After backlash, Sony to drop $50 fee for not installing bloatware

By Nate Mook, BetaNews

March 21, 2008, 3:40 PM

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3:40 pm ET March 21, 2008 - In response to consumer feedback on the issue, Sony will drop the $50 added fee for "Fresh Start" beginning tomorrow.

"Starting March 22, Sony will offer Fresh Start free of charge. We want VAIO users to have the best experience possible with our PCs, and we believe Fresh Start will help ensure that happens right out-of-the-box," the company said in a statement to BetaNews.

Sony did not say whether or not customers would still need to select the $100 upgrade to Windows Vista Business, but we have asked for clarification on this point.


12:00 pm ET March 21, 2008 - In a strange twist, Sony is asking customers to pay a fee not to have their build-to-order laptops filled with the software that typically comes with new computers, frequently called bloatware.

For $50, Sony is offering not to include the standard Vaio applications, trial software and games that it normally pre-installs onto its systems. This software usually has the effect of slowing a computer down, and has even led to reports of out-of-the-box crashes for Sony's Vaio laptops.

The option, called "Fresh Start," is available on Sony's Vaio TZ2000 and Vaio TZ2500 laptops, but only appears if a customer also pays $100 to upgrade the operating system to Windows Vista Business from Vista Home Premium. Ostensibly, Sony believes only business users won't want the bloatware and will be willing pay to extra to have a clean system.

Bloatware has long been a complaint of computer buyers, who find their system trays filled with icons and desktops packed with trial software shortcuts. Formatting and re-installing Windows is often a necessity for those experienced in such tasks, but novice users are left with slow machines that are prone to crash.

Computer makers are starting to listen to these complaints, but there's a lot of incentive in shipping systems with trialware, as software vendors usually give OEMs a cut of sales. Services like AOL used to pay big bucks for primary placement on the desktop and system tray icon. Now, companies like Corel, Microsoft, InterVideo, Intuit and others vie for the crucial real estate.

Dell's Vostro lineup of small business-oriented systems was introduced last July without any trial software. But most consumer-oriented models do not have that option, with Everex's $300 desktop being one of the few exceptions.

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By toasale

posted Mar 24, 2008 - 12:36 PM

If I'd only known when I sold maintenance chemicals that I could "force" the buyer into purchasing from me AND make them pay me twice the delivery charge, I would've done it! On 2nd. thought, I'd only have asked for 1 1/2 times the delivery chage - I'm too nice.

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By bourgeoisdude

posted Mar 24, 2008 - 12:08 PM

There is an obvious reason for crapware ladies and gentlemen:

Money.

There are obviously money incentives from the crapware manufacturers that makes PC manufacturers want to include the software on new PCs. This is also why Sony charged this fee.

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By netjustin

posted Mar 25, 2008 - 1:17 PM

"This is also why Sony charged this fee."

They charged the fee because they thought it was a better value for the consumer than paying a technician to sit through the O.S. installation and the countless reboots of that driver installation process.

I can't believe for a second that anybody opted for the paid version of that over buying a Dell which you can request not to include bloatware, and which they gladly oblige free.

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By horizon53

edited Mar 21, 2008 - 1:39 PM

This sounds like Blackmail.

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By Loper

edited Mar 21, 2008 - 8:33 PM

Thank $DEITY for PC-Decrapifier!

About a year ago, I set up a Gateway laptop for a friend. When it came time to install McAfee, I declined the EULA -- imagine my surprise when it installed anyway!

Legally, I then could have done ANYTHING I wanted with that software -- but I merely uninstalled it in favor of AVG...

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By 047248750

posted Mar 22, 2008 - 10:02 PM

Crapware is a disease.
The PC Decrapifier is the cure.
http://pcdecrapifier.com/

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By Hollywood__

edited Mar 22, 2008 - 6:30 PM

My new mission is to plug in a USB device into every Sony notbeook and desktop on display at every store I go into with the 5V + and - pins shorted.

This will blow the soldered-on internal fuse on the motherboard and cause havoc with Vista. Plus they will all have to be repaired one by one if they want to sell them as display models.

I was also thinking of putting one of thier famous CD's that has a rootkit installed in every computer but that takes too long. I'd rather just destroy them.

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By PC_Tool

posted Mar 24, 2008 - 6:34 PM

Wow.

That's just sad.

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By bourgeoisdude

posted Mar 24, 2008 - 12:10 PM

This will blow the soldered-on internal fuse on the motherboard and cause havoc with Vista.

So you're implying that Windows XP wouldn't have problems with the blown-out "fuse"?

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By Hollywood__

posted Mar 22, 2008 - 6:25 PM

Sony is a bigger flip flopper than John Kerry.

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By yountmj

posted Mar 22, 2008 - 11:51 AM

If only the same level of consumer backlash was responded to in the same manner regarding the price of Blu-ray.

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By robmanic44

posted Mar 22, 2008 - 8:47 AM

This problem is not isolated to Sony. It's almost epidemic. It's another argument for building your own systems.

The other problem is that much of this software is also spyware, so you are dealing with multple issues.

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By pforbes

edited Mar 22, 2008 - 4:28 PM

I agree. About 85% of our hardware comes from different asian countries without quality control grants. By allowing the sale of preloaded machines the road is open to the use of doubtful legality means to ensure that people with little computer literacy buy a new computer every three years by desperation and not for pleasure. IMO the source of the XP virus invasions is also there.

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By prndll

posted Mar 22, 2008 - 9:50 AM

I agree

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By pforbes

edited Mar 22, 2008 - 4:15 PM

IMHO when you buy a computer you should have granted by law the right to decide if you buy it with or without any bloatware, with or without any apps at all and even with or without any preloaded OS. As everybody knows, OS and apps are two totally different things, even when apps are always OS dependent. Any apps should be provided apart, even if they are excellent and given to the buyer for free, because each of us has different needs. IMO I'd rather buy a 100% clean OS (be it MS XP, Vista or Linux) and decide by myself what to install or not. The dealer may give me as many free install programs and ad brochures as he wants and allow me decide by my own.

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By dhjdhj

posted Mar 23, 2008 - 6:28 AM

There you go ---- let the government take care of you, they know what's best for everyone, don't they!

--->IMHO when you buy a computer you should have granted by law the right

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By pforbes

edited Mar 23, 2008 - 11:24 AM

I agree with you: nobody knows better than you your own needs, and a country is not a nursery. What I try to explain, maybe not so well as I would like it to be explained, is that your freedom to choose ends when other people do not respect that freedom and there's not any legal protection against it. In this case your right to choose as a citizen is not granted because the hardware you buy, 85% of it made in asian countries without any quality control and not subjet to american laws, is provided to you only in the preloaded way and not respecting your right to choose. Well, I may be wrong and that's only my opinion. Of course I respect yours.

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By dgootman

posted Mar 22, 2008 - 4:57 PM

Assuming the dealers have an incentive to dump bloatware on their PCs, would you be willing to pay extra for them to NOT include it? They're not trying to do you a favour by putting crap on your laptop, they're (probably) trying to reduce its price by including it.

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By pforbes

edited Mar 24, 2008 - 12:11 PM

Of course they have an incentive, they would not do it without that. But only they know what is done in the machine before shipping it. The only thing I'm sure is that they are not trying to do me any favour. I suspect that they are intentionally trying to sell to me "a dying horse", so that I have future problems with my computer, increasing this way their hardware sales without any merchandising costs at all. In this point, I think you always pay, one way or another. The only difference is that until now you never know the price you are paying, and maybe Sony is the only honest one that is telling you the truth.

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By prndll

posted Mar 22, 2008 - 9:50 AM

I agree

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By Lawrence01

posted Mar 21, 2008 - 9:21 PM

This is typically how Sony does business. I quit buying sony products a few years ago after seeing their way they do business. No cameras, stereo equipment, consoles, tv's, computers with the sony name will be bought by me.

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By pitdingo2

posted Mar 21, 2008 - 8:38 PM

One of the reasons i always build my own machines. No crapware.

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By templarâ„¢

edited Mar 22, 2008 - 1:22 AM

I thought you used Mac?

But yeah, building own machine is a very good idea for people who are more adventurous. Crapware free.

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By pitdingo2

posted Mar 22, 2008 - 6:24 AM

i do use a Mac, a last gen MacBook Pro which i got for my wife. Love it. I also dual boot a box Ubuntu for real work, and Windows XP for playing games.

I dread having to load any M$ product, but since they have a monopoly on home computers, game companies only target them. Look what M$ did to marginalize OpenGL and get people to use their crap DirectX API.

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By PC_Tool

edited Mar 24, 2008 - 9:55 AM

lmao

Cuz OpenGL is *so* much better than DirectX, right?

*yawn*

OpenGL still works in Windows, bud. anyone can load/use it.

They don't for a reason. (Ya know, just like they don't buy the Zune, right?)

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By cap737

posted Mar 24, 2008 - 1:28 AM

That's the only reason why I built my XP machine, as well. I can do everything else on my PB G4 and my iMac G5, but when I want to get down with some Half Life I go to the XP machine.

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By siryak

posted Mar 24, 2008 - 12:08 AM

Oh look never ending pit of crap is posting MS hate and using M$ instead of MS. Quick everyone put on your surprised face! I haft to ask. Do you honestly believe that your endless mindless babbling on serves any purpose other than wasting bandwidth and taking up space on the page?

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By jspratjr

posted Mar 23, 2008 - 5:21 PM

"I dread having to load any M$ product"

grow up...

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By yountmj

posted Mar 22, 2008 - 11:48 AM

Even though I will always have a soft spot in my heart for OpenGL, Direct3D offers far more advanced capabilities. OpenGL hasn't been advancing at anywhere near the same rate as Direct3D for years.

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By bourgeoisdude

posted Mar 21, 2008 - 11:33 PM

Build your own laptops, do you?

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By pitdingo2

posted Mar 23, 2008 - 7:50 PM

nope. That is why i bought a MacBook Pro rather than some crap Vista laptop from one of the clone makers.

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By Paul Skinner

posted Mar 21, 2008 - 8:04 PM

Haha. At least they dropped it, I suppose.

Expect to see a $50 price hike of the line now though.

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By cm

posted Mar 21, 2008 - 6:29 PM

Sony, Sony, Sony. Will you EVER learn?

The fact that you 'tried' to charge for this reinforces my anti-Sony attitude for at least another year. I was just getting over the Sony CD rootkit 'DRM' debacle.

Does ANYONE at Sony realize that these kinds of actions are turning customers off and leading to less sales for the company as a whole?

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By prndll

posted Mar 22, 2008 - 9:58 AM

Alot of companies operate this way....and everyone wonders about the economy (and worries about a possible depression). Well, there are reasons why things are what they are. People wonder about why tech sales are seen as low as consumers have to fight off this kind of attitude from companies like this. There is just soooo much of this kind of b.s. from soooo many places and it is showing up in the numbers. It's more that the professionals that get paid to run the numbers are not seeing what they think they are seeing.

The rootkit thing was what started me on the anti-sony line. I've been seeing nothing short of b.s. ever since.

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By stp33

posted Mar 23, 2008 - 1:03 AM

Actually, there are many who don't. If you go to pricewatch and look at the desktop systems, practically all vendors who offer web-based configuration offer "no o/s" as an option, and even with o/s, they don't install the crap. Just don't buy big brands.

Not buying from big brands historically had yet another advantage: the bigger the brand is, the higher probability of deviation from the standards, hence incompatibility.

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By susceptor

edited Mar 21, 2008 - 6:25 PM

guy a mac

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By swattz101

edited Mar 21, 2008 - 7:30 PM

guy a mac??? I don't understand. Are you saying macs are only for guys? Or macs male? (Like when my car acts up, SHE is tempermental).

Oh, I know, you probably misspelled it. Yeah, and got the grammer wrong. I bet the u is supposed to be an a and the word as after it. You know, that kind of language shouldn't be tollerated with all the PC crap these days. :-)

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By Revelation 23

edited Mar 21, 2008 - 5:33 PM

The worst part is when companies don't even tell you what's installed or that some of it's not the full version. A friend bought a laptop a few years ago and the box said that it came with Office 2003.

But as we found out, it was a time limited trial, as was Norton Antivirus (or whatever suite it was that was installed). The extra stuff should be optional, not installed by default. And we shouldn't have to pay [a penalty] for not having it installed on our computers.

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By ingram091

edited Mar 23, 2008 - 6:11 AM

Yea and whats worse is some vendors make it very hard to uninstall some of these yourself to use an older version you may own.

Prime example Office 2003 , Try installing a different office suite with that trial in there. If they are like a good 80% of end users and do not know what they are doing REALLY they just can't do it. Forcing them into buying another Office that may or may not be compatible with what their site uses. Now I agree a good IT department should know how to be rid of it using uninstall. But certainly not a home user trying to install their own software they purchased for the first time. And yes to save money I know many people that would go with Office XP pro or open office instead of 2007 or 2003. And may more that would Not want 2007 just because they don't like the new ribbon at all.

Another such example the trial for Norton. OUCH to be rid of that entirely at times so you can install something else. well until recently when consumers DEMANDED a FULL uninstaller and registry cleaner of all things symantec. That nifty tool also appeared thankfully in betanews downloads area.

IDK OEM stuff. I just dump on site. I setup the machine then spend a good 30 mins at least uninstalling all the crapware no one really wants... And many questionable things that leave security holes by just being there... Like some of the flash games, and Gametap subscription systems. Or even some of the things that have questionable redirect policies like Googles little IE shell that redirects for mistyped entries to their adware sites.

IDK. I look at the crap ware as a Cost of doing business with an OEM to save the time of building and testing a machine on your own. In a pinch they are fine, as long as you know how to be rid of what you do not want ASAP.

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By ir0nw0lf

posted Mar 21, 2008 - 4:35 PM

ROFL, that sure didn't take long for them to realize it was a stupid idea.

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By spiked

posted Mar 21, 2008 - 3:54 PM

Remember that the DOJ sued Microsoft specifically to ensure that OEMs would be able to load as much of this crap as they wanted. Back then, OEMs pretended that they wanted to do this for the sake of consumers. It has finally become obvious to everyone that the OEMs only wanted to pad their wallets with ISV/ISP subsidies.

Always be careful what you wish for; you might just get it. Someday, we might have to pay extra to get a computer without Opera and Google Desktop.

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By ContendeR

edited Mar 21, 2008 - 3:33 PM

Why is it ok for companies to force their "bloatware" on us when we buy a product of theirs but it's not ok for mircosoft to force us into using their "bloatware" when buying their products?

Didn't M$ get sued for doing pretty much the same thing as what Sony is doing along with many others?

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By Hollywood__

edited Mar 21, 2008 - 3:34 PM

I agree with picsoetje completely, I will have no part of Blu Ray or anything that puts money into these people pockets. I haven't bought a single HD movie since Warner went BD.

I also make it a point to copy every Warner and Sony BMG movie I rent from Netflix so I can let everyone borrow them and copy the copy.

Now I have a new mission for these ****s, I just downloaded Azureus and I have hundreds of the most popular Sony BMG albums in the queue, which I will share with everybody and anybody who wants them.

This is another reason why I haven't purchased a single game for my PS3 since I got it back in Nov 2006. I would rather see MS get my money or simply light it on fire as opposed to giving it to Sony for any reason.

I just picked up a new digital camera, the guy at Sears was trying to push a Cybershot, I spent more money on a Canon just to spite him. I think he was related to DaveBG.

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By gregmlr

posted Mar 21, 2008 - 11:39 PM

I do the same thing you do because I figure the $400 million paid to Warner by Sony will make up for anything I pirate. I've also been pirating music from Sony BMG for about a year and refuse to buy any CDs from BMG since they partnered with Sony.

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By Adrian79

posted Mar 21, 2008 - 5:25 PM

your now an offical "hater". lol thats fine, but come on bro ps3 games like warhawk are a must have! and bluray movies look so amazig on your ps3..i cant go back to reg dvds now :(

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By Hellcat_M

posted Mar 21, 2008 - 2:53 PM

Thats typical of Sony, we won't F up you're laptop if you pay us. Its extortion and BS. Until Sony dumps their CEO I won't buy another Sony product (haven't in 10+ years anyway, other companies make better products).

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By siryak

posted Mar 21, 2008 - 2:10 PM

Do people actually buy Sony's overpriced computers? This would be news to me.

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By SGD

edited Mar 21, 2008 - 7:58 PM

Most tech calls I get are Sonys so that should tell ya something. Screens look nice but the rest is garbage.

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By xyzcb1

posted Mar 21, 2008 - 2:24 PM

Sony actually make pretty nice laptop. I like the 11" a lot. However, the price is nicer.

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By tewa

posted Mar 21, 2008 - 1:58 PM

the retailers have been doing this since day 1, if you ask for a clean version, then they send you to geek or fire squid and pay $$ for the time you spent with them.

also same as comcast, they push you all the crap you don't want, and charge you $$ to "demote" the service.

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By bousozoku

posted Mar 21, 2008 - 1:51 PM

It's likely that Sony are being paid to include the trialware, so they want full compensation for not doing it.

Seeing this elsewhere, I'm under the impression that they still won't remove it all, but only some of it.

They would have been smarter to just sell a business model without the trialware and raise the price by $50. Then, no one really would have cared.

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By marrix

posted Mar 22, 2008 - 7:24 AM

Yep, quite right Bousozoku.
It's called exchange commission.

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By auiotour

posted Mar 21, 2008 - 2:06 PM

Companies are paid money to provide their computers for cheaper. For the average user who knows how to format and reinstall it's a nice knock off the price for 30-45 minutes to reinstall the OS with what you want on it. I haven't bought a prebuilt computer in ages but when I bought my first comp in 95 I reformatted it before really know anything about computers. To much crap is installed on um at shipping.

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By Mark56

edited Mar 21, 2008 - 5:54 PM

A number of years ago,I've reinstalled the operating on a new computer also. The problem now is that a lot of computers do not come with the actual operating system disks. They come with a set of restore disks that will put all the garbage programs back on. I know E-Machines does this. What is even worse is that if you replace the motherboard the restore disks will not work. The operating system is licensed to the hardware. You will need to buy a new operating system.

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By marrix

posted Mar 22, 2008 - 7:35 AM

Mark56,
What I do is (I use notebooks exclusively), is get rid of the junk, trialware & associated garbage. Setup rig exactly the way I want for basic install, then image. My preferred favourite at the moment is a V-com app. However, I also have a couple of Dell XPS machines M1330 & M1730, and they come with a full compliment of reinstall disks (an aside to this both the Vista Business & Ultimate are interchangeable between each machine, of course the driver disks are not compatible with each).
Another alternative of course is to use those wonderful apps by "nliteos".

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By sjc001

posted Mar 21, 2008 - 1:50 PM

Format C: Install Ubuntu Linux. Problem solved.

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By PC_Tool

posted Mar 24, 2008 - 9:52 AM

Format C: Install Ubuntu Linux

Yeah, typed that in. Command not recognized.

Sorry.

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By xyzcb1

posted Mar 21, 2008 - 2:26 PM

Format C: Install Ubuntu Linux

Then call computer manufacturer why don't have a point and click screen. Why sound doesn't work along with everything that does not work.

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By fewt

posted Mar 21, 2008 - 4:39 PM

Wow, that has to be a shot at humor because you can't be that dumb.

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By Adrian79

posted Mar 21, 2008 - 1:58 PM

yes, Format C: Install (OS of choice). Problem solved.

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By treworld

posted Mar 21, 2008 - 2:37 PM

New Problem: Choice of OS = limited for PC; cannot install OSX.

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By nvic

posted Mar 22, 2008 - 1:55 PM

You can install OSX on a PC...Not easy but can be done.

Search for "OSx86" on google, and you'll see.

If you are building your PC, there are some hardware requirements (there is only a few mobos that fully work with it).

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By Niro

edited Mar 21, 2008 - 5:25 PM

New Problem: Choice of OS = hundreds of flavors of linux or windows...only OS not available is OSX (thanks to apple).

There I just fixed that for you.

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By Adrian79

posted Mar 21, 2008 - 5:22 PM

argggg i know that sucks!

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By Adrian79

posted Mar 21, 2008 - 1:37 PM

I love the sony ps3, but I build my computers for this same exact reason!! it cost less to buy parts and build yourself w/ NOOOO crapware :-) ahhhh btw, my first pc was built with no knowledge a simple google search "how to build a pc" + manuals that come with your parts.. done!! OEM OS will save you money also vs retail

enjoy

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By Hellcat_M

posted Mar 21, 2008 - 3:00 PM

I usually built my own PC's but the last one I had PC club build. They didn't put crapware on it and it didn't cost much more and I got a 3 year warentee. Plus no hassles of having to test and fix possible problems.

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By Adrian79

posted Mar 21, 2008 - 5:21 PM

pc club? thanks for the tip i'm getting ready to build again this time w/ pci-e..

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By picsoetje

posted Mar 21, 2008 - 1:31 PM

Sony did it once with their famous rootkit.
Never ever a second time :

I have abandoned Sony completely from everything I am doing with computers
I have NO faith at all anymore in this company !
And that is what I am telling my users :
- If I see Sony software on their computers, then I keep my hands of of it

I do not want to be involved with SONY SOFTWARE anymore.

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By picsoetje

posted Mar 21, 2008 - 1:28 PM

Sony did it once with the rootkit.
Never ever a second time :

I have abandoned Sony completely from everything I am doing with computers
I have NO faith at all anymore in this company !

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By FubarJeb

posted Mar 21, 2008 - 1:33 PM

Your right, but you have to admit, there Home Entertainment products (TV's, Audio Systems) are still pretty good. If they start building DRM into those products, then I'm done with them too.

It is kinda BS though that you have to pay extra to get a laptop that is not filled with bloatware.

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By Niro

posted Mar 21, 2008 - 5:28 PM

Sony audio includes some of the most under performing products in their price range...you can do MUCH better then sony audio products, and usualy for cheaper.

Some of their TV's are actually pretty nice, but they are still over priced when compared to similarly performing products.

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By Hellcat_M

posted Mar 21, 2008 - 3:03 PM

Their TV's may be decent but you can buy a better one from Sharp, Panasonic, Philips, Samsung, LG, for the same price or cheaper. For their audio, same thing, other companies have better products for the same or less money.

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By ZXTT95

edited Mar 21, 2008 - 1:59 PM

Bummer, then I guess you're done. Anything with an HDMI port has HDCP, and thus has DRM built-in...

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By mjm01010101

posted Mar 23, 2008 - 10:46 PM

Go with Displayport then.

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By LRN

posted Mar 21, 2008 - 1:21 PM

This is an example of ANTI-FEATURE.
It is EASIER for Sony to ship computers without ANY software (except bios). It's their natural state after manufacturing and assembly. Instead, they make an EFFORT to install a LOT of software, and present this as a normal state of the computer (which is not). And then they offer a "feature" to remove everyhing.
I hate anti-features :(

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By kbsoftware

posted Mar 21, 2008 - 1:11 PM

I don't buy computers from companies that install bloatware etc. period, Sony is no exception. But this story did give me something to laugh at. Funny and sad all at the same time.

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By vtsai21

posted Mar 21, 2008 - 1:08 PM

Sony can pay me $5 for not writing this one

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By Faustus

posted Mar 21, 2008 - 1:05 PM

Do norton and mcafee count as the bloatware in question?

they should.

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By Hellcat_M

posted Mar 21, 2008 - 3:06 PM

hahahha, I agree it should. Every time someone I know buys a new computer with Norton or Mcafee on it I always uninstall it and put Avast or AVG on it. lol

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By yountmj

posted Mar 22, 2008 - 11:54 AM

Same here!

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By Adrian79

posted Mar 21, 2008 - 1:35 PM

lmao.. right on

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By RWW

posted Mar 21, 2008 - 1:04 PM

I understand why they made this move but knowledgeable users will think it sounds dirty and unethical while most consumers will just take it with all the junk preloaded. Keeps people such as me busy cleaning up their machines.

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By romghost

posted Mar 21, 2008 - 1:02 PM

Sony - Like No Other!

RIP Sony.

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By davidlerner

posted Mar 21, 2008 - 12:51 PM

If you are a business user then your companys IT will uselessly give your computer a clean sweep, so I don't see the point in this other than turning costumers away.

www.talkprice.net

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By Jazzaccord

edited Mar 21, 2008 - 12:31 PM

If you were offered a $50 discount to have bloatware installed, would that be more palatable?

The bottom line is bloatware reduces the cost for the OEM. Someone has to pay.

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By mjm01010101

edited Mar 21, 2008 - 12:51 PM

Nah, I'll go with a competitor. This would be like car manufacturers giving you options whether or not you wanted them, and you having to pay to take them off. No thanks, I'll just find another manufacturer and talk with my money.

Sony is already on my blacklist of companies I will never spend money on, so this news just has me chuckling that I made the right decision to never buy another product from them 5 years back.

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By kholdstare

posted Mar 21, 2008 - 12:26 PM

"Sony believes only business users won't want the bloatware and will be willing pay to extra to have a clean system"

Sony must be braindead or somthing if they beleve the general public doesn't want this crap on there computers too

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By Paul Skinner

edited Mar 21, 2008 - 12:43 PM

"and will be willing pay to extra to have a clean system"

You ignored that part.

No one is going to want to pay $50 to have Sony not install it.

If, as the person said above, they had gone about it the other way:

a $50 discount to have it with crapware people would be more likely to accept the crapware as they'd think it's cheaper and they can remove it themselves anyway.

All they have to do then is hike the prices up $50 and bingo, you have the same profit, but with more people paying it.

Sony would have made more money doing it that way, without a doubt.

It's crap marketing more than anything.

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By Galway

posted Mar 22, 2008 - 12:01 PM

Its the sony way ... Its their whole attitude.

Bad marketing in this instance is just a slap in the face.

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By Jazzaccord

posted Mar 21, 2008 - 1:46 PM

Exactly - Maybe Sony needs better marketing people?

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By gregmlr

posted Mar 21, 2008 - 12:35 PM

Sony IS braindead.

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