Let me also add that regardless of hardware specs I believe it comes down to games ad online capabilities in which MS is about 2-3 years further in development than Sony. But that said Sony has the option to constantly update this with firmware updates.

All in all I believe Sony & MS will split here, Wii will dominate in Japan and PS3 will win in Europe.

"I have no knowledge of who made what chips, but I find it unlikely that this "man" developed them both. For all we know it could be the guy who swept the floor in both offices where they were developed."

Its my father in law and he is the lead electrical engineer at IBM in Poughkeepsi NY, look it up and so be so quick to judge.

I am not biased and I stand by that, but I have to lean on the PS3 side for the shear fact that I dont believe the Xbox can provide what gamers expect for this next console cycle. Its was rushed to get to the market first with the compromise in technology. Msoft said grabbing early market share was worth more than putting more into the hardware, and as of right now it looks as though it has payed off well in the short term. But no1 here can tell me that the graphics on the 360 will be anywhere near tolerable in about 2-3 years neverless the full 5-6 year console cycyle. Look at the big picture- PC's are on quad SLI's currently and right now they are in development o the GPU on the same DIE and the CPU, yes this is a couple years out but... All Im saying is that with the rate of technology change why would you release a poduct that is already outdated at time of release?

Whats the point of purchasing a TV show?? Thats a rip off IMO, if you have a DVR u can record HD content for free (besides the cost of owning 1).
I think the movie download is a great idea and sony should try to achieve the same feature in their online service.

I am still unbiased and would not buy either console at this time due to the fact that a family member is a lead engineer that work on both processors and said that both chips were extremely rushed for launch and both need several revisions to get the chips to 100% efficiency. But with that said I will be buying a PS3 as I was told from the man who developed both chips that the PS3 architecture if leaps and bounds ahead of the xbox. Not only that but in playing the 360 I am very uimpressed, actually its quite pathetic! My PC has HAD better graphics for over 2 years than this junk box. Granted as the devs will be expanding on the 2nd gen games the system is currently outdated and is not worth purchasing something that cannot give me 5 years worth of "impressive" graphics and gameplay. Gears of war is impressive utilizing bloom lighting effesct, but I have seen this effect for over 2 years on PC games, sorry but just doesnt impress me.

What if your DVR didn't catch the show? Or you don't have one? There are plenty of valid reasons for purchasing a show. Its not for everyone, but it is for some. I've actually found it useful for long trips and purchased them for my ipod. I don't see my getting them on my 360 though.

And do you have a split personality? One minute you say your aren't biased and then you bash the 360 and say you are getting the PS3.

I think graphics are fairly equal between the two consoles, so if you think 360 graphics are no good, then you'll probably be disappointed with PS3.

"But with that said I will be buying a PS3 as I was told from the man who developed both chips that the PS3 architecture if leaps and bounds ahead of the xbox"

I have no knowledge of who made what chips, but I find it unlikely that this "man" developed them both. For all we know it could be the guy who swept the floor in both offices where they were developed.

I'm calling your bluff - you are nothing more than a PS3 fanboy. Is your name Mark?

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/617/617951p1.html

Quite good article if its ain't bulls*** (could be if its from microsoft). I'm actually playstation games fan, my good friend have xbox 360 and i can say its very good machine, but i just don't like so many pc titles, most of them i can play on my PC with mouse and keyboard. After reading this article (even if its little bit old) i get some doubts about actual cell power in games in compare to x360. In the end games will matter most to me, but now i don't believe all this "PS3 is a lot more powerful then Xbox 360", PS3 is instead a little late - thats all.

That actualy sounds like a good idea, if the price is right. It would beat renting movies; no late fees and I wouldn't have to take it back when I'm done.

HD sounds good too. It looks like it would be better than DVD quality.

If only they had LOST and Heroes then I wouldn't even need a TIVO any more.

Whatever Mark is, he's pleasantly predictable. You know where he stands. It's pretty obvious from his posts that he has an interest.

He doesn't have to be fair, but the cost is any shred of credibility.

I finally figured this out. I went back and read a ton of Mark's posts. He claims to be a developer, which I happen to believe.

It's the only explanation for his obvious one sided views towards Blu-Ray and the PS3. It's just too bad he has the reputation of a teen aged fanboy in the forums.

He is always saying negative things about any positive XBOX news and always putting a positive spin on bad news for Sony or Blu-Ray.

Now, way back when Circuit City's abortion named Divx was introduced, they also planted people in forums and opened thier own "fan sites" for Divx. Which they were busted on several times.

Mark is a planted spin doctor. period.

Would someone with extra time see how many other forum sites this guy is posting in and list them here?

www.gamesystemwars.com

www.thedvdwars.com

I wont let Sony win.

www.thedvdwars.com ?

If you know how to read those numbers you will see that hd dvd is in big trouble!
The hd dvd camp needed 100 times more than this if they wanted to win the war. 30-40 movies wont save them.
TDK`s Blu-Ray discs can hold 3+ to 7+ of the biggest hd dvds in one Blu-Ray with higher read/write speeds and at better future usability.

http://foxbd.com/
http://www.disneybluray.com/
http://forum.blu-ray.com/
http://www.blu-raydisc.com/

Personally, I don't really care which format wins. I'd prefer HD-DVD simply because I'll be getting the 360 HD-DVD drive.

What I don't understand though is why you think more capacity will get bluray to win.

There are 2 uses for each of these formats. Movies and Data. HD-DVD could certainly win for movies and lose for data. Bluray might win in the data arena, but it probably won't survive as there are many things in the future that will surpass it.

For simple home viewing of movies, HD-DVD is all that is needed.

"Mark is a planted spin doctor. period."

I think your right, I never even though of that, would make a lot more sense on how he can still support some retarded things sony does.

I couldnt agree more, blu-ray keeps trying to fill up all that space on their disks and playing it off likes its necessary.

Dave,

Where do you get these figures from? I am simply pointing out that HD-DVD is killing Blu-Ray right now.

You have no idea what is going to happen once the PS3 hits the streets. I for one am very interested myself. You just come up with silly comments when you have no idea what is going to really happen.

I already told you, I'm not a big fan of Sony but if it came down to it I will buy both players if I had to. I think a hybrid player would solve the mess and I will buy both Blu_Ray and HD-DVD discs.

I just dont see where you and Mark are so one sided, the numbers are showing one thing and you are wishing for another. Let's see what happens a few weeks after PS3 comes out.

I think the numbers will go up for Blu_Ray myself, but you never have anything good to say about HD-DVD.

Sony has had huge problems so far with Blu-Ray, if they force the public to decide on one or the other, HD-DVD should win out judging by the numbers so far.

I would say Blu_Ray having about 9-10 percent of the next gen DVD market and player sales is a problem for Blu_Ray, would you agree?

The PS3 demo movies I've seen look slow and sluggish but that's probably the limitations of the console:) Maybe they'll look better in imaginary 1080p, right Mark?

have you all seen

www.gamesystemwars.com

it's even better than

www.thedvdwars.com

........poor Mark, XBOX and HD-DVD on top in all categories.

Did you also see the HD-DVD add on for XBOX has a sales rank of........ahem.....3!

www.gamesystemwars.com is a neat site, but many of the release dates are WAY off.

Halo 3 January 2007??

Babylon 5 is being offered, sweet! Shame I don't have plans to buy a next-gen console for a while.

Hell, I just now got around to buying an XBox

I think this is actually a cool idea...Except: My experience with XBLIVE is very slow downloads. I have Verizon FIOS so speed is not an issue...But when I am downloading demos or other content, it seems very slow. I hope they speed this up a bit.

I would think that most people that have a 360 also have a DVR or HD DVR. So how is this any better than purchasing Pay Per View on your DVR? The fact that you can "own" the movies doesn't mean much if you have to keep them on your hard drive. The other online services that allow you to download movies and then burn them seems a lot better to me. What am I missing here? This seems like a waste of time from MS to me...

I don't know what world you're living in, but that's quite a statement to say that most people who own a 360 own a DVR. Think of the poor college students.

i kinda doubt that too.. most xbox users dont even have xbox live

Not to mention shows like Babylon 5 are no longer on the air, so a DVR isn't going to help you get those. Plus being able to download any episodes of any show you want on demand. Last I checked you can't do that on pay per view.

Well, if that's true then that makes a little more sense. I was thinking that the 360 is more of an early adopter product and it would follow that those people would also have a DVR of some sort already. I still think they need a mechanism to burn these to DVD if you're able to "own" them.

Umm the current retention rate of Xbox Live is 66% last time i checked i believe. meaning that 66% of all 360s bought have an active XboxLive account(NOT JUST THE STANDARD ONE).

Wow,

"Purchased television shows will be owned by the customer, while the movies are supplied on a rental basis and will expire after 24 hours. TV shows can be downloaded an unlimited number of times, and are not tied to a specific console, meaning they can be played using any Xbox 360."

Just read that again. This coming from the company about to release the Zune. Now that is surprising.

This is great news, and Engadget is reporting an a new 80GB external HD is on the way.

i guess you can count on Mark Gillespie to crap in most threads regarding companies he doesn't "like" for whatever reason...

the PS3 hasn't even been officially launched yet and MS is constantly offering more content and options for 360 owners...
XBOX Live is also waaaay more mature as its in its 2nd generation whereas Sony's live offering will debut with the PS3 and there will definitely be bumps along the road (and explosions too possibly, given Sony's recent track record)

all in all the 360 is a way better quality AND budget choice as you get more for less.

"The company was previously rumored to be readying a 100GB hard drive, which it referenced at the X06 conference in Korea."

that was a hoax xome on man :(

Hoax or just prematurly mentioned? Maybe Microsoft didn't want the info leaked so soon, so they covered it up by stating it was a hoax?

Either way - it certainly seems like a larger drive will be out.

"You can now download movies on TV on your XBox" (but the lousy 20GB we gave you is not enough, so you will need to pay for more).

The fact is, PS3 is actually turning out to be cheaper than the XBox360, assuming you want this functionality...

Movies are only temporary (14 days) and while they do take up significant space, I easily have enough for at least 2 on my console now. How many do you really need anyway?

TV shows will be much smaller and like arcade games can be downloaded more than once, so you can delete them after you watch and download them again if you want to watch them again.

I know you like to look at 360 related info as negatively as possible, but keep in mind its been out for over a year. We don't know if they'll release a version with a larger drive, allow storage of these movies/shows on external drives or how any kind of new drive will be priced.

I'm find spending additional money on a new drive. And your price comparison is just lame. Yes - if you compare every single thing, then PS3 could be cheaper. But most people don't need every single accessory. I already had a wireless adapter myself.

I just like winding up the Xbox fanboys..

I laughed when they were claiming that the launch PS3 titles would be crap, when infact they look better than 2nd gen Xbox360 titles...

Hey fanboy, don't be jealous. XBOX 360 has it all over PS3. HD-DVD is an option, not shoved down your throat at a substantial loss for each console.

You don't have to talk about PS3, all of them are already spoken for. I have my pre-sale on eBay, some joker is going to pay around 1700-2000 for this Blu-Ray boat anchor.

I considered smashing it to get one more Blu-Ray player off the streets but the profit will pay for my two daughters expensive tastes in Christmas gifts. Some Sony fanboy is going to help me indeed.

I hope it's you, so now you have spent $1000 dollars on a Blo_ray player and another $2000 on a bloated vaporware console.

On Christmas eve, I'll be playing the 360 on my 103" screen / projector combo while smoking a cigar the size of Cincinatti, drinking a martini, and toasing in front of the fireplace to all the Sony fanboy who funded my holiday.

The best part is, I don't even need the money. I have my own business and work from home. Did you ever notice that a lot of my posts are during normal working hours when most people are at work? I wonder what you do for a living? It's either Best Buy A/V dept. or you work at Sony Style.

I knew you wouldn't keep your big nose out of this thread. If you give me your email, I will send you a nice Christmas Eve photo with all the hundreds fanned out.

Have a great holiday season everybody else besides DaveBG, I will be here to reply to every one of this lemmings posts.

www.thedvdwars.com

It's looking worse for Blu_Ray every day, only one movie better than 1000 sales rank, and only for a short time. The good news is all of Blu_Ray's movies are better than 10000 in the sales rankings.

As of right now, HD-DVD has all but one better than 1000 and several in the 100's. But you don't want to hear facts, right?

Mark,

You crack me up, a lot of people live in denial.

You are the king of lemmings. And everybody here knows it. People are posting things about your replies before you even get to the new stories.

This guy actually said 5 million PS3's? I wish I was here to see that post so I can rub it in his face.

LMAO, my same plans originally, but I've decided to sit this release out. Too much hassle to even pre-order.

P.S. I post from work.

I laughed 6 months ago when you said there would be 5 million ps3's at launch. Where did that confidence go?

Toys R Us was the only store you had a chance with, there was nobody there, I got the fitfh console out of six available. Unfortunately there was a couple people behind me or I would have bought two of them.

I'm telling your boss you are posting from work :)

Sorry but you have become the biggest joke on Betanews.

I dont think any PS3 launch title looks better than gears of war =)

I dont recall the details, but I remember the fan boys quoting a $ony press release saying they were making 1 million units per month, and within the time table it was possible to have about 5-6 million units at launch... Which was a retarded assumption sinse most production lines have problems. My prediction at the time was 500,000 units, I was off by 100,000 :'(

I haven't seen a PS3 in action yet, so I can't really say which looks better.

All I can say is that there are tons of games for the 360 and it is looking like their is a whole lot more you can do with it right now.

As much as I get a good laugh out of Mark's posts, I would really like to see him post (as unbiased as possible) a comparison of PS3 vs 360 and exactly WHY he feels PS3 is better. Actually - it wouldn't need to be unbiased, just factual and not made up facts or twisting of facts.

PS3 is better because it's Sony.

what?! they are not launching 5 milion units in worldwide release?? but they prommised!!!

anyways i thought the PS3 was released last march... oh well.

dude! LOL!
what looks better?!

let me try. how about - "exist" is BETTER then "not released yet"?!

"I just like winding up the Xbox fanboys.."

Easy to say after the fact...true...doubtful.

"I laughed when they were claiming that the launch PS3 titles would be crap, when [in fact] they look better than 2nd gen Xbox360 titles..."

Those screen shots play so awesome!

Did you see the list of games (supposed to be 30 but is actually 14) available for the PS3 bt the release date?

Most of them are junk, I didn't know there was going to be so few good games.

Sorry Mark

I'm trying my best dammit.

Once Mark (the developer) is laid off because of lack of interest in PS3 and Sony's bankruptcy and gets picked up by Microsoft, he will be spouting all new fanboy posts.

hi guys, have you seen PS3 in action on you tube?
omg how can they use that disgusting psp menu. i mean how is that supposed to compete with the xbox interface. can you say rip off on soo many features. like controller. turn on button in the middle?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XySoLHMnjRM

and can it be any worse at loading?

oh.. right. I forgot.

I am a developer, not for Sony, nor for any games company at all, infact nothing todo with the games industry at all.

You can think all you like, but the Playstation brand is by far the biggest console brand there is, with over 210 Million consoles shipped so far with the Playstation logo, there is no way it will fail, people recognise the brand name.

You may have a motive for Blu-Ray failing, I assume you don't want your Toshiba HD-DVD drive as a door wedge in a year from now, but that alone is not enough to prevnt the innevitable from happening...

I wonder when Blu-Ray sales and titles overtake HD-DVD, will you still be posting your links to dvdwars? I somehow doubt it. Nevermind, I will take up the batton...

Link to the post where I claimed there will be 5 Million PS3's at launch?

Your talking out your behind, Sony haters are getting very desperate, even resorting to making claims up.

I don't recall even Sony claiming 5 million consoles at launch, 2 million at launch, then 2 million by year end, both are VERY different from 5 million launch consoles...

You obviously missed the bit about loading from the hard drive to improve loading times. Listen to the audio track.

Personally, I like the X-Bar interface, very intuitive, and not cluttered. It's not the same are the PSP, many more options, Instant Messaging, User Profiles etc.

Take a look at Resistance: Fall of Man on IGN, the latest videos from Oct 2006, Whilst theu may or may not be better than Gears Of War, these are LAUNCH titles.. So are comparable to Xbox360 titles from a year ago.

http://media.ps3.ign.com...748483/vid_1733347.html

When people suggested that PS3 launch titles will suck, they were wrong.

Unfortunatly, I have to wait until March for PS3 in Europe, but when it comes out, it's gonna have UT2007, Half Life 2, with EP1 and EP2 and lots of other titles...

Just because they ae the biggest console brand doesn't mean they are the best.

You really seem to follow them blindly. And it really shows when you have to twist the facts to make it look like PS3 is better.

Unless there are games you MUST have on the PS3 and you won't own more than 1 console, I see no reason to spend the extra money on the PS3 or for that matter any reason to wait. Just get a 360 and start enjoying what you could have been enjoying for the past year.

And in regards to the "launch titles". Some of these are really 1.5 gen titles since the console was delayed 6 months. That gave developers an extra 6 months to polish things up.

Screenshots always look good. It doesn't meant they will translate into a great looking game.

"Listen to the audio track."

The same audio track that incorrectly says you have to push buttons on both the controller and console to sync for the 360?

"but the lousy 20GB we gave you is not enough, so you will need to pay for more"

Actually the movies are 5gb and the shows are 2gb. It looks like it would fit in 20gb to me.

Your just jelous cause your PS3 can't do that. Unless Sony once again copies Microsoft.

You can't look at just screenshots. For one thing Sony likes to put pre-rendered screenshots of games rather than real gameplay. We have to wait until it's actually out and play it to see what it actually looks like.

"When people suggested that PS3 launch titles will suck, they were wrong."

That's actually a matter of opion. You may like some of the games, but that doesn't mean everyone will.

Half Life 2 with ep1&2 (and portal) is also coming to the 360. It's one I'm going to get when it comes out. Plus I *saved* $200 because I got it for the 360 instead of getting a PS3 and buying it. It'll probably have quicker loading times too. :-)

"even resorting to making claims up."

Acutally your the worst at making things up. Sorry but it's true. Like trying to say 2x BD is faster than 12x DVD; until your own links proved you wrong.

I wonder what will happen to you when HD-DVD is found to prevaile, and BEtamax 2 is weaved out? Will you stop posting, and curl up in your closet, or slit your wrists because life isnt worth living anymore?

So basically re-released games? Same old shi$, just MORE TIME to make the game look better.

That could NEVER happen though. PS3 is going to give such a jump to bluray sales! Don't you know! LOL

hmm.. anyone know how many HD-DVD drives are going to be produced? It seems MS could easily produce enough to match the number of PS3's available for launch. I'd say they might even be able to sell 500,000 before PS3 launches.

What's the do for HD-DVD sales?

How would those same games have looked and played in the spring? Remember - the console was SUPPOSED to be released early this year, so dev's have had extra time to polish things up.

After seeing the video, I don't think it looks any better than COD2.

I have niether Blu_Ray (except the PS3 pre-order) or HD-DVD. I said I hope a hybrid player solves this mess. I would spend a grand on it.

Here is the bad part, eventually both formats will disable 1080i/p out on the component outputs with future movie releases. I have no use for HDMI, I cant stand it.

The initial movies don't have the code to instruct the player to do so, yet.

So, If I am getting a scaled down picture from my component out because they dont want people copying movies, they can both go to hell and I will stick with regular DVD's.

By the way, you said you were a developer in a past post, if you want me to dig it up and post the URL I will.