It's so funny how Mac fans came their OS is so perfect, then why you need bootcamp to boot into Windows.

Hey,

I second that. OS X is great! I don't miss Windows & would not want to install the buggy OS anyways. Windows is like beta software with the word beta removed...

...and recent experience hasn't proven Leopard to be very buggy?

most of them don't realize it's just Apple's way of still making money out of them while getting out of the OS market. But hey, if it sells to them, I'd milk the sheep for all they are worth too.
First it's PC hardware that was supposedly vastly inferior, then it's dedicated Windows emulation...in another 5 years it will just be Vista with an OSx extension, and then a skin/theme, and then just wallpaper. ;)

First, the Mac is simply a PC.

Albeit one with the latest Intel developed 64 bit EFI BIOS developed for the Itanium. Oh.

You know, the latest BIOS from Intel that Microsoft dumped support for in Vista. Confusing isn't it?

My but how the 'PC folks' are oblivious to their own hallowed platform.

On the other hand, Apple didn't feel it necessary to support users still using systems equivalent to Windows 3.1, 95 and ME as Microsoft and the rest of the PC market does.

Bootcamp simply provides a 32 bit proprietary Bios (such as that from Phoenix) that the MS products require! Oh!

But then, what is the advantage of not upgrading a Mac for the additional functionality Leopard provides? So you can continue supporting an old standalone fix that is incorporated in the new release?

So whine on...Spoken just like the same MS junkies who are still using and demanding support for Windows 3.1, 95 and ME!!!! Yup, Windows rules...gag...

The availability of an old proprietary BIOS simply allows a greater choice...kinda like simulation for the old Commodore does for you advanced Windows folks.

Making more money....

Yup, like the hardware requirements of Vista (can we say "Purty") didn't do only that for the Microsoft camp?

At least with Apple you actually get enhanced functionality. http://www.computerworld...c&articleId=9043898

But then UNIX always has confused the Windows camp...

i'm glad what works for you works for you.
Vista works for me and provides me with enhanced functionality.
Yes, we all know to some people, whatever MS does, isn't good. Last time I checked, I wasn't using DOS. I like things to look nice. Yes if MS does it and everyone buys new hardware it's not good, but anyone else does it's fine right?
5, 10, 100, 500 things new from MS in Vista is bad...boo boo
5, 10, 100, 500 things in everything else is good.

the above is sarcasm for those who didn't catch on.

I love MS, Windows, Vista...yes you can choose...and yes you can be happy.

So you can EXTEND the reach of the Mac to others. For example, I'm mostly a Mac user but there are a couple of programs available on Windows that I need and for which there are no equivalents on OS X (yet) so having easy access is great. Having said that, I've never used Bootcamp, I just use Parallels for such emergencies.

--->It's so funny how Mac fans came their OS is so perfect, then why you need bootcamp to boot into Windows.

Yeah, very disappointing - I wonder what happened that caused Leopard to be so buggy - I'm certainly staying with Tiger for now on all my machines.

Not sure, but I think you totally missed (or ignored) his point.

Why would a Mac user even want to boot into Windows?

Regardless, thanks for the MS flame. Some of us Windows users actually do know what EFI is, we just don't think it's that big of a deal.

MacOSX can run just fine on a Non-EFI system so please, elaborate on what wondrous new abilities it affords Mac users that MacOSX is actually using?

I know what EFI is capable of, but most of the perks to using it are not being used by Apple.

Hell, all they're basically using it for is to keep biege-box PC users from being able to install MacOSX. Brilliant idea, really, but it's no great feature, like you seem to be implying.

At least with Apple you actually get enhanced functionality. http://www.computerworld...c&articleId=9043898

Yay! Another one who's trying to spread the same tired old FUD that the only added "functionality" is it's UI.

http://www.extremetech.c...2/0,1697,1931913,00.asp

Give it a rest already.

But then UNIX always has confused the Windows camp...

This comment posted from FLOCK installed via WINE on the Ubuntu 7.10 Linux operating system.

Yeah, color me confused. (as to why you'd make such an absurd generalization if you actually wanted to be taken seriously)

I understand the app dependency (using WINE in linux), but it kind of defeats their marketing...

Here's a list of reasons why OSX is better than Windows:

...
...
10: Includes BootCamp so you can boot windows on a Mac!

They should have left it to the third party devs (which are doing an excellent job...)

It is no big deal. Just a as sunsetting an old patch for an old release is no biggie.

And the guy I responded to missed the point entirely! That was my point.

And that is exactly the point that the PC world seems to miss as SO many (both Mac users and PC users) still think the Mac is a 'different' animal.

Curently Apple is simply using the distinction as a strategic marketing tool. Buy our machine and you have one more advantage over a PC.

The fact is OSX can run on a generic PC after tweaking the code re the TCM.

But I wish Jobs would get off his 'lets sell image' posterior, edumacate the average non-techie that has to buy a computer for their kids in school as to the real functionality and nature of the 'new (read Intel) Mac' and release OSX unsupported for the PC and let it assume a Linux killer role as an easy and powerful alternative to Windows that is readily available, complete with applications and Windows file compatibility (we've already ost the Linux folks), that allows more power than Linux and also allows folks to discover the platform without the perceived need to buy an entirely new computer.

Given the opportunity, Many folks would discover the usability and power the environment offers, without having to sacrifice any of their legacy resources while still being able to use Windows for those applications where it is the only option.

Choice is good. And extra functionality is even better.

But then, Windows is still trying to figure out if it is 32 or 64 bit, with all of the joys and convenience(sic) that entails...

I love it too. It keeps us InfoSec folks in the green.

But then I spend most of my time in AIX, with an OS that does things (and has for over a decade) that MS still hasn't dreamed of.

The point is that I don't care if you use Windows. Some like Hundais and feel they do everything they need.

The fact is that choice is good. And Leopard does provide enhanced functionality over what Vista does, contrary to Tool's wadded panties and tired rant. Tell me about the integrated backup and archival functionality of Windows and Linux? And OS level mirroring...

We're waiting...

But then I get a kick out of Vista loyalists who actually feel it is an elegant OS.

The fact is I deal with Windows too. And I deal with its flaws as well. But if you want to mischaracterize me as rejecting all thing MS, you are indeed the idiot you appear to be. It just isn't a very elegant or powerful or secure solution given the various other platforms that are available.

Ignorance is indeed bliss. But hey, if it floats your boat, enjoy the process of bailing and just imagine that everyone has to do it too.

They are. And you have still more choices!

VMWare Fusion kicks @ss. And its half the cost of VMWare workstation.

Because some of us aren't simply fanboys whose worldview is preoccupied with fragmented hard drives, viruses, and just how do we do backups, or integrated OS level mirroring...for a start.

Some of us value the flexibility of being able to use all of the available options afforded in the market.

And you don't need Bootcamp. That is the point of the sunsetting of the patch.

A better question is: Why do Windows folks even read anything that pertains to Apple? Or is life just too idyllic and boring?

After all, its strange to see so many Windows fanboys in an Apple thread! DUH!

Or is being lost just another Windows fanboy feature?

You claimed Vista had no additional functionality.

He argued that point.

...and your response is:

"And Leopard does provide enhanced functionality over what Vista does, contrary to Tool's wadded panties and tired rant."

Show any of us where he said Vista was MORE functional than MacOSX.

You wouldn't be putting words in people's mouths, would you??

I've been bitten by the "release OSX for beige-box systems" bug as well, but I really don't think that one, it will ever happen, and two, that Apple could handle the additional nightmares brought about by providing support for some of the really absurd configurations out there.

"And you don't need Bootcamp. That is the point of the sunsetting of the patch. "

Fully integrated into Leopard, support removed from (but it still works if you don't patch) Tiger.

Define: sunsetting. And how including it (and full support for it) in Leopard means it's no longer needed?

I think the main point here for most users is that many of us who do actually use a Mac will be sticking with Tiger for a while. I'd be just as pissed if Microsoft removed support for parts of XP just as they released Vista.

Nothing fanboy about it. Well, in this post. Yours seems to be filled with it...

Can't wait for PC boot camp, seeing it's now possible to run Leopard on a PC...

Im already using it. Its called DarwinBootLoader.

well, it was a good beta and they have to end at some point.

*Sn******
Now that's a quick abandonment of old software.

*Dons flame-retardent suit*

*Edit* Oh for ****s sake BetaNews. Sn1gger isn't a racist word. Sort your ruddy filter out.

what is a sn i gger? you mean snicker?

No. I'm from Britain.

How is that "abandonment"? Boot Camp on Tiger was never officially released in any form other than a "beta" which was free.

Ok, so what does it mean?

Same as snicker, pretty much. Probably been around a lot longer though, and no, I'm not going to go look up the etymology.

Do you....google?

Ur an ignorant flame tard. Boot Camp (not the Beta) is now fully integrated into Leopard.

It's still abandonment! Who gives a sh** if it was ever officially released! Thanks Mr. Jobs!

It is what it is.

Heh. That was my point.
Way to abandon Tiger!

See above.
It works on Tiger, we've all seen it.
Why would you stop supporting Tiger now?

See above.

your troll-fu is weak.

*Sigh*
Tiger is 2 years old (ish).
BootCamp works on Tiger.

Why abbandon support for a feature which runs perfectly well on Tiger so soon after Tiger's release?

I just can't see a reason to keep functionality back from a previous (and still widely used) OS when you developed it on that OS in the first place.

Blinded by his love for Apple.

Had Microsoft done something like this, he'd be frothing at the mouth and screaming "M$ monopoly" like the rabid fanboy he is.