AACS LA Pulls the Trigger; Revocation System Under Way

By Scott M. Fulton, III, BetaNews

April 10, 2007, 7:41 PM

Last Friday, the Advanced Access Content System Licensing Administrator (AACS LA), which is responsible for providing the encrypted copy protection scheme for both HD DVD and Blu-ray high-definition disc players, exercised the option their system was designed to enable:

Through the distribution of new movie discs with embedded revoked keys, AACS LA will trigger a self-destruct system for PC-based high-def player software whose integrity from unauthorized copying is found to be compromised. And based on its last statement, the revocation could extend beyond Corel InterVideo, which warned its users last Friday.

Under the system which will get its first trials in the coming days, consumers will be prompted to upgrade their software in order to avoid the self-destruct sequence. The upgrade process will replace users' device-assigned decryption keys with new keys that would not be revoked, and whose identity has yet to be discovered.

But while multiple press sources over the past few days followed up on our story from last Friday by saying AACS LA announced it had fixed the problem, or patched the crack, that's not what the licensing authority actually announced. Rather, it said it had "taken action, in cooperation with relevant manufacturers, to expire the encryption keys associated with the specific implementations of AACS-enabled software."

What this means is that individuals -- including those who claim they're simply working to devise a way to back up their purchased discs, using a method that Congress could very well legalize this year -- may conceivably use exactly the same methods they used to detect the first set of critical AACS encryption keys, to detect the replacement set. Now that they know how, the detection process could actually be faster this time around.

As a result, the stage appears set for a kind of cryptographic volleyball between encoder developers and decoder programmers, with consumers finding themselves not feeling less like the passive observer and more like the ball.

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By CarLox

posted Apr 12, 2007 - 8:54 PM

ahh fuk those fuking fukers

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By Aires

posted Apr 12, 2007 - 12:25 PM

What complete and utter crap. Will it realy take another 15-20yrs to ditch DRM? Complete stupidity.

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By wicketr

edited Apr 12, 2007 - 10:27 AM

So do the pros of HD-DVD/BlueRay outweigh the benefits of standard DVD?

This article should sum it up, and the answer is hell no. You won't see me switching to this crippled format anytime in the next decade.

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By Reap_r

edited Apr 12, 2007 - 9:56 AM

So is this how it works?

I get to spend my hard earned money on an overpriced player and overpriced movies and now I become accountable for the security of the device.

If the player hardware or software is cracked and its keys revealed, I may or may not be able to get my player updated so that it will work after the content provider arbitrarily decides to "self-destruct" the key for my player.

So do they get to smack my kids around too if someone elses security gets cracked? Or maybe if too many keys get cracked they get to come to my house and take all my movies and steal my cat (ok, they can have the cat...never liked him anyway).

They should write a book. "How to Alienate Customers, and Generate Negative Publicity for Fun and Profit".

This is what happens when lawyers design technology. In next week's episode we will get to see what happens when lawyers design a marketing campaign.

When will these morons realize that the DRM is a collossal waste of time and money. All they have to do is make a delivery model that presents a compelling cost/value proposition to the consumer with unprotected content at reasonable prices. After all, would you rather spend days downloading a pirated HD movie or spend a reasonable amount of money for a high quality legitimate disk?

Any losses due to piracy (and there will be some regardless of DRM) will more than be made up for in increased sales and the savings associated with not having to spend years designing pre-teen proof encryption methods. Of course this means that the dreaded C word that stikes fear into the hollywood elite (change that is) is invoked.

What happens to the black market (pirates) when you flood the market with high quality and inexpensive product is the same thing that happens when you legalize drugs, you stop creating the artificial supply shortage (like in the case of drugs) and/or supply-side price premium (in the case of movies) that makes it so lucrative to engage in piracy (or drug dealing). The legitimate product is now the better value and the customers will soon drive the supply with their demand.

This stuff is economics 101...If these folks cannot figure out how to make money while at the same time giving their customers what they want, they have no business running a lemonade stand let alone multi-billion dollar companies.

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By tickleonthetum

posted Apr 12, 2007 - 9:00 AM

As soon as I showed this to my wife (non tech) she said "We're not getting one of those then". That'll be the attitude of a lot of people. She feels the companys are getting to much control of our private lives...

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By zaznet

posted Apr 12, 2007 - 2:58 AM

Next time they will just call it a "critical security update to protect users computers" and consumers will click install out of fear that the next HD-DVD they watch will hack their computer.

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By kashin

posted Apr 11, 2007 - 11:21 PM

Yeah, yeah, "AACS LA Pulls the Trigger", whatever. Who cares? The cat's out of the bag. Anything they do now is too little, too late. They're going to force everyone to upgrade? Okay, good luck with that.

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By Reap_r

posted Apr 12, 2007 - 9:58 AM

Tru
Cat is out of the Bag...

Now they are just going to hold on to the cats tail, and we all know what happens when you do that to a grouchy cat.

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By deminicus

posted Apr 11, 2007 - 7:56 PM

companies always forget that it's bad move to inconvenience the customer and also to blame the customer when their product doesn't sell

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By skimore

posted Apr 11, 2007 - 7:25 PM

it's like a tennis match.. the MPAA companies change the crypto and the customer (some of the time a 10 year old) breaks it again.

back and forth we go.. but one side is getting to spend money for very little in return..

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By phenomnaruto

posted Apr 11, 2007 - 7:17 PM

self destruct.... wow

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By midfingr

edited Apr 11, 2007 - 4:06 PM

What's next, 30 lashes? Why would anyone want to purchase HD-DVDs with this kind of totalitarianism? I know I won't. There's absolutely no return on investment for the consumer, it's a dead technology at this point. We've certainly forgotten the purpose of technology and that's not to serve the machine for it's needs.

I'm really angered from reading this article, not only have these clowns chocked progress, but have stomped on my rights as a consumer. With statements like 'self destruct' and 'revocation', this is clearly entering a new phase of a non-democratic society.

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By Program86

posted Apr 11, 2007 - 5:05 PM

Solely due to the AACS LA's "totalitarianism" we have been flooded with offers for many new "coders" to help on our "project"...

See what you've done AACS LA?

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By PC_Tool

posted Apr 12, 2007 - 9:15 AM

roflmao...

No-one's forcing anyone to buy this crap. It's not totalitarianism, it's free-market.

...and you're not fighting for freedom, you're enabling the entitled.

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By Aires

edited Apr 12, 2007 - 12:30 PM

When you have a company that's on the one hand a film studio, while at the same time being the company developing/manufacturing a vieiwng format/player for the studio's films, then it's not at all free-market. What a load of crap.

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By Reap_r

posted Apr 12, 2007 - 10:01 AM

Stop that...you keep making sense and I may find myself agreeing with you. I am just not sure what will happen if that occurs.

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By Program86

posted Apr 11, 2007 - 4:02 PM

We are already miles ahead of those AACS LA fools...

Join us. You know where to find us...

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By zaznet

posted Apr 12, 2007 - 2:53 AM

The consumer who paid for the movie is the one who will be locked down by these draconian methods.

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By imafurby

posted Apr 11, 2007 - 11:16 AM

Upgrade or self destruct? Talk about consumer friendly.

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By PC_Tool

posted Apr 11, 2007 - 11:53 AM

Revocation is eminent....

Resistance is futile...

You will upgrade or you will be terminated.

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By Mystiqq

posted Apr 11, 2007 - 9:10 PM

*LMAO*

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By Das mod

posted Apr 11, 2007 - 3:06 PM

lol, dude... you're such an msGeek ...

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By PC_Tool

edited Apr 11, 2007 - 4:08 PM

I don't know if I should feel insulted or proud... :p

(wondering how above joke makes me an "ms" anything...)

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By shicaca

posted Apr 11, 2007 - 7:24 PM

I wondered that myself.

You are, however, a star trek nerd. Welcome to the club :)

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By zaznet

posted Apr 11, 2007 - 7:26 AM

What this means is that all users are effected by new keys being required even if they are only watching and have no intention to attempt to make copies legal or otherwise. Saying "including those who *snip* back up their purchased discs" limits the scope to people who intend to make copies.

This effects anyone with a player that has had a key revoked. We have seen similar problems with Microsoft's media player DRM. All DRM systems need serious relaxing or they risk alienating many more consumers.

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By IceyKola

posted Apr 11, 2007 - 4:42 AM

I was this close to buying the Xbox360 HD-DVD drive, but after this BS I'm so not supporting the HD movie industry. Ef em. DVD still looks good enough for me. I may try out an up-converting player, but that's it. I'm gonna tell all my friends not to bother with that bluray or HD-DVD stuff because they can destroy players if they want. I know it's not that scary or true, but I'll lie to screw over the MPAA.

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By Hollywood__

edited Apr 11, 2007 - 1:32 AM

Kiss the next gen formats godbye. I hope they both fail.

You guys are right, once people hear the words "self destruct" and HD-DVD or Blu-Ray in the same breath, it's over. Even if they have no ideas what AACS means.

Here's a hint for all you guys with HD-DVD players: If you put a standard movie like Cars in your HD-DVD player, the best you will get is 480p. Take that same movie and make a copy of it with DVD Shrink or DVD2one (better) and pop it in. Now you can upscale it all the way up to 1080i and it does look a hell of a lot better.

Just make sure you don't go cheap and compress the hell out of it or you will see some serious artifacting squares, especially with anything red on the screen, namely Lightning McQueen. Spend the extra dough for the DL DVD-R's and make a bit for bit copy.

Now you can keep your legally bought copy scratch free and enjoy an upscaled version at 720p or 1080i.

I'm done with buying BD and HD-DVD movies.

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By elitegangsta

posted Apr 11, 2007 - 3:02 PM

How on earth do you figure you are getting 720P or 1080i out of a copied DVD? That is insane, a copied 480P DVD is still a 480P DVD, only not region coded, or copy protected... If you use an upconverter DVD player (or BR/HD player) it is upconverting 480p to 720 or 1080... same as it does with a non copied DVD. Where is this logic coming from?????

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By zaznet

posted Apr 12, 2007 - 7:54 AM

He is getting a reduced quality from the original DVD not a better quality from the copy. The unprotected copy is just not being penalized by copy protection on the hardware player. So he is seeing all 480 scan lines in the copy and fewer when using his analog output for the original copy protected disc.

Make sense now? He thinks the copy makes it "better" and it's really his DVD player making the original worse on purpose.

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By Hollywood__

edited Apr 11, 2007 - 4:21 PM

easy guy,

I'm talking about using the component video outputs (which I probably should have mentioned) and not the Nazi SS HDMI output. You cannot upscale from the component outputs until the protection is removed from the original movie.

If you havent seen a standard DVD upscaled to 720p or 1080i on a real screen (I'm talking about 110") and HD projector, then you will have no idea what I am talking about.

The Toshiba XA1/XA2 lets you change the output resolution on the fly and there is a huge difference in detail when you upscale standard DVD's to 720/1080. I dont know exactly why, and I don't give a s***. The difference is easily noticeable by anybody.

Why do people spend all the money on line doublers? For the same reason.

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By zaznet

posted Apr 12, 2007 - 7:56 AM

You are seeing more the downscale of the copy protection when using the analog outputs. Remove copy protection and it allows all 480 lines out. You are right, you are getting visibly better quality but you have the reason a little backwards. :)

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By kevinoliver99

posted Apr 11, 2007 - 1:15 AM

That is very interesting.I like it very much.where can i find it?
Flv to avi
http://www.avi-converter.net

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By morriscox

posted Apr 11, 2007 - 1:32 PM

Loser spammer.

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By WeezulDK

posted Apr 11, 2007 - 12:24 AM

I'd like to see a hardware player get hacked and revoked, and then see the public reaction outside the PC users community. People would lose their freaking minds...

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By zaznet

posted Apr 11, 2007 - 7:30 AM

Maybe, just maybe they thought about that already and included a way for hardware players to get a new license installed. I can see problems with that too as the same hardware is hacked over and over and ends up needing 20 different keys having CMOS space to store only 16 keys.

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By Altman

posted Apr 11, 2007 - 11:22 AM

They did think of that and the players have ethernet built in. But how many people are going to plug their HD-DVD/Blu-Ray player into an ethernet jack so it can update itself. I myself have wired my house with ethernet but I'd say that most people will not be doing that.

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By zaznet

posted Apr 12, 2007 - 7:43 AM

Most people don't know the difference between Ethernet and WiFi. They don't want to see a cord running across their floor to play a DVD movie that comes out of a box. It is hard to make that sales pitch in the current market.

Consumers are starting to jack in (with or without wires) as more products come out that use network connections. The PS3 and 360 are perfect examples here with both coming very Internet ready.

We will see a lot of next-day returns once they make the Internet connection mandatory just to power on a HD-DVD Player.

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By PC_Tool

posted Apr 11, 2007 - 11:52 AM

But how many people are going to plug their HD-DVD/Blu-Ray player into an ethernet jack so it can update itself.

...anyone who wants their $1000+ players to, uh...work? I'd bet that'd be about %99.998 of 'em, too.

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By Altman

posted Apr 11, 2007 - 5:53 PM

They are not $1000 anymore (some are under $500 now) and the price keeps coming down. Eventually they'll cost like a normal DVD player. How many people do you know with DVD players that have strung network cable to their TV?

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By PC_Tool

posted Apr 12, 2007 - 9:13 AM

lmao...

If it's requirement to operate the device? My guess above should still fit just fine.

Who's fault is it if they buy a device that requires a network connection when they don't have one?

Why is it always "someone else's fault"? Can't they take responsibility for their own purchasing decisions?

....of course not...this is America.

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By Altman

posted Apr 12, 2007 - 9:41 AM

All I am saying is that I don't see how something that requires you to plug into an ethernet connection will ever be used by the aging public. I've seen an old person return a DVD because they said it kept repeating the same thing over and over again (The menu screen, they obviously didn't hit play). Imagine if they had an HD-DVD player with a revoked key. They'd be returning that HD-DVD player on the spot. When a user buys a computer, the computer doesn't require internet connection to work. Why should a DVD player require internet connection in order to work?

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By crashoverride

posted Apr 11, 2007 - 2:22 PM

i guess that 0.002% are those poor schmucks that still only have dialup available to them.

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By Alex Stevens

posted Apr 10, 2007 - 10:31 PM

Ha! So long HD-DVD and Blu-Ray, or should I say Divx 2.0? Consumers don't like being f***ed with. As soon as word of this "self destruct sequence" gets out (brilliant name for it too, people will love the sound of that) all these new players are doomed in the market. Which is good, it's time people told the RIAA/MPAA to take their DRM and thoroughly shove it.

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By teohhanhui

posted Apr 10, 2007 - 9:46 PM

And your precious collection of movies will become unplayable?

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By crashoverride

posted Apr 10, 2007 - 9:42 PM

and so the endless cycle of key revocations ensues.

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By Mystiqq

posted Apr 10, 2007 - 9:15 PM

"self-destruct sequence"

*LMAO*

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By Tenoq

posted Apr 10, 2007 - 9:34 PM

I liked that too.

"Your mission, if you choose to accept it...

...this high-def player will self-destruct in 5 seconds."

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By drumcat

posted Apr 10, 2007 - 9:01 PM

Is there any wonder why HD & BR are non-starters? Especially when you compare it to HDTV, these things should be the best thing going. But they aren't.

This kind of funny business would scare even the most legitimate, money paying customer away.

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By Mystiqq

posted Apr 10, 2007 - 9:46 PM

I think the cost of getting a HD picture is scary enough. Getting proper setup with some form of HD capability, let alone full HD, takes a decent amount of money to begin with. HD format will take a long time, a lot longer than it took for DVD, to get on its "foot".

... and it wont be "3 years", not even close.

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By rla0001

posted Apr 10, 2007 - 8:44 PM

The fix is sooooo simple. Don't reward any company by buying product that circumvent fair use. Seems like 100 million consumers ought to be able to get a handle on this pretty fast.

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By RedBoar

posted Apr 10, 2007 - 8:18 PM

Could someone please translate this into English for me?

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By Tenoq

posted Apr 10, 2007 - 9:33 PM

Simple: new high-definition discs will have coding aboard them to 'upgrade' (or destroy) any media players that have compromised the security of the AACS copy protection. When you pop one of these new discs into your HD-DVD drive on your PC, it will then try to update your Intervideo player software - or destroy it. The new update will supposedly 'reset' the copy protection system so crackers have to start again. But now they know how to do it, it probably won't take very long.

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By Silentmaster101

posted Apr 12, 2007 - 8:15 AM

hmm sounds like something i heard before, something sony..... something about copy protection.... something about rootkits and infringing upon fair use rights....

oh yeah thats where i heard it.

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By RedBoar

posted Apr 11, 2007 - 2:25 PM

OK that's better, but does this industry not realize most users don't know what "Windows Explorer" is (I know since I do tech support) and wouldn't have a friggin clue how to do any of this pirating?!?

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By crashoverride

posted Apr 11, 2007 - 2:41 PM

The realize it but they just don't care. They punish everyone for the sins of the minority. Anyone that thinks these corporations care about their customers is delusional at best. We are nothing more than statistics to them, a number on a sheet of paper. Heck they don't even care about your money unless you have enough.

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By RedBoar

posted Apr 11, 2007 - 2:44 PM

Damn straight. This is why most of the studios embraced Blu-ray, because Sony marketed to them first as "hacker-proof" without regard to its cost.

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By dgootman

posted Apr 11, 2007 - 9:30 AM

Can someone please explain how you can make software self-destruct, unless that software has a self-destruct mechanism built-in?

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By morriscox

posted Apr 11, 2007 - 6:19 PM

You can deltree it or run its uninstall routine. Think of it as like a virus meant to destroy a certain piece of software.

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By PC_Tool

posted Apr 11, 2007 - 9:44 AM

unless that software has a self-destruct mechanism built-in

Bingo.

Part of the requirement for any software to playback protected content on these systems is that they implement the self-destruct code.

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By Alex Stevens

edited Apr 10, 2007 - 10:36 PM

Can they even do that, I mean legally destroy a piece of hardware you paid for? I imagine the destruction isn't permanent and you could pay them a ransom, er I mean fee to unlock it again. Still I can't see this going over well at all. Consider both new formats DOA. People don't like DRM and adding sneaky self destruct tactics into the mix is just going too far. The most hilarious part of all is that none of this crap is going to stop the actual pirates at all.

Apple and Microsoft are getting rid of DRM in their music sales. It's time for the movie industry to wake up and do the same thing.

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By PC_Tool

posted Apr 11, 2007 - 9:45 AM

Can they even do that, I mean legally destroy a piece of hardware you paid for?

FTFA:

AACS LA will trigger a self-destruct system for PC-based high-def player software

Helps when ya read the article. :p

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By Avion Airplane

posted Apr 11, 2007 - 8:11 PM

Well isnt that called a virus or trojen?

{-Under the system which will get its first trials in the coming days, consumers will be prompted to upgrade their software in order to avoid the self-destruct sequence -)

I got a trojen one time that redirected me to a web page that wanted me to buy software to remove it.
btw avast fixed it no prob.

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By ogman

posted Apr 11, 2007 - 8:12 AM

Microsoft? Since when? Do tell!

Sounds like they are talking about it, but not doing much.

http://www.engadget.com/...ne-the-next-to-drop-drm/

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By lvthunder

posted Apr 11, 2007 - 12:09 AM

I think they are just revoking keys for PC software based players not anyones hardware.

I also agree with you about getting rid of DRM.

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