Apple Offers Peek at Mac OS X 'Leopard'

By Nate Mook, BetaNews

August 7, 2006, 2:22 PM

At the company's Worldwide Developer Conference in San Francisco, Apple CEO Steve Jobs provided the first peek at Mac OS X version 10.5, known by the code-name "Leopard." Jokingly calling it Vista 2.0, Jobs said he couldn't reveal all of the new features or else they would be "photocopied."

Major additions to be demoed included full support for 64-bit applications, which was previously handed in the operating system's Unix layer. Apple has now extended 64-bit all the way through the user interface, enabling a fully native 64-bit UI carbon application. 32-bit and 64-bit applications can still run side by side without emulation or translation.

Another new feature is dubbed "Time Machine," which is designed to help users prevent data loss. Only 26 percent of users back up in any fashion, Jobs said, noting that most simply drag files and folders to another drive. Leopard will automatically back up a Mac. If a file is changed, the older version is saved and can be restored at any time.

Files can be previewed without going through a full store, and the entire desktop can "warp" back to a place in time, much like Microsoft offers with its System Restore feature in Windows. Apple says Time Machine works great with Finder, but it is compatible with third party applications as well.

As expected, Apple will also include Boot Camp with Leopard, saying the reaction to the beta release has been positive, racking up 500,000 downloads. Virtual desktops are also on the docket of new features, enabling users to create different "spaces" for clusters of applications to work together.

Spotlight, Apple's search feature it introduced in Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger, has been improved for Leopard. The feature can search other Macs on a network, and advanced search capabilities have been added to specify file types and other details. Spotlight will also now be pre-populated with recent activity.

Accessibility in Leopard has been completely overhauled, Jobs said. Braille and closed caption support has been added, along with advanced in voice over capabilities.

Apple Mail is additionally receiving a freshening up in Leopard. Jobs said the company has added stationery, notes and to-do lists. Users can now send industry standard HTML mail, which will look the same on any machine. Leopard will add a new "Notes" mailbox in Mail for keeping notes separate.

The to-do list feature in Apple Mail will be tied into other Leopard applications, including iCal and a system-wide to-do tracker. In Dashboard, Apple has added a new "Webclip" button in Safari that enables users to make a widget out of a Web site in just 4 clicks.

Apple's iChat messaging client has finally received a much-needed makeover as well. Leopard adds multiple logins, animated icons, video recording and tabbed chats to the software. A new feature called "iChat Theater" shows slides to family and friends, which users can talk over. Backdrops and video backgrounds are also supported.

"While the current version of OS X Tiger stacks up well against the un-released next generation of Windows called Vista, Leopard shows us what life will look like in the Vista timeframe and once again, Apple has taken a leap over what Microsoft will deliver," commented JupiterResearch vice president Michael Gartenberg.

"Lots of features like iChat and TimeMachine that simply won't be something you can get in Vista," Gartenberg added. "Apple has an interesting opportunity to gain some momentum here. There's also a lot of stuff that Apple didn't talk about just yet, looks like we're going to see more in the weeks and months ahead."

A developer preview of Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard was provided to WWDC's 4,200 attendees Monday. The new operating system is slated to ship in final form next spring.

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By cranbers

edited Aug 13, 2006 - 10:40 PM

Apple's software is very impressive. Their style, features and software engineering is second to none to anyone in the industry including Microsoft. Their problem has to do more with keeping everything locked down, until they open up more add more hardware support. Let people build their own macs etc will they ever gain more market share with their os.

It's too bad Apple can't get more of a grip on the market. They seem to be some kind of bottom feeder. I am not sure exactly what the problem is, I mean they do offer a superior product to windows Xp. Unlike Linux, Apple is known for ease of use. I guess that tends to make people think Apple is still a kitty OS meant for newbies and not power users. Schools especially elementary schools used/use them. That has changed though most to windows and the PC.

I think they would be smart to open the os to any x86 computer not just their own Intel apple machines. But they would then open up the os from a very narrow hardware support, what they want in it and supported. They write the drivers they develop and test and polish. They sell it. That eliminates system instability. So you are forced to buy a apple machine and software together. Therefore keeping that proprietary frame of mind going strong. Which also keeps their adoption rate down as well. The ability to dual boot with xp is interesting and does help but in the end they are supporting MS. Even though another Mac is sold.

I hope their market share does go up, I also hope to see them open up the os, maybe make a free version of os x for any pc, then have the more extensive features mac pc only.

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By hardgiant

edited Aug 10, 2006 - 7:51 AM

OS X 10.5 looks great and they seem to implement the features a lot better then Microsoft does either because Microsoft lacks talent/imagination or they fear anti-trust lawsuits.

I'm currently using Windows XP and it could be the last Windows version I use. I tried the beta 2 Vista and it was slow, bloated and buggy. I mean going from 550 MiB to 3.2 GiB is shocking and installed it took 8 GiB of space. I will try once again when RC1 comes out.

I've heard that Windows Vista Ultimate Edition will cost $500 that could drive a lot of people to Apple since it will drive the cost of PC's up.

Of course Linux gets better and better.

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By paulm

posted Aug 12, 2006 - 11:43 PM

$500 for Vista Ultimate. Where the hell did you hear that?
MS wouldn't be so stupid to charge $500 for a glorified version of what is esentially just a professional version with media centre functionality tacked on.
Granted, the Ultimate version will be more, and we won't see the price drops we have currently with XP till its replacement is near.
But $500. I assume you are talking USD. That would cost me AUD $650. It won't sell in this country at that sort of pricing. XP Pro currently sells for around AUD $100 here.
Best not to speculate on pricing till it is announced. It causes to much BS discussion.

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By DigitalSin

posted Aug 11, 2006 - 5:16 PM

I use both XP and OSX on a daily basis (on the same iMac ;)

XP just doesn't compare anymore to OS X. Will Vista fix that? I've yet to see an impressive build. Theres just no innovation on Microsoft's part. It's like, they *want* to innovate, and they at least try to innovate, but they've just no style whatsoever. No personality.

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By The MAZZTer

edited Aug 10, 2006 - 10:29 AM

Vista beta 2 was not good in terms of performance, but keep in mind that more recent builds have improved speed. If you have Beta 2 supposedly you'll get access to Release Candidate 1... I'm going to try it out (it should be significantly faster) and you should too, since it'll be free. :)

Also Vista Ultimate probably won't come packaged with most PCs, manufacturers realize most people won't know or care about the differences between the 7 or so versions and will bundle the cheapest one with the new lower-end PCs.

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By PC_Tool

posted Aug 10, 2006 - 10:47 AM

Not the cheapest.

I'd imagine most new systems will ship with Vista Home Premium since most are now shipping with MCE and they wouldn't want to ship with *less* features.

The next step up for Home systems would be Ultimate. Not too much of a stretch, really. And since OEMs will likely be getting Vista at a large discount over the prices we've been told....ya never know.

I would not be suprised to see many systems shipping with Ultimate. If only for the sensationalistic factors.

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By Black-Wolf

posted Aug 14, 2006 - 6:39 PM

you can always buy the Windows Vista Basic

I am sure it fits your budget perfectly well!

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By KSzostek

posted Aug 8, 2006 - 8:08 PM

Steve Jobs is a moron!

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By maniakmx3

posted Aug 9, 2006 - 9:49 AM

You're a Moron for calling Jobs a moron. But he is scared I will tell you that. The only way he can feel better about his competition is to talk down on it because he knows he CAN'T take microsoft down...Hell, he used to work for M$, he of all people should know...

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By school1012

posted Aug 9, 2006 - 4:38 PM

I don't lile jobs, but is is not a moron. He is a good speaker.
He is scared, negitive advertising shows that.

He thought his market shared was going to jump, but it has not moved

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By paulm

edited Aug 13, 2006 - 12:09 AM

The later versions of OSX are quite good, from what I've seen. But XP (and hopefully Vista?) does all that I require.
But it doesn't matter how good an OS is if it's low market share is stagnant or worse, goes south. Without the success of the iPod, Apple would be dire about now, and there is no guarantee that their success with the iPod will last.
Apple have made a smart move moving to the technically superior Intel platform. But to have any chance to increase their market share anything greater than the odd point or two, they will need to code their OS so it loads on any "IBM compatible" PC that meets their system requirements. Which should be anything that XP is happy on.
Hell, even I (not your greatest Apple fan thanks mostly to fanatics in the Apple community) would purchase a copy to dual boot with Windows.

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By DigitalSin

posted Aug 11, 2006 - 4:51 PM

uh huh - he sure looked scared

apple market share has gone up, did you actually watch the presentation?

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By school1012

posted Aug 13, 2006 - 1:26 PM

Yes, then I read the real numbers. 1/10 of 1% is a huge jump

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By garou506

posted Aug 9, 2006 - 4:19 AM

And why would that be? ;-)

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By templar™

posted Aug 9, 2006 - 12:19 AM

He happens to be probably the MOST PERSUASIVE AND CONVINCING person in the world. Noone can sell like he does.

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By niChomplex

posted Aug 13, 2006 - 8:49 PM

No one except Bill Gates. The numbers prove that =\

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By xyzcb1

posted Aug 9, 2006 - 11:56 AM

Agreed. I don't know anyone else can sell products in 2 for 1 format. That's it, sell a product with less functions for twice the price of a competitor.

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By dhjdhj

posted Aug 10, 2006 - 9:17 AM

What product is he selling that has less functions? Are you talking about his computers or about the iPod? If the latter, consider all the companies that are successful due to branding (Nike, for example).
If his stuff was no good, do you really think millions of people would be fooled?

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By Grazer

posted Aug 11, 2006 - 11:33 AM

If his stuff was no good, do you really think millions of people would be fooled?
AOL subscribers have been for years.

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By elitegangsta

posted Aug 12, 2006 - 10:34 PM

bahahahahahaha, excellent point!

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By school1012

posted Aug 9, 2006 - 4:37 PM

Agreed

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By wincement

posted Aug 8, 2006 - 9:19 PM

Somehow, I doubt the head of a *very* successful organization such as Apple could be a moron having reached to his current position.

Sounds more like a senseless bash to me.

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By aberkeme

posted Aug 8, 2006 - 1:24 PM

I'm not going to say either OS is better than the other; it's really up to personal preference.

The one item that I do have an issue with is when reviews and articles (as well as Apple's commercials) talk about features or applications that Windows does not include "aka bundle".

Unlike Apple, when Microsoft includes an application with the OS, it's called bundling. If Apple adds applications to the the OS (iLife, iChat, and whatever other iApps) it's called an OS feature.

Given that, I think every reputable reviewer should not consider add-on apps as OS features when comparing products.

AHB

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By Desides

posted Aug 9, 2006 - 1:47 AM

"Unlike Apple, when Microsoft includes an application with the OS, it's called bundling. If Apple adds applications to the the OS (iLife, iChat, and whatever other iApps) it's called an OS feature."

The Internet Explorer lawsuit was an aberration. However, I do recall a lot of internet-based support for that lawsuit, and a lot of internet-based whining and crying about it when the Bush administration did their best to minimize penalties since the bulk of the case had already been decided.

Your analogy doesn't hold water, because it cites an extreme example.

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By Grazer

posted Aug 9, 2006 - 3:10 AM

Your analogy doesn't hold water, because it cites an extreme example.

Unless he edited it out of his post, he didn't mention the extreme example, you did. And I wouldn't call it an analogy, it is really more a comparison of how differently Windows and OSX are viewed. Mainly, that it seems that OSX "features" are welcomed, and MS "bundling" anything with Windows is seen as bad. I am sure you can find a large number of European legislators to support my claims ;)

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By Desides

posted Aug 9, 2006 - 4:01 AM

"Unless he edited it out of his post, he didn't mention the extreme example, you did."

What? Are you serious? The entire point of his post is that Microsoft gets flak for bundling software, and Apple doesn't. What is the one example everyone cites of Microsoft getting flak? Internet Explorer. Though I suppose a more recent case would be Windows Media Player in Europe.

Point is, he's complaining about a double standard that does not exist.

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By wincement

posted Aug 9, 2006 - 11:29 AM

Wow. You are absolutely clueless.

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By Desides

posted Aug 9, 2006 - 2:17 PM

Yes, because two cases constitute a lifetime of persecution over product bundling for Microsoft while Apple gets off scot-free. It has nothing to do with Microsoft's profile, and certainly the two cases brought against MS are proven to be airtight, right?

Bogus action against Microsoft does not constitute a pro-Apple double standard.

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By wincement

posted Aug 9, 2006 - 6:42 PM

Bogus action against Microsoft does not constitute a pro-Apple double standard.

I don't think anyone was claiming that. But it definitely constitutes an anti-MS double standard.

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By PC_Tool

posted Aug 9, 2006 - 10:00 AM

Yeah...

All that hullabaloo over WMP, IE, Widnows defender...all abberrations.

Funny Mac hasn't had *any* abberrations of that kind...

...just sayin'.

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By Desides

posted Aug 9, 2006 - 2:15 PM

Considering everything included in Windows, two major allegations over, what, a 20 year history... that kind of fits the definition.

And let's not forget, IE is still bundled with Windows, so the only charge that's stuck is the EU's case against WMP.

It's actually not funny that Apple hasn't had the same problems as Microsoft. The Clinton Justice Department just wanted to be seen doing something high-profile and supposedly important, especially after various screw-ups in Clinton's first term. So they sued Microsoft. If Clinton was still president/Reno still Attorney General, we might well see a case against Apple building. But adults are running the Justice Department again, so we won't. Thankfully.

Really not seeing this supposed double standard.

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By DotNet_Coder

posted Aug 10, 2006 - 1:35 AM

Actually, anything that MSFT throws into the OS that has a 3rd party counterpart is usually considered bundling, especially in light of the IE/WMP problems. Also, let's not forget, we are not seeing Apple or Linux acting like the 90's juggernaut that was MSFT when they bundled IE in the OS to kill Netscape and other competing browsers.

The possible other reason that other operating systems (Apple, *nix, BeOS, etc) don't get the same flak over including products and services into the core operating system is because there is less 3rd party, commercial development that would be hampered by the bundled product or service. (There are more 3rd party Windows development shops that rely on a particular need within Windows to be there for them to exist. If MSFT were to bundle the solution to that need right into the core operating system, guess what, there goes a few development shops.

Granted, a lot of 3rd party products do exist that are superior to what MSFT puts into place, the trick is that with that bundled service right in the OS, how is the common (and unexperienced) user to know that a better product exists? Again, this is much to the chagrin of the development shop in question.

~dnc

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By Grazer

posted Aug 10, 2006 - 3:26 PM

how is the common (and unexperienced) user to know that a better product exists?
Um. Advertising? Word of mouth?

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By dhjdhj

posted Aug 10, 2006 - 9:18 AM

And Apple does not have an almost monopolistic position in the marketplace

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By Grazer

posted Aug 10, 2006 - 3:27 PM

So, if a company is insanely successful (for whatever reason) they should have to intentionally avoid integrating new ideas and features in order to give the little guy a chance?

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By templar™

posted Aug 8, 2006 - 2:33 PM

Agree. It's unfair to MS. But from consumer's point of view, more equals better. Most of the time, anyway.

Correction: iLife is bundled with Mac hardware, not with the OS. :)

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By Grazer

posted Aug 9, 2006 - 3:11 AM

Correction: iLife is bundled with Mac hardware, not with the OS. :)

Can you get iLife's updates and new features without buying Leopard?

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By Desides

posted Aug 9, 2006 - 4:02 AM

Yes. iLife debuted in 2005.

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By Grazer

posted Aug 9, 2006 - 3:20 PM

And I can get the new features without buying Leopard?

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By maniakmx3

posted Aug 8, 2006 - 9:41 AM

Alright, I don't really care about the new "interfaces" that mac has... Time Machine? Windows has had System restore for over 6 years now. On top of that, I wouldn't TOUCH a mac unless I got into heavy hardcore graphics design even tho my PC can preform those functions just as well, but my PC has games games games! What does mac have? Super breakout? I'll stick with windows, hasn't done me wrong since 3.1

Mac sucks unless your a graphics designer...period

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By DigitalSin

posted Aug 11, 2006 - 5:00 PM

You obviously don't know much about what Time Machine does. XP's system restore does not offer 'ala carte' restoration like Time Machine does.

Note the operative word "System" in system restore. System restore monitors the registry and some DLLs and a user has to fool around with restore points.

It doesn't come even close to what Time Machine has to offer.

Mac just has breakout? Uhm, lets see what the survey says:

World of Warcraft
Doom 3
Call of Duty 2
Age of Empires 3
Quake 4...

I could go on and on, those are today's most popular games hands down. So don't give me that breakout crap. Oh, and with the intel imacs, if theres a game thats XP only, all you have to do is pop on boot camp and install XP. Fully automated, takes very little time.

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By cap737

posted Aug 10, 2006 - 12:43 AM

Yeah, windows has had System Restore for the past 6 years and sometimes it has come in handy for me. As a mac user, it's kinda nice to have it but at the same time it's not.

As far as your games comment goes, some people don't use a Personal Computer (PC) for games. I know PCs have the games (and I wish they ported Half Life over to the mac) but some people use their computer for more than just games. I, personally, use mine for graphics (on a G5), internet, email, file sharing and chatting. It works great for what I do.

A lot of people do use macs for graphics but it can do so much more than that.

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By Grazer

posted Aug 11, 2006 - 11:36 AM

As far as your games comment goes, some people don't use a Personal Computer (PC) for games.
And having the games availible is bad how?

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By templar™

posted Aug 9, 2006 - 7:17 AM

Now is not a good time for a graphic designer to own a Mac.

There's no universal binary version of Photoshop yet. So if you run Photoshop on a new Intel-Mac, it would be running under emulation.

Gotta wait till next year; probably around Leopard's timeframe.

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By maniakmx3

posted Aug 9, 2006 - 9:42 AM

ahh I didn't know that. I used CS2 on a Macbook G4, and honestly my PC processed faster and cleaner than it did on the mac, I myself was actually suprised. But hey, maybe next year it'll be better for the mac guys

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By PC_Tool

posted Aug 9, 2006 - 10:01 AM

...maybe next year...

...maybe next processor...

...maybe next verision...

Yeah, maybe. ;)

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By Grazer

posted Aug 8, 2006 - 3:12 PM

Mac sucks unless your a graphics designer...period

Even then, in my opinion, they admitted defeat in the graphics arena when they started using third party graphics cards.

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By chriscollier

posted Aug 8, 2006 - 9:00 PM

No...you are retarded. Photoshop and many other programs are just easier to use on an apple computer. It's not just about the hardware. The software just flat out runs better on an apple.

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By bobthegoat2001

edited Aug 9, 2006 - 8:32 PM

There the same program on both platforms. How can one be easier to use than the other? Is it easier because you don't have to learn the left *and* right clicks on a mouse?

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By Grazer

edited Aug 9, 2006 - 3:14 AM

No...you are retarded.
Good way to start out, insulting the person you are replying to instead of providing a good argument.

Photoshop and many other programs are just easier to use on an apple computer.
How are they easier to use? Perhaps because you are more used to the Mac interface conventions?

The software just flat out runs better on an apple.
Can you show me benchmarks that show significant difference in performance and that don't make excuses for results not matching claims?

(Note: I'll restrain myself from being a smarta** and noting you called it an "apple". Oh, damn, I already did. Must be the retardation from using a microsoft setting in.)

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By maniakmx3

edited Aug 9, 2006 - 9:46 AM

Good Argument Grazer. you are right too, Mac's are overpriced and overestimated. The only reason Apple didn't go out of business is because of the iPod and iTunes. Mac had a horrible reputation until Mac OS X, all previous versions were very unstable. (this is talking from experience, I have used all versions from Mac OS 6 up to 9 and they were all horrible) Mac OS X I would have to admit is actually not a bad OS, very stable just no one supports it.

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By betaolivier

edited Aug 15, 2006 - 11:10 AM

You also forget to mention that Microsoft did put some money in apple a few years ago.

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By Grazer

posted Aug 9, 2006 - 1:09 PM

Actually, from what I have been reading in other articles, the newer macs are not really that overpriced. Overestimated? Probably by mac zealots; but given that you are now actually getting what you pay for when you buy a Mac and paying quite a bit, they should be pretty powerful.

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By rayz66

posted Aug 8, 2006 - 2:47 PM

TimeMachine is not really system restore. It's more like the new versioning thing that's built into Vista.

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By maniakmx3

posted Aug 9, 2006 - 9:47 AM

umm dude, Time Machine is for Mac, System Restore is for PC. Obviously you didn't read the article.....

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By bobthegoat2001

posted Aug 9, 2006 - 8:34 PM

He never said Time Machine wasn't for the Mac. He was just comparing the two. Odviously you didn't read his post.....

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By PC_Tool

posted Aug 9, 2006 - 10:03 AM

When did he say otherwise?

Looks to me like he was defending TimeMachine for the Mac saying it was less like System Restore (A feature that's been in windows for years) and more like the 'new' versioning in Vista.

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By Maestr0

posted Aug 8, 2006 - 8:19 AM

Why would Jobs even mention his competition (Vista) at all. Obviously it must be on his mind.

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By garou506

posted Aug 9, 2006 - 4:17 AM

Why not? Nothing wrong with mentioning the competition or poking fun at them... after all, it's just that; competition. Some people don't seem to understand that.

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By Desides

posted Aug 9, 2006 - 1:50 AM

The entire point of mentioning Vista was to justify not showing more features at WWDC as was widely expected. Leopard may not be ready yet for a full public unveiling, so they got two for one by ribbing Microsoft and avoiding the unveiling of more significant features.

That said, I really don't see why people are complaining about Time Machine, Core Animation, Universal Access, and the features added to the various system programs. For what was billed as a "sneak peek," what we were shown was pretty damn impressive.

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By rayz66

edited Aug 8, 2006 - 2:59 PM

Because at the moment, they have very little else. Whatever Apple is hiding, it had better be good. What I've seen so far is a fix pack, not an upgrade.

Besides mentioning Vista is a good ploy; it stirs up the more vocal parts of the Mac community so they can help with the anti-Vista campaign, and also diverts attention away from the fact that so far, this is little more than a fix pack.

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By Hot Blonde

posted Aug 8, 2006 - 4:21 AM

there a lot of trolls here, esp Mr. PC_Tool

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By PC_Tool

posted Aug 8, 2006 - 9:55 AM

Heh...

Only in Mac topics. And seriously, what have I said that isn't true, eh?

Trolls seek to cause chaos in a forum. To misdirect the topic.

All I did was state some simple facts and comparisons.

statement of fact!==trolling.

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By garou506

posted Aug 9, 2006 - 4:14 AM

hahahaha ha ha.... facts eh :-p

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By templar™

posted Aug 8, 2006 - 2:27 PM

u got one extra '=' there. lol.

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By PC_Tool

posted Aug 8, 2006 - 3:42 PM

uh...

It was for effect...

Yeah, that's it. ;)

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By GCoder

posted Aug 8, 2006 - 10:24 AM

Just ignore PC_TOOL and his Bill Gates fetish...LOL@PCHOMO

He is just that: a pc TOOL

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By PC_Tool

posted Aug 8, 2006 - 12:49 PM

And the whole purpose of that post was what again?

Ahh...flaming.

Right.

The mods are really on the ball today, folks.

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By templar™

edited Aug 8, 2006 - 3:44 AM

Mac users (incl. Apple itself) have been calling Vista a copycat. Now it seems like Leopard itself is a big copycat:
- Time Machine --> Shadow Copy
- Spaces --> Virtual Desktop Manager
- Core Animation --> Avalon
- a few features in iChat --> Windows Live Messenger
- a few features in Mail --> Outlook Express

Does anyone think the excitement over Leopard is blown way out of proportion?

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By DigitalSin

edited Aug 11, 2006 - 5:14 PM

1. Time machine is nothing like Shadow Copy. Do some research before making comparisons.

2. VDM is a lame powertoy. It has very poor integration compared to what we see with Spaces which is seemless. Besides, Linux had virtual desktops before NT (which is where VDM came from).

3. Core animation and avalon are similar as far as this: they are both graphics APIs. Wow, they are some serious copycats....

4. iChat: Backdrops (both photos and videos), Photobooth integration to make funny video effects, > 2 simultaneous video chats. ALL things Messenger does not have. Oh, does Messenger have tabs?

5. Mail.app blows OE out of the water in both UI (naturally), security, IMAP, .MAC integration, calendar integration, and plenty more.

So I don't think these are even comparable in some cases. For those of us using OS X, these are some great new features that will be fun and useful. What were vista's new features again? I forgot. Oh, Aero.

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By Desides

posted Aug 9, 2006 - 1:51 AM

Nah. The hate for Leopard is blown out of proportion, though.

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By school1012

posted Aug 8, 2006 - 2:31 PM

I agree, But will wait until I play with the OS

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By deadmonkey

posted Aug 8, 2006 - 9:00 AM

Your comparisons are not all that great. I am not a Mac user but even I see their new features are great.

Time Machine is similar to Volume Shadow Copy but more user friendly. The interface is simple to use, Microsoft need something similar for VSC.

Virtual Desktop is a joke. Its slow, glunky and horrible to use. Spaces looks very nice, I really like the way I can create a "Music Space" and with one click have it load up several apps, etc. for me.

You are correct about Core Animation and Avalon. They are very similar. Infact I would probably say Avalon looks better.

WLM vs iChat? Please tell me that was a joke? All of the new video features can't be done with WLM. You can share your desktop but it isn't as nicely integrated as iChat looked in the demo.

Since when does Outlook Express have Todo and Notes? It has stationary but it is old and ugly. Microsoft's default tools are a joke compared to Apples. Not that it is a big deal to me as I do not use any of the default tools however I understand a lot of people do, this is an area where Microsoft get let down.

Also I know you did not start on about having to pay for new versions of apps in the OS but I want to say something about that and dont want two posts. You have to look at the apps as part of the OS. If you dont want them then dont pay for the new version. Its pretty simple. For users who do use iChat, Mail, etc they want new versions and paying £100 for that is fine to them. Infact it seems fair to me.

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By templar™

posted Aug 8, 2006 - 2:25 PM

Perhaps I didn't make it clear in my post. I wasn't trying to compare the products per se. The Leopard version of these apps are generally much better, especially in the UI department.

My only issue is the name calling by Mac fans & Apple. They say Windows has been copying features & ideas from Mac. I see nothing wrong with it if it means better user experience. Just because Mac has it first and Windows has it later, doesn't mean that it's bad.

Now Leopard is implementing (and improving upon) many features that Windows already has. If they call Windows (and Vista) copycat, then I guess Leopard is itself a copycat too.

I just can't stand the hypocrisy.

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By RobertM

posted Aug 7, 2006 - 6:56 PM

"...enabling a fully native 64-bit UI carbon application."

Not to be picky, but that applies to both Carbon (extra pickyness: capital C) *and* Cocoa applications. Both are frameworks that allow development of OS X applications, most of which probably use Cocoa (Carbon is mostly for OS 9 compatibility) ... which is the only reason I'm bringing this up.

Regardless, this is good news, as I've previously heard people say it would be impossible to make such a smooth transition (and makes me wonder, why can't Windows handle this transition so smoothly?).

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By Desides

posted Aug 9, 2006 - 1:53 AM

"(and makes me wonder, why can't Windows handle this transition so smoothly?)."

My guess would be an institutional/managerial reluctance at Microsoft to tamper with anything that might have to do with backwards compatibility. Personally, I think that's the albatross around Windows' neck, and they need to seriously consider deprioritizing (not dumping completely) backwards compatibility in the post-Vista OS.

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By Araxen

posted Aug 7, 2006 - 6:30 PM

Nothing like an apple news post on betanews. All the M$ homers come out of the woodwork like termites.

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By Grazer

posted Aug 7, 2006 - 6:50 PM

WTF is a "homer"? I do not consider myself a MS follower/fanboy/whatever (although I am sure many Mac Zealots would disagree), I am just allergic to BS this blatantly obvious.

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By Desides

posted Aug 9, 2006 - 4:05 AM

"WTF is a "homer"?"

A person who roots for their home team and out of blind fandom elevates them above all other competition. You do follow sports, right?

While the term is being used improperly in this case, the point being made is that the people complaining in these replies are all Windows users insulting a non-Windows OS.

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By Grazer

posted Aug 9, 2006 - 12:39 PM

You do follow sports, right?

Nope, can't say I do, never seen the point in watching a game where I don't know any of the players personally.

...the point being made is that the people complaining in these replies are all Windows users insulting a non-Windows OS.
I'd say we're insulting the Apple marketing and snideness more than the Mac OS itself.

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By wincement

edited Aug 7, 2006 - 6:35 PM

I, for one, am not an "M$ homer."

But I can smell PR BS a mile away no matter who it comes from; Microsoft, or Apple.

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By spongy-poo

posted Aug 7, 2006 - 6:50 PM

Isn't PR BS kind of the norm on a site like this? After all, it's a site focusing on new software.

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By wincement

edited Aug 7, 2006 - 6:53 PM

You can promote your product without BS'ing.

Google, for the most part, does a good job of this (IMO). They don't try to say their software or services are something they aren't.

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By spongy-poo

posted Aug 7, 2006 - 7:06 PM

Nah, they all BS; that's what they hire PR firms for. Google has done it, too.

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By paulstorm

posted Aug 7, 2006 - 5:35 PM

Wait -- I thought Leopard was going to be delievered by the end of the year. Now it is "slated" to ship in final form next spring?

No acknowledgement on that score in this article...hmmm

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By Desides

posted Aug 7, 2006 - 5:52 PM

You would be wrong. Leopard was never given a release date--Jobs only said that it would be "out in time to compete with Vista." Spring is about right.

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By PC_Tool

posted Aug 9, 2006 - 10:04 AM

He could be right.

He could be wrong.

You may be right.

I may be crazy.

I am *not* the lunatic you're looking for. ;)

(Sorry, couldn't resist. Billy Joel playing in the background.)

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By wincement

edited Aug 7, 2006 - 5:36 PM

Jokingly calling it Vista 2.0, Jobs said he couldn't reveal all of the new features or else they would be "photocopied."

Or there just aren't anymore...

What a load of BS.

"Ooooh... Look! I have a Notes folder in my Inbox now."

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By Desides

posted Aug 9, 2006 - 4:10 AM

"Or there just aren't anymore..."

Yes, an unreleased OS whose planned feature set was never made public has suffered serious setbacks and is now being dramatically pared down to the point where its vendor is promoting a marginal featureset in non-OS applications as a major selling point.

So either you have a secret source and obtained the design documents for Leopard prior to your post, or you're just spouting nonsense enabled by the relative anonymity of the internet.

Go away.

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By wincement

edited Aug 9, 2006 - 11:35 AM

Umm... in case you didn't notice, my post was a *speculation*. I thought that was pretty clear since no one assumed that I KNEW that for a fact. That would be absolutely absurd to assert that, as you yourself said.

Settle down there, sparky. Try to enjoy life.

Go away.

Even though you are very persuasive with your non-biased viewpoint, I think I'll stay. Thanks anyway.

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By Desides

posted Aug 9, 2006 - 2:19 PM

"in case you didn't notice, my post was a *speculation*."

So "what a load of BS" is now speculative? Seems pretty declarative to me.

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By wincement

edited Aug 9, 2006 - 6:47 PM

Oh excuse me. I forgot to add the all important universal I-have-to-spell-this-out-to-everyone-because-they're-too-dumb-to-comprehend-implication disclaimer: In my opinion.

Since everyone on here knows I must know EVERYTHING for a fact right? The comment was a speculation and opinion about what I thought the PR crap really meant. No. I don't know it for a fact. I think we've established that. Can we move on now? Allllrighty then.

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By dvferret

posted Aug 7, 2006 - 7:50 PM

lol, probebly right on that one.

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By spongy-poo

posted Aug 7, 2006 - 6:52 PM

You're just kind of a grouch, huh? Not getting any lately?

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By dvferret

posted Aug 7, 2006 - 7:51 PM

"Not getting any lately?"
NOT GETTING ANY WHAT? You need some sleep.

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By wincement

posted Aug 7, 2006 - 6:54 PM

That was mature. Anything to say about the *article*?

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By Grazer

posted Aug 7, 2006 - 7:48 PM

Doubtful, he's probably just propositioning you.

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By spongy-poo

posted Aug 7, 2006 - 8:19 PM

Wince can do far better than that on his own, he doesn't need your lame idea of help.

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By Grazer

edited Aug 7, 2006 - 8:48 PM

Not doing it for him, just getting brought down to your level.

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By PC_Tool

posted Aug 8, 2006 - 4:38 PM

Never argue with an idiot. They'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

Never argue with me. I'll drag you down to my level and beat you with a bat. ;)

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By spongy-poo

posted Aug 9, 2006 - 8:43 AM

ROFL! Way to come in the backdoor after the fray big man. Weak!

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By PC_Tool

posted Aug 9, 2006 - 10:06 AM

ROFLMAO!

Dude, it was a joke. Deal. It was directed at no-one.

Someone run over your puppy this morning?

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By Grazer

edited Aug 9, 2006 - 3:20 AM

Never argue with an idiot. They'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
Yeah, I got trolled; but sometimes its fun, like a FPS. Doesn't require alot of thought, gets your adrenaline pumping, and is a productive way to vent seeing as on a rare occasion they actually realize they cannot win.

Never argue with me. I'll drag you down to my level and beat you with a bat. ;)
Poor flying rodent, I am calling PETA on you.

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By PC_Tool

edited Aug 9, 2006 - 10:07 AM

Um...
Er....

The wooden, 'Lousiville Slugger' kind, not the flying vampyric kind. :p

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By Grazer

posted Aug 9, 2006 - 1:12 PM

The wooden, 'Lousiville Slugger' kind, not the flying vampyric kind. :p
Sure, sure, if you say so, I think you just don't want me to call PETA.

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By PC_Tool

posted Aug 9, 2006 - 2:05 PM

lmao..

Reminds me of a game I ran across a while ago.

Star Warped.

One of the challenges was to knock an Ewok off a bridge with a swinging log. The guys in the background, if you got a decent score, would threaten to report you to the PETFC (People For The Ethical Treatment of Fictional Characters).

I just read that now...

...perhaps you had to be there. It was funny as hell at the time.

Trust me. ;)

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By spongy-poo

edited Aug 7, 2006 - 7:05 PM

Nope, the article was fine, it's YOU I was concerned about. Cheer up!

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By PC_Tool

posted Aug 7, 2006 - 4:39 PM

Leopard shows us what life will look like in the Vista timeframe and once again, Apple has taken a leap over what Microsoft will deliver,"

Please, do tell. What is this 'leap' you speak of?

iChat? Meet any other chat program in existance. Nice to see you catch up with us.

TimeMachine? Meet Shadow Copy. Only took you a few "updates" to reach what we had back when 2k3 was released.

Can't wait to see what else they've got in store for us in the coming weeks.

A striking innovation in the use of flash media to speed up the system, perhaps? Support for next-gen games, maybe? Oh! I know! They're going to introduce an animated helper that looks like a paper-clip!

Too rich.

*dons flameproof suit*

This oughtta be good...

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By wincement

edited Aug 7, 2006 - 5:26 PM

Oh! I know! They're going to introduce an animated helper that looks like a paper-clip!

ROFL

Nice one. I remember that stupid paperclip.

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By Das mod

posted Aug 7, 2006 - 5:11 PM

ahHAHah Sarcasm at its finest ....

great post Mr. PC_Tool - it outta shut some mac fanboys up

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By dvferret

posted Aug 7, 2006 - 7:53 PM

Yup, I love reading PC_Tool's posts. Always interesting and true.(usually)

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