When is MS going to up the HDD space? 20GB isn't going to cut it anymore.

Didn't they mentioned a 100 version will come shortly?

Hay

is for horses.

I like the idea of having access to those programs. Even though I'm a MAC user this sure sounds more like an real entertainment station then Apple's prototype.

My guess is. If it will be adopted and it'll make a decent profit for Microsoft they will drop the price for the Xbox so more people will buy it. I think very good move.

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I like this idea. I might try it out. They should get Heroes though, which is on NBC. I love that show.

By the way if you want to know it's about 80 points per dollar. I broke it down here:

Shows:
HD: $3
SD: $2

Movies:
(New)
HD: $6
SD: $4
(Classic)
HD: $4.50
SD: $3.00

The price's arn't too bad. It would be cheaper than watching the movie on Blue-Ray or HD-DVD. And I normally watch movies only once anyway.

Paying for TV shows that are free on terrestrial broadcasting??? Microsoft really have re-programmed the XBox owners...

WAKE UP, IT'S FREE ON NORMAL TV, NO NEED TO PAY....

You always have to try to come up with something nagative when the Xbox does something your precious $600 (and up) PS3 can't do.

What about if you miss one of your favorite shows? One that's kind of like Heroe's (I know it's not on Live currently, but let's just use it for an examle for now) that is a continued story. Wouldn't you like to be able to just download it? I bet the commercials would be cut too, which would also be nice.

Come on Mark. This is getting pretty old. You don't need to post in every Xbox artical to try and downgrade it, just because your jealous.

Touched a raw nerve did I? I didn't even mention XBox, I mentioned the concept of paying for TV shows....

PS3 has downloadable movie and TV content also, so it's not "just because your jealous", if you want to be picky PS3 is MORE suited for movie and TV downloads, as it has 3x bigger harddisk, and facility to fit standard 2.5in IDE HDD to upgrade futher.

I understand the attraction of the movie downloads, as it costs money to watch movies, be it on DVD at at the cinema, or downloaded onto a console, but F.T.A. TV shows, free on TV or costs money to download to a console, who wants that???

PS. It's $499 and up, you can add $101 to the price if you want, but it make you look like a rabid xbox fanboy..

Its not exactly ground breaking what microsoft has done here, they are certianly not the first. You know the internets are very popular these days and an awfull lot of people download TV eps... All this does is capitalise on it.
Hell il be the first to admit i download Tv shows all the time, the idea of getting tv shows when you want to watch them is good

No arguments there except I dont watch FTA. Thus I dont get adverts shoved in my face, network has to pay for the show somehow I guess so why not a small fee.

I think this is then perhaps a cultural thing, as where I live, I already have the choice, BBC Licence fee, no adverts, or advert paid TV..

Yes its free on normal tv. Unless you missed the program and want to see it. Then you get to buy a box set or try to rent 1 disc of it that costs considerably more money and takes up a lot more time than downloaing it for 2-3 dollars. They have multiple seasons available for dl with the shows.

You truely are a sony drone. Anything that is mildley negative vs sony or is a competitor you spout some bile against them.

ITS NOT FREE IF YOU MISSED IT ON NORMAL TV.. YOU WILL HAVE TO PAY TO RENT OR BUY BOX SET..

"Touched a raw nerve did I?"

No, not really, your just predictable. And it's getting boring.

"free on TV or costs money to download to a console, who wants that???"

Like I said though, what if you missed the show you were interested in. And you wanted to to still wanted to still watch it. I'd pay $3 to watch it in HD.

Plus there's probaly no ad's in it either.

"if you want to be picky PS3 is MORE suited for movie and TV downloads"

Well not really, because the movies expire after a while (so you have to delete them anyway after you see them) and the shows you can download them as many times as you want once you pay for them (there tied to your Xbox Live account). So space isn't too much of a necessity. It just saves me $200.

PS:
"It's $499 and up"

Well, yeah; but my point was that it's $200 (or more) than the Xbox 360. And good luck finding one at the store for $499 (hince the and up). You would have to be a "rabid" PS3 fanboy to point that out.

Also where did you get that the PS3 has movies and shows too. I'm not saying your wrong, I just couldn't find any articles by googling about them. Do you have any links?

The only article I can find, is on Joystiq, so not that reliable, but it's pretty obvious the PS3 will.

1/Sony have a massive media catalog, from Sony pictures, it's subsiduries and partners.

2/The PS3 is more than capable, plus it's got a web browser, making it an ideal secure DRM movie platform..

Or of course, if your so inclined, you can get your content for free, as the PS3 will also support Bittorrent...

If they do though, Sony will be just to copy Microsoft once again.

I could see Sony not wanting to do downloadable movies though too so that they can push there Blue-Ray format instead. I know MS has the HD-DVD add-on too (oops, I guess bolt-on), but that's not made by MS; so they have no need to push it.

"Or of course, if your so inclined, you can get your content for free, as the PS3 will also support Bittorrent..."

There probably are a lot of restrictions with that though too. Like does the PS3 play Divx/Xvid, or able to Unzip/rar a file? Having a PSP, Sony might even come up with firmware updates to try to stop illegal things though too (they'll want you to buy shows and movies from them instead).

But actually the 360 can play downloaded shows too though the built-in Media Center Extender (if you want to go the illegal way). You can stream any video's/music/pictures that you have on your computer though your network.

What's kind of cool too is I can also play HD wmv video's on my 360 too. It'll play it from CD, DVD, an external HD or MCE. I like to download the 720p HD video's on Gamespot.com (mostely Video Reviews, Gears of War looks great) and watch them on my 50" plasma TV (just to let you know, it's a Toshiba... not a Sony:).

Please... just move to Japan. That way you can start supporting the country you actually love. Microsoft brings tons of jobs and money to this country. Imagine no Microsoft, IBM, or Apple. Without companies like that, we wouldn't be able to afford a PS3.

There you go assumeing again...When you assume you make an a** out of u and...well nvm just you.

Is anyone holding a gun to your head saying you haft to buy the TV shows? Didn't think so.

I always wondered what people saw in the XBox, as it had nothing obvious going for it..

Now I know, the Xbox360 market share is down to patriotism.

Personally I buy my console based on quality of hardware, quality and quantity of the games and movies I want to play.. Silly me..

So are you saying it will not?

The PS3 has always been marketted as a media hub, the XBox360 is being re-crafted into one, after Microsoft saw where Sony were heading. Shame they left out the HD-DVD...

Dunno about anyone elses but my 360 has been a media hub since i got it april this year - out of the box

Then you'll have a very difficult time choosing what console to buy if you do as there are two consoles with good quality hardware and fantastic games out there.

Dont have anything like that here, heck paid tv used to have no adverts - now its becoming just like fta :|

The 360's always been marketed as part of a media center theres nothing new there. Where as sony hasnt mentioned specs really.. And naw they just left it expandable. Why would i have needed a hddvd player last year when there so few hddvd movies to be had? 200 is more than fair to pay for the hddvd drive/remote and 1st movie that is easily expandable. If they would have done that it probably would have been repeatedly postponed like something else was.

But yeah sony will add the ability to d/l movies and tv shows to mimic microsoft like they copied the wiimote with their 6axis remote. Yeah sony has been so original they have to steal others ideas.

It's what's called a DVD recorder.

"There probably are a lot of restrictions with that though too. Like does the PS3 play Divx/Xvid, or able to Unzip/rar a file?"

PS3 can boot Linux, legally, you can run Bittorrent, play Xvid, unzip/unrar, run Firefox, infact pretty much anything you can compile on Linux for a PC, will compile on Linux for PowerPC, which is used for PS3.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZXcuhJkwx4

View it an weep...

There are apparently a couple of restrictions, nothing earth shattering, and some may be resolved when YellowDog Linux is released in a week or 2.. Currently there is no linux Wifi driver (wired works like a champ), and apprently you can't access Blu-Ray movies under liux as the content is encrypted, you can however access the drive. You can fully access the GPU, but you cannot use Sony PS3 graphics API, you have to use OpenGL.

Still it's nice to be able to do all this stuff.

They don't have it now so there's no reason to tout a nonexistent feature (I have a PS3 on my Game shelf along with my 360, Wii and others).
It's capable but having a web browser has absolutely nothing to do with making it an ideal DRM platform, having a web browser lets it surf the net, which is a feature the 360 cannot do, by itself.
Sony has said nothing at all about supporting Bitorrent (yes I know you can install Linux and run a client, but then you can't run PS3 games at the same time so not very useful for the average consumer, for people who want to steal content sure, but we are talking about legitimate stuff) and probably wouldn't since the don't want to get sued out of existence for supporting illegal content, so are you just making this stuff up?

So how does this dvd recorder thing help me with a episode i missed last year again? and in high def.

thanks for that dumba** comment

Here Marky

http://www.hardcoreware....eviews/review-348-1.htm

Now shut up, and if you don't I have more links.

Screw it, I can't help myself.

http://www.joystiq.com/2...xbox-360-vs-ps3-screens/
http://dpad.gotfrag.com/...al/story/35372/?spage=1

It appears the PS3 suffers from the same exact thing as the PS2. A drop in frame rate, I was going to buy one in MArch, but I think I'm going to pass this system up all together now.

http://digitalbattle.com...0/video-ps3-overheating/

Oh an this poor fanboy COOKED his PS3 after only 3 hours of game play!!

Heres quality for you

http://www.hardcoreware....eviews/review-348-1.htm

Read this and weep...

http://www.hardcoreware....eviews/review-348-1.htm

View this and WEEP!!!

http://digitalbattle.com...0/video-ps3-overheating

"I always wondered what people saw in the XBox, as it had nothing obvious going for it.."

- $200 Cheaper
- The Xbox has more games
- The 360 has been out longer so most hardware glitches have been taken out. While the PS3 probably won't for a while.
- Better Online (Tony Hawk's Project 8, which TH was invented on the Playstation, has online on the 360 version but doesn't have any online at all for the PS3 version.)
- 360 has quicker loading times
- Most games will be multi-platform
- Graphics are basically the same (most games will probably now be developed for the 360, then ported over to the PS3; kind of like it was before, most PS2 games being ported to the Xbox 1... the 360 is also easier to delevope for)
- Some games are already cheaper on the 360 (like PGR3 for $29.99) while most PS3 games are going to be $59.99 (for now anyway).
- HD-DVD is optional if you care to watch movies. If you don't care about movies, then you can save your $200 (or spend it on more games).
- You can go to the store now and pick up a 360. ;)

"and movies I want to play"

Well actually, if you didn't read the article, you can download HD movies now for only $6... which is way cheaper than paying about $30 for the HD-DVD or Blue-Ray versions.

um, u get free tv? really? mine costs about 65 dollers a month, i hear others saying they pay more, none the less, it costs money...

u might want to research before you post, even if u pirite it some how, for a satalite like direct tv, it still costs u for the box, and the reporgramming tool and cards..

jeez

do u know if the files stay on your xbox? permenetly? or just a portal to view once?

i would like to make a fourm to promote microsofts xbox and xobox 360. and live etc.. just so that Mark Gillespie will sign up and i can personally ban his account whenever i feel like it, would be a nice scene to ban a post flamer like this.

btw, i dont much care too much about ps3, nintendo wii, or xbox 360, im content with my ps2 and a ton of goos rpgs cheap for now.

just saying Mark Gillespie should go play his ps3 a bit more, and get off the damn forums.

Mark Gillespie ... he could be in canada, i know that in total, with tax included, a ps3 is actually 836.42 canadian, just the 60 GB console, wireless controller and movie. not even a game.

soo ya, comments? thought not.

cool, bit torrent on sony, soo they want you to DL their sony produced brand new movies, for free on bit torrent? or is it a controlled bit torrent site? hmm.. seems sketchy to me, either way not a selling point on a console for me.

i buy a console to maddly play on it, and i want to play games i like, so any system that is afordable, fun, and plays games i like i will buy. not a blueray dvd playing console, i wont ever buy a ps3 becasue of the blueray, im not saying i wont ever get a ps3, just not for those reasons.

ok...

consoleProcesser(String console){
if(console == modular){
if(console == cheaper) return true;

else return false;

if( consoleProcesser(xbox360) > consoleProcesser(ps3) ) {
sprintf < "microsofts better becasue they wnet modular...";

ok, are you asking why? are you feeling alone, in the darkend area of life? not sure whats happening? scared and self concious? well ill shed some light on the subject.

modular hd dvd drives.. why are they better modular? well if it breaks, u can replace it, not the whole console, if blue ray take over, and hd dvd goes caputs you ask? well they will build a modular blueray dvd component.

its a smart move, small sleak, and modular.

whats sony gonna do if blueray goes down the drain? will you cut the blueray out? soder in a hd dvd drive? recall all the ps3s for swaps? or.. maybe just sell a hd dvd player and some crazy glue in a box, for you to cement on yourself?

need i say more? perhaps, just a thought though.

i dont tihnk thats a valid comment, you have no idea if he supports the country or the company, two diff things, stay on tpoic plz.

lol nice article..

in reference to the xbox 360 GPU :"it’s the single most advanced GPU currently available anyway for purchase"...

ok, so they are in short saying that the xbox 360 design is better for not raw power, but smarts, and design implimentation and ability to use functional smaller porcessers faster and better, and in unison, ok soo why is the ps3 advertized as the best, and the biggest, and the most expancive, when the xbox 360 is by far better then any other capable GPU on the market?

can i say lies? whos right, i really dont know, im not that smart, but i think its safe to say sony needs to play smart, not big.

The video's actually download to your 360 HDD. So yeah, they stay on your xbox. Although the Movies do expire after a while (I'm not sure how long though). The shows though can stay on permenetly (or until you delete them). The shows are also tied to your Xbox Live account too, so once you pay for a show you can download it as many times as you want (so if your HDD is getting full, you can delete it if you want to save space).

"soder in a hd dvd drive?"

Well you could. But then you couldn't play an games on it though. :-p

Only Sony is advertising that it's the best. I don't know what you mean by biggest (physically bigger?). The reason why there the most expensive is because they decided to put there Blue-Ray drive in it (and to also try to push for their format). It's mostly just Sony and fanboys saying it's bigger, better and badder.

The graphics cards are basically the same, just one is made by nVidia (based of the 6800) and the other is ATi (based of the 9600). The PS3 was supposed to be released when the 360 was, but Microsoft released there instead.

" Mark Gillespie should go play his ps3 a bit more"

To bad for him, he lives in Europe. It's not going to be released there until March 2007.

Then again, mp3 downloads were there available for everybody to use before iTunes but Apple capitalized the idea pretty well even thought some said this was doomed to failure. I think this is a great and brilliand idea. It completely makes the whole tv shows download trivial and painless, piece-of-cake. We don't care if you download them using torrents. We want them NOW and the easiest way possible.

"TV shows, free on TV or costs money to download to a console, who wants that???"
Ehh, doh. Check the major torrent sites and tell me whats hot, and those tv shows on dvd for people to buy or rent them and go figure :) Also, HD is a nice plus.

Big win for Microsoft in this one.

Its terribly slow at the moment, dont think microsoft really anticipated how popular this server is going to be. 10 hours later and I still have 24% left on my purchase :|

Lot of interesting articles about the 360 today, seems ps3 lost more exclusives.

The Sony fanboys wont like that news.

www.thedvdwars.com
www.gamesystemwars.com
www.nexgenwars.com
www.thelookandsoundofperfect.com
www.toshiba.com

Let the Mark and Dave negativity begin.

www.thedvdwars.com
www.gamesystemwars.com
www.nexgenwars.com
www.thelookandsoundofperfect.com
www.toshiba.com

By the way, Wii is kicking the crap out of the 360 and the PS3 in the reviews.

I guess people like having fun playing games versus almost real texture mapping and graphics. It makes sense, the old school arcade games were fun to play, that is what Nintendo is going for with it's new system.

You can actually get your hands on them too. The lines are short and everyone is civilized.

And when the WII is not bricked..

Nintendo are having serious reliability issues with the WII, suprised it's not been mentioned here.. If it were PS3 issues it certainly would be...

Give the ps3 time to let people actualy use it. Since its not really available in quantity and those who have it arent playing it they are trying to resell it(and the ebay buyers are drying up now, it can be had for under 1k now which is a very fast dropoff that shows disinterest unlike the xbox360 that when ebay resellers last year kept up the 1k-1500 through xmas and didnt dropoff 5 days later to almost retail. There are ps3 buy it nows for 800 for the 20gig and 1000 for the 60gig. Fast dropoff for something that allegedly everyone wants but nobody can sell. The buyers are drying up.

So give the first batch of ps3's time to get use since most of them were bought not to be used but to be resold. I have 4 friends who got ps3's and 3 are trying to resell(one of them got like 3800 for it, the 2 others havent been able to sell them for what they want so far) only 1 is using it to actualy play games. Also there are 4x more wii available and being activley played unlike the ps3 which is actively being fed ex'ed.

Or it could be that nobody is buying from ebay, to show the muppets that tried to make a quick buck, a lesson.

More than likely however, is the followup PS3 shipments are now in the retail chain again, with less media frenzy, so people can turn up and (if they are lucky) buy one...

Nahh, that's just a PS3 fanboy wishfull thinking.

O the Wii is having reliability issues huh? You got a source? Because if you don't I guess that would mean that you just made it up and that wouldn't be good...

Well I know your from Europe, so wheres your PS3? Since "PS3 shipments are now in the retail chain again" On wait... I just remembered, you have to wait until MARCH, LMAO.

480 MS points is just about 6dollars in RL currency.

So how much is 480 Microsoft points in real currency?

Crafty marketing, people dis-associate with real $$

But you can win the points also with achievements you ulock also. So hence the kinda random value for them.

oh no sony thx for the 1080i fix
http://www.engadget.com/...ving-customers-in-lurch/

and a little something from the ny times
http://www.nytimes.com/2...=slogin&oref=slogin

Awesome the 1080i article should shut Marky up for a while.