks fundamental capabilities. And that is the primary problem with using it as a server.

And that is why Windows is still an awkward midrange level environment for systems that simply do not require, or for which many are still not aware, of the capabilities that exist (and have existed for over 10 years) on other systems. Of course, when was that last time you saw any of them advertised? Do you wonder why?

When you discover some of the capabilities mentioned (not to mention dynamic kernels, etc), that is the real reason lots of folks are not keen on Windows at any level. It simply lacks the sophistication, robustness, elegance, and functionality other environments offer. And that is not simply an anti-MS complaint. It is simply that other platforms exist that do more - more elegantly and more reliably.

But with proper planning, a Windows environment Can be made workable at the enterprise or home level. And the capabilities to do so are long overdue! Unfortunately it is necessary to employ quite a few non-native tools that are fundamentally lacking in Windows, necessitating a much greater level of hassle and still not providing a seamless solution.

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By Niro

edited May 28, 2007 - 1:36 AM

Is there even a point to your random rant?? This is an article about a server for the HOME. I'd like to see a home user get by reading just first sentence of your pointless ranting before writing it off as useless BS when considering a home server product.

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By foxfyre

edited May 29, 2007 - 11:45 PM

Poor baby. You obviously didn't read the multiple posts made prior to my post.

"I'd like to see a home user get by reading just first sentence of your "
...got language skills? We get your point, which is to say: You are functionally illiterate.

And you are championing 'less experienced home users' reading posts here? ...Gee, and after I have been told on several occasions that the folks here are technoids... ;-))

The fact is, without greater basic functionality, someone would be better off with network attached storage and a simple data backup strategy... a functional strategy that Windows still lacks in any form.

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By PC_Tool

posted May 30, 2007 - 11:58 AM

The fact is, without greater basic functionality, someone would be better off with network attached storage and a simple data backup strategy..

That's the whole point.

This product isn't aimed as those of us who are able (much less willing) to do what you are suggesting.

The Home user can simply plug this in and forget it. Their systems will be backed up, they'll have a single storage medium for their shared files, and a central security monitor in case one or more of the systems isn't actively monitored by responsible parties (i.e, the PC in the kids room).

Sure, other alternatives exist, perhaps even better ones. But as far as getting it into the hands of the average home user, MS wins, hands down, and it does the basics pretty well.

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By dayman

posted May 26, 2007 - 3:18 PM

What sprang to mind as I was reading this was:
SINGLE POINT OF FAILURE!
The Home Server goes down and the whole Household
just stops?
So maybe you need two separate servers, with 'fail over'?

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By dayman

edited May 26, 2007 - 12:32 PM

Whats springs to my mind reading this is:
SINGLE POINT OF FAILURE!!!
Loose the Home server, your home computing is
'Dead in the water'.
So, you need two for redundancy?

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By PC_Tool

posted May 26, 2007 - 7:44 PM

Yeah, because the restore CD, duplication of files, and backups sure wouldn't help, right?

do you actually know *anything* about this product, or are you just bashing it because it's Microsoft?

Don' worry about replying, we already know the answer.

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By anthonyc3cil

posted May 26, 2007 - 12:03 AM

is it better used than xp?
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By flake

posted May 25, 2007 - 6:36 PM

Hey look, it's MS Bob II. This thing is so gonna flop

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By sirghost

posted May 26, 2007 - 3:12 AM

Hey look, its a troll....

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By crashoverride

posted May 26, 2007 - 12:42 PM

lmao.....nice

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By wangotango

posted May 25, 2007 - 8:37 PM

I wouldn't be so quick to rush to judgement on Windows Home Server. I'm running the beta version of this product, and I'm convinced it has a place.

There are a LOT of people with many Windows systems in their home. This makes a good deal of sense for more reasons than you might imagine.

The 1st being you don't need to be a network geek to set it up.

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By CarLox

posted May 25, 2007 - 10:04 PM

plus it would be "cheaper" i guess

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