I just want to say does IPOD have such value that make us have so much interesting, the tone or the appearance or others ;(

If you were smart, you wouldn't have an MP3 player that requires a program to transfer your MP3's, like my iAudio X5 60gb. It works with Windows, Mac and Linux... no software needed. Just plug it in, drag your MP3's over to the Music folder, unplug the player and hit play. You can't get any easier than that.

I can't beleive people are still buying the iSheeps. Baahh!

@davidlerner & @xxdesmus

I completely agree with you both. I have 2 kids who both have/had 30gb ipod videos and I have a 60gb video. After a lengthy argument with Apple Care on the phone, where I was told that consumers will know when an Vista compatiable iTunes would be released only when it was on the web page, and not before, I decided to leave iPod behind. Though there are things I do NOT like about the Zune, I decided to go buy 3 of them that very night for the family. The next day Apple sent an email asking me to rate my experience with the Apple Care CSR. I gave it the worst possible in every category and explained that I replaced all my Apple iPods with MS Zunes :D . Two days later we get this crappy attempt at a fix and nothing has changed.

Apple will never change, it is a shame because I once thought of switching. (Not anymore)
I am going to stick to MS for one big reason, that is that they are not cheaters and do not do things like this. They either say it works or it doesn't work.

~DL

@davidlerner

You could not be more correct.

This is Apple being smug arrogant pricks (like usual). They will drag their feet on this as long as they can because they think it will keep some people from upgrading. (If you put off upgrading to Vista just because of iTunes then you are pathetic).

However, this little plan will backfire, and miserably. I've already left iTunes because of this BS. I won't ever use iTunes again...yeah, good plan Apple. Piss off and screw your users...you sure showed them.

Now this is really all Apples fault.

The reason is that, they do not work with Vista is not because the have lots of bugs. It is because they think that the longer they can delay the vista version the longer they will keep gaining power over pc's. What they do not understand is that this will all just backfire on them after a couple months, because people will stop relying on Apple as much as they do now.

I am a Pc user and fan. Though this does not mean that I do not like Apple, because I think that they have a good lead in innovation over Pcs :)

~DL

Er...

Apple Computers *are* PCs. Did you miss that whole "apple switches to Intel" bit?

That may be true, but that wasn't his point.

itunes will play fine for hours on my vista install... but when i sync thins go crazy, i get blue screens of death... don't even try syncing your photo albums, that seems to be a death wish.

Strangest thing is i even decided to move back to XP on a different partition and wipe my ipod clean w/ an erase/sync and now that isn't even working. In XP my ipod used to work flawlessly... i dont know if it's the 7.1 ver or what... not much else has changed for me config wise.

combination of bitcomet and itunes while syncing caused my vista ultimate new pc i built today to crash... it did it twice and now i dont run the both at sametime and no crashes :-) wierd.

Ipod is the only device that could die after unplugging from a computer. Of course, this is not Apple's fault, it's always other people's problem. Just like the compatibility issue here.

You have to "eject" the device before you unplug it.

At least MS is "working" with apple to fix this issue.

Ill give another 3 months to switch to vista.

Why use iTunes anyway? I prefer the flexibility of my Zen.

You and 2 other people. BWAHAHA

People use Zen's?

Hey, dont bring me into this conversation. I only used ZenCast for 3 days (it kept crashing or randomly freezing at different parts of the program (yeah, i searched creative's community forums and plenty of other people are having the same issues).

At least (when it works), the Zen software doesnt corrupt the device and require a full restore using iTunes.

If it doesn't work then I blame apple. Aren't they the ones who made fun of MS for taking so long developing Vista? Since it took so long I'm sure they had time to get itunes working correctly.

Its MS's fault. DO YOUR RESEARCH!

Vista compatibility has been an issue for all software manufacturers, not just Apple. Duh.

you really hate microsoft ha?

what are you some kind of people that applied to work at MS and got rejected??

or you are just mad because you dont own a company as big as microsoft??

Yeah, its a shame that most people here on BN just like to bash Apple in any Apple article.

Do your reseach!

Hey, nice to see you back on BN Dev3lop.

Just ignore the trolls...

Ignorance at its finest canv15, or cant you think for yourself? Guess not.

Go troll on some other forum...

As always...BN has tons of em.

Right, so Apple is the only software developer having problems with Vista? Microsoft has created problems with Apple Programs and other 3rd party software developers for years....intentionally. It would surprise me if this isn't something built into Vista.

I don't think so, you need to make sure when you have the most popular music player on the planel that your bloated software is compatible with the most popular o/s on the planet.

Apple is to blame for this one, unless MS intentionally made iTunes **** up with Vista. I wouldnt blame them if they did. The iPod is such a lemming product, why don't all of the iPod users go out and buy a Mac.

I've had Vista for about a month and there isnt one program that has had a problem so far. Buy a Sansa if you want a nice, small, inexpensive MP3/WMA, not AAC player. The iPod is a heavy, fragile, glorified music player.

Microsoft has created problems with Apple Programs and other 3rd party software developers for years....intentionally.

A shocking claim with nothing to back it up. Can't say I'm surprised. Still getting your "facts" from episodes of South Park?

"Microsoft has created problems with Apple Programs and other 3rd party software developers for years....intentionally. It would surprise me if this isn't something built into Vista."

Wow...you must be high on crack. Show me some evidence of your little accusation my friend. Please take off your tinfoil hat before you talk, otherwise everything just comes out of your ass...and then it tends to smell like bulls**t.

Software companies (including Apple) have had all the time in the world to make their programs compatible with Vista. Microsoft didn't just suddenly tell developers that they were releasing a new version of Windows the day after it was released to manufacturing. Do YOUR research.

'bout time someone pointed that out!

It's MS's fault?? Why is it a FAULT? Let me get this straight. If Apple released a new version of OS X and some programs didn't work with it would it be their FAULT? Or would it be that they introduced different ways for other pieces of software to function properly within their OS? I simply hate the fact that people blame MS for the way their software or OS's work. Simply put. You want your software to work on an OS (whether it be Windows, OS X, Linux, or whatever), you have to follow procedures to make sure that said software can work properly on the OS. Simple as that. So MS designed Vista to run software programs differently? BIG DEAL. You don't like it, leave it. Check the article on osnews.com. How many people actually leave? Damnit. MS does things their way just like other companies do. You don't like the way things work out? Write your own OS and push it to the major OEM's (good luck). And before anyone gets started I love all of these tech companies. MS, Apple, Creative, even the open source guys. Without any of them we wouldn't even be having this discussion or experiencing all of the great things that computers and technology brings us so GET OVER IT. Let's just all be glad that we can have more than one company for both hardware and software ideas and development.

Best of luck to every single tech company out there!

No he's telling the truth. After Bill Gates got a visit from Mr. Hankey the Christmas Poo (he had a lot of fiber in his diet) he decided to implement a feature into Windows that would create problems with any software created by Apple.

Apple doesn't really have an excuse, they should have had plenty of time to find any bugs.

I'm more concerned about freeware developers that might not have access to computer's with Vista. I've written a few programs and have had people complain about them not working in Vista. Not my fault, I don't plan on installing Vista anytime soon so there's really no way for me to troubleshoot any bugs that occur when my programs are run on Vista.

A free guide for every Microsoft fanboy (lots of them here):
http://microsuck.com/content/whatsbad.shtml
MANY facts there.

Open your eyes! (only if you don't work for them).

Yep. It's Microsoft's fault because Apple can't make a program work for there own MP3 player. Yep. I believe you. /Sarcasm

Do you have any facts for your theory?

Considering that Vista is a complete rewrite of Windows NT there are bound to be compatibility problems with some programs. Just like when Microsoft released Windows XP which was a complete rewrite of Windows 98. If a particular program won't run under a specific version of Windows then it's the developer's fault if they choose not to obtain a copy of the latest version of Windows to fix any compatibility problems that might happen.

Mhh, I believe that Apple is extremely lazy updating iTunes on purpose, but the eject problem must be (90%) a OS problem: Ops, windows forgot to announce that an apple device is going to be disconnected when you choose to do it from the OS, easy to implement for Microsoft. That left the itunesdb open and yes, there is a great chance that the DB get corrupted (is not hard to corrupt an itunesdb on any OS for the matter). Apple is to blame because of the database corruption and Micro$oft for the BSOD generated.
Microsoft, where is your "stable" system? Same kind of problems I had on windows 3.0? Come on!
As defense for Apple developing slowly, Microsoft did not update their Office suite for Apple intel plataform (they delayed for next year the launch), so they cannot really blame Apple for being slow. Office 2004 sucks all the way running native, so emulated is even worse.
Apple is showing arrogance, as usual. Microsoft is a pestilent corporation, as usual... Of course, we (end users) suffer this "war".

Scare tactics...Vista works great!

iTunes runs flawlessly on my Vista Home Premium install. But it is 32b and I don't have an iPod. I just use ut as a music manager and for the store.

I am using this plugin in Vista with WMP = http://www.mgtek.com/dopisp/

Works flawlessly, no iTunes nonesense for me.

Its not free and it doesn't do videos either. You can get free standalone programs that can do this as well.

This is odd. I tested the release candidate version for Microsoft. I'm still running it. And that runs iTunes and iPod fine!

I tried using iTunes 7.0.2 on Vista RC 2 and it completely corrupted my iPod to the point where it just said "Reload" on its screen. When I tried to do a full restore iTunes just gave me an error message stating it couldn't perform the full restore. I tried using the same version of iTunes on my other computer which had the final version of Vista Ultimate installed and iTunes (and the full restore) worked fine.