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Blu-ray Discs Still Outselling HD DVD

By BetaNews Staff, BetaNews

October 24, 2007, 3:07 PM

While HD DVD may be trumpeting the success of Transformers, the format is still struggling to take the lead back from rival Blu-ray. Sony's format has seen sales of 2.6 million discs from January 1 to September 30, compared with 1.4 million discs sold on HD DVD.

Home Media Research, a division of Home Media Magazine, released the figures Tuesday, which were in line with analysts expectations. Industry watchers expect HD DVD to gain some ground in the 4th quarter thanks to a move by Warner Bros. and Paramount to begin selling all movies as combo discs, which have the standard DVD on one side. Expanded special features and Web enabled content not yet found on Blu-ray titles could also help push HD DVD ahead.

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By Hocuspokus

edited Oct 25, 2007 - 7:42 PM

Er the 1080p Toshiba HD A20 is currently $280 on Amazon USA right now.

The Gen 3 1080p Toshiba HD A30 is $322.

Most HD TVs are 720p/1080i so the $198 Toshiba HD A2 is just fine for most people.

Why these cretinous fools delude themselves that most people are supposed to give a flying one about 1080p anyways is a real mystery.

.....and the HDMI XBox 360 20gb model is currently $349 (with a 2 game bundle from 29th Oct for the same price).

Once again the pathetic Sony/PS3/Blu-ray shill-troll-fanboy liars get caught out with their laughable attempts to 'advertise' for their beloved
(do they honestly think anyone listens to their proven lies without checking anymore)

.....and as for their delusions that HD DVD is just Toshiba?
More lies, pure and simple.

Maybe one day when this is all over the f*ckwits at Sony/Blu-ray marketing might - might - just realise that a large part in why they lost (again) in their attempts to foist their proprietary DRM-laden BS on people is because regular early-adopter people got mightily pissed off at being lied and condescended to by their idiot viral morons
(btw I do actually know a guy at Sony & the monster that Blu-ray.com and these types of idiot tossers has become is an embarrassment to them).

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By Steve Austin

posted Oct 25, 2007 - 12:49 PM

Hardly Suprising BluRay is killing HD DVD.

SONY PS3 = $400/500
Xbox 360 + addon = $460~650 (Xbox 0HD ~ Xbox Elite 120HD)

Best Buy Prices for Dedicated Players (Combos not included):

Blue Ray = $450~600 (8 choices) from Sony, Samsung, Panasonic, Sharp. (At Costco, Walmart - seen them for $400 from time to time)

HD-DVD = $300~500 (5 choices - actually 4) Toshiba, only.
BTW: The $300 Toshiba's DO NOT OUTPUT 1080P, so many people end up buying the $400 version.
All BR Players support 1080p.

Also, Toshiba has a 90warranty. All Players from Sony, Samsung, Panasonic, Sharp have 1 year warranties.

Pioneer is shipping their BR player in November and I think Philips will ship within the next few weeks as well.

And a $400 PS3 easily has more value than the $400 Toshiba.

You would have to be insane to buy HD DVD

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By Setian^Stalker

posted Oct 25, 2007 - 7:18 PM

I dont know anyone that would buy the xbox360 + hd-dvd addon just to play movies?

Theres a smaaaaaaal problem with the 8 choices of blu-ray players, nothing major. Just something to do with a profile.
Of course since blu-ray is nothing without ps3 its not really a issue now is it.

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By Joey Deacon

posted Oct 26, 2007 - 8:01 AM

"I dont know anyone that would buy the xbox360 + hd-dvd addon just to play movies?"

Well that's ALL it does.. You can't play games with it, you can't play SACD...

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By Setian^Stalker

posted Oct 27, 2007 - 12:33 AM

Hence why i dont know anyone that would...
God your beyond stupid sometimes

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By SGD

posted Oct 26, 2007 - 9:09 AM

SACD the been dead format I'll pass.

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By pridewalker

posted Oct 25, 2007 - 5:37 PM

"BTW: The $300 Toshiba's DO NOT OUTPUT 1080P, so many people end up buying the $400 version."

How is this an issue? Since the majority of HDTV owners don't have 1080p sets, the idea of having a model without all of the bells and whistles makes sense. This type of move only helps to get more units into homes.

"And a $400 PS3 easily has more value than the $400 Toshiba."

Maybe to you. Some of us are still waiting for a compelling reason to even turn our PS3's on. The games library is fairly lack-luster, at the moment; making it a $400 rarely used movie machine, in my house. The only movies that BR has that I've been interested in, I've imported on HD DVD instead. Furthermore, my 360 and HD DVD players have seen more usage, from the day that I picked up my PS3...hardly seems like a value to me.

Until the PS3's library of exclusive titles is actually compelling, I believe the appropriate term for it is "potential value".

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By plague201

edited Oct 25, 2007 - 6:34 PM

http://www.joystiq.com/2...3-devs-to-stay-on-board/

LOOK AT THE CUTE LITTLE PUPPY!!!

http://www.joystiq.com/2...s-games-division-double/

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By Joey Deacon

posted Oct 26, 2007 - 5:06 AM

http://www.forbes.com/2001/01/25/0125disaster.html

Sound familar?

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By plague201

posted Oct 26, 2007 - 9:59 AM

What competition did the PS2 have back then?

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By yountmj

posted Oct 26, 2007 - 8:26 AM

Ha ha ha! Very!

Except for one small detail:

Sony's initial losses on the PS2 were mainly attributed for high production failures, something everyone goes through.

Sony's losses on the PS3 are attributed to that, and the fact that hardly any developers want to program for it.

The hardware is a nightmare. If developers actually saw potential in the hardware, they would want to learn how to utilize it properly and efficiently. That hasn't seem to have happened yet, even after one year.

Commodore had a huge hit with the C=64 model, similar to Sony's PS2 eventually. That was mainly driven by 3rd-party developer support. The C=128 was leaps and bounds better than it's earlier cousins. However, it failed to garner enough enthusiasm with developers due to the overly complicated architecture (at the time, but not nearly to the degree of the PS3). It died a slow and painful death.

Heh, at least it kept backward compatibility in all models. :)

Sorry, but every company has their chance in the spotlight. Sony's has come and gone.

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By yountmj

posted Oct 26, 2007 - 1:33 AM

"With only one PS3 game (barely) cracking the NPD's top 10 software chart last month, convincing developers to build games for a complicated console that some even call "a waste of everyone's time" is no easy task. If Takahashi's info is accurate, it sounds like Sony's looking to preempt any developer exodus, hoping this season's delays aren't next year's cancellations."

That quote alone was worth the price of admission.

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By pridewalker

posted Oct 25, 2007 - 11:06 PM

"It eats money!"

The pic alone made that link will worth it...

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By SGD

edited Oct 25, 2007 - 11:01 PM

The PS3 fangirls will spin this out there ars.

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/830/830446p1.html

How can it be?

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By siryak

posted Oct 25, 2007 - 10:22 PM

$841 million loss in one quarter. Ouch! Man the life rafts because this babies going under!

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By Joey Deacon

posted Oct 26, 2007 - 8:02 AM

Drop in the ocean compared to Xbox division losses.

$8 Billion to date (6.9Billion + $1.1 billion repair bill).

It's unclear if the repair bill is a reoccuring bill or not..

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By siryak

posted Oct 26, 2007 - 8:16 AM

LMAO! Sony is losing almost a billion per quarter!!! You can bank on them passing the 360 is losses in the near future if they haven't already. The 360's losses will begin to go down now that they are turning a profit. Profitability for the PS3 looks to be a LONG ways away.

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By bobthegoat2001

posted Oct 25, 2007 - 5:41 PM

That first one reminded me when Sony said 'the next generation doesn't start until we start'. And now there begging third party developers to stay with them.

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By plague201

posted Oct 25, 2007 - 6:58 PM

It did start with them, it started going down hill.

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By pitdingo

posted Oct 25, 2007 - 2:50 PM

i think i saw some pictures of a fire sale at Walmart for $198 for HD-DVD

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By siryak

posted Oct 25, 2007 - 10:36 PM

Wow that might actually be ALMOST relevant if MS actually had anything to do with what goes on with HD-DVD. Did you happen to catch the PS3 fire sale while you were there? It is a real shame watching those losses pile up higher and higher every quarter.

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By SGD

edited Oct 25, 2007 - 3:25 PM

Pit$ingo

I saw a picture too buy 1 get one free blo-ray movies.

Besides jagoff what do you even care since you have expressed no interest in either format? Must just want to troll like you always do.

By the way I went to Best buy today they had ten yes ten wiis on the shelf so much for your uneducated prediction of shortage. I guess the only shortage is in the trailer park you live in.

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By SGD

posted Oct 25, 2007 - 1:12 PM

And the worst part for you is the HD is a finalized format. Sony could only wish to be able say the same.

Who cares how many companies make players at this point since most stores only carry the crap $ony boxes anyway.

The bad part for HD DVD is it can't play SACD, oh yeah that is another dead $ony format.

2:1 that is really killing wasn't higher before ratio before proof that HD is catching up!

How many of the machines that you talk about are even 1.1 compliant let me answer that none. Worse than a car obsolete before you even buy it. No matter how you paint crap its still crap.

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By MinuteMaid

posted Oct 25, 2007 - 1:57 PM

"And the worst part for you is the HD is a finalized format. Sony could only wish to be able say the same."

***COUGH***51GB Tripple Layer HD DVD***COUGH***

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By SGD

edited Oct 25, 2007 - 3:17 PM

Haven't you already brought this up several times and got shot down each time. Move along moron.

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By MinuteMaid

posted Oct 25, 2007 - 3:49 PM

So 51GB tripple layer does not exist right?

IT's AN UNFINALIZED SPEC...

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By Hocuspokus

posted Oct 25, 2007 - 7:32 PM

"IT's AN UNFINALIZED SPEC... "

- No, it isn't.

But you you have shown yourself to be an ignorant & certifiable moron.

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By Setian^Stalker

posted Oct 25, 2007 - 7:28 PM

I think you should read the previous threads this has been discussed with YOU....

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By SGD

posted Oct 25, 2007 - 4:20 PM

I believe that many people have gone into great detail on just this topic I guess you forget easily. I am not about to waste my time digging up treads from just a few days ago that discussed this in great detail with you.

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By Hocuspokus

edited Oct 25, 2007 - 7:33 PM

For as long as high def sales (both formats combined) are less than 3% of the total retail movie disc market the grand blow-hard claims of the Sony/PS3/Blu-ray shill-troll-fanboys are plain ludicrous idiocy.

(and when they start trying to bring the even tinier EU European, Australian or even Japanese markets into this it just gets hilarious)

Note how they love to use ratios and percentages and steer as far away from actual numbers as possible (cos actual numbers illustrate just how absurd their big claims are).

Blu-ray has 10 - 20 times the number of playback devices (there we'll call them all that there's no need to cry your eyes out about stand-alone numbers & pretend anyone has rigged the numbers against you) and yet only a shrinking 60:40 lead (and that's with a year of supposedly 'blockbuster' movies this year).

Pathetic

(typo fixed for the Sony/PS3/Blu-ray shill-troll-fanboy ludicrous pedant)

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By Steve Austin

posted Oct 25, 2007 - 12:30 PM

" even tinnier EU European"

Pathetic

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By siryak

posted Oct 25, 2007 - 10:41 PM

Oh look we have another grammar king amongst us. Do you want a sticker that says good job? I can get you one if you want it.

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By yountmj

posted Oct 25, 2007 - 12:49 PM

What's pathetic is that a typographical error is the only thing you can respond to.

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By MinuteMaid

posted Oct 25, 2007 - 1:56 PM

What's pathetic is the guy is such an ignoramus, not only can he not spell, he thinks Europe is insignificant.

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By Setian^Stalker

posted Oct 25, 2007 - 7:30 PM

At this stage, it is.... Whats your point?

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By Hocuspokus

posted Oct 25, 2007 - 7:23 PM

"he thinks Europe is insignificant"

- Go on then......tell us how many actual retail movie disc units both high def formats have shifted in EU Europe since this began.

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By bobthegoat2001

posted Oct 25, 2007 - 5:49 PM

Oooo. Trying to sound smart. Did you have to search in the thesaurus to find that word?

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By SGD

posted Oct 25, 2007 - 1:14 PM

He has no response. He has avoided that before and will contiue to do so. He is just a mindless Sony troll that can not see that there is life beyond the PS3.

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By gregmlr

posted Oct 25, 2007 - 8:25 AM

Give it time, the exclusive partnerships with Paramount and Warner Brothers haven't fully taken hold yet. Universal may be an asset as well if they can stop releasing all this crap as of the last two years.

I find the HD-DVD/Blu-ray battle the lesser of two evils. On one side you've got HD-DVD who is backed by Toshiba, Microsoft, and Intel. On the other is Blu-ray, which is backed by Sony, Panasonic, and Apple. Despite Apple being in camp Blu-ray, and Microsoft being in camp HD-DVD, Sony and Panasonic are the greater of the two evils. That's two strikes for Blu-ray right there. Sony with their questionable business practices and Panasonic with their shoddy products and customer support.

I'll enjoy having a built in HD-DVD drive on the iMac I buy in 2012.

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By yountmj

posted Oct 25, 2007 - 8:13 AM

The Current State of Blu-ray:

http://www.campaignhd.com/807_State_Of_BD.html

Older article, but still applies, since neither Sony nor the BDA have done anything to change things.

The meager 2:1 lead that Blu-ray has over HD DVD in software sales simply means the PS3 isn't being as effective as Sony hoped it would be in pushing their format over the top. That lead is diminishing almost daily.

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By Joey Deacon

posted Oct 25, 2007 - 8:29 AM

Sorry, the lead is growing every day.

HD DVD is losing ground, and none of the cheap stunts Microsoft/Toshiba have done to try and make a difference have worked.

Dumping the price is desperation still does not work.

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By mshulman

posted Oct 25, 2007 - 11:27 AM

cheap stunts?

Over the past 6 months, blu-ray has had all the press, good news..etc. Plus they've had more sales of titles and the latest buy one get one. Plus they have the PS3 which is not selling as well as expected, but still selling.

With all the positive's going for blu-ray, it still has pretty much only maintained its 2:1 lead all year. That's not a good sign for blu-ray.

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By dvferret

posted Oct 25, 2007 - 10:39 AM

Wow, I have no idea where you got that from.

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By SGD

posted Oct 25, 2007 - 8:52 AM

Blo-ray has to resort to b1g1 to get people to buy into the format. So I guess you could say that there is even a fire sale on hte disks along with the players cough PS3 cough.

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By aredo

posted Oct 25, 2007 - 7:27 AM

All these rumors of Warner Bros going HD-DVD exclusive... is Bill Gates sending "gifts" like it did with Paramount already ?
If Warner Bros CEO is as dumb as Paramount one to go against customers will to force an inferior product on people that the HD-DVD really is...

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By terminalx

posted Oct 25, 2007 - 12:15 PM

Seriously, you are a farking moron, betamax was technically superior then vhs, guess which format won?

Lets look at Sony's track record shall we?

Over the past 15 years Sony has released repeated formats that have failed.

Mini Disc
UMD
Atrac
SACD
Sony Connect
Rootkit CDs
MicroMV
SDDS
Memory Stick

Just because Sony continues to push these in their products does not make a success. Its because of these prop formats I don't use any of their products.

SD cards are used just about in every device for storage, yet most sony devices require that memory stick bs.

Go against the customers? The people who are buying these are the gadget wh***s, hell more then half the world doesn't even have a hdtv, so why would they need a hidef dvd player. There is maybe a million or 2 of these hd media players out, calling that a customer base is a joke, ps3 does not count as its been shown in multiple studies that less then 20% use it for movies.

If you want to back an unfinished format and not be able to use new features in your older player by all means go ahead but calling that a win for the customer is plain stupid. Its going to come down to price for the average person and hd-dvd has that already.

ROFL @ gifts to believe that 150 mil could sway an entire studios decision to move to a format that could fail is absolutely ludicrous, they make that amount of money on ONE movie.

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By mshulman

posted Oct 25, 2007 - 11:31 AM

What exactly is inferior about it?

I know the disc size, bitrate..etc. But in reality, you can't tell the difference between the two formats.

The only valid argument I can see is the extra space making lossless audio more likely on blu-ray titles - but I've seen plenty of articles that state (from experts) that it is very difficult (sometimes impossible) to tell the difference between lossless, the original master and even Dolby Digital Plus.

Just look at transformers - it looks and sounds excellent.

Only difference I really see between the two formats is the movie selection.

And for the record, I own over 15 titles in each format, so I have sampled plenty.

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By BeyondYourFrontDoor

posted Oct 26, 2007 - 12:47 AM

Nothing - they are both great ways to watch a movie, but people turn it into a Sony vs. Microsoft thing somehow, and then it turns into Xbox vs PS3 somehow, when Xbox doesn't even play HD-DVD. Then it gets turned into how Apple supports Blu-ray but Windows supports HD-DVD, but you can get Blu-ray and HD-DVD for PC's right now.

So basically, people here spend more time complaining about hardware they don't even own than using the hardware they do.

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By Setian^Stalker

posted Oct 25, 2007 - 9:40 AM

Yes because CEO's of very large companys are much dumber than simple people posting on a forum

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By SGD

posted Oct 25, 2007 - 8:52 AM

Sony would never pay anyone off, give me a break.

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By jjeffeory

edited Oct 25, 2007 - 1:35 AM

I own HD DVD, I avoid the combo disks like the plague. No way I'm paying more money for something I don't want.

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By Hollywood__

edited Oct 25, 2007 - 4:41 AM

So you don't like the ability to watch the movie on standard DVD players in other rooms or loan it to a friend? Good luck doing that with Blu Ray.

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By mshulman

posted Oct 25, 2007 - 11:32 AM

Ditto.

I don't understand why people brush this off so quick.

I bought 300 when it came out and never got around to watching it. While travelling to Florida, I decided I'd bring it and my wife and I watched it on the plane. Couldn't have done that if it wasn't a combo.

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By Lumbrjak

edited Oct 28, 2007 - 1:46 AM

Honestly, I never gave it much thought before I purchased my Toshiba player back in May, but now I much prefer HD DVD/DVD combo discs.

The reason is simple numbers... I own one HD DVD player and one HD TV. I own another 5 regular DVD players and SD TVs... one in each bedroom and my den. In addition, I have 3 laptops that will play DVDs, a small portable DVD player, and a player built into our minivan. It will be many years before even a majority of these players are replaced with HD versions (and why do you need HD playback on a laptop, mini player, or vehicle system anyway?).

Generally, I don't really have a great need for combo discs from Netflix... We almost always watch those discs at home on our 50" HD plasma. But for discs we purchase, we will likely watch those films multiple times, sometimes on the HD tv but often on one of our many other players. And I'm sure there are plenty of other families in our situation.

I think the nail in the Blu-ray coffin would be HD DVD/DVD combo discs at a price either equal to or less than BDs. I can't help but think this is possible... even likely. Combo discs are not much more expensive to produce... and it seems silly to pay a premium for two versions of the same property. And I can certainly sacrifice that lovely disc artwork so that I play my discs in any player I like.

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By mjm01010101

posted Oct 24, 2007 - 11:50 PM

Amazing the Fanbois that are so frikkin passionate about a circular disk. Why do you all care so much? Is it because you are early adopters and have so much money vested in the format/players? Why are you so angry and give a duck about these multi-billion dollar companies that have produced crap for entertainment for the past decade? Seriously! Get a grip on what and who you are arguing about. You change nobody's mind with all your air.

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By testman

posted Oct 25, 2007 - 5:11 AM

Apart from the bad spelling and schoolboy grammar, I completely agree with the post. Most sensible post for ages.

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By Alex Stevens

edited Oct 25, 2007 - 9:34 AM

Most intelligent post on Betanews in a long time.

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By Hollywood__

posted Oct 24, 2007 - 10:00 PM

You guys need to hear this, I think it Dave but he says his name is Jason.

http://web.utk.edu/~ascott9/SonyFanboy.mp3

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By bobthegoat2001

posted Oct 25, 2007 - 6:00 PM

"Where's the good news! AAAAAAAHHHHHHHHGGG!"

That was pretty funny! Where'd you get that?

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By Joey Deacon

posted Oct 25, 2007 - 3:02 AM

What a jackoff, games don't cost $100.

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By SGD

posted Oct 25, 2007 - 9:02 AM

No Sony will just lock them to a machine so can't trade them.

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By gregmlr

posted Oct 25, 2007 - 8:29 AM

Oh but Sony wish they did.

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By Hollywood__

edited Oct 25, 2007 - 3:22 AM

So it is you. This is how everyone pictures you actually.

Poor Dave Joey Deacon PetersonBG

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By yountmj

edited Oct 25, 2007 - 12:23 AM

Oh jeez...

Listening to that reminded me of how much I paid for Strider on the Genesis back then! LOL

Oh well... at least that game was fun.

By the way, I agree... that guy sounded much more mature than the Dave Smurfs.

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By pridewalker

posted Oct 24, 2007 - 10:48 PM

There's no way that's Dave.

That looney talked about abandoning Sony, and didn't use the word FUD once. Dave would never do something like that...

/sarcasm

Funny none the less...

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By Grazer

posted Oct 24, 2007 - 8:31 PM

I don't have a PS3 and a quick search, and I mean QUICK, didn't answer this so I'll ask here.

Are all PS3 games released on Bluray discs or DVDs? And if so, are these Bluray discs sold figures including the games? And if so, what are the figures of just movies sold?

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By Hollywood__

posted Oct 24, 2007 - 8:57 PM

All PS3 games are BD and they arent included in movie sales. I'm not sure if the free movies given away with promotional deals like "Buy a PS3 and get 5 free BD movies" are considered part of the sales numbers.

I think both sides are counting those as well.

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By Setian^Stalker

posted Oct 24, 2007 - 9:58 PM

Australian Sales figures include both sides free giveaways too. I assume it applys elseware.
After all someone paid for them :P just not you.

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By bsf

posted Oct 24, 2007 - 8:24 PM

I just bought a Blue-ray drive.
it's about 14000 yen or 130 dollars here in Japan.

Not bad.

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By yountmj

posted Oct 24, 2007 - 11:44 PM

Take the sticker off. It probably says 'HD DVD' underneath for that price.

The dead give-away is that it's a 'Blue-ray' drive. It may be compatible with 'Blu-ray' discs... with a firmware upgrade, of course. :)

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By Setian^Stalker

posted Oct 25, 2007 - 12:27 AM

Lol reminds me of something that came out awhile ago called Pop Station.... A quick glance at the box and it looked like a Psp :)

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By Setian^Stalker

posted Oct 24, 2007 - 9:58 PM

What blu-ray drive is that? I Have never seen one even close to that price in any store in japan

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By ingram091

posted Oct 24, 2007 - 8:16 PM

Gee and my $14.99 transformers DVD looks just as good on my bigscreen screen with an upscaler. hummm... So whats the benefit of HD or BR again? Oh yea more expensive, and prob will not work in older players. OK whatever. anytime both wants to die will be fine by me...

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By Hollywood__

posted Oct 24, 2007 - 8:59 PM

I agree, the difference between upscaled DVD and actual HD-DVD / BD movies is marginal but there is a difference, especially in small details.

I would advise anyone with an upscaling DVD player and a TV smaller than 55 inches to stay with S-DVD.

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By Joey Deacon

posted Oct 25, 2007 - 3:04 AM

On your crappy TV, that may be true.

If you have a decent HDTV, then you will see a massive difference between uspcaled DVD and Blu-ray.

Get a decent TV, and I don't mean a crappy projector, a plasma.

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By bobthegoat2001

posted Oct 25, 2007 - 6:04 PM

Says the guy with a 40" 720p DLP.

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By dvferret

posted Oct 25, 2007 - 10:42 AM

Yea, I have definitaly been able to tell the difference.

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By Hollywood__

edited Oct 25, 2007 - 3:48 AM

Joey, Dave, Steve, pitdingo, fernz, and whatever else you used today,

I already told you that my PIP is bigger than your entire 42" DLP. I can split my screen to show four sources at once, half of 103" is 51.5", hence it is bigger than your 42". My remote, IR extender and RS232 controller cost more than your entire entertainment center. Actually , I think I have more tied up in Lutron alone than your TV, PS3, receiver and dusty stand.

I knew you would take offense to that comment, which is precisely why I posted it. I figured you would get even madder if I suggested people stick with S-DVD instead of dumping money into two infant formats.

I can control you like a puppet with a few keystrokes.

By the way, your TV isn't even 1080p. And if you think plasma is the best picture available, no need to attend a few classes at the Imaging Science Foundation.

You would soon find out the inferior black levels and oversaturrated colors make plasmas the worst possible option for film reproduction. But you don't want to hear that, you want everyone to think your system is the best.

You can't expect quality by shopping at Best Buy. There is only one plasma available that is ISF certified with calibration built in and it's made by Runco. They cost more than your car. The 103" cost more than your house.

Thier top end projector costs as much as a Bentley Silver Spur and is the size of a coffin.

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By pridewalker

posted Oct 24, 2007 - 10:53 PM

Sorry, but I have to disagree with you here Holly...

Don't get me wrong, an upscaled DVD looks infinitely better than it does in 480p; however, I still see a big difference between S-DVD, and its HD counterpart (I'm running both over HDMI thru a 42' 1080p screen).

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By kashin

posted Oct 24, 2007 - 7:26 PM

This article should have all the Blu-Ray fanboys excited and shooting huge sticky loads into the air while high five-ing each other. I guess we won't see them trolling with the usual "oh boo-hoo, BetaRUMORS is pro-Microsoft and pro-HD-DVD and never report any good news about Sony or Blu-Ray."

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By Setian^Stalker

posted Oct 24, 2007 - 10:01 PM

Everytime betanews produces an article about their format, the blu-ray supporters forget the very next day and go back to the normal beta bashing

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By Latz !

posted Oct 24, 2007 - 8:15 PM

Ewww...

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By gregmlr

posted Oct 25, 2007 - 8:32 AM

I second that....

Coulda' done without the visual effect this morning...

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By Hollywood__

posted Oct 24, 2007 - 7:18 PM

You guys see what I mean? He just pulls stuff out of his a** to enrage everyone here who already knows better.

You will never change the mind of someone who is brainwashed and so caught up in this silly Blu Ray format.

All of this coming from a person who has no college degree and an average job that a monkey could do.

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By MinuteMaid

edited Oct 24, 2007 - 6:25 PM

Despite already having a 2:1 lead in the US, 4:1 in Europe, and 9:1 in Japan, Blu-ray is about to push even further ahead.

The cost of media manufacturing is about to drop significantly.

http://news.ecoustics.co...sages/10381/397668.html

Micheal Bray also sees the futres as being Blu:

http://www.usatoday.com/...-transformers-bay_N.htm

"It's short-sighted and it has delayed consumers' moving to HD (home video)," he says. "As a director, my critical eye is that Blu-ray is where my money is. Consumers are smart, and they are going to wait it out."

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By yountmj

posted Oct 24, 2007 - 11:38 PM

"Micheal Bray also sees the futres as being Blu:"

Funny. You... oops, I mean 'Joey Deacon', said the same thing in another thread about Transformers earlier. You know, you sure do a piss-poor job of covering your tracks:

"Seems Micheal Bray has already lost faith in Paramounts backhander based decision to back the ailing HD DVD..."

You misspelled Michael Bay's name the exact same way.

What a loser... spread your propaganda elsewhere, Smurf.

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By mshulman

posted Oct 24, 2007 - 6:57 PM

All this because of the PS3 and despite the fact that blu-ray has barely any tangible benefit over HD DVD.

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By fernz33

posted Oct 24, 2007 - 7:03 PM

Yup. All because of the PS3. But does it matter?
Oh crap... another price drop.

Now @ $399!

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By SlapShot

posted Oct 25, 2007 - 5:48 PM

"another price drop"

that wouldn't be because they're desperate or anything :)

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By siryak

posted Oct 25, 2007 - 10:50 PM

Looking at their losses for this quarter...Yah they are getting HIGHLY desperate if they are willing to take more losses than they already are.

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By pitdingo

posted Oct 24, 2007 - 6:17 PM

This should be a surprise to no one. Even with a fire sale of HD-DVD players, Blu-Ray is still crushing them.

Blu-Ray is just the better format. Just read they have 200GB discs coming which are compatible with all current players. HD-DVD can do what, 100GB, and that is not even backwards compatible.

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By SGD

posted Oct 24, 2007 - 10:56 PM

What the hell do you care you have none of the new formats. You are a nothing but a troll.

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By Hollywood__

edited Oct 24, 2007 - 9:34 PM

I love how pitdingo still claims he's not Dave. I call BS on anything he says including his fake Wii.

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By mshulman

posted Oct 24, 2007 - 6:59 PM

100GB or 200GB don't matter when talking movies.

And blu-ray has been having a BOGO sale - think that might help skew the numbers? All I see is more and more positive blu-ray news, sales on movies and it still only maintains 2:1 ration in the US.

If blu-ray is good enough, then so is HD DVD. And if HD DVD isn't good enough, then neither is blu-ray.

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By SGD

posted Oct 24, 2007 - 10:57 PM

Isn't that a fire sale giving stuff away like that?

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By AaronDobbins

posted Oct 24, 2007 - 6:40 PM

Explain to me again what on god's green earth a DVD needs 200GB for? I thought we have gone through this argument before. There are FEW disks today that need even 50GB. 200GB is just a complete waste of space.

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By yountmj

posted Oct 25, 2007 - 12:10 AM

It's for the upcoming releases that tout uncompressed video, too! :)

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By SGD

posted Oct 24, 2007 - 10:57 PM

So they can pirate more stuff.

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By Setian^Stalker

posted Oct 24, 2007 - 10:04 PM

You NEED 200gb simply because it can be done

*Waves hand across*

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By yountmj

posted Oct 24, 2007 - 6:31 PM

I see you're grabbing yet more "facts" from outofyourass.com.

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By dvferret

posted Oct 25, 2007 - 10:45 AM

Yea, I agree, that was brilliant!

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By AaronDobbins

posted Oct 25, 2007 - 9:07 AM

Man, I love that. I'm going to have to start using that one. outofyourass.com....brilliant.

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By bobthegoat2001

posted Oct 25, 2007 - 6:11 PM

It should be sandinhisvagina.com.

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By MinuteMaid

edited Oct 24, 2007 - 6:29 PM

51GB, and then only on the very latest players. All older players are resigned to playing current content.

Buying HD DVD is buying soon to be obsolete kit.

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By Hocuspokus

posted Oct 24, 2007 - 6:50 PM

"51GB, and then only on the very latest players. All older players are resigned to playing current content."

- Prove it.

"Buying HD DVD is buying soon to be obsolete kit."

- Coming from a Sony/PS3/Blu-ray shill-drone-fanboy/girl that is hilarious.

How is the profile 1.1 and profile 2.0 updates coming......any sign of them.....or the software using the specs?

Fool.

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By MinuteMaid

edited Oct 24, 2007 - 7:32 PM

Fine thanks, The Ps3 update will be here soon, and we can all watch you eat your words in public...

How's your obsolete HD DUD player?

Fool.

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By SGD

posted Oct 25, 2007 - 1:20 PM

The update will be here soon, funny that has been the comment about games and I'm still waiting.

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By dvferret

edited Oct 25, 2007 - 10:48 AM

Funny how we are not talking only about the PS3.

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By pridewalker

posted Oct 24, 2007 - 11:14 PM

Ah yes...the PS3 update. You know the one...they announced it, and people have speculated that it would give SOME of the interactive features that profile 1.1 is supposed to contain (if it ever sees the light of day). Even if people do have to eat a little crow about 1.1 and the PS3 update, how many people who own stand alone BR players are going to be pissed when they find out that their $500+ unit is made obsolete?

My 'obsolete' HD DVD player (fixed that typo for ya...oh wait, that was a failed attempt at being clever...my bad), just got done playing Silent Hill and Fantastic Four. IMO, it's worth the $3-5 price difference to import a Blu-Ray 'exclusive' on HD DVD, than it is to buy it on BR.

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By Setian^Stalker

posted Oct 24, 2007 - 7:39 PM

Again, narrow views without any concept of the bigger picture.
So, those who purchased stand alone players are screwed? How many times have I said this...

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By Hollywood__

edited Oct 24, 2007 - 9:35 PM

He's a little boy with small aspirations. BD is his entire life, unfortunately.

I know a lot of people who's lives suck so bad, they can only concentrate on something so stupid to keep them busy until they die. You can plainly see by the time stamps which name(s) he is multiposting under.

His life truly has to suck.

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By yountmj

posted Oct 24, 2007 - 11:51 PM

Not just the time stamps (though that is rather blatant). First it was Steve / Benjamin proving it, now Florida Sunshine / Joey. Look at the typo further up. It's pathetic.

Writing styles, punctuation, and grammar are a dead give-away, for those that pay attention.

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By Hollywood__

posted Oct 25, 2007 - 4:39 AM

I see everything, he knows it. He's also pissed becuase i know what he has in his budget "system" with no surrounds or center channel.

Since I know what I have and what he has it pisses him off, which is why he calls my TV "crappy". He has no clue who I am and what I do.

Just because he was dumb enough to post a dirty embarrasing picture of his equipment and bird's nest of cables, then cleaned it up and re-posted it with clean glass shelves and cables tucked underneath, he thinks he was somehow showing off and making everyone jealous.

What did that sign say in all caps that you Scotched taped to your PS3? "HOLLYWOOD__ IS A SAD LOSER?"

Go start another petition Dave, we need a good laugh. You wanted 3000 signatures, right? You got 130? Thats 4.33463% filled. I think a lot of them were you using made up names.

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By SlapShot

posted Oct 25, 2007 - 12:45 AM

yup he's just earning those paychecks

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By NULLedge

posted Oct 24, 2007 - 4:45 PM

i feel like comment spamming a stupid ill informed or stubbornly flag waving opinion to cherish whichever side my too much money not enough sense brain has pushed me towards in for an undecided victor with a feature limited, overpriced, under engineered, buzzword filled, magical device i'll rarely ever use!

Go home team go!

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