Someone poses the question to Dave / Joey / Steve: "How's profile 1.1 coming?"

Here is his response:

"Fine thanks. There should be a PS3 firmware update to deliver it, in the next few weeks. It's also worth pointing out, Profile 1.1 spec is vastly superior to HD DVD's interative features.

Jsut watch the HD DVD drones change their track, when 5.5 Million Blu-Ray suddenly have Profile 1.1, then Interactivity won't be important any more. LOL"

First of all any format that has interactivity and is not connected via ethernet is simply an interactive CD-ROM or BD-ROM in this case.

You claim it will be "vastly superior" to HD-DVD's HDi, yet the BD spec doesn't call for an ethernet port until profile 2.0

You need to explain to me as well as everyone else how an interactive CD-ROM feature being added is somehow better than internet based interactivity like HDi.

Of course you have no answer and I am absolutely right again, making your silly BD format look like the POS we all know it is.

I almost forgot the laughable post over at blu-ray.com

There is a story titled "Warner, no profile 1.1 yet"

It's a story about how Terminator 3 will be relased with the crippled PIP that forces movie studios to limit one half of the discs storage for the movie, and the other half for the same exact movie with PIP.

It's pathetic. But what's even more pathetic is the comments from the fanboys.

Some of them went on to say "We don't need features, I just want to see the movie" The same exact jagoff who said a week before "I can't wait for profile 1.1 so we can finally shut up these HD-DUD fanboys"

You and your whole crew of sheep are absolutely pathetic Dave, just like you ran with the rumored stor of a new 360 with an HD-DVD built in.

I noticed you havent posted a word about it since it was debunked.

Did you actually read the comments about yourself here? Finally everyone knows all of your usernames and how full of crap you really are. I can't imagine what it's like to have dozens of people you never even met hate you so much.

I'm sure the people that know you personally think you're an even bigger wanker.

You let me know when that 1.1 profile firmware update comes to the PS3 Davey boy. It will be mid 2008 before we ever see it.

Check out how awesome lost planet will be on ps3:

http://www.maxconsole.ne...e=news&newsid=22078

hurr hurr *fanboy*

I think even imbeciles understand the term " early screens"

Only when it's their favourite console!

It's ok for those graphics to be bad, but not the Halo 3 beta?

DUH! Its Sony they make everything golden!

...and occasionally, explosive.

Hmm, very similar to the graphics quality of most of the other games available already for that console.

What do they expect for a last-gen GeForce 7800 GPU that PC users left behind 2 years ago?

Lost Planet - PS3 Verison Better Then 360 Verison

http://www.mygamer.com/i...p;id=2654&publisher=

Seems you made yourself look a bit foolish now...

I love how you just make up article titles to support your made-up "facts".

Yeah, 16 additional levels and more players to choose from... more uncontrollable players on more maps with jagged edges galore. Color me impressed.

I guess Sony needs to plead with some more developers. The best tool they could give developers right now for that console is a shovel.

LOL, anyone else feel Microsoft have no gameplan when it comes to the 360? It's a comedy of errors.

Lets look at a bit of history.

PS3 ships with Blu-Ray, HDMI, standard HDD from day one.

Microsoft says HDMI, Blu-Ray or standard HDD is not needed and goes to market early claiming the PS3 features are unnecessary.

Then it changes it mind, and starts fitting HDMI on it's Elite, so everyone rushes out to buy the Elite with HDMI, then it screws these people over by fitting the previously unrequired HDMI to ALL consoles.

Not content with alienating these, it then decided that actually HDD drives ARE now needed (despite saying they would never make HDD a requirement), and creates a HDD Required Logo for new games (GTA IV reported the be the 1st game with this logo). 360 Core owners are then screwed over, fortunatly, a £100 HDD upgrade is available to provide a paltry 20GB HDD.. (phew..)

Now it seems, despite claiming that Blu-Ray was not required, and DVD9 was fine, Microsoft is now feeling like changing it's tune again, and now HD DVD is needed (unfortunatly, only the 30GB, not the full 50GB Blu-ray), and a new console is coming along to meet this requirement. Fortunatly, existing owners can also buy into the ailing HD DVD format, for an additional £150, but it only comes in White, so does not match the 360 Elite, it connects via USB, and has all the problems asscioated with ICT, because it cannot pass HDCP info. Did I also mention it sounds louder than a jet taking off in your living room?

You honestly couldn't make it up.

Off course, I am being kind to the 360 today, and have not brought it it's horrendous reliability track record, where todate, over 1/3 of them have failed, with that number constantly rising...

Let's look at some more history...

Sony claims that backward compatibility is important with the PS3, so the necessary hardware was included in the design. Firmware update was issued to even make the older games look better upscaled.

That didn't work.

Sony tries to reduce the price of the console by taking that hardware out, claiming that it wasn't needed as software emulation would be sufficient for backward compatibility.

It wasn't.

Sony finally said screw it, and decided to offer no backward compatibility, claiming not enough consumer demand for it, and that it was cheaper to just buy the even more crippled PS3 and a PS2 for less money. In other words, if you want backward compatibility now, Sony says buy a PS2...

You couldn't make that up.

The PS3 and Blu-ray are a comedy of delays and false promises from Sony (as usual).

I don't really care about the usual X360 / PS3 bashing on this site except for the occasional amusement.

However, I am not amused by display of lack of intelligence, resulting in waste of my time. One of many examples is the post above where some kid chides the company - which is the clear market leader - over his preference for pursuing their strategy. It should be illegal to be so dumb.

Is there any way to pay you off with bubble gum or something else keeping you challenged to refrain from publishing your opinion going forward?

At the time it wasn't needed there was no demand, hell half of the world aren't even using hdtv's yet so why should they care about hdmi.

Its not a new console its a 360 with all the add-ons and for the average gamer they may never need a hdd either, if they do they can add it later.

There is no proof that hd-dvd will be required for gaming either.

The difference of course between my post, and yours, is that my post is based on truth, yours based on nonsense.

1/ All PS1/PS2 games upscale to 1080P on all revisions of the PS3 (aside obviously from the 40GB with no BC), and look considerably better). By claiming they look no better, simply shows you havn't seen GT4 or Gods Of War II in 1080P on a PS3.

2/ The removal of the EE chip from the Euro 60GB and the US 80GB machines has very little effect on the PS2 emulation. I myself have a Euro 60GB model, and every single PS2 game (from about 80), all work flawlessly. The Sony site shows over 3000 PS1 and PS2 games that work fine on the software BC models. If you want to talk backwards compatability, why not tell us how many Xbox titles work in the 360. About 200 at last count, and many of them have playability problems.

3/ If you want PS2 compatability, pay $100 more, and get the 60GB or 80GB, you get more HDD space, card readers, and 2 games. It's called choice, if you want the PS3 to play Blu-ray movies, or only PS3 stuff, then the £299/$399 model will suit you fine, if not buy the more expensive one. Before you jump in and pretend that the model with BC will eventually sell out, leaving only 40GB, don't bother. Ed Oswald tried this trick, and ended up looking a fool.

"There is no proof that hd-dvd will be required for gaming either. "

So why include it as standard, and then use it only for movies? That would be dumber that all the crap decisions Microsoft made so far...

(yawn)

Facts speak louder than words...

http://www.vgchartz.com/

And just imaging how much worse its going to be once MS ADDS those extra things? What else is Sony removing on the PS3 next month?

It's MS way of kicking a dead dog. (Sony)

Sony is so screwed, your just to stupid to know it.

Shame that Blu-ray is now globally kicking HD DVD ass, 4 to 1 in sales..

Oh dear...

link?

The 60 gb is being phased out, thats a fact

The 80 Gb is NOT 100% compatible with all ps2 and ps1 games, Sony even has a list and there are multiple other sites dedicating to what games work. Just because the game turns on doesn't mean its 100% working.

You missed the point of his comment his statement was what Sony keeps doing to sell more. He never said it didnt upscale the games he said Sony considered this to be a major selling point and it failed to draw the customer base.

So they tried cutting out the EE chip to cut costs on them and still charge an equally appalling price.

When that didn't work the CEO states that you don't need bc anymore go buy a ps2.

Truly, you are diseased with fanboyism and need help immediately

Oops. It looks like you've started the 360 with an internal HD DVD drive FUD too soon:

http://uk.news.yahoo.com...x-360-hd-d-6017cbb.html

Frankly, it seems that Sony is the one without a solid gameplan. Sure they have a hard-drive, but have they actually nailed down which sizes they want to offer? Why so many if one of the features is the ability to upgrade the hard-drive yourself?

How about the 'need' for Blu-ray to be standard? So far, any developer who has made statements concerning the smaller storage space of DVD9, has also found ways around the issue.

I fail to see how upgrading a new system, with both a larger hard-drive and HDMI is 'alienating' anyone. My 360 is connected via component cables, and is displaying in 1080i with no problems, whatsoever. If I go out and buy a new 1080p TV, I may feel as though I'm missing something, but honestly, I can't see a difference between the 2 at my current screen-size (40 inch). This goes for the other pieces of equipment connected as well.

The hard drive requirement issue isn't one, until it becomes one. To date there are 2 games that require the hard-drive: Final Fantasy 11 (MMORPG...so that qualifies under 'DUH'), and a European game called Football Manager (due to the sheer size of the game saves). Given that MS is in the process of releasing the Arcade SKU, it seems unlikely that there's any intention, at least in the foreseeable future, of a HD being a requirement to play certain games. It seems a little hypocritical though to damn MS for doing this, though, when Sony did the same thing with FF11, on the PS2.

It is nice to see that you cling to the old arguements about the sound of the console (something I've never noticed while either gaming or watching a movie) and color of the HD DVD drive (does anyone actually base their opinion on something like this?).

I've owned both BR and HD DVD formats in their standalone and gaming counterparts. Bluray has yet to impress me (I've since sold the BR player); while both the Toshiba player and 360 HD DVD drive work well, and have seen hours of usage. My general attitude right now is, I'll import movies that are BR exclusive (in the US) on HD DVD, when they're available. The price difference (which so far has only been 2 or 3 dollars), is worth it,

"Then it changes it mind, and starts fitting HDMI on it's Elite, so everyone rushes out to buy the Elite with HDMI, then it screws these people over by fitting the previously unrequired HDMI to ALL consoles."

It's not needed.

"Now it seems, despite claiming that Blu-Ray was not required, and DVD9 was fine,"

DVD9 IS fine, Blu-Ray or HD-DVD isn't needed. the HD-DVD is there just to play movies, not games. How many times do I have to tell you Microsoft already said no games on HD-DVD for the 360!

"Did I also mention it sounds louder than a jet taking off in your living room?"

Yeah, the DVD9 is when playing games for the early 360 models. Not when your watching DVD's or HD-DVD's. It just goes to show you don't own a 360. You just like to make stuff up about it. Just like me saying you have to buy USB 'play and charge' cables to charge your PS3 controller, since they sell USB cables at the store.

"unfortunatly, only the 30GB, not the full 50GB Blu-ray"

Unfortunately it'll be 51gb's, so mine will be bigger than yours.

"You honestly couldn't make it up."

Except that you do make stuff up.

The one that looks 'dumber than all the crap' is you. Microsoft already said 'No games are going to be on HD-DVD', for that, like you said, games on HD-DVD won't play on the older Xbox 360's. Duh! It's meant for movies only. As that link you have to the Xbox '720' says that Toshiba and Microsoft want a way to help sell HD-DVD and that's their answer.

OMG MY XBOX360 CLASHES WITH MY SHOES!

and they are WHITE after LABOR DAY! OMG!!!

its the end of the world~~~!

The Xbox 360 has sold more than double the sales of the PS3. http://www.vgchartz.com/

Oh dear...

The PS3 fanboys don't believe that site last time they stated it was run by a 10 yr old.

Also how do you know what personality to use for the day?

If your in a sad mood do you go with davebg?

If your in an angry mood is it steve austin?

Drunk and making no sense ray dorset?

Sony is #1 nothing will defeat them, no matter how many facts you show = joey deacon?

Trying to play it cool and be tiny bit logical Minutemaid?

At least you are consistent with being in the UK.

LOL...

"last time they stated it was run by a 10 yr old."

They're one to talk...

I must clarify then. I never meant to suggest that the upscaling feature didn't work... only the hardware backward compatibility.

I personally felt the upscaling of older games was one of the nicest features of the PS3. However, the inclusion of that feature was a sick twisted joke if they were going to release future models of the console with no capability to play older games.

For the record, most of your post was based on opinion, rumors, and falsified logos. You wouldn't know the truth if it crawled up your a** and started to wiggle.

Thank you for helping out with that. I didn't have my coffee yet. :)

"It seems a little hypocritical though to damn MS for doing this, though, when Sony did the same thing with FF11, on the PS2."

I was about to jump in and say the exact same thing until I saw that.

Exactly... they're one (person). :)

We think alike...we must be...oh no...xbots...

Seriously though, I decided to return good ole Steve (or is it Benjamin's) kindness, by not pointing out that the HD expansion bay is just the first example of Sony stripping functionality of it's consoles.

First of all, the whole internal HD DVD 360 unit, has been debunked by both Toshiba and MS as a rumor...nothing more.

Secondly, did you even read the link that had the rumor in it?

From that link: "The new Xbox device, while allowing for extensive gaming capability, will be positioned as an entertainment hub that includes gaming and extensive wireless networking capability as well as 1080p playback. There is also talk of it including a dual HD TV tuner and EPG capability and a docking port for an MP3 player." Seems to me that if this had been true, the goal was an all inclusive media center and hub...games, digital TV, HD DVD as well as standard DVD playback, DVR possibly. It's not very dumb at all, but alas, the unit is just a rumor...

Just one of numerous hardware revisions on that console, some of which were minor design modifications in their attempt to thwart "modders".

Seems they were more interested in that than fixing known problems that still exist to this day in the latest revision.

They just can't seem to win, and I giggle every time I think about it. They release a slew of extremely popular titles for a console that wasn't worth a crap, then they finally release a seemingly reliable console that nobody wants to develop for (and the games show evidence of it).

...and I prefer "DirectXbot", as the PC will always be my gaming platform of choice. :)

"You wouldn't know the truth if it crawled up your a** and started to wiggle."

Yummy! He'd probaby enjoy that.

"unfortunatly, only the 30GB, not the full 50GB Blu-ray"

Unfortunately it'll be 51gb's, so mine will be bigger than yours.

- ......and even funnier is that the BD50 isn't actually capable of holding 50gbs without causing huge fail rates.
In reality they limit them to around 45gb (I challenge anyone to show a ripped Blu-ray movie of 47gb+.......you sure as hell aren't getting 50gbs out of them).

The upshot of this is that not only will HD DVD shortly have the largest capacity with their 51gb disc but that it will be larger in practical reality by over 10% compared to the Blu-ray disc, a not inconsequential matter.......

......seeing as sheer size is so incredibly vital and all, right Sony/PS3/Blu-ray shill-drone-fanboys?

Pwned again?

Amazing the Wii is still going strong. Despite the heavy criticism for it's lack of technical capability - it seems (perhaps not surprisingly) most people are just looking to play a console and have fun. The Wii has fun coming out of it's ears - and plenty of titles.

Look to the other end - the most technologically advanced console with awesome graphics is a flop! Just like in the PC games market: gameplay > eye-candy. It's all well and good have the best hardware Sony - but without some 'fun' games to play even selling your console at a loss (still) isn't going to fix your sales figures. I'd be surprised if the PS3 caught up to the 360 and Wii even if it was the same price as the two of them - solely because of the experience and games provided by the other two.

Sony has fallen a long way from the PS2.

70% of Wii owners admit they never play it anymore. It's basically put in the cupboard, next to the board games...

"It's basically put in the cupboard, next to the board games..." and the PS3.

Do these statistics come from outofyourass.com again?

Nope.

http://www.joystiq.com/2...ii-owners-arent-playing/

Sorry to see your retarded kiddie-konsole gathering dust in the cupboard, now the fad has worn off..

It's right next the PS3... I may bring the PS3 out soon since winter is coming and electric heat is cheaper than gas. Heats up the room real nice even when idle.

HOW MANY TIMES DO I NEED TO STRESS READING THE ARTICLE BEFORE POSTING

Are you reading this on your Wii right now? Have you fired it up and played anything lately? According to Famitsu, almost seven out of ten Wii owners aren't using the system at all, which seems like a fairly high number. This came out in a report from Enterbrain President (and Famitsu publisher) Hirokazu Hamamura which was praising Nintendo and citing big things ahead, especially for the DS platform, which he predicts will have 30 million units in Japan in 2009.

However, it makes it hard to understand how the Wii will continue to be a success if the majority of people who bought one aren't playing it. He goes on to say that part of the problem is that the Wii hasn't had a second hit that was as big as Wii Sports. In other words, he's calling the Wii a novelty. A fad that is starting to wear thin. Remember how big Tamagotchis were? If not, then we've just dated ourselves, but if so, then you'll probably also remember how quickly they vanished after they rolled in.

While he cites the attention that Wii Fit is getting, and the coming (sometime) Monster Hunter 3, we'd like to know what sort of a polling system they're using to get these numbers...

Sounds like speculation to me...

"Sorry to see your retarded kiddie-konsole gathering dust in the cupboard, now the fad has worn off.."

Too bad it's still out selling the PS3 by almost 3 to 1 in global sales. http://www.vgchartz.com/

Lawl.

Haze isn't a PS3 exclusive anymore. It's heading to the 360 and PC now too. It looks like it's going to be a timed exclusive, but if I remember right only by like a week.

I guess Dave Patterson wanted to make another petition to try and keep it a PS3 exclusive: http://www.ps3forums.com/showthread.php?t=75196

"Looks like there are now 927 people who have signing the 'we are desperate fanboys who lead sad, sad lives' list.. How many more are there around?" -Mikleran, from the forum.

You gotta love the Dave Patterson's of the world!

Yep, "timed" exclusives, which are what most every PS3 "exclusive" titles are. You certainly don't see Xbox 360 exclusives going the opposite direction. Not many companies are willing to shell out the extra cash to port a title to a console that has yet to prove itself. All Bethesda added to Oblivion for the PS3 was better looking textures, easily added to the other versions. Too bad the game has already been out for 1½ years for the 360 and PC... I'm sure a lot of people have moved on from that game by now on those platforms.

Those never-ending petitions are a complete joke.

As if companies are going to listen to fanboys who try to persuade them to only release titles on one console. There is so much more money to be made by releasing on multiple platforms.

Besides, I don't know of hardly any companies in their right minds who would intentionally and voluntarily cripple their revenue by releasing titles solely on the PS3. When (if) it starts proving itself to be a viable and attractive alternative as a game console, perhaps others would take notice.

Sony doesn't seem to care... why should anyone else (besides the rabid fanatics that continue to fall for their tripe and spread it like a bad case of herpes)? They have been marketing it as a BD player first and foremost, game console secondary. Again... Blu-Station would be more appropriate.

My first 360 RROD'ed but after that it has been working flawlessly. I guess some people are luckier with their consoles than others.

Same thing happened to my brother's 360. Got a brand new one shipped within a week with 6 months of Live for free and a four year warranty (previous was two). Regardless of the hardware issues, props to Microsoft for being apt and responsive to the situation.

Last time a Sony console had reliability issues, it took a class action lawsuit to force them to deal with the problem. I know how much the Sony fans like to throw around the Xbox360 reliability problems, but at least Microsoft didn't wait to get sued or tried to fight it in court, before extending the warranty. At the end of the day, you can have the most reliable console ever made, if it doesn't have any decent games, what good is it?

I would take those blinkers off if I were you...

What?

huh ?

Umm....ok....

If he's wearing blinkers, you must be wearing blinders, as you are severely deluded by fanboyism.

Well said.

ROFLOL

Tell my friend who has only 1 light in the ring and MS won't fix it! Way to go MS!!

Yep, Microsoft are only fixing the RROD for 3 years. All the other Xbox 360 faults are only covered for a year.

Yep. Thanks for reminding us how much better the 360's warranty is compared to the PS3's.

the 360 NEEDS 3yr warranty on RROD, because of it's poor relibility that affects most of the 11 million consoles.

Sorry for the wake up call, but it's not a 3yr warranty, there are loads of other common 360 issues, like the drives packing up, the power bricks failing, the disc scratching issues, the 1 red light failure. All of these are covered for 1yr from purchase.

Anyone heard of any PS3 problems out of the 6 million shipped?

Didn't think so...

How about the PS2 's that are still having issues reading disks. Sony hasn't done crap to fix that problem. Keeps adding to the sales of new consoles with the boat loads of machines that are failing. Costs more to fix than to replace. You keep avoiding that topic. The system is still in production so it is a valid point. We wil see if the PS3 develops the read issues a little further down the line. My bet is that the problem will surface sooner than later.

Lets see my PS3 overheated and was smoking I took it back and bought a 360. I have to say what a great decision.

6 million?

Oh, you mean the 5 million sold, and the other 1 million still sitting on retail shelves waiting for a good home (or good developers)?

I think the point there is Microsoft has acknowledged a serious problem and taken drastic and expensive steps, which is more than can be said about Sony’s history.
And yes sorry to break your bubble the PS3 does not have a perfect 0% failure rate, but they have certainly learnt from their dodgy hardware dealings in the past this time.

I agree with you on the apparent reliability of the PS3 so far. It is impressive. Of course, that percentage could increase drastically if games actually start showing up that require more than 3 or 4 hours of play time.

We thought the previous PlayStations had drive problems... just wait.

Only in the mind of a Sony fanboy could a vaporware game that takes up 40+GB of optical storage being constantly accessed be construed as a good thing. Wear that worthless BD drive out, I say... I'm all for it. :)

I'm going to be receiving my second XBox 360 that died. I wonder how many of the 500K+ will be returned? Seriously, the 360 is a piece of s***. Sadly, their are no games for the PS3, and the games for the WII really aren't that good (graphically the WII isn't even up to the original xbox).

Sadly, this generation of gaming consoles has forced me back to my PC for gaming.

BTW, I own a (soon to be third) XBox 360 and a WII. And I only play the 360 maybe 4-6 hors a week.

I AM THE ORIGINAL THE-ONE (I hate that someone put an underscore in their name) and I'm no fanboy of any of these consoles, I'm actaully going to become a PC fanboy for this generation :)

fanboy must have new definition if you don't are not one.

i am sure none of the readers believe you own a 360. i don't at least.

There are plenty of games for the PS3. The story there are no games is total nonsense.

My local GAME store has 2 6 row shelves full of PS3 games, and there is a huge list of releases in the coming 2 months.

The story there are no games for PS3, is invented by the XBot drones, on command from Microsoft Xbot HQ. It may have been partially true 6 months ago, but certainly is not today. Infact, if you look at how dire the 360 game list was in year 0, I think the Xbox owners should be the embarrassed ones..

How about great or even good exclusives, which is one of the primary reasons to choose one console over another.

The only game to receive a 90+ score on Metacritic is Elder Scrolls Oblivion, which is just a rehash of a PC and 360 game that came out exactly 1 year before.

The rest are simply mediocre at best... less than half of all available titles receiving favorable reviews, certainly not worthy of the PS3's exorbitant price tag Sony has been demanding up to now.

http://www.metacritic.com/games/ps3/scores/

Sad.

Oh, care to enlighten us on this "huge" list?

TOP 20:

Xbox360 ranging from 97 to 86
PS3 ranging from 93 to 82
Wii ranging from 95 to 72

Considering the 360 had a full year headstart, I don't think 4 points in Metacritic are worth bragging about. I'd be pretty embarrased as a 360 owner, with that...

"There are plenty of games for the PS3. The story there are no games is total nonsense."

Oh there are games on the PS3, but mostly ports and multi platform titles. The phrase goes like this: There are no decent EXCLUSIVE games for the PS3. I know this will give you the urge to start listing a handful of crappy exclusives that most people don't really care about. The reality of the matter is, Sony does not enjoy the level of developer support and long list of exclusives they did back in the glory days of the PS2. All the whining and moaning on your part isn't going to change that. I know it's a real thorn in the side of every Sony fanboy, but this time around the playing field is a lot more level. In fact, it's tilted towards Nintendo at a steep angle and towards Microsoft at a shallower angle.

Who cares about a 1 year start. The point is the 360 has more games and better games out now!

"Xbox360 ranging from 97 to 86
PS3 ranging from 93 to 82
Wii ranging from 95 to 72"

And thinks once again for proving that point, that the PS3 is in last place, still! The 360 has the better games so why would you spend more money for less games, regardless if the 360 had a 1 year head start? Sure the PS3 'may' get better games in the future, but that doesn't mean the 360 isn't!

What? Why would i make this up? Wow, are you so dumb that you just throw away any FACTS that don't fit your views? Incredible!

MS admits 30% return, and among my friends that own them, most are on their SECOND xbox. One friend, lost his 360, it only has one light and MS will NOT replace it. Truely sad.

Look friend, you will likely return yours as well, then post back here. I really like the 360 graphics wise, game wise, and feature wise (xbox arcade is awesome). But, the thing is a piece a garbage and MS is bleeding red from it. I'm tired of returning mine.

Yes, but which are actually good? Wasn't it a Sony quote about games make a console? I'd like to get one, but their isn't any games worth playing (I am done with Oblivion bout a year ago btw).

The PS2 had a head start on the Xbox1. Does that mean we should disregard that the PS2 had a larger game base since it had a head start? It doesn't matter who started first. It is Xbox vs PS2 in reverse and the PS3 will never catch the 360 in games.

What... no "huge list"?

Didn't think so.

Games worth playing here they are
Resistance fall of man
Q-bert
Heavenly sword for about 4-5 hours
Stardust but that gets old real fast also.

Lol...These Sony fanboys make me think of that crazy Britney fan except they are screaming "Leave Sony alone!"

Chris Crocker is the guy (guy?) I think it's actually DaveBG.

Not me, I lean like a cholo.

If you telling truth about the second 360 getting s***ty then I'm truly sorry. I'm just glad I got mine in Dec 06, then I bought an Elite when Halo came out.

Both run cool and dont make a sound, first gen consoles and early adopters always get the shaft.

At the risk of sounding like Dave / Steve / Joey (all the same guy) the PS3 is truly rock solid so far, thier failure rate is something like 1-3 percent, which is impressive considering how many PS2's and PS1's went bad.

That's what Sony fans keep forgetting. Sony's previous generations weren't as free of failure as that of the PS3.

Exactly.

Oh they dont forget. Just look away

You mean this one? http://www.youtube.com/w...mode=related&search=

I just come here for the entertainment value now. It's hilarious to see the Sony fans whine and moan every time there's a positive Microsoft article. This one is a perfect example too. All the poor little Sony fans (both of them!) trying to spin things off into a Blu-Ray vs. HD-DVD discussion, even when the article has absolutely NOTHING to do with either format.

You can quote whomever you want and link to whatever obscure website to prove Sony is doing great. In the end, Sony is selling less consoles each month than either Nintendo or Microsoft. As I've said many times before, use your Sony math to prove that selling less consoles each month than your competitor means you're catching up to them!

Another thing I find outright hilarious is your attempts to down play Halo 3's massive success. Talk about desperation. It's bad enough the PS3 doesn't have any decent games now or anywhere on the horizon, but Halo 3 was like throwing salt on the poor Sony fans' wounds.

Twisting the spin the other way:

Sony in total still sold more consoles in the US last month than Microsoft. And before people say ‘the psp and ps2 dont count’ of course they do. You are only saying they dont count because Microsoft dont have a handheld and they f****d up the Xbox or they would still be selling it. Its not Sony and Nintendo’s fault Microsoft dont have a good enough range of consoles to compete with them.

Sony and Nintendo are pissing on Microsoft from a great height even with Halo boosting their sales.

US September console sales by manufacturer:

Nintendo - 996,800
Sony - 618,500
Microsoft - 527,800

Japanese September console sales by manufacturer:

Sony - 613,623
Nintendo - 413,061
Microsoft - 10,574

So the total console sales in those 2 regions for September are:

Nintendo - 1,409,861
Sony - 1,232,123
Microsoft - 538,374

And that’s in the month that Microsoft released their biggest game and spent ridiculous amounts of money plugging it. Sony and Nintendo are vastly more popular with gamers than Microsoft. That is hard undeniable fact.

In the UK, the Ps3 is now outselling the 360, DESPITE Halo3.

ROFL @ spin, the article is talking about the current generation, it has NOTHING to do with the previous generation.

The fact remains the ps3 is doing poorly and developers are running away from it and taking their exclusives with it.

Oh why dont we just look at all dam products that sony, nintendo and microsoft produce then shall we?
Read the article's title and come back and try again
F for fail

did you include windows xp and windows vista since it is a gaming platform and owned by microsoft.

i have seen people reaching but wow. this is very sad. really trying to run from the truth that sony is not in a good position with the PS3. sales are getting worse every month even after the price drop. if you drop the price a $100 and still can't sell consoles is really sad. really sad.

Like who?

Monster Hunt, Capcom is the only game I can think that springs to mind.

Developers are justing getting to grips with the PS3's power. Take a look at Gran Turismo 5 Prologue demo on Japanese playstation store, or the Ratchet And Clank Future demo. Both AAA rated titles.

I think he forgot.

"Twisting the spin the other way"

What spin? You Sony cheerleaders really crack me up. BetaNews can't even report sales numbers for current generation consoles without making you cry. You stink of desperation. Everything is a spin, if it makes Sony and their paperweight console look bad. And these days, pretty much every article makes them look bad. Unless you report something positive about Sony (good luck finding something positive) then it's ALL spin.

"In the UK, the Ps3 is now outselling the 360, DESPITE Halo3."

Hilarious. I bet Halo 3's success makes you cry yourself to sleep every night.

The ps3 has had a stellar past two weeks in the UK it should be noted. Of course this is after the Halo 3 rush period, and I wouldnt put any money on it continuing to do that at least until the holiday period.

The point is, the PS3 has been selling like hotcakes in the UK, vastly outselling the 360. However that does not get reported here, it's the usual one-sided picture of sweetness and light in 360/HD DVD land, because that's what the editors own.

Many sites are predicting a lacklustre holiday season for the 360, and with the damp squid Halo 3 having already been launched, no other notible 360 exclusives on the rader, aside from mass Effect.

How can there be 'no other notible 360 exclusives on the radar' if you just said 'aside from mass Effect.'?

Besides, what does the PS3 have coming for the holidays? GT5? No. MGS4? No. What else does the PS3 have besides those two games? Nothing really.

Wow...This post stinks severely of desperation. It's sad really. It must be painful for a Sony fanboy having to sit and watch as the company swirls down the toilet piece by piece.

Haze?
Unreal Tournement 3?
Unchartered: Drakes Fortune?
Ratchet And Clank Future?
Folklore?
Eye Of Judgement?
Gran Turismo 5 Prologue?

After Xmas, you have:

MGS4
Killzone 2
Little Big Planet
Gran Turismo 5 (full)

Other than Unreal Tournament 3, which is only a timed exclusive, who cares about the rest? None of them are on the same level as Halo 3.

Assassins Creed, Virtual Fighter 5 (now online, only on the Xbox version), Devil May Cry 4, Fatal Inertia, Soul Caliber 4, Resident Evil 5, Ace Combat 6, Haze (Yep, you heard me right!)

Was that list supposed to impress? I couldn't tell...

They are selling pre-orders for Assassin at Wal-mart for the PS3 right now... is this a list of games NOT for the PS3, or FOR the PS3? I kinda like Ace Combat...

Dude only suddenly for two weeks lol your going on like its something thats going on and on.
And dont bring up the whole editors are pro microsoft crap again...

Your last paragraph stinks of one sided reading... bigtime, i'm not even going to comment on it. You couldnt be further from the truth if you tried.

It seems the entire PS3 fanboy camp needs to learn what exclusive really means...

"Sure Haze is a PS3 exclusive when it hits on November 23, but come November 30 it's a mutliplatform title available for purchase on the PC and Xbox 360 as well."

Complements of Ubi.

It's funny how they constantly whine about Sony and the PS3 receiving negative attention from the "one-sided" and "biased" views of BetaNews (as if BN is the only site that rarely posts good news about them).

Quite simply, if Sony had actually done anything positive or worthy of mention recently, the articles would surely be different.

Oh yes, the PS3 had a "stellar" two weeks in the UK.. and? What's your point? That's like saying the Xbox360 had a STELLAR several months in the US. What matters is world wide sales numbers.

This is a list of games that once was or used to be PS3 exclusives, but aren't anymore. They are now availabe or going to be available on the 360 too.

My point is he wasnt being misleading or talking s*** there, he was right.

he never said they were the same level as halo 3... and new for you: mircosoft has nothing close to another halo 3.. so as he pointed out fair amount of exclusive for the holiday season and mircosoft has... the september release of halo3 to carry it through?

It's yet another DaveBG account pretending to be someone else.

"he never said they were the same level as halo 3"

I know, that's my point. Where's the PS3's Halo 3 killer? Residents: Fall of Man?

Not to mention Unreal has been pushed to next year.

Woo 528,000 consoles on halo launch month.

Lets hope the Xbox360 and Halo 3 sales don't "fall off a cliff" next month, as Betanews will surely have to report that.. (or not..)

Anyone who didn't expect a blip this month in 360 sales due to Halo 3 is an idiot, of course it would, however I think most people expected 360 sales to be significantly higher this month on the back of Halo3.

Basicaly, the 360 is coming to the end of it's console life, and being pushed into an early coffin, exactly like Microsoft did with the original Xbox.

Looks like Microsoft are about to dump on all existing 360 owners, with a totally new console:

http://www.smarthouse.co...Gaming/Console/P4G5C3U2

It's also interesting to see how closely PS3 and 360 are, if you take out the year difference..

http://www.ps3fanboy.com...th-360-launches-aligned/

So do developers just forget about all the people that don't have a HD-DVD or HD? I pity those people that will be stranded by M$. Like i have said before, M$ does not have a coherent strategy for the 360.

They really blew their one year lead when they rushed out the 360 after the failure of the first XBox.

The 360 came out in 2005, this machine which is still a rumor is expected in 2009, which means if it is real probably later than that. That's about the average lifetime for a console, but hey let's not mention that. Nor should we mention that this isn't going to hurt current owners at all if it's true. If you already own a 360 and want HD DVD guess what, you can get the seperate drive. Poor little Sony fans, the stink of desperation is great indeed.

"Basicaly, the 360 is coming to the end of it's console life,"

Do you know how to read your own sources? They're not 'dumping' on all existing owners. They're simply making a 360 with HD-DVD and Media Center built in. Nowhere in the article does it say that it's going to be an Xbox '720'.

It's also kind of nice that you provided links to a website called 'PS3 Fanboy'. They couldn't possibly be biased could they, just like you?

Significantly higher sales... than they already had?

Yeah, you're probably right. I'm sure hardly any of the already 10 million+ 360 owners had any desire to buy Halo 3.

Moron... at least pick a name you want to post gibberish under and stick with it.

I just found out that Virtual Fighter 5, once a PS3 exclusive, is now Online compatible.... Only on the Xbox 360 version!

All right peeps, I know this is not 360 related news but after having Transformers on HD-DVD since Tuesday and waiting until tonight to watch it, I would have to say, this was the best movie for picture and sound they have released.

I did use the 360 to watch it with the HD-DVD add-on at 1080p through HDMI on my projector and screen.

I highly recommend checking this movie out of you like ear and eye candy. The movie itself was actually well done and had a great blend of action and humor for the whole family.

Shame it's on the crippled HD DVD format.

Even Paramount admit HD DVD's lack of disc space compromised this release.

http://hddvd.highdefdige.../1110/transformers.html

"Indeed, I had the opportunity to attend a special 'Transformers' media event with Paramount late last week, and the question was asked almost immediately -- why no Dolby TrueHD or uncompressed PCM? The studio's answer was that due to space limitations on the disc, the decision was made to limit the audio to Dolby Digital-Plus 5.1 Surround only (here at 1.5mbps). Unfortunately, this confirms the long-held theory that the 30Gb capacity of an HD-30 dual-layer HD DVD disc has forced studios to choose between offering a robust supplements package (as they've done here) and the very best in audio"

That's why there coming out with a 51gb HD-DVD.

That only works on the latest generation of players. Gen1 and most Gen2 players, including the 360 add-on are incomptible with the tripple layer discs. Firmware or not.

The 51GB thing, is smoke and mirrors by Toshiba/HD DVD group to buy them time.

There is no proof of that yet, its speculation on the blu-ray camp again. hows profile 1.1 coming?

ROFL compromised? You have a problem with selective reading:

"This HD DVD is an impressive effort from Paramount. The transfer is very strong, and despite a lack of high-res audio, the Dolby Digital track still manages to earn a perfect five-star score. Finally, this two disc set is filled with extras that are both substantive and cutting-edge, boasting quality content and some genuine advancements in web-enabled technology. While there are some chinks in the armor here and there, this is certainly a top tier HD DVD release that's a must-own for fans of the film, and an easy recommend for anyone desiring some over-the-top demo material."

You pulled ONE negative thing and even then it really wasn't, you need a job.

where is facts to support this statement

But it does show the limitations of the inferior HD-DVD format.

Fine thanks. There should be a PS3 firmware update to deliver it, in the next few weeks. It's also worth pointing out, Profile 1.1 spec is vastly superior to HD DVD's interative features.

Jsut watch the HD DVD drones change their track, when 5.5 Million Blu-Ray suddenly have Profile 1.1, then Interactivity won't be important any more. LOL

What about those of us who have a real blu-ray player? You know, one that not a gaming machine. Firmware update isnt going to help us since the machine doesnt meet the bloody specs to start with.

If you were foolish to disregard the PS3 because it was a gaming machine, depsite the reality being it's actually the best HD player out there, bar none..

That's your fault...

ROFL!

Wow are you pathetic, so because Sony had an unfinished format, its ok to screw everyone else that didn't buy a ps3? Your logic is simply astounding!

"interative features."
"Jsut watch the HD DVD drones"

Says the grammar king. Who is uneducated now?

Yah if they were smart they would have disregarded it as a gaming machine and bought it with the intent to only watch movies on it. Then they wouldn't have been so disappointed.

Also it is far from the best HD player out there with it's terrible black levels. I would hate to see Blo-Rays worst if that is the case.

LOL

You absolutely amaze me...
Are you HONESTLY for real?

Smoke and mirrors... oh, you mean the way Sony and the BDA have marketed Blu-ray since before it launched?

There you go with that 'vastly superior' rubbish. Profile 2.0 isn't even vastly superior... and judging from their current Profile 1.1 release schedule, 2.0 will be ready by the time the next format wars are underway.

No, apparently he was foolish to even consider Blu-ray as a viable and complete HD solution to begin with... not that it has anything to do with this article.

"Even Paramount admit HD DVD's lack of disc space compromised this release."

- Er no, simplistic ignorant morons like yourself who unable to understand the subject properly merely pick out phrases like 'uncompressed' and imagine it to be the 'be-all and end-all' of the matter.

For a more accurate reflection of the audio in Transformers we thankfully have a range of informed opinion......

"Everything about this (audio) track just screams "REFERENCE!"
and
it holds up easily to the best PCM and True HD mixes that I have heard.

Call me a doubter no more."

http://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/review.php?ID=30988

- Truly you are a cretinous, ignorant, tedious & laughably blinkered little fanboy.

"That only works on the latest generation of players. Gen1 and most Gen2 players, including the 360 add-on are incomptible with the tripple layer discs. Firmware or not."

- LMAO.

Yeah, like you (or the rest of the Sony/PS3/Blu-ray shill drone fanboys) would know.

Actually the word is that 51gb TL discs are working nicely with even the gen 1 players.

You'll be hearing all about them (and the first movies appearing on them at CES in Jan 2008).

So, not too long to go until you get proved to be an absurd ignorant dreary little Sony/PS3/Blu-ray drone shill, again.

"There should be a PS3 firmware update to deliver it, in the next few weeks."

- Liar.

Prove it (and stop embarrasing yourself by pretending a comment about extending the PS3's internet abilities means full 'profile 1.1').

But it will be fun repeating this ludicrous claim back to you in the coming months.

"Profile 1.1 spec is vastly superior to HD DVD's interative features"

- So go on then, the floor is yours, explain just which features and how they are (according to you) "vastly superior to HD DVD's" HDi?

You'll never get an informed, educated response from him on that question. You never have before.

At least it's not on a format with an unfinished spec that can't incluse any interactive special features or PIP. That's right we're talking about Blu-Ray.

I'm glad you invested in the BD format and not HD-DVD, as you will get the shaft from Sony.

You were jumping up and down (over at blu-ray.com) like a little girl when Michael Bay announced he wouldn't do Transformers 2 if it wouldn't be on Blu Ray. That was until he posted the very next day that he was drinking with Blu Ray execs the night before and was told to say so.

You are truly pathetic and everybody knows it. No one likes you (including tyourself).

Transformers is incredible, don't listen to this pathetic fanoboy who actually came up with this:

http://petitionspot.com/petitions/Blu-ray/

By the way, his name is Dave Peterson (Joey Deacon, fake The_One, Steve Austin, and dozens of others)

You mean the grammar Queen.

"and judging from their current Profile 1.1 release schedule, 2.0 will be ready by the time the next format wars are underway."

- Yeah......and that's just the hardware.

Cos if the software (movies) won't work right with 'profile 1.0' players they can release as many 'profile 1.1' or 'profile 2.0' players as they like but there'll be no 'profile 1.1' or 'profile 2.0' discs to actually play in them.

Why on earth any Blu-ray supporting movie studio is going to suffer the expense & take the risk of providing this additional content/activity for a tiny minority of 'profile 1.1' & 'profile 2.0' players that might eventually end up 'out there' is something the idiot shill-drone fanboys seem incapable of grasping.

How about that HD format on the Wii.

Heh... very LOL-worthy. :)

Don't forget Ray Dorset, MinuteMaid, and most likely Mark Gillespie.

You left out Benjamin Linus

Indeed I did, thank you.

Was there ever really any doubt about the obviousness of this child's tactics?

Sorry, but I find all three of these consoles to be a great bargain for what you are getting in terms of processing power... well, the WII perhaps makes up for it with 'fun' instead of power...

There are lots of different games on all of the systems now... enough to give you a good taste of each if you need to pick only one. But really, the price of each of these consoles is approaching the price of 5 games...

I have one of each, and only in the past month have any of the PS3 games started to impress me. Hopefully this keeps up. Things are rather stagnent on the WII side of things really... lots of mediocre games... On the Box side of things, you've got a few great franchise games just out which are awesome.

Seems to me like a great time to be a gamer... and spend less time flaming...

Xbox or Wii as long as Sony DIES! Death to Sony and Blu-Ray!

i almost feel sorry for the sony fans

Na, don't feel bad. They spent $600, while you used it on something useful. No one forced them to buy a PS3 or take that "second job" to pay for it.

Is Sony going to give $200 vouchers at the Sony Store for the early buyers of the PS3?

No those people already got their shafts in the mail.

only if they purchase a iphone on the same day

LOL that's great :)

Wow. one month in America it outsells the Wii by 27,000 units. Will this last?

Nintendo is selling every unit they produce, so it would be interesting to see what their number would be if there was tons of stock like the 360 has since it has been selling so poorly in comparison every other month.

Halo 3 is their biggest title of the year. Have to see how quickly the sales decline next month.

I think the reason the Wii sold so high is because they simply had more supply last month... go fig.

Don't quote me on this though, I have no sources.

the real question is will sony be any comp by the end of the year. specailly since the 360 may coming with the HD-DVD drive in 2008.

http://www.engadget.com/...-dvd-drive-in-late-2008/

its funny that you consider this a selling point when most 360 fans bash the ps3 for having a bluray player.

so when it comes standard with a hd-dvd player how long until the games come out on hd-dvd discs. they will not be limited because of sheer size... then of course what happens to the old dvd playing 360s?

i agree the stores around here have been getting in a lot bigger shipments then before of course they are still all gone withen 24hours

Nobody is bashing sony for simply including a blu-ray player with the PS3...it's the fact that they forced this early expensive, potentially useless technology (which is what drove the price of the pS3 up isn't it?) down consumers throats...so they drove up the price of a game system just to push their interests in blu-ray.

"until the games come out on hd-dvd discs."

Nope, not going to happen.

I thought the 360 was a "game" machine and not a HD movie player? LOL. gotta love the M$ drones. flip/flop/flip/flop.

The Wii has sold like this every month since it came out; they sell every console they can make. And demand is only going to go up once Mario hits. Talk about a game that sells consoles.

Good luck finding a Wii for the holidays. I got mine ;)

Considering the new Xbox720, or whatever Microsoft are calling it, which arrives next year, has integrated HD DVD (if the format is still around by then), then games will be coming on HD DVD.

"then games will be coming on HD DVD."

Nope, there not. Microsoft already said they're not going to release games on HD-DVD. You don't have proof that they are though either.

That link you keep providing about your dream Xbox '720' isn't an Xbox '720'. If you can read your own articles it's an Xbox 360 with HD-DVD and Media Center built in (as they keep saying 'current' and 'original' Xbox 360 in the article). But of course you have to try to spin it in a new Xbox '720'.

All the new one will do is eliminate the need for an add-on. The games will still likely stay on DVD because I can assure you they are not stupid enough to cut out a VERY large percentage of their customer base. If you actually think there is any logic in that whatsoever then you are less intelligent than I thought.

I've had mine since March :-D

I'm not certain why you think you are special simply because you have a Wii. They may be available in far lower quantities than PS3 and Xbox 360 consoles, but they are not hard to find.

I'm almost expecting him to retort with "I think you meant to say less intelligenter... moron". :)

The last desperate Sony/PS3/Blu-ray shill-drone-fanboy resort, utter delusion.

This is a laughably vain hope that Microsoft will just write off their existing user-base and leave the field clear for their beloved.

So pathetic and so sad.

yea kinda like how they continued to support the original xbox and games many years down the road... oh wait.. they just expected everyone to get the 360. what makes you think they simply won't expect people to purchase the new console or even the add-on? if they what to make good games without 10 discs the will be switching to hd-dvd especially once the hd-dvd drive comes standard.

""until the games come out on hd-dvd discs."

Nope, not going to happen."

You mean exactly like this did a couple of years back with the original Xbox?

There's pit$ingo again!

Nope, that's not what he means. There's no point in arguing with Joey Lawrence.

"You mean exactly like this did a couple of years back with the original Xbox?"

- You really are laughably ignorant of the reality of the subject, aren't you?

Ill-informed, delusional and willfully ignorant.

Wow that's some combination you have going for you there Joey.

Why not quit wetting your pants & running away from the claims you keep making Joey?

Tell us all about how a mere extension of the PS3's internet capabilities means it will be 'profile 1.1' compliant like you claimed.

Tell us all about those 'superior' interactive features Blu-ray is getting.......in detail and with references to prove you didn't just get it as a 'message' in your head.

Like the coloured lights amd 'special' music you get too.

Moron.

I think he's referring to them being hard to find this holiday season, which I must say I agree with.

i prefer a modded wii and downloading divx for free. instead of ps3 with buying games and buying blu-ray. yuck!

I just had my second RRoD. Not happy.

Funny thing though; I still don't want a Sony.

I don't blame you. I mean what are you going to do with a PS3? There aren't any games for it.

"XBOX 360 top console in September", this should enrage a few Sony sheep.

There's the Dave desperation comment. BWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHHAAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"Continuing to disappoint, Sony's sales of the PlayStation 3 fell further during September, down nearly 10 percent to 119,000 units. Representatives for Sony shrugged off the bad news, pointing out that the company was cutting prices, and that sales should rebound."

Sony can drop the price of that console all they want, the more they sell, the more they lose on each one.

The Halo 3 effect on 360 console sales is way more than I ever thought I would be. Hats off to MS for showing Sony how it's done.

p.s. I have a PS3 that was the center of attention at our last Christmas party, only because you couldn't get one. I hate this machine and I only use it for playing one BD movie, Casino Royale. What a POS this thing is.

Let's all hold our breath while Sony comes up with a story for why the PS3 won't be upgradeable to 1.1 spec.

Remember, all PS3's manufactured after the deadline have to be 1.1, why do you think they are trying to get rid of the 40GBs?

To get every sucker to buy an old non 1.1 BD player before they let the world know they are screwed. It will be interesting at the end of the month when the BD fanboys are looking for thier firmware update and it doesn't come.

Sony = Soon, Only Not Yet or September, October,... Next Year. (that second one wasnt mine).

"Let's all hold our breath while Sony comes up with a story for why the PS3 won't be upgradeable to 1.1 spec."

Prepare to be flamed on by Davey any second now. However, while Davey will post his link, let me be the first to say "I'll believe it when I see it." I say this considering Sonys track record of being lying sacks of sh!t.

sony is not doing well at all even after the price drop

How many of these are replacements for failed units?

30% of 10 million consoles is 3 million consoles. I bet at least some of these are RROD replacements.

These are SALES figures, not replacement consoles. You Sony shills really are grasping at straws.

I'm sure PS3 will enjoy a lacklustre holiday season. We will have to wait for Nov 08' to see any progress from the ailing console.

Good news all round for HD-DVD/MS/Toshiba patriots.

RROD errors are covered under warranty why would someone buy another one if its covered?

You need to stay in your ps3 threads or at least contribute something to the thread other then the same troll you use over and over.

Joey Deacon / Dave only posts that to get a rise out of people who don't know any better. He figures he can come in here with new names and piss off newcomers but I'm always here to show what a complete desperate loser he really is.

He hates the fact that the 360 is dominating right now, just like I said it would. You have to understand that most people don't own a PS3 and a 360. Every 360 sale is one less PS3 sale for Sony.

His P3s investment has been less than a pleasurable experience for him, this is why he and the little girls over at blu-ray.com conspire to infiltrate forums and bash anything Microsoft or HD-DVD related.

If you think I'm kidding, I'll post the whole DaveBG dossier.

Here is one little glipmse into the mind of a desperate and utterly depressed fanboy with no girl and no money.

DaveBG a.k.a Dave over at the BD forums ............ LMAO! ............ put together (get this) a petition to send to the major studios who don't support Blu Ray.

Here is the hilarious link: http://petitionspot.com/petitions/Blu-ray/

(sometimes it works, someimes it doesn't, kind of like BD extra features on POTC2 Dead Man's Chest)

Nobody has signed it in months and I'm sure those 130 blu-ray.com forum memebers will bring the MPAA to it's knees in fear with that powerful piece of lobbying.

These blu-ray.com members have deep pockets, the problem is because they all wear baggy pants and the pockets are empty. They are a bunch of angry, grungy, stoner loners who still live in mommas house.

you're right that petition is pathetic

The whole thing sounds like it's worded by a desperate fifth grader sending a letter to Santa.

LMAO!

Funny... I've wondered the exact same thing about tens of millions of PS2 consoles.

But... do you see all of those names in that picture?

Those are the companies you trust! :)

I trust no company... I barely trust most charities.

Tens of millions of PS2. You are badly mistaken.

PS2 is an incredibly reliable console. The 360 on the other hand, is the most unreliable consumer product of all time.

Sony ps2 is STILL failing 15 revisions later, its not entirely reliable especially when used as a dvd player and game machine. The slim-lines heat up even faster then their previous model which makes little sense since there is less moving parts.

Pull all the numbers you want about the xbox360 the fact remains they admitted there was a problem, granted it should have been done sooner, but it happens.

Sony NEVER truly admitted the issue with the disk read errors. Even their site has a faq on disk read errors but never mentions the console could be at fault.

Also the failure rate for ps3 is 2% and I believe will increase as games come out for the device and people use it to play movies as well.

You kidding me? The PS2 is anything but reliable.

5th grader? I don't think he quite showed that level of intelligence...

"PS2 is an incredibly reliable console."

OMG! I can't stop laughing!!!

Exactly. In a large company the bottom dollar is and always will be numero uno.

Mistaken? You are blind...

It took class-action lawsuits to get Sony to admit there were several problems with every hardware revision of the PS2.

Microsoft didn't need the threat of a class-action lawsuit to own up to the problems with the Xbox 360... first revision.

You are badly unintelligent.