Obviously the idiots here can't see it. The 80GB is disappearing, but a new model WILL make an appearance to replace it.

It will have Dualshock 3, it will in all likelihood have the same features as the current 80GB (4xUSB ports, SACD, Card readers and PS2 software based compatibility), and will likely have a 120GB+ HDD, and sell for a premium price (guess: $449, with the 40GB going down to $349).

Obviously announcing to BEFORE it's sold all of it's 80GB is a stupid move. You wait till stocks of current units are exhausted and THEN you announce the new model.

It's obvious none of you lot own your own businesses, as it's ABC of business...

"It's obvious none of you lot own your own buisnesses, as it's ABC of buisness... "

And you know this from owning your own Sony cheerleader uniform business, right? How's business these days?

lol

Sony announced the 80GB before discontinuing the 60GB model. Actually, I bought my 80GB when there was a 60GB right beside it for the same price of $499. Sony must be working on the CBA's of business...and know how to spell.

"... it's only a matter of time before something must be said publicly."

How's about: "Get a bigger model dumb asses?"

Or: "Stop being such a winey assed b****?"

Why do they have to publicly say anything?

"Why do they have to publicly say anything? "

I guess that's true...it's not like there is enough interest out there about the PS3 in the first place, it's not like anybody will notice that they discontinued a model.

Well I mean it'd be something completely different and they would have had to totally explain themselves if they had discontinued the entire line and just said, "To hell with Sony, we hate you", and then pulled every single player off the market, but they didn't do that at all. You can still buy other models, so I just don't understand why this would make such a big hype to require a social gathering and press release to say, "Yeah, we don't carry that one anymore"

Lets face it both the 360 and the POS3 are both funded by 2 large conglomorates that really don't give a s*** about anyone except themselves. They will kick the little man or business into oblivion and will say that is usual business. Both these two companies love to have monopolies over every other company and will do anything for this goal. THE SOONER PEOPLE WISE UP TO THIS THE SOONER WE WILL HAVE COMPETITION BACK AT THE CONSUMERS HANDS WHICH IS BETTER FOR US!

PS3, XBOX360, Wii...hm...weird sounds like there is competition already.

WHat do you want, 30 consoles for devs to makes games for? Yea that's what we want.../sarcasm

You are just trying to make yourself feel better about buying a crappy system. I have all, PS3, xbox 360 and wii. As a family we play the wii, I play the 360, and the ps3 sits there and waits for a good game to come out.

I will give you the fact that the ps3 has a nice blu ray player, but that is about it. Without the easy backwards compatibility, it has almost no games. Yes, the 360 came out a year sooner, but the ps3 has been out for over a year now and still has little to no games. At the one year mark for the 360, they had double the games the ps3 did and many exclusive games that people actually wanted to play.

The 360 has the best online service (even if it was down for 3 weeks), where is the ps3's downloadable movies, or tv shows. so you can watch you tube on the ps3 woopty doo, I can watch it on my phone, who cares.

Get a life Benjamin Linus and stop bothering people trying to make yourself feel better for wasting your 2 months pay on an antiquated system.

It's funny, because it's true.

Ratchet and Clank, Uncharted, Resistance Fall of Man, Unreal Tournament 3, Call of Duty 4, Gran Turismo 5 Prologue, Warhawk, Heavenly Sword, Motorstorm, DMC 4...all great games...all except COD 4 and DMC being exclusive to the PS3....with MGS 4, GT5, and Haze right around the corner...Resistance 2 just announced, Killzone 3....rumors of Crysis (with the 360 struggling to make it work)...the PS3 being the home of the best MLB game available (The Show)....to say the PS3 has no good games is just being ignorant....add to that 1000+ PS2 titles (software), or if you have a 60 or 20GB PS3 the backwards compatability is at 98%!!

the first good game for the 360 was not released until one year into its life span (Gears of War) the PS3 had its first good game on launch day R:FOM....

oh and the PS3 has the luxury of standard HDD's (not so on the 360)....built in wireless (not so on the 360)...HDMI on ALL models (not so on the 360)....ability to pass uncompressed multichannel HD audio codecs (not so on the 360)...a failure rate of less than 5% (not so on the 360)...the ability to play High Definition movies standard on ALL models (not so on the 360)....the ability to play the LEADING format of High Def Media (not available at all on the 360)....

the 360's online service has been out for YEARS longer than the PSN...it SHOULD be more robust...XBL just recently started getting TV shows and movies...it was out for years before those features were added...its on the way for the PSN....we shall see it in time...

does sony pay your for each word you type ?

Games? What games, there is basically none available for the PS3. I believe Sony's strategy is promote it as a Blu-Ray players. The fail rate of PS3 hasn't test it yet, because people either leave it to collect dusts or play a dvd or blu-ray or two. But not for games. When it start to play games, like it was designed to, then we will re-visit this topic.

gazzie, your first paragraph describes my expeience with all 3 systems perfectly.

I didn't have any trouble with Live back in December, except the Paradise Demo wouldn't let me connect for a while. Eveything else was fine.

PSN is kind of .... yawn........ but at least it's free. I always said I would rather pay $4 a month for a excellent online experience than take a crappy one for free.

The last paragraphs sounds familiar as I say almost every day, except Benjamin is Dave and Steve and ferz, and a bunch of others.

The saddest part is, none of these Sony shills are on Sony's payroll, I've seen the way their planted people post on forums.

They are at least intellegent and don't use words that could get them fired when somebody finds out, which has already happened.

i just listed 10 GREAT games, 8 of which are 100% exclusive to the PS3....if you can't see that the PS3 has plenty of great games you are blind...the first great 360 did not come out till a year after launch...

But of course you blad on and on about something that you don't own, and have never used...therefore you have no clue what you are talking about....people use their PS3's just as much as any console....and the PS3 has a failure rate of less than 5%....while the 360 was so rushed to the market that its hardware design has horrible horrible flaws that cause reported failure rates of over 30%!! for an electronic device that is just not acceptable...expecially when the oldest 360 out there is just over 2 years old!!....at least with the PS2 disc read error problems they didn't start until years down the road...the 360's were bricking months after launch...

His first paragraph describes my experiance as well.

I'm sure if the PS3 was the first next gen system to be released a year ahead of the 360, it would be the other way around.

The Wii is the big surprise out of the group as they make $100+ on every console from day one. It's not very advanced but it's fun as hell to play.

The PS3 was the "me too" next gen console, almost a year late.

A great game is purely an opinion, just like "great" movies. I think 300 and Sin City are two of the most original and engaging movies to come out in a long time, but some people hated them.

Wii bowling is more fun to me than the slow moving Motor ZZZZZtorm. That doesnt mean I'm right, it's just an opinion.

You have somehow convinced yourself that everything you think is law. It's typical of delusional people like you Dave / Benjamin / Metfanant, blah blah blah .......

Graphics do not make a game great, experience and immersion do. If someone happens to create a hugely entertaining game with incredible graphics, it's always a huge hit. Lifelike graphics create suspension of disbelief, which is only good for certain types of games.

Wii bowling would suck (to me) if it looked like real life.

It's is the same situation with PS2 vs Xbox. Xbox was superior to the PS2 in every way, except it was late to the game. It is last gen in reverse.(except that the 360s online is actually superior in this case, unlike with the last gen)

Personally I was HIGHLY disappointed with Motorstorm whenever I got my hands on it. It looks fun up until you actually play it. Personally as of right now "IMO" nothing tops Burnout Paradise for me in the racing genre. Ratchet and Clank was ok if you are in to that sort of game. Personally I wasn't in to it. Uncharted was pretty good. Resistance was overhyped IMO.(Granted I got disgusted with it fast and sent it back, so it didn't get much of a chance) Unreal Tournament was pretty fun, but you can't really boast about that one because it is coming to the 360. COD4 is multiplatform. Haven't played the new GT, but I didn't ever like the old ones. Warhawk was somewhat enjoyable, but you can't ignore the lack of singleplayer there. Haven't played Heavenly Sword. Personally if you want to get me excited you are going to haft to do better than that. Granted I already have a PS3, but most of the games I like are multi and I like my 360s controller/online better so it takes the win for me.

Sure the PS3 has a few good games; the 360 has more. Like I've aready said before, check the top rated games on basically any videogame website for both the PS3 and 360 and you'll see the 360 has more. Yeah, I know the 360 has been out longer. So what? Sure the PS3 is going to get more good games, but the 360 is going to also.

*Dave runs away*

The 360's controller, yes... very nice. It's the most comfortable controller I've ever used, and it just feels right to me. It's the only one that I use for the PC as well (with the XBCD360 drivers... Microsoft's drivers are severely lacking in configuration options).

i'll second that just picked up mario & sonic at the olympic's and just ended about a 6hr marathon with the whole family... my arms killing me :-)

Yah and anybody that even suggest that the PS3s controller is superior because of the six-axis should be slapped. Personally I never turn the motion sensing on because it just doesn't feel right. It was more of a oops we don't have rumble so we will give you this kind of feature.

you gotta be kiddin'. the ps2 is a killer system with dedicated hardware and killer looks (slim model) whereas the orig xbox was a cheapo pc wrapped in an ugly case.

Wow! Dedicated hardware and killer looks! Was this post supposed to sound intelligent?

"Sure the PS3 has a few good games; the 360 has more."

Are you some kind of moron? the 360 has been out a year longer, of course it's gonna have more games... Jesus, some people are so thick..

Are you some kind of moron that can't get the point? We are VERY well aware that the 360 has more games because it was out a year longer. I haven't seen ANYONE say any different. The fact still stands that the 360 has more games and will likely always have more games. Sony was late to the game this time around, and then they made matters worse with using a console that is hard to learn to code for.

One simple question: So what?

The truth hurts, huh.

Even the 80GB is "Crippled" compared to the 60GB Model. (Software PS2 Compatibility instead of hardware.)
PS3 is a great alternative to watching Re-runs while the whole WGA strike is going on. Youtube videos play just fine through the browser.
The ability to watch videos from PC harddrive on the PS3 is pretty cool too. (using a media server such as TVersity)
Thank goodness the Writers guild in Japan isn't on strike. Free fan-subbed anime can be downloaded all day long.
Benjamin had a good point about the possibility of a replacement for the 80GB model.

"Even the 80GB is "Crippled" compared to the 60GB Model. (Software PS2 Compatibility instead of hardware.)"

only in your mind....the PS3 launched in Europe with support for thousands of titles from the PS2 library...and the list grows with every update

"only in your mind....the PS3 launched in Europe with support for thousands of titles from the PS2 library..."

only in your mind...hahahaha

Just another example of the retarded Sony fans always talking out of their a** with grossly exaggerated numbers. Yes, yes, the PS3 is amazing. It has sold tens of millions of units, has hundreds of exclusive titles, and the PS2 has THOUSANDS of games. I mean THOUSANDS. Hilarious.

what are you talking about??

http://www.us.playstatio...upport/CompatibleStatus

go ahead...start searching for games that you own....see how many won't work....then we can talk about how crippled the xbox 360's backwards compatibility is....hows that sound? what is MS up to now? like 30 games?...

the PS3's software emulation supported more than 1000 titles AT LAUNCH...and every firmware update since has included more titles....the 80GB PS3 uses the same emulation...

in November joystiq reported that the 360 got a boost to its backwards compatibility.....a whole 84 titles...bringing the grand total of supported games to a whopping 465 titles! including the obviously still popular titles like MVP Baseball 2003, and NASCAR Thunder 2002!!....if you're going to bash the PS3...at least be un-biased enough to remember how FEEBLE the 360's support for the xbox is....

"if you're going to bash the PS3...at least be un-biased enough to remember how FEEBLE the 360's support for the xbox is...."

The big difference being is the fact that Sony constantly touted FULL hardware based backwards compatibility. They tried to use it as a selling point and kept pointing out that the Xbox360 will only have an INFERIOR software based emulator for backwards compatibility. Then later, in typical Sony fashion, they went back on their word and removed the hardware EE chip just to save a lousy $22. Sony even went on record saying they're going to concentrate on next generation games, rather than worry about backwards compatibility of last generation games. This after blowing a lot of hot air up everyone's a** about the PS3's backwards compatibility being so superior. Why was it such a huge deal to have hardware b/c back then, but now it's no big deal? You can compare the PS3 to the Xbox360 all you want, but Microsoft never claimed it would have 100% backwards compatibility with the old Xbox, and they never tried to use backwards compatibility as a selling point.

they touted FULL hardware based emulation and delivered....the 60 and 20GB PS3's accomplished this, plain and simple...They went software with the 80GB and removed the option altogether on the 40GB...they were plain and simply business moves....the PS2 will probably end up being the greatest overall system we ever see....its sales and games vast library of games may never be reached by any other console...look at the hardware sales, it still outsells almost everything else....if Sony wants to begin focusing on the next gen and really start to phase out the PS2 then so be it...im not really sure what the big deal is here....if BC is THAT important to you....get an 80GB, or try to find a 60 or 20....the choice is yours....Sony has not announced that the 80GB will be discontinued, and if it is wether or not it will be replaced by something else....so we have to wait it out....

honestly though if you're buying a next gen console to play your old games you must have a screw loose...just keep your old console...

Sony never went back on their word....they launched a console in 2 different versions that played 98% of PS2/PS1 titles...

Just look at the hardware sell of PS2? Please separate how many of those are replacement. My PS2 was used for about 100 to 200 hours, and there is a problem with the laser pointer. Go figure how many people have their PS replaced.

3 PlayStations in the past (got tired of placing them upside down just to read discs), and am still on my first PlayStation 2 (but was only purchased recently). My brother had to replace his PS2 once already (disc read errors).

there are PS2's that are almost 10 years old and still working!....my launch PS2 works just fine....it takes a lot longer to load games than it used to but it works....yes their was a higher failure rate for sure on the PS2 than Sony would have liked, but i doubt it is any worse than the 360's RROD....

If we have to separate out the replacement PS2's then we need to seperate out all the replacements for the 30+% of 360's that have failed in less than 2 years time!....we will see how many 360's are still working in 10 years!....

MS created a console that first of all gets so hot that it causes the motherboard to warp and pull away from the GPU...i can only imagine how hot it would get inside the 360 if they were actually able to design an internal power supply! It would probably melt!!...and MS's fix for the warping mobo? extra screws to hold down the mobo and and a cheapo extra heat sink....and an extended warranty that they only did to avoid a class action lawsuit!

That's the difference though. Most of the Xbox 360 consoles were repairs under warranty, not purchased replacements. Not true for the PlayStation 2. There were well-known manufacturing defects with every hardware revision of the PS2, yet it took class-action lawsuits for them to admit and address the issues. Microsoft's actions were voluntary.

I never suggested that there weren't perfectly fine PS2 consoles out there. If 100% were defective, I'm sure that would be big news. :)

My brother's launch console (which is barely over 7 years ago, by the way, not 10) lasted until early last year, which I admit was pretty good. In comparison, my 1st-gen Sega CD add-on and launch Panasonic FZ-1 3DO work perfectly fine to this day, with zero disc read errors.

Likewise, there are millions of Xbox 360 consoles that operate perfectly... far more than the number that do have issues (some of which were found to be the result of improper handling and care of the hardware during operation).

who gives a **** about the backwards compatibility? does anyone even play the old games? why do people care so much about it? i usually move on to new stuff not backwards. if backwards compatibility was a selling point these companies would try harder.

"Sony never went back on their word...."

That made me laugh pretty hard.

"they launched a console in 2 different versions that played 98% of PS2/PS1 titles..."

That's another thing. Sony kept saying that having multiple versions of a console was a very bad thing, because it creates confusion, etc. It was a bad thing when Microsoft did it, but then Sony went ahead and did it too! Anybody starting to see a pattern here? First Sony rags on something someone else does, but then later they do the exact same thing too. When someone else does it, it's bad, but when Sony does it, it's a good thing and they do it because they loooove their customers.

Of course I'm completely wasting my breath pointing these things out to Sony fanatics who have their heads so far up their own asses they can taste saliva. Sony could send one of their arrogant execs to your house to kick you in the balls and s*** down your throat, you'd still think Sony is the greatest company in the world.

http://maddox.xmission.com/

Scroll down to the 6th or 7th article about Sony. That pretty much sums it up.

good thing the ps2 has only been out for like 7 or 8 years.

A lot of people (myself included) are more nostalgic than yourself, and prefer the classics more than most of the stuff that's out these days (much like movies and music).

That's why I keep most of the games and consoles I've ever had, and emulate the rest (especially arcade games). Older games didn't have fancy graphics and sound to push sales. It was all about fun gameplay.

well see here is the difference between MS and Sony with the multiple sku approach....when MS launched the 360....you could get the core....or premium....when sony launched the ps3 you could get the 20gb or the 60gb....the difference is that the core was gimped....it actually lacked features that would be detrimental to the performance of the console (no HDD) the 20GB had all the same features minus the card reader (no use for games) and built in wireless (again no benefit to gaming) it was still a blu ray player, and still had a standard HDD to benefit gaming...when sony introduced new sku's they phased out the older models....the 20GB went away....then the 60 was replaced by the 80....then the 40 came out to replace the 20 as the entry level unit....MS on the other hand just continues to release new sku's with various features...

and to talk about ragging on someone and then doing the same thing....how about when MS says....

nobody needs HDMI....nobody has TV's with HDMI....then what do they do? release the elite with an HDMI port (of course its a gimped HDMI that can only pass 2 channel uncompressed audio, while the PS3 can do 7.1 channel uncompressed HD audio)...

nobody needs high def movies....so then MS releases an HD-DVD add-on....hmm....

nobody NEEDS large HDD's in their system....so MS releases a console with a 120GB HDD...and they release a system that needs to use THEIR HDD....while Sony is consumer friendly and allows the use of ANY 2.5" SATA drive, and it doesn't void your warranty...

then why buy the console if your all about the classics? besides every major system has plenty of good games with good music, storyline and graphics. personally i think ps3 has the least amount of those BUT im a halo fan so i never thought of purchasing the system. on the other hand nintendo captured my eye with the originality not the graphics or the story but the gameplay. i guess its whatever floats your boat but still why buy the new system if your all about the classics? and you made it sound like the new games suck....which ive found this generation of systems to have a ton of good games.

Not at all, and I'm sorry if I did not make myself clearer on that.

The new systems are nice, and offer so much more than earlier consoles. However, if the power is obviously there to emulate older consoles and provide backward compatibility (which the PS3 has), then why remove it?

I'm a big fan of a lot of newer games, but mostly on the PC... I just still have a soft spot for the classics that I grew up on, and those consoles will not last forever.

The performance and accuracy of PS2 emulation on the PC has generally left a lot to be desired. To date, the PS3 was the only system that came the closest to being the original hardware than anything else has. They had a good thing going and then some (upscaling the graphics)... and ruined it. Among a long list of rather nice features on the console, that was one of the nicer ones, in my opinion.

They addressed the issues? That's news to me.

I like the last paragraph, "We're dating your younger, hotter sister, Wii. Even your fuglier step-sister, Xbox 360, looks hotter than you do. At least she's been around the block a few times and knows how to turn tricks. You've got nothing, and it's going to stay that way until you stop being a crabby old ****."

Really? I like this one the best:

Sony is like that psycho-ex who you had a few good times with, but was too clingy and the sex got boring. Now it's over and Sony is still stewing about it by leaving you voice mail asking for another chance and promising it "can change."

MS didn't say that you don't need HDMI; nor did they say that nobody had HDMI. What they said was that you don't need HDMI for high def....and they were right. For some reason people think that there is some huge visual difference between 1080i and 1080p. The truth is, there's not. For the average consumer, the tech advantage is only on paper.

At the time of the 360s release, HD tvs still had a fairly low penetration rate, and even then many didn't have HDMI inputs (my first HD was a 27" CRT without HDMI). MS decided that since it wasn't necessary to have HDMI for high def, and it's (at the time) low penetration, they would save a few bucks and not included it. When consumers started demanding it, they produced a console that had it.

On to the HDD issue. Once again, a 20gb hd was more than sufficient at the time of the 360s launch...the video store hadn't even been implemented yet. When it was, and it took off, MS made a larger HDD available. Complaining that it's a proprietary drive is kind of silly; considering each and every console has had proprietary hardware/software...it's the nature of the business.

To Sony's credit, they did the public a huge service by bucking the trend, and allowing the end user to swap out the HDD if they had a reason to. Don't call them consumer friendly, though; they're motivation to do this probably included the fact that people would have found a way to do this anyway (they did it with both the original Xbox and the 360). It gives them a certain amount of control over the console, while taking something away from the mod/homebrew scene.

Met, with all due respect, why is that when someone points out the flaws with a Sony console, you feel compelled to change the subject and attack MS instead? Why is it so hard to address the points as they're made, before pointing out similar flaws in the competition?

I know that this isn't indicative of the entire PS2 catalog, but the very first game that I searched (War of the Monsters) shows game-play issues...

sony must have found out some how that the cost of applying this isnt worth the benefit of the system. they arent dumb they do business for a reason but to change a system and make it uncompatible the must be some issues.

Pride...no disrespect taken, I feel that I have addressed the points, but at the same time I feel that it is a common theme here that as much as people accuse others of "blindly" supporting Sony....there are plenty of others who "blindly" hate Sony...

I just feel the need to point out the hypocracy in their arguments...They blindly hate Sony, but forget to mention that the system they blindly support is not without faults...and occasionally the faults they point out in the PS3, are points that are even WEAKER on the 360 (backwards compatibility being one of those)

I can understand your point. Personally, I have issues with all 3 of the companies:

Sony creating a console with a lot of potential that (even a year + later) they've only marginally delivered on...and in most cases, it's on the BR, not the gaming, side.

The 360's hardware issues go much deeper than just the cooling (primarily the DVD drives themselves), and they refuse to acknowledge them.

Nintendo didn't look far enough ahead, and didn't include any sort of HD output for their console. (Yeah, you can use component cables, but it's still only 480p)

They all have their strengths as well, though.

I guess what I'm trying to say is, the discussion steered towards Sony and the PS3. Maybe it's not entirely hypocrasy...in some cases it's about nothing more than the topic at hand.

Ya know, now that I think about it...I used to have to stand my PS on it's side to get it to read discs (because of a warped laser track).

One more thing that the original PS innovated...vertical orientation...LOL!

Benjamin oh Benjamin will you ever look further than you are seeing? The big cloud over you with Sony's name on it will consume you with acid rain because you aint worth s*** to them

I see benjamin is back is he still in denial? yes he is!!

I'll post stuff that's obviously Ben/Dave/Steve bait and he bite every time. It's pretty funny.

I bet no one would even know they did. No one even cares about the PS3, except for Dave.

9 Million PS3 owners would disagree with you there.

Yourself and a few trailerpark buddies with 360's is not a typical gamer cross section...

Wow, every time you post that number seems to increase by 1 million.

Do you even check first, or is that wishful thinking?

I noticed that too. I don't know whats more insulting, the things he says, or the fact that he thinks people actually believe him.

It will be 10 million by tomorrow.

which is why the wii out sold the ps3 and xbox 360?

"9 Million PS3 owners would disagree with you there."

*BZZZ* *BZZZ* *BZZZ* DANGER, DANGER, HILARITY LIMIT EXCEEDED. 9 million PS3s? Yeah, in your wet Sony dreams. The real number is nowhere NEAR that and everybody knows it. Did you take lessons from Sony execs on how to talk BS? You seem to be getting rather good at it.

Well PS3 sold 2.5 million globally in the 5 weeks over Xmas, and sales were at 6.5million before that...

Work it out.. These are also SOLD numbers, not the BS Microsoft SHIPPED numbers...

I don't own a console, so don't bash me, but his numbers seem correct:
http://www.vgchartz.com/

The only problem I have with that website is they were banned / tagged from Google for containing malicious code in thier website.

You can't trust a thing they say when they are trying plant spyware in your computer.

Plus it's Dave's favorite hangout, so you know they are all Sony shills just like him.

No one knows exactly how many units have been sold, only shipped, and that's the number he keeps pulling out of his ass.

I guess that depends on who your source is...

http://nexgenwars.com/

There seems to be a discrepancy of 1½ million.

"No one knows exactly how many units have been sold, only shipped, and that's the number he keeps pulling out of his ass."

Well, the only people who would know how many PS3s were sold are Sony, and we all know how many truth telling contests Sony has won.

Let's see...

Take the zero, divide by zero, carry the zero...

I got it! :)

Oh dang!!! lol.

"These are also SOLD numbers, not the BS Microsoft SHIPPED numbers..."

Yah right. *Rolls eyes*

i mean im an xbox owner but i also have friends outside of games like i hope most of you do. i probably know like 15 360 owners to 2 ps3 owners. and wii falls in between them both. im 26/m. its crazy how location ****s with sales it seems. or maybe its age '-'

FYI:
-It's not that much to buy a PS2 and it uses much less power.

-In fact, the 40GB PS3 uses about 2/3rds the power of the previous models (about 120Watts) after removing some chips and using some newer lower-power ones. It's also significantly quieter because of the reduced power (it was already quieter than the XBOX 360) so that's awesome especially as a BluRay player.

While 40GB is not a lot of space, at least you don't void your Warranty adding your own drive and they'll continue to drop.

The only thing that baffles me is dropping the software Backwards Compatibility. Since they already developed it for many games, there is ZERO cost to give it to the 40GB version. Or is there? I guess the PS2 is still selling well... at any rate, the 40GB PS3 was what Sony needed to do and the power/fan/price make it the logical choice in my mind, though I'd be dropping $120 pretty quick for a 160GB drive (eSATA would have been a really nice touch so we could use a 3.5" drive).

I'm still with my PC (new HD 3870 ATI), however if the Sony PS4 comes with the features I hope in a few years I might drop the PC (and Windows).

How about some Keyboard/Mouse games for the PS3 optimized for viewing on an HDTV?

OT (slightly): Let me start out by saying that I have not been very interested in the PS3 at all. I have stuck by my 360 since the first day it came out and will continue to stand by it...

Now, with that said; My wife got me the 40GB PS3 for my birthday this week. I have got to say that I am was wrong about the PS3 entirely. While the selection of games is average (at best, compared to the 360), the other features built into the unit simply blew my mind.

As photonboy said (in not so many words) is that the HD is upgradeable without voiding your warranty... I just ordered a Seagate 140GB SATAII drive for it. :-)

Other features like bluetooth, built-in WiFi AND the ability to install Linux without voiding the warranty? All I can say is that there are about 50 more things I can do with my PS3 than I can with the 360. It really shows how closed MSFT has been with the 360, which saddens me greatly.

Now, will I ditch the 360 in lieu of the PS3? Not likely, but I will say that in terms of movie watching and such, the PS3 is going to take center stage for a bit...

*waits for the flaming...*

I agree, the PS3 is a great gaming system with very little good exclusives. I've had one since launch and I only use it as a BD player.

I have played Motor Storm and the graphics are fantastic but the action is slow paced for my tastes. I like fast moving out of control racing like Burnout Revenge. Paradise is a tad slower but is way more involved. The graphics and layout of the drive anywhere city is unbelievable. I was tempted to buy the PS3 version but I have a crap load of "freinds" on XBOX Live who I already race with on Burnout Revenge.

I think I have found a great way to get some use out of my PS3 after all. I just read someone ported the MAME emulator to work with it. I still need to do some reading but I would love to use the PS3 instead of a PC.

Another cool emulation program is SNemulDS, it allows you to play SNES games on your DS provided you have a Moonshell cartridge like the R4DS, which I read about here a couple of months ago.

The R4 card works great, if you have a DS, I highly recommend picking one up.

The only bad thing about installing Linux on the PS3 is the extremely limited partitioning options. You can either have 10GB available for the PS3 operating system or 10GB available for Linux. With a 140GB hard drive it would be nice to have, say, 50GB available for Linux and the rest available for the PS3 operating system. Even worse is the fact that there's no hardware accelerated 2D or 3D graphics support available under Linux.

"I agree, the PS3 is a great gaming system with very little good exclusives."

Is that the best you can come up with?

http://en.wikipedia.org/...layStation_3-only_games

This is getting old Dave. Why don't you quit already.

truth hurt?

Didn't you just rant the other day about using wikipedia as a source?

Oh right, it's ok when YOU use it, just not anyone else.

Go home.

Aside from the sexy geek-factor attractiveness of the ability to install Linux on a PS3, what usefulness is Linux on a PS3?

I love it when everybody gangs up on this poor turd.

Pathological liars that are in loser-denial often forget what they said just a day ago and constantly contradict themselves. It's a sickness. I think this guy actually believes he is ten different people, all Sony fanboys.

Due to the PS3's low amount of RAM there's not much usefulness. The Cell processor doesn't make up for the slow speed you get with the low amount of RAM and unaccelerated graphics at all.

Thanks. I will eventually look around for some more info on the matter, but I thought you might be able to shed some light on it through first-hand experience. It's the geek in me... I'm curious, because I may want to do that someday if I find the PS3 too cheap to pass up.

Was that supposed to be impressive? Take all of the crap games out of that list and you wont have much left. It is not that big to start with.

Good games might actually come out for Linux before the ps3.

"FYI:
-It's not that much to buy a PS2 and it uses much less power."

FYI:
-It costs $129.99 at Best Buy to buy a PS2
-Sony is saving roughly $22 by removing the EE chip from the PS3
-Sony used to tout "full backward compatibility" before the PS3 came out, but now it's no longer that important
-It's obvious that Sony would prefer that you go buy a $130 PS2 and save $22 in the process, rather than give you the backward compatibility for free

No kidding. It was a move that made no sense whatsoever.

Not only did they tout full backward compatibility, but eventually added upscaling features to HD resolutions through a firmware update for those very same games. That was actually a very nice feature... one that means absolutely zilch now.

"Good games might actually come out for Linux before the ps3."

Good one. That actually made me chuckle. It's very rare that I actually laugh out loud when I read something on the internet.

I am speaking from hands on experience. I did try installing Yellowdog Linux on my PS3 but uninstalled shortly after due mainly to the unaccelerated graphics. Also, due to the low RAM performing simple tasks like starting Mozilla Firefox to browse the web take forever. You'd be better off buying a $300 PC with Windows XP or Linux instead of a PS3 for performing office productivity tasks.

Waste of money for movie watching

omg! lol, i think your right. he really does think he is 10 guys.

I don't know if the pics in this link are something you've made, or if someone else made them, but allow me to point out 3 things that are wrong with it.

1-Even though it has 2 editions, Spider-man 3 is still just one game (Oblivion can slide due to the added content in the GOTY edition).
2-Guitar Hero 3 is NOT a sports game.
3-I don't care what ESPN says...poker is not a sport!

Hollywood...If you're interested in running emulators on a console, rather than a PC; why not pick up an original Xbox, and soft-mod it (with XBMC). It'll let you install/play emulators up to the N64 (no console after that), plus it functions as a media center.

The Dreamcast is a sweet emulation console as well, if you don't care about media center capabilities. :)

Long live the Wii (grin)

I do like the Wii, I've gotten pretty good at bowling. My best score is around 280. I managed to do all 20 of the barrier lanes in the training but I can't top 624 in the progressive pin mode.

It's a lot of pure, clean fun.

By the way, if you're a 360 or PS3 fan who likes driving games, Burnout Paradise is probably the coolest one yet.

Burnout Paradise on both platforms is just plain, simple beauty... Been playing the demo for a couple of days... going to get my full version this weekend... ;-)

The Online Freeburn is cool, I can get a double barrel roll and 650+ degree flat spins with the demo. I havent got to play Paradise very much at all since I bought it but it's worth the money. The marked man events and takedown races are fun.

I only managed to get one car besides the Hunter Cavalry, I forgot the name but it looks like an El Camino from the back and an AMC Ambassador from the front.

Perhaps it's Gremlin? Hollywood_

That sounds right, I had to turn it off right after I scored a new vehicle and haven't played since.

I need a good couple of hours on a Sunday to get used to the huge map and try to remember where all the good jumps are.

I have been enjoying the heck out of Burnout Paradise. I tried it on both the 360 and PS3. Not really any difference between the 2. I got it on 360 though because that is what everyone I know has.

I think the El Camino looking one was called the Mesquite, but don't hold me to that.

I played last night, it's called the Hunter Mesquite.

If you ever want a good way to get a good drift record go down to the bottom right(I think) too the baseball stadium. You can drift in a circle forever down there lol. I got to like 2500 yards and got bored.

best buy is selling the 20gb ps3 for 299$ in 2 weeks.

If this is true, I wonder what features they'll take out of this model. No PS3 game compatibility?

Are you an idiot? That would not make it a PS3 you twat.

No wonder you ended up buying a 360, you are a complete ****wit.

Okay, I'll say it...

That's funny.

perhaps you're the idiot. (notice there wasn't a question about it :) ) he was kidding.

Looks like you're the idiot considering you can't even see that he was joking...

No sense of humor, must be a ps3 user ...

Nevermind ... the joke wasnt as funny as the reply it got anyway.

Well no sh!t. I was poking fun of them taking out PS2 compatibility. Are you really that obsessed with your PS3 that you can't take a joke about it?

Step right up folks and buy your crippled PS3!

If Best Buy was really smart, they'd drop BOTH models and be done with it. *grin*

Well. I fail to see your logic.. Out of all the consoles, the PS3 is the least "crippled".

The 360 is crippled by it's DVD drive, lack of standard HDD, horrendous RROD and disc scratching reliability issues.

The Wii is simply crippled by it's Gamecube innards.

The 40GB PS3 does all the Playstation3 stuff that all the other PS3's do, the only things that have changed, is the perhiphial stuff like PS2 compat, HDD size, USB ports and card reader slots (the latter 3 can all be added without affecting your warranty).

What the idiots at Betanews and the fanbots here never understand, and has been proven many times before, is that there will likely be a 80GB replacement, but Sony are holding off announcing it, until stock os 80GB are depleted.

Remember the claimed PS3 temporary price drop of the 60GB BS that the idiots here spouted, and when it sold out, they claimed only the 80GB would remain, totally ignoring the fact something else could (and did) come in below it.

You forgot to mention the lack of support for the widely used Super Audio CD format on the 40GB PS3. It's a shame that you have to choose between a quieter PS3 with lower power consumption on the 40GB model and Super Audio CD support on the 80GB model.

'Least "crippled"? The PS3 has the biggest thing crippled about it out of all three systems. Which is 'Games'.

Sure the PS3 as some good games for it now, but go to basically any videogame website and look at the top reviews for both the PS3 and Xbox 360 and you'll see the 360 has more of them. Not to mention more games.

Yeah, sure the PS3 may get some more good games in the future. But that doesn't mean the 360 isn't going to just because the PS3 is.

Now run along Dave.

The 360 has more games because it's been out a year longer, does not take a genius to work that out.

The Wii does not have that many good games, infact good game-wise it's far behind the PS3.

I would take Ratchet And Clank, Unchartered and Unreal Tournement 3 any day over Super Mario Galaxy, Meroid Prime and Wii Sports.

http://img221.imageshack...p?image=ps3gamesij9.jpg

--recanted because I can't read sometimes--

:)

...and my 8-track will not play MP3s. I thought it was supposed to be super-advanced. It has 8 channels... it should be able to handle 7.1 surround, right? :)

Yet both consoles are more fun and selling better than the PS3. Go figure.

The Wii is not a serious gaming machine, it's a family console. You obviously don't have anyone who likes you so the Wii would be boring for you.

We get it, your a lonely loser with no life and you have multiple personality disorder with a perverted obsession with anything Sony.

Wow, if that's everything, I have more games crammed onto my R4DS cartridge.

That's pretty sad.

Wow...if the 360 is crippled by its DVD drive, why then (according to NPD data) did it sell almost 2 to 1 over Dec. in the states? For that matter, why are DVD players outselling both HD formats exponentially week after week? Apparently this isn't the 'crippling' feature you wish it was.

If the Wii is crippled by it's Gamecube 'innards' (and you have the nerve to make trailer jokes to anyone using that word), why has it smoked the PS3 almost constantly since its release?

"...PS2 compat, HDD size, USB ports and card reader slots" is a pretty fair sized list of things that PROVE the 40 gb PS3 cannot do all of the PS3 stuff. Thanks for proving everyone else's point there, Steve.

That one little gadget is making me seriously consider getting a DS.

I was hesitant at first to get one, they took all auctions off eBay and is now against thier policy to let people sell them.

You can order one through Amazon for under $60, and they ship from NY state. I ordered a second one as the first was basically for my daughter and her pink DS. I find myself grabbing it all the time and getting into games as they are more engaging than any other handheld.

I'm buying a black onyx or silver one for myself as soon as the second R4 shows up. All you do is drag thier Moonshell program and drivers from a zip onto the MicroSD, make a few folder for music, games, and movies, then put your files in each folder.

It took about five minutes from out of the box, to playing games. If you get one, let me know and I'll give you a link to download a bunch of DS games.

For music, you can only use MP3 and not WMA and movies have to be in DPG format, but I found a free converter. Everything is upported like the WiFi games, rumble pack, etc...

The SNES emulator is very easy to set up and get games up and running too. Not every SNES game works correctly however but they fix them all the time with each new release.

Nintendo is trying to put a stop to all US sales but is not having very good luck, they will target Amazon next so get one while you can.

I also heard there will be some Wii / DS linkup in the future, I dont know exactly what that is but they say it's coming in 2008. Proably like the PSP / PS3 link.

If you have any questions you would like to ask about the R4, just let me know yountmj.

Thanks for the offer for advice. I'll be sure to do that once I get a DS.

It's against eBay's policy, but Amazon sells them? Strange. I may just end up getting one just to make sure I'm able to get one, and worry about getting the DS later.

EDIT: Seems it's no longer available on Amazon.

By the way, no help necessary for ROMs, but much appreciated. I stay fairly up-to-date on all of my collections mainly through newsgroups, but occasionally various torrent sites. However, I will gladly accept your opinion on which DS emulators you feel are the best. I'm just happy to see another emulation freak. :)

This conversation reminds me of yet another reason why I hate Sony with a passion... Lik-Sang (RIP).

"The 360 has more games because it's been out a year longer, does not take a genius to work that out."

Who's denying that? What matters is the fact that the 360 DOES have more games and will likely always have more games. I guess everyone should not care that it has more games because it had a head start?

The ps3 is crippled, its the main reason its in the last position and has been admitted by everyone ... $$$ It costs too much, and you can thank the overpriced featureless on release blu-ray format for that !

"Well. I fail to see your logic.. Out of all the consoles, the PS3 is the least "crippled"."

Back before the PS3 came out, Sony touted "full backward compatibility" at every turn and was quick to point out the Xbox360 would only have an inferior software based emulator for backward compatibility. The Sony execs would point this fact out CONSTANTLY to make it look like another selling point. Now they have the same "inferior" software emulation for which they used to rag on the Xbox360. How is that not crippled? How is that not a double standard?

...and soon, it seems that they're not even going to have software emulation anymore.

9h0s7

You are a retard & should not be on this site commenting on topics for not knowing that HDD means HARD DISK DRIVE, something that not all the 360's are supplied with compared to the PS3. Nothing to do with High Definition.

So about your Franklin monitor not supporting 32-bit coloUr........

Oh, Steve Ballmar just called and said he has a piece of grit on his nutsack, & requests that you remove it for him with you tongue.

That is so weird, I just ordered (a second) one from Amazon (through a private seller) a couple days ago. I wanted to get another one before they become impossible to find.

I'll try to find another place for you to order one, just remember, they will come from Hong Kong most likely from now on that means you won't get if for almost a month after you order it.

Isn't that the way it goes? I want one now that it seems I can't have one. :)

I appreciate the effort. I thought perhaps I had edited my comment too soon by not checking more thoroughly on Amazon... but I actually put more effort into it later last night, and came up with nothing.

No worries about the wait for shipping. That's about the same amount of time I had to wait for my KiKi Joy PS2-USB controller adapters about 7 years ago.

Here's a link that ships from California.

http://www.auctiva.com/s...mments&blogId=51384

The POS3 is crippled because its a pointless device. Dont know why you cant get that into your head, Steve.

Steve,

Why is it that for someone who loves Sony as much as you do, you constantly call Uncharted unchartered?

FFS, you've been doing that for awhile now...

lol

You would have to have that kind of an education to be a PS3 fanboy.

-.- I know what hdd is, so I missed a letter. good thing you never make mistakes. all hail!

So let's see, they only want to sell the unit with no B/C? I have quite a few PS2 games so this would piss me off (if I was a new PS3 buyer).

Happy now jagoff Dave?

Nothing has been said about there not being a replacement for the 80GB.

You claim to already have a PS3, so why does it matter anyway?

Seems the idiots here can't understand, that just because the 80GB is going, does it mean it will be just the 40GB unit left. Did they not learn anyting from making themselves look silly last time, when they falely proclaimed the 60GB price cut was only temporary.

"Seems the idiots here can't understand,"

Exactly! He was saying that for the people that don't have a PS3 yet and have PS2 games would probably be pissed that they'll only be selling the non-backwards compatible one; like he would be if he didn't have one yet.

Durrrr...

And what does an 80gb replacement have to do with the price of pantyhose in China?

It was temporary. Once the 60GB models were gone, no more price cut.

You claim to own a PS3 and thinks it's superior to every gaming system. Why are you here?

If you really believed that, you wouldn't be here trying to convince everyone it's true. You are a typical pathological liar, they all do that as well.

You are nothing but a flacid boozy clown. I bet you smoke dope and have body piercings and a bunch of tattoos. All self loathers unconsciencely mutilate thier bodies with that crap. I'm right arent I?

You are just trying to make yourself feel better about buying a crappy system. I have all, PS3, xbox 360 and wii. As a family we play the wii, I play the 360, and the ps3 sits there and waits for a good game to come out.

I will give you the fact that the ps3 has a nice blu ray player, but that is about it. Without the easy backwards compatibility, it has almost no games. Yes, the 360 came out a year sooner, but the ps3 has been out for over a year now and still has little to no games. At the one year mark for the 360, they had double the games the ps3 did and many exclusive games that people actually wanted to play.

The 360 has the best online service (even if it was down for 3 weeks), where is the ps3's downloadable movies, or tv shows. so you can watch you tube on the ps3 woopty doo, I can watch it on my phone, who cares.

Get a life Benjamin Linus and stop bothering people trying to make yourself feel better for wasting your 2 months pay on an antiquated system.

A while ago, i ran the statistics on the xb360 and Ps3. Basically comparing their game averages while they were on the market both 1 year on.

The metrics didnt lie.

In the first year of the xb360 it had something like 70 plus games while the ps3 had nearly 80 games.

But the ps3 statistically had a better first year in games that the xb360. This was down to the fact that the PS3 was getting bad ports from the xb360, BUT, they were scoring higher than many of the games that were released in the first year of the xb360s life.

As mentioned, the xb360 first proper game wasnt released until Gear was here and that was one full year later.

The ps3 had Resistance from day one. A game that actually looked and played as well as, and had many many more enemies on screen than gears did.

Take into to consideration the new Burnout game. The Ps3 has much more environment detail( geometry, not textures ) than the xb360.

Take into consideration Devil may cry4. The ps3 runs at 45-60 frames per sec, and has AA all the way thru the game where as Xb360 version, is locked at 30 frames per sec, and selectively uses AA on certain scenes.

This was proved but the guys on Beyond3d, the same guys who found the Halo3 wasnt HD but ED.

Listen to this podcast, the Burnout Devs talk about the misconceptions of multi platform developing, and youll even be surprised to hear them say " the xb360 GPU isnt more powerful, a widely used misconeption in forums"

They say that both platforms do thing differently and that makes things more even.

http://www.criteriongame...o/crashfm_15_080111.mp3

So what?

The fact still remains that the 360 has more better rated games out *now* and the PS3 probably won't be able to catch up. And just because the PS3 is going to also get some more good games, doesn't mean the 360 won't either.

let me tell you what..

my response is to the blatant ignorance that is prevalent on this forum where peeps say continuously that the ps3 has no good games, when in fact it has had a better 1st year in game scores than that of the xb360.

Now that the ps3 is entering its 2nd year, you will see the quality of the games continue to elevate, as is only evident by recent releases and forth coming releases.

So please drop the "better games now" crap.. its old and dated. I would be pretty embarrassed to own a 360 if it DIDNT have a good catalogue after been out just over a year a head of the ps3.

True, the PS3 is going to get more good games. So does that mean the 360 won't?

I never said it wouldn't, of course, you`d have to be a bloody idiot to discount the great games available and any forthcoming ones also.

My response as I have posted is to the ppl who continuously post on this site with such an immature attitude about the ps3, when in fact it was released one year behind, cost WAY WAY more than the xb360 yet has still managed to sell quite well.

The bottom line is, they're both great machines.