Well, I would be very wary of buying an Xbox, it seems the "fixes" don't actually address the reasons for failure, merely extend the amount of time before it fails.

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=41594

The Xbox needs a total redesign. Hopefully the 65nm falcon may be this redesign, but the 90nm units with modifications are certainly not..

The discounts annoucned here, to try and clear the faulty stock won't work...

I would be very wary of spending $500 or more on a sytem with the least amount of games and exclusives. The Wii cost's less than half that. And also the 360 has better online.

"Well, I would be very wary of buying an Xbox, it seems the "fixes" don't actually address the reasons for failure, merely extend the amount of time before it fails."

- Says the (so obviously) fanatical pro-Sony/PS3/BD chorus and their wee 'links' (which being a 'link' proves everything and in all cases I guess?
LMAO ).

Only in the world of the zealot could a 3 year warranty be considered a 'bad thing'.......right up until their own beloved starts doing it, then it'll become amazing customer support.

The whirling around in ludicrous circles over this issue has just been hysterically funny.

.....and the off topic attempt to derail the debate about the (genuine) price cut in Canada is obvious too.

Good for the Canadians tho, I wonder when we'll see the impact on their sales numbers published?

There is that wonderful source again.

"Only in the world of the zealot could a 3 year warranty be considered a 'bad thing'."

1/ It's not a 3 year warranty, that implies it covers any fault within 3 years, IT DOES NOT. It only covered RROD. All other issues are the regular 12 months (or 90 days, depending where you live).

2/ Only in the world of the zealot could a unreliable terminally ill console be OK because of a partial 3 year warranty.

I think you need to re-read how many exclusives the PS3 has.

Everything Rockstar produces will be PS3 only now it seems, as Sony are taking them under their wing.

You also have Warhawk, Killzone 2, Lair, LittleBigPlant, Unchartered Drakes Fortune, Folklore, Final Fantasy XIII, Metal Gear Solid.

all garbage except for 2 and we know that GTA4 will be on the 360 with exclusive content. that is only game worth talking aboout fror rockstar. oh, table tennis.

minute, you have to be joking or on crack.

The sad thing is, since the announcement that GTA IV is not being released until 2008, the PS3 has no blockbuster titles for the upcoming holiday season... that would have been their only one. Anyone with an ounce of common sense knows that games sell a game console. It's the way it's always been. Final Fantasy VII was the clincher on the original PlayStation for me. Since that time I had purchased dozens of games for that console, but had FFVII not been released, I probably would have never purchased it.

It doesn't make me feel bad for Sony, but it does make me sympathetic towards PS3 owners. They have really gotten the shaft so far with a potentially incredible piece of hardware.

"the PS3 has no blockbuster titles for the upcoming holiday season."

Lair?
Warhawk?
Unreal Tournement 2k7?
Ratchet and Clank, Tools Of Destruction?
Haze?
Gran Turismo 5 Prologue?
Heavenly Sword?

Enough? These are all 2007 releases. if you want early 2008 releases, you can add MGS4, Killzone 2, Gran Turismo 5, Final Fantasy..

How about La Noir, and the other new Rockstar franchise both exclusive to PS3.

How about the Sony studios themselves producing exclusives. The Agency? The 3 new exclusives that David Jaffe annouced today?

If you want to include non-Exclusives, you can add GTA IV, Bioshock and Crysis all coming to PS3.

Do you still feel that bad since the PS3 sales are still less then what was expected? You sound like a broken record. Your hate is easy to see through.

Who cares each system has its own exclusives but the PS3 has the least good ones at this time.

Lair got a crap review so who cares about that.
Warhawk online only bla
Unreal not exclusive
Ratchet who cares
Haze most likely coming to 360
Gran turismo a huge who cares
Heavenly sword looks like it might be fun.

I can hardly wait for table tennis two and three to come out.

I find it humorous that you can only see Sony in your world. There is two other consoles out there that are doing very well, in fact better than Sony at this time. Why can't you admit that other people may have a different preference than you. So what about the exclusives each system has them. You make it sound like Sony is God. Guess what they aren't Dave, Steve or whoever you are.

I did not say "exclusives", I said blockbuster titles, and NONE of the ones you mentioned have the sheer selling power of the GTA franchise, save for perhaps Unreal Tournament 3... and when it comes to FPS games, the PC is the platform of choice for that. Sorry, but don't see any consoles at a LAN party, unless you count the DDR freaks in the corner.

Like I said, there are no blockbuster titles being released in time for the holiday season... exclusive or otherwise. When GTA IV finally hits the shelves, I expect sales boosts of both the 360 and the PS3. Neat features sell a game console... great GAMES sell LOTS of consoles.

...and it's only fair that Sony be an "exclusive" for UT3, as Microsoft has had their fair share of success with Halo and Gears of War. Let them have it, I say. Too bad their online experience is a far cry from Microsoft's.

"you can add GTA IV"

I would have thought that went without saying, as that was the game I was referring to in my above post. Perhaps you should have actually READ what I typed and edited your scripted response accordingly.

Ok

...

Yep. It still has the least amount of exclusives compared to either the 360 or the Wii.

It's interesting to note that in every major (or minor) retail outlet I've been in (Best Buy, Wal-Mart, Target, EB Games, Gamestop, etc), I have never seen an Xbox 360 kiosk down for whatever reason. However, I hardly ever see a PS3 kiosk operational. They are either completely locked up or shut down. Faulty stock indeed...

"Everything Rockstar produces will be PS3 only now it seems, as Sony are taking them under their wing."

Care to offer up some proof of that insider info? A quick visit to rockstargames.com shows their current lineup of games, both current and in development with release dates and platforms. Here, I'll make it easy for everyone...

Manhunt 2 - (2008 / PS2, PSP, Wii)... no PS3 version???
GTA IV - (2008 / 360, PS3)
Beaterator - (2007 / PSP)... no PS3 version???
Midnight Club: LA - (2008 / 360, PS3)
GTA: VC Stories - (Out Now / PSP, PS2)... another one???
Bully - (Out Now on PS2, Later for 360 and Wii)... oh no, another no-show for PS3???
Table Tennis - (Out Now for 360, Later for Wii)... need I say it again?

And you have the audacity to call the BetaNews editors masters of misinformation?

ROFL!!! Props to you Hollywood. All of the sarcasm below kept me laughing for a good 10 minutes lol!!! I love it!!! Don't stop now your on a role!

MinuteMaid

Sony has not sold 6 million Playstation 3's they have only produced 6 million Playstation 3's please do not miss represent the facts. There is no way they jumped so much within a few months only selling hundreds of thousands each month.

Sony has only sold 90 million out of the 102 million Playstation 2 number.

I was wondering about that myself. His post said 6 million but the link he just posted says 4 million.

Thanks for clearing that up, I was a little confused about the facts.

THIS IS A WARNING TO ALL.

THIS IS THE LAST TIME WE'LL SAY THIS. We're starting to mark down usernames that are consistently causing trouble in the commenting section, and many of you may find your commenting access gone if you don't GROW UP.

This is not a forum for personal attacks, foul language, or name calling. If you can not debate the facts, then stop commenting. That type of behavior is NOT welcome here.

To the Sony folks: I'm hearing a lot of sour grapes, guys. As soon as somebody insults the PS3, you guys go nuclear. It's getting very old.

To the Microsoft folks: Let me remind you all that Xbox I was pretty much the exact opposite success wise. If it wouldn't have been for Halo, the groundwork for a second Xbox may have never been laid.

To all: GROW UP. This is going on in several topics, especially HD DVD and Blu-ray and gaming. If we can't have civilized discussions here, we're going to start removing people.

Thanks to those who have followed our policies.

BetaNews

Are you suprised? Betanews pretty much instigate the FUD here.

"The price cuts follow a move to help sell the remaining models of Sony's PlayStation 3 60GB version, which is now offered at $499 USD. Once supplies are depleted, only the 80GB version at $599 USD would be available"

Sony have never said there will only be a $599 pricepoint once the $499 models are gone. YOU have assumed that...

The $599 only pricepoint has only ever been implied, by lack of information as to if there will be anything to replace the 60GB when it's gone.

Wow,

Fighting with a moderator. That takes some pretty serious stones. I bet he does nothing about it though, you seem to get away with murder here.

A stern warning and you not only completely ignore it but blatantly let everone know you will not comply.

We will see how he takes your insult not only to him but the rest of the BetaNews staff as well sometime tomorrow when he reads your "in your face" response.

I'd sure hate to be in your shoes my handsome freind.

Hey eoswald, if you do decide to ban certain individuals for thier behavior, would you please be kind enough to share the list with the rest of us?

Thank you kind sir.

I was thinking the same thing.

It would be very handy if I were banned, as you could continue to carry on your personal FUD campaign, misleading people..

"personal FUD campaign, misleading people..."

you know were talking about gaming console's for entertainment purposes, not religion, not politics, not life or death, just gaming consoles

not everything is a FUD campaign, sorry to burst your bubble

(now wait's to be flamed for insinuating rationality)

Thank you.

I was getting sick of the constant flame wars.

I would kind of find it interesting myself. I was reading one of the sony/etc debates, and everyone was blasting MinuteMaid, but after comments like the one he just made to the mod, he kind of asks for it ...

Some people get their jollies out of proving people wrong or inciting riots. That's kind of what it looks like in these cases.

Where do you people get off bashing on BetaNews on their own site!!!

To Ed point taken. I will try to remember to avoid doing the things you stated above.

Maybe we'll just keep you around for entertainment value. Please elaborate on how BetaNews is FUD. Lets see examples.

I would like to see this.

I want to say something right now so bad. But it is not very nice. So I wont lol.

Lol he thinks anything that doesn't show Sony in a positive light is FUD.

Already questioned where Sony have ever said there will be a single $599 pricepoint for the PS3, for which you constantly refer to.

They have only said the $499 60GB unit will not be re-manufacturered after the current stocks run out.

These 2 statemenens are very different. One does not imply the other. There is nothing to say there waon't be an alternative $499 PS3 package when the current 60GBs run out. In all likelyhood there will be.

You haven't provided an answer as yet.

What is this "FUD" you speak of sir. I don't understand the acronym.

That username "MinuteMaid", is that some kind of tribute to orange juice or lemonade?

Please elaborate on my inquiries if you have the time. Hey look, an ad for Norwich University, I think I'll look into going back to college. I hope they have some good frats there.

Thank you.

If you think it's bad now, wait until DaveBG, Benjamin Linus, Steve Austin, fernz33, dlab, Weller, and few of the other Sony fanatics show up. I wonder if Mark Gillespie checks in every now and then?

I wouldn't want to be here when that happens. No sir. Those guys are insanely passionate about Sony and Blu-Ray, and they sure have a problem with Microsoft.

This could get ugly and all heck might break loose.

Silence is golden...

Wow, you sure are giving him a lot of time to respond. Unlike you, he may actually have a life.

"Already questioned where Sony have ever said there will be a single $599 pricepoint for the PS3, for which you constantly refer to."

This is what they said:

$499 60GB model will be not be manufactured, once supplies run out that model will not be available..

new $599 80GB model is available immidiatly.

"They have only said the $499 60GB unit will not be re-manufacturered after the current stocks run out."

which leaves only the $600 model, thanks for helping prove everybody's point.

Right now all you have is facts, the fact is, unless sony says otherwise, the only model available and currently in production is the $599 80GB model. Just because you think they'll lower it in the future or you look into your crystal ball and see sony releasing a different model...doesn't make it fact now.

With all do respect Mr. Ed,

You, more than any other Beta"News" staff, are the worst when it comes to the spinning of news.

One example: In your July 13th story entitled:
"PS3 Price Cut in US Only Temporary"

You write,
"Sony Computer Entertainment Europe president David Reeves may have let something slip that American consumers weren't supposed to know: there really is no "price cut" for the PS3."

"No price cut for the PS3"... "Let it slip"... Makes it sound like they are lying and they let it slip and that the price is still 599. The question was asked and he responded. How is this a slip?
The price was 599, now it’s 499. Sounds like a price cut. Though at launch, there was a $499 option, this was almost impossible to find and has been discontinued for a really long time. How is this not misinforming people and spinning news?

All I’m saying is that the manner in which you write your articles is misleading and is spinning. I hope you don’t misunderstand what I’m saying. I don’t want to read that everything is sunny and roses with the PS3 camp, I would read ps3fanboy.com if I wanted that. I know that ps3 is struggling big time; nobody is saying that they are not. I’m just saying that though technically your stories are not false, the words you chose are intentional to give a negative spin to stories relating to PS3, BRD, or anything Sony for that matter.

That username "MinuteMaid", is that some kind of tribute to orange juice or lemonade?"

LOL... That was funny Hollywood. The frat/college remark also gave me a laugh.

Oh look, I have 1 update available for Windows 2000, I better click on it.

I suggest you look through my articles from E3 2005 and then tell me how anti-Sony I was. There is NO price cut. That's a fact, friend. It's just to clear remaining inventory of the 60GB models.

As of right now, there is no indication the 80GB price will change, Sony has even said that themselves. I'm not going to write in speculation to my articles, I'm sorry. Like I've said before, sour grapes is all I'm hearing.

We're not here to make friends with any company. No news organization is. If we would, this site would be nothing more than a mouthpiece for Sony, Apple, or whatever company you want to put there.

PS - just cause I write a lot of stories on Apple, doesn't automatically make me BIASED. It's called a "beat." I've heard that from some of you folks as well.

MinuteMaid -- you can take this as a response to your recent comments as well.

I thought you may get a kick out of that, you have been one of my favorites for a long time now.

fernz33, when it comes to Sony, you are the resident expert. I look to you for information and guidance found nowhere else around teh internets.

I've got this urge to look into a Sun Blade starter kit, something tells me to get started today. Does anyone know a link where I might be able to find more info about this obscure product?

Thanks again fernz33, I look forward to your infinite wisdom and keen intellect.

Take care now.

Bye bye.

Hey fernz33,

I see you and MinuteMaid both noticed the blatant disregard for the truth regarding Sony's price cuts reported by BetaNews.

I wonder if anyone else feels this strongly about this issue? I mean if two different people are noticing the exact same thing, theres no telling how many more might voice thier opinion.

I'm keeping an eye on you my freind, you are going places and thinking outside the box. You have a keen detection for paradigm s***s in this growing market.

Take care sir.

Me too Secret,

By the way did you know you can get $30 off Norton Internet Security right now?

I'm also feeling a bout of Rhumatoid Arthritis coming on, any help in finding info would be greatly appreciated.

Anyone heard about his new Jet Li movie with Jason Statham? They say vengeance is the ultimate weapon. (in theaters Aug 24th)

Do companies usually annouce price cuts and new packages months before they are due?

Of course they don't. That's why it appears to the stupid, there will only be a $599 unit. Anyone with any brains can see there is a a gap that will be filled by a yet to be announced package.

"There is NO price cut. That's a fact, friend. It's just to clear remaining inventory of the 60GB models."

Oh, please, you claims are even more ridiculous than Hollywoods.

Of course it's a price cut. Before E3, the 60GB PS3 was $599, now it's $499. How it that not a price cut?

I notice also with interest, that when Xbox 360 drops $20 - $50, to clear the stock of the 90nm units in preparation for the 65nm HDMI enabled premiums, this IS a price cut, and not "just to clear remaining inventory of the [90nm] models."

The sad thing is, you can't even see how biased you are. when PS3 drops $100, it's not a price cut, when 360 drops $20 - $50, for the very same reason, to exhaust stock of the previous gen models, it IS a price cut.

"The sad thing is, you can't even see how biased you are. when PS3 drops $100, it's not a price cut, when 360 drops $20 - $50, for the very same reason, to exhaust stock of the previous gen models, it IS a price cut."

And that's exactly my point. It's the words you use that make it a spin. If you call "price cut" for one, call it for the other.

Leave MinuteMaid alone, he's got enough on his mind already with the $100 price cut in Canada.

Jeez, give a guy a break.

How is it not a price cut?

When the 60GB models are sold out, will they be restocked? Are any new ones being made?

No. When that happens, its not a price drop - its more of an inventory liquidation.

And as far as the comment about the $599 being the only one left. What else can be said? Sony has not told us anything to the contrary. So as things stand today, with the information that is in front of us, when the $499 PS3 is sold out, all that will be left is the $599 PS3.

He never said that the $599 couldn't drop to $499. We have no info on that though, so why discuss it?

See my post above. Very simple.

One is done to move inventory and make way for new stock - liquidation.. I would agree 100% that it is a price cut if they were still making them, but they are not.

The other is done to stir sales and units will continue to be sold - its not a limited deal - its a price cut.

". So as things stand today, with the information that is in front of us"

Exactly, this is the key point that Ed Oswald misses, when supplies run out in a couple of months time, the situation will be different. The bundles and prices available today are unlikely to be the same then. This is why his comments (which he has failed to back up), are invalid.

No, but when Ed Oswald calls $100 price cut on a PS3, "clearing inventory", but $20 - $50 off a 90nm 360, a proper price cut, it's obvious FUD.

Both systems are clearing stock right now, PS3 for 80GB units across the board ($499 and $599 bundles), 360 for the 65nm Falcon systems with HDMI.

Can someone help me get off the floor? I can't seem to get up (from laughing so hard).

"The sad thing is, you can't even see how biased you are. when PS3 drops $100, it's not a price cut, when 360 drops $20 - $50, for the very same reason, to exhaust stock of the previous gen models, it IS a price cut."

What are you talking about? The PS3 was having a clearance sale not a price cut. They dropped the price of the 60GB PS3 to get rid of it so they can replace it with a different model at the 60GB old price point.(Yes they have in NO WAY hinted they will drop the price of the 80GB whenever the 60 is gone)

MS is simply having a price cut. Now if they only dropped the price of the core and discontinued THEN it would be like what Sony is doing. But that isn't the case. Companies make hardware improvements all of the time. But on the 360 the specs of the console is NOT changing in any way. This IS NOT the case on the PS3. You can try to SPIN it anyway you want, but the reality is Sony was having a Clearance Sale and MS is having a price cut. MS prices will remain at the lower price point. Sony's LIKELY will not. Thus making it a clearance sale. Do I need to spell it out any clearer for you?

It is time for you to learn the difference between clearance sale and price cut.

"The bundles and prices available today are unlikely to be the same then. This is why his comments (which he has failed to back up), are invalid."

No your comments are nothing more than speculation. As he stated before he goes off of the current facts and NOT speculation. You are SPECULATING that the 80GB will drop. The REALITY of the situation is as at it stands right now the 80GB will remain at $599. They have not announced any different, and until/unless they do everything you are saying is just SPECULATION and should not be confused with FACT.

See my post above.

I'll be the first to admit I have fear uncertainty and doubt about the 360 but I wouldn't classify it as "FUD". That's just crazy.

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*giggle*

I love you, man. :)

Actually, if Sony had never dropped the price on the 60GB model, the 80GB model would have been released for $699.00. So, they really dropped the price on TWO models.

See, I can speculate, too.

Can I borrow your crystal ball to see what my raise will be like at the end of the year?

Great thanks!

Also going by your logic, it would appear to the stupid that MS won't drop the 65n 360's by $100 when they get released this year. It just makes sense...I mean, going by your logic right?

Let me explain something to you that's very hard for you to understand...no news site no matter how unreputable they are (well...excluding some I guess) will post NEWS about SPECULATION that has no FACT to back it whatsoever...got it?

MM...you can't post news into the future you know...if the price of the 80GB drops in 6 months, then at that point it will be news. You can't say it now, it's just not news because it hasn't happened and there is no indication that it will other then your wishful sony fanboyism thinking. Now drop the issue you're sounding more and more retarted with every post.

It's just so funny.

I'm working hard to keep my fingers from posting a blunt response but I guess that wouldn't be considered appropriate nowadays.

Shame cos it's all that's (often) all that is deserved by the fanclub.

Courtesy of Hocuspokus from a previous thread:

The facts from the top management at Sony themselves -

"global head of Sony Computer Entertainment settled the matter once and for all.

Speaking to Norwegian game-news outlet VGTV, SCEI president and group CEO Kaz Hirai said in no uncertain terms that the 60GB PS3's days are numbered.

"From a hardware perspective, the $499 price adjustment we did for the 60GB version for the American market, we're no longer in production for that product," he said in an unedited on-camera interview.
"Once that product is gone from the retailer shelves, then we're back to a $599 SKU only, so it's not like we have a two-price strategy in the US market.
We found out very early on how consumers react to having just one SKU as opposed to two."

SCEA has subsequently confirmed the phase out, but emphasized that it would be gradual.

"The 60GB PS3 will be available in North America for $499 until supplies of that unit are depleted," Karraker told GameSpot in a follow-up interview.
"We have ample inventory to meet the immediate needs of consumers in this territory for several months to come."

http://uk.gamespot.com/n...amp;tag=newstop;title;1

Sony says the 60gb really is dead -

On the same day the price cut was announced, Sony announced a new 80GB PS3, a console that will be bundled with Motorstorm and will retail for $599, the same as the first.
The price cut for the 60GB PS3 was never intended to be a permanent cut for the product; it was only intended to clear out stock for the new version to be sold at the old price.
GameSpot has reported that Kaz Hirai, Sony Computer Entertainment's CEO and President, has confirmed in a video interview that the 60GB PS3s are no longer in production, and that all new PS3s will be 80GB models to be sold at $599.

http://news.com.com/8301...ws&tag=2547-1_3-0-5

Kaz Hirai, Sony Computer Entertainment's CEO and President:

"Once that product is gone from the retailer shelves, then we're back to a $599 SKU only, so it's not like we have a two-price strategy in the US market.
We found out very early on how consumers react to having just one SKU as opposed to two."

"...the 60GB PS3s are no longer in production, and that all new PS3s will be 80GB models to be sold at $599."

Your god has spoken... you dare defy the word of Sony's CEO?

Kaz Hirai, Sony Computer Entertainment's CEO and President:

"Once that product is gone from the retailer shelves, then we're back to a $599 SKU only, so it's not like we have a two-price strategy in the US market.
We found out very early on how consumers react to having just one SKU as opposed to two."

"...the 60GB PS3s are no longer in production, and that all new PS3s will be 80GB models to be sold at $599."

As evangelistic as you appear to be for Sony, I'm curious to know what you propose should be the SKU to fill in the gap. Common sense dictates that if there is to be another product to fill the gap at the lower price point, it must be a PS3 that would have to be a lesser version of the 80GB model. Name one feature that you propose everyone (including yourself) should do without. Perhaps you propose they leave out HDMI, or perhaps the memory card slots, or maybe reduce the hard drive size to 20GB?

Oh, that's right... Sony already discontinued that model due to outrage from potential customers.

http://www.vgchartz.com/

The Wii has almost overtaken the 360 despite the 360 having over a year head start!

That is excellent news. I love to see the little guys who are making money off every console sold dominate the world.

You still can't get one anywhere. I guess game play is more important than fancy graphics and embedded ads in games.

Thanks for the news, we appreciate your valued input as you are a valued member of this forum.

Keep us posted.

Thanks again.

"Thanks for the news, we appreciate your valued input as you are a valued member of this forum."

My sarcasm meter is jumping off the charts lol. =p

PS3 is actually at 6million.

http://ps3media.ign.com/...e-20070726113933269.jpg

Personally, a $20 price drop, in an effort to dump faulty stock is shocking, but not really suprising from Microsoft, the masters of lies..

A quick reminder of Microsoft's recent 360 lies...

Microsoft also said HDD would never be required for games (LIE)

Microsoft also said HDMI cable was coming for 360 premium and core (LIE)

Mirosoft also said there were no reliability issues with the 360 (MASSIVE LIE)

Microsoft recently said there was no pricecut coming on the 360 (LIE)

You go girl.

Wow. I didnt know it was six million. That puts the attach rate much higher for HD-DVD. Thanks. I'll re-work the numbers and get back to you.

Does anyone have a calculator to figure out what 6 milliion times $309 loss on each console is?

I do see what your problem is though. You only rant about Micrsoft and never tell us how great your PS3 is. Why is that?

I think someone who owned one and was so passionate about Sony would be constantly bragging. Perhaps you are full of s***.

I think it's 1.8 billion. Is that right? Great business model.

We know your sources are accurate because they get thier info from "around teh internets".

TKO!

I don't think MS has ever said "never" to anything. Certainly not that a HDD would not be required.

They also never said HDMI cable was coming - they always simply stated we'll provide it when its needed - they never said how.

I don't think they ever said anything about the reliability issues other than that they were within normal failure rates. And they have dealt with this in a very acceptable manner.

And tell me any company that announces a price cut before they need to? Sony did the same thing. Regardless - they still never said it wasn't coming - If you look at what MS says, they don't lie - they just word things very carefully.

The price cut is a great thing as it will help some people get into the next gen of gaming at an even more affordable price.

to further what was said in response to your comment, I'm completely sure Sony, given their absolutely stellar PR performance over the years, would have increased the base warantee by three full years -- FOR FREE.

Say what you want, but I *highly* doubt it.

While I'm aware the gaming and CD portion of sony is 'separate', that's like saying Verizon wireless and Verizon are 'separate' (to which I say, BULL)

The only problem with SONY is that they're stupid enough to think the American public will take their crap lying down. Unless Blu-Ray becomes the new standard, it will be the absolute last thing I sink my money into. HD-DVD doesn't hold quite as much, but at least their business model isn't so freaking proprietary like Blu-Ray is.

Finally, the way Sony works I don't think it'd surprise me one bit if they told me that I was obligated to give my first born son to them in trade for the ability to use Blu-Ray tech in my media device.

To the article more directly, I sincerely hope Halo 3 is the bomb diggidy because I'm really looking forward to 'having' to purchase one of these monsters for myself O:-)

Actually MS said at this time there will be no pricecut

Also stated at this time the HDD would not be required for games

The hdmi Cable is included with the Halo 3 edition

I am starting to think MinuteMaid is right, his links seem to pan out, his opinion is usually spot on.

I say let's keep him around. Whoa! TigerDirect is having a sale this week. I'll have remember to click in that one.

Of course it pans out, as ps3media.ign.com is an excellent source of unbiased information regarding the PS3... :)

No wonder you seem to be a self-proclaimed expert on FUD, as you are quite adept at it yourself. Your FUD machine must have nitrous...

The PS3 has no less reliability issues than the 360, but what it does have more of is compatibility issues. With the eventual unavailability of the 60GB model, that will only compound the issue as Sony themselves have stated they will no longer focus on backward compatibility of PS and PS2 games (which already sucks with some of their most popular titles). If they keep shooting themselves in the feet, they won't have a leg to stand on.

"Faulty stock", hmm? How about forever getting rid of a model that has mediocre PS2 support in favor of a model that makes it worse by removing their precious "Emotion Engine"? I can only imagine that if PS2 (PS Two) sales were already higher than PS3, it will only continue to grow after that. "Faulty stock" could applied to the embarrassingly low quantity of blockbuster titles for the PS3. That's why PS2 compatibility is so important for a lot of people.

"Woohoo! An update that makes PS and PS2 games look better. I can't wait to see what GTA Vice City looks like on... oh, that game has issues, too..." Brilliant.

Sony also stated there was no price cut. I'm so glad we have an honest company such as Sony to keep us grounded amidst all the whirlwind debris in the wake of the Microsoft and BetaNews "FUD Machine"...

peps! what are you arguing about? common! wake up! IT IS ONLY A STUPID TOY!!!
all it does is playing the same exact (but repackeged and renamed) idiotic, brainless, degrading "games". so now it does it in better graphic resolution, whoopty!!

IMO inventors and makers of this crap should be sentenced for wasting earth and humanity energy and resources.

I see it as they have managed to take video games and transform them into high tech interactive infomercials.

Cingular (who is now AT&T) ad placement in Need for Speed - Hot pusuit, I could go on and on. They have figured out that you will buy a new version of Madden football every year to get a few more added features that you can't live without, according to them.

These people are brilliant at gettting people to buy the same game over and over.

Your last comment is a bit unrealistic and no one seems to care about the environment anymore, it's all MTV Cribs, DUB wheels, music videos and emulating celebrities.

It's all gone to Sh!te in the last ten years. I dont know if it's the same in Europe and Asia is it is here but most the 16-25 year olds are all ****ed up in the head.

There needs to be another video game market crash, if anywhere else at least in the US. Clear out the crap and start over. We need another Nintendo Entertainment System, not slightly-better versions of consoles producing the same games over and over again. The gaming industry is currently stuck in a rut, and won't go anywhere because there's a handful of people guarenteeing big gaming companines will stay in business with their various cash cows (the biggest example being the EA sports games, Madden being the largest).

This problem needs rectifying or else the industry won't develop much more beyond what it is now.

Hey, I hear ya. With the exception of the Guitar Hero franchise, I find myself playing emulators for all my old game consoles and Commodore 64 almost on a daily basis. It's a way to find new appreciation for those old classics that I was in too big a hurry to beat when I was a kid.

So I come to this page and find a crap load of comments directly below my post, all to do with absolutely NOTHING. Hey all-stars, no one gives a s*** about your little wanna e-thug soap opera. Keep that crap off this sight.

I enjoy reading people's comments, but good grief what a waste of time. Star Wars? Capricorn? Get back to work. Jesus.

I already deleted all that crap out of respect for Latz! and mshulman. This place has been a circus for along time, no one moderates any comments.

It's a place for people to see ads and click on them, nothing more. Forums that are truly dedicated to a cause either charge a small fee for membership and moderate and are ad free.

Have you been to the AVS forum flea market lately? It puts this place to shame but at least they ban trolls over there.

made up friends again..

Such a fast reply Dave, are you at work?

On that crappy old projector?

I think you both should just stop. Hollywood_, I agree with you in most cases, but be the bigger man and just ignore him. You've stooped to his level with some of your posts.

I know I have, I really don't care anymore. No one like him will ever truly bother me.

Yeah but think of the rest of us. The more you fight with him the more he posts in return, and when you let your own posts become as annoying as his are it really turns Betanews into a circus. I also agree with most of your posts but don't sink down to his level, just ignore him (or fight with him through private emails). :)

Hey!

I agree. But Betanews has never montored any of the forums for trolls and banned their IP's. I think they should.

It appears all they care about here is people seeing the ads that they force into thier stories by creating tables around the text.

They have now resorted to rotating popup ads that you have to manually close in most cases.

Have you ever seen them give any comment a score? I haven't. That means they don't even read the comments.

If they do read them, then they love when people create controversy because it will drive up potential ad clicks.

By all acoounts, we both should have been banned long ago.

Did you delete them out of respect for Latz! and mshulman, or because you realized that you were looking like a fool with every post?

Oh, you forgot to delete...
"What about me? I sound like a broken record too. Give me some props"

I added that after the fact, thanks for your concern though.

Yeah, the score system is a joke. I have never seen it used that I can recall.

Hey Hollywood__,

How does it feel? How does it feel to have your people on here criticize you for your worthless posts to the point that they had to urge you to just stop? Even the "friends" you do have find you annoying.

At least you have your looks... oh wait... sorry.
http://media.urbandictio...ge/large/nerd-46422.jpg
Well at least you have your rocking projector!

Fix your link jackass, it doesnt work.

There you go:

That pretty much sums it up except my house isn't that nice and I'm not that handsome.

"Once supplies are depleted, only the 80GB version at $599 USD would be available."

Misquote of the year? Sony never said this. They did say, the 60GB supplies are limited, but this is not the same.

Anyway, it's no different than Microsoft trying to s*** all the unsold faulty 90nm 360's to unsuspecting punters, only to release 65nm falcon early next year.

So once the 60GB models run out, then yes only the 80GB version will be left. The 80GB version is $599. This isn't nuclear physics here.

It may not be rocket science...but even this is far too complicated for sony fanboys to comprehend...just shows the IQ level of sony cheerleaders I guess.

Says the guy that does not the difference between turnover and profit.

Sony have only said the 60GB is running down, people have ASSUMED there will be nothing to replace it with, and hence the only model remaining will be the $599. That's a might big assumption.

I'd be more worried about the 360 games requiring HDD and HD DVD drives to play..

http://www.xbox360wire.c...360-hard-drive-required/

http://img235.imageshack...594/hdvdrequiredcl1.jpg

Meanwhile you are ASSUMING that there will be. Has Sony said anything about a replacement, or made any indication that there will be? What would the replacement be? The FACTS at this time are that the 60GB is out of production and supplies are running out, leaving only the $599 console.

As for the HD DVD required photo, that's one of the worst photoshops I've ever seen.

He is really stupid. We all know this as I have pointed it out literally hundreds of times.

Besides that, no one here (besides his clones) agrees with him.

Isn't that the point, you are assuming there won't be a replacement (Sony won't announce until the change it very close).

Common sense says that the 80GB is cheaper to produce than the 60GB (80GB harddisks are now the common laptop configuration, and hence cheaper to buy in bulk than 60GB drives) the revised hardware with software EE emulation is another cost saving, the $70 drop in the price of BD diodes, means the 80GB unit is much cheaper.

If Sony can afford to sell the 60GB at $499, they certainly can afford to sell a basic 80GB at $499.

try looking up call of duty 4 covers that are being voted on, thats where it was first spotted, wasn't ps'd.

If Sony can afford to sell the 60GB at $499, they certainly can afford to sell a basic 80GB at $499.

That doesn't mean they will, and who says they can afford to? Obviously they just want to clear out the inventory of the remaining 60GB models. It doesn't mean that once they are gone they'll drop the price of the 80GB. It's just wishful thinking on your part, but it has no factual basis.

The label on the Call of Duty 4 box says "Storage Required" meaning a hard drive or other writable device. The HD DVD drive is NOT writable, the games do not come on HD DVD, and that sticker is a horrible photoshop. Someone pasted an actual photo of an HD DVD drive onto it, that's not the style they use. The words were changed to say "HD DVD Drive required". It's a fake, and a very bad one.

UPDATE: "Infinity Ward community relations manager Robert Bowling told MyGamerCard that the icon should be disregarded. "The game can still be played by users with and without Storage devices (HDD / Memory Card)," he said, adding that you won't be able to save without some storage."

http://www.joystiq.com/2...s-storage-required-stic/

Do you honestly believe that with the massive sales boost the $100 price drop gave, they won't continue the momentum, given the 80GB is cheaper to produce?

I wounldn't be suprised to see a $459 basic 80GB unit in the run up to Xmas.

Man your dumber than dirt.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6175011.html

"From a hardware perspective, the $499 price adjustment we did for the 60GB version for the American market, we're no longer in production for that product,"

"people have ASSUMED there will be nothing to replace it with"

Yes there is, the $599.99 PS3 ...

Well they thought they would fly off the shelfs at launch. We all know how that turned out...

Do you honestly believe you know what Sony is going to do? You're just spouting opinions. For the moment we know the facts, and that is the current pricing of the 80GB unit and the demise of the 60GB.

Like I mentioned before the disk copy protection is on the DVD drive and there is nothing on the HD DVD so keep grasping at straws.

LOL

6 million globally since November. That's pretty good, far better than the 360, in it's first year, from what I recall.

You link to an article which includes such brilliance as: "around teh internets". You actually trust such sources?

copy protection? how is this related at to why i had posted?

i never said anything about the hd-dvd drive.
what i was reponding to was the http://www.xbox360wire.c...360-hard-drive-required link. that is where the first requirement surfaced.

so you can play the game and never save and suffer through brutal load times on the 360core and eventually they will make it so if the sticker is there then the game will not operate on the core model.

Plus don't expect exclusive downloadable GTA IV content. that's exclusive even for 360's cores..

LOL, the 360 is costing the fools LOTS of money..

Let me help and spell it out for you. If there isn't any copy protection on the HD-DVD 'games' then people would be copying them left and right, since the HD-DVD drive uses USB (which is the same plug on your computer). You could simply burn games on to HD-DVD-R's (or what ever it's call). Micrsoft isn't about to allow that.

Except for the fact you can get the 360 Elite (with a 120gb Hard Drive) for $50-$150 cheaper than the PS3.

And before you post, no you don't need HD-DVD and Wifi. The Charge and Play kits are already included with the Primium and Elite systems and Wireless contollers.

He's pulling out his bag of tricks again.

"Common sense says"

When has Sony ever made sinse?

no you dont need them, just like you didn't "need" an hdd.. but for how long? and yea you pay less money and get less stuff... great.
so matching these 'add-ons' and extras from the 360 or .. what you get with the ps3 isn't it cheaper to buy a ps3?
get what you pay for.

..... ok? like i said... i did not mention anything about this.
and thats odd that the hd-dvd has no protection so i can easily rip anything from the add-on? thats nice mircosoft 'isn't about to allow that' maybe they should have thought of it when producing the add-on
but my point is his post.. and now your post are attempting to either rebuttal or explain to me something that i never stated and i don't understand where it came from.

LMFAO! I missed that little nugget of entertainment.

Lol except instead of pulling out a pigeon he pulls out BS.

I dunno dlab...you seem to hawk on "what you get" for the price you pay.

I don't care if I don't have Wifi built in and if I really want it I have to buy a wireless card, I don't care if the cpu is a little slower and the gpu is a little faster, I don't care if I can play blu-ray or if I have to pay extra to play HDDVD...you know what I care about? GAMES. That's right...shocking isn't? I bought gaming console to play games on...who'd a thought?! And guess what, I have alot of games on the 360 and nothing on the PS3. As far as I'm concerned, I wasted $600 for a piece of paper weight that I use to watch a br movie on once in a great while, and I spent another $500 on a gaming console that actually has games that I can play.

Yea I'm pretty pissed off I wasted money on the PS3...who knows, maybe in a year or so there will be some good games for it? It was a waste of money as far as I'm concerened. But hey...it has built in wifi!!!

Couldn't have said it better myself.

It's called Sarcasm - most folks from the UK understand this concept, however I gather some American readers just don't get it.

It's a spin on 'da x3ox iz da sux'

as above....

Your so full of sh!t, its not even funny.

http://www.vgchartz.com/

Try just over 4 million...

"so i can easily rip anything from the add-on?"

No game protection!

It's kind of simple, MS will not put games on the HD DVD that you can copy. The hardware copy protection was put on the drive for a reason.

Maybe MS didn't make the drive and does not actually plan to make games as they have already stated. People here that have no idea what they are talking about sure like to put words in other people's and companies mouths.

If they made games for it but they aren't.

He probably didn't mean to make fun of your kind. Oh, that's Sarcasm by the way.

Anyone see where dlab21 ran off to?

So they crippled the system by not including a HD DVD built in, is that what you are saying?

Less of an assumption than an educated guess... and common sense.

However, you seem to be getting bent out of shape assuming that there will be something to replace it at that price point.

We don't know, you don't know... how about leaving it at that.

I'd be less worried about games for the 360 potentially requiring certain hardware, and more about the utterly embarrassing low quantity of games for the PS3. I guess they'll have to come up with yet another logo exclusively for PS3 game boxes... "Requires Game Disc - No ETA".

I'm saying I don't care about watching HD-DVD movies. So why would I spend an extra $200 for one? Unlike Sony forcing you to spend extra money on something that's unnecessary for a 'Gaming' machine. I also don't care if I need to switch disc's every once in a while.

There's only one console that I know of that is costing anyone LOTS of money, and it's not Microsoft's offering.

So many things about the PS3 since launch is very reminiscent of the 3DO over 13 years ago... including the exorbitant price tag.

Using the words "basic" and "80GB" is very redundant. What would be "basic" about your imaginary edition of the PS3? You mean "basic" such as leaving something out that is included with the "normal" 80GB version? I would be very interested in seeing what you propose. Leave out your precious BD drive? That would bring the price down, and I might actually consider purchasing one if that happened. If it left out the hard drive, THAT would be basic...

So here is a "real" price cut. Smaller than i expected but at least "real". If i want a 360, the price of entry went from $299 -> $279.

The PS3 price of entry went from $499 -> $499. Not a "real" price cut.

yep and think if you get a good system you should be able to play it for atleast 2 months before it bricks out and then the shipping back and forth numerous times shouldn't take that long.

that's funny I've been playing mine for about 18 months...my bro has been playing his for 12, and a few of my coworkers have been playing theirs for about 12. We also have one in the office that's on pretty much 24/7 for the past year or so...oh well keep trolling I guess if it helps give meaning to your life.

Nice. Where do you guys work?

You sound like a broken record. What ar going to troll about when the problems are fixed? Complain about how the once broken 360's are still out selling the PS3 maybe!

You do know they've fixed the problem now with the heating issues, right?

$279 system can no longer play all 360 games, you need to spend money on a HDD upgrade it seems.

http://www.xboxfamily.co...tories/HDD_Required.htm

How long before HD DVD or Blu-Ray is required?

Are you and pitdingo twins?

But it will play all games that are currently out, plus MOST new games. For $279, thats not a bad deal.

Next you'll be saying how none of the 360's can play PS3 games!!?!?

HD DVD will never be required. I do think there will be games that may leave out content due to DVD-9 not being enough, but its ultimately unlikely to change the gaming experience. And in many cases I'm sure they'll just come on 2 DVD's.

Did you own a PS2? I didn't, but from what I heard multiple disc DVD's went over just fine on that console...

What about me? I sound like a broken record too. Give me some props.

Microsoft also said HDD would never be required for games (LIE)

Microsoft also said HDMI cable was coming for 360 premium and core (LIE)

Mirosoft also said there were no reliability issues with the 360 (MASSIVE LIE)

Microsoft recently said there was no pricecut coming on the 360 (LIE)

Why are you so willing to accept that because Microsoft say that games will never require HD DVD, this is not another Microsoft lie?

Do Microsoft (or Xbox 360 owners) REALLY believe the 360 can cope with DVD sized games for the next 7-8 years, whilst the PS3 runs away with 50Gb Blu-Ray based games?

There will be 1 of 2 outcomes.

1/ the Xbox 720 launches with HD DVD /Blu-Ray drive
2/ the 360 gets a build in HD DVD/Blu-Ray, and if existing owners want to play these games, they have to buy an add-on to do so.

By the time you get to my post it's probably too late, I couldn't save you from the 2 minutes of BS wasted reading his post.

Sorry!

Exactly. I want to work there too. Imagine playing on Live too with your frinds at work.

where do you get the idea its 'most' new games? wouldn't 'most' developpers want to take advantage of set requirement of an hdd that microsoft has imposed?
hmm $279 now so $299 before hand and may not even be able play games that will be coming out the xmas season... yes.. that is a bad deal, open your eyes.

Lol I am not even going to dignify his post with a response. I think the BS is quite obvious without me having to waste my time pointing it out.

Take a look at the release schedule. I think very few of these games require the hard drive.

There will be some, but I hardly think the majority WILL require it.

I do wonder though - how many core owners out there don't end up getting the HDD at some point?

The Core is a bad deal anyway. The HDD required possibility has nothing to do with it. You need storage and the hard drive is the best form of storage available.

7-8 years? I don't think Microsoft's game plan is 7-8 years. I think they are more on a 5 year plan.

I do think some games may have content sacrificed though due to DVD-9 space restrictions and some may come out on 2 discs. But I think these will probably be the minority.

And lets wait and see how many PS3 games actually take up 50GB!! I still have yet to purchase a single PS3 game and I've had my PS3 over a month.

Agreed. If you don't have an HDD then you are missing out, and you need to get one anyway!!! I don't see why anyone would not want a HDD.

You crack me up so I leave you alone. For the most part i agree with you on you. Your links to the someones system crack me up.

What kind of reciever do you use in your system? I just picked up the Denon 3808 and can't wait to try it out. Not sure what you thinkof Denon but I love the quality. Plus I need true power to drive my B&W speakers. Just curious what you have in your system.

in NY...not sure I want the whole world to know the company though :)

What color is "Spartan green"?

I was rather looking forward to an Athenian purple, but I guess I'll have to settle for this instead ...

Good question.. we've shot an e-mail off to Microsoft on this :)

UPDATE:
http://www.xbox.com/en-U...alo3console/default.htm

(You're welcome.)

Thanks, Ed :)

It's not too bad ... guess I won't be missing the Trojan magenta after all ... :P

Trojan magenta? Um, I think my masculinity would take a hit by playing games on a Purple console.

Wait, didn't nintendo already do that? ;)

Let me guess, MinuteMad doesn't like the color.

[Yes, I ment to misspell your name. I thought it suited you better.]

Just rub some dirt on it Ed lol. Maybe a little axle grease.

Nice! I think I'm gonna be getting one soon...

And Microsoft will be getting it back to fix soon after.

90nm units are pretty much guarenteed to fail. $20 off does not sweeten this fact.

You are right you made the system so you know. Give it up Dave, Steve or who ever you are.

You are essentially a laughing stock.
I know, because Sony said so.

Your just mad because it's not a PS3.